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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Kniwt on November 01, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
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A new article has details on which hosts and production companies give money to whom, plus some pointy-head analysis of why this might be:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-sto...vote-republican (http://\"http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-10-31/why-game-show-hosts-vote-republican\")
A tiny island of Reagan Republicanism in the vast sea of liberal Hollywood, television’s greatest arbiters of luck and love—including Chuck Woolery, Drew Carey, Wink Martindale, Merv Griffin, and many others—have regularly loaned their support and opened their wallets to right-wing candidates and causes, collectively donating more than $100,000 since 1998.
... “It makes sense to me that these hosts are pretty heavily Republican,” said Olaf Hoerschelmann, a professor at Indiana University, author of Rules of the Game: Quiz Shows and American Culture and perhaps the world’s leading ("only," in his words) expert on game shows. “To have the right sensibility to be a game-show host, you do have to have a belief in rugged individualism—either you make it or you’re not worth it.”
I'm somewhat hesitant to put this link here, but I'm hoping (against hope?) that any discussion will be civil.
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Ifind it hilarious that a professor at a university thinks he's an expert on game shows. I wonder if he's ever seen one.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250056\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 07:43 PM\']Ifind it hilarious that a professor at a university thinks he's an expert on game shows. I wonder if he's ever seen one.[/quote]
I've actually got his book, published in 2006. It's sort of dry as game-show books go (not unsurprisingly), but it's an interesting and competent survey of the genre. 43 pages of footnotes at the end, so at least it's extensively sourced.
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As with any generality, there are plenty of holes you could poke in the theory, but all in all, I like the observation. In addition to the names mentioned in the quote above, Pat Sajak is another noted supporter of conservative issues and causes.
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"The world's
leading only expert on game shows"? Uh-oh. When's the Steve Beverly-Olaf Hoerschelmann cage match?
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'250062\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 11:20 PM\']"The world's
leading only expert on game shows"? Uh-oh. When's the Steve Beverly-Olaf Hoerschelmann cage match?[/quote]
Oh, wow, I didn't catch that bit of bravado in the original quote. Forget Beverly, I think there are several of us right here who would take exception with him calling himself the "only" game show expert.
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If, indeed, Merv was gay, I find his presence on the list to be more than a little surprising.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'250066\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 08:45 PM\']If, indeed, Merv was gay, I find his presence on the list to be more than a little surprising.[/quote]I don't. I don't care what Merv was. In either case. I just like his game shows. Most of the time.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'250066\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 10:45 PM\']If, indeed, Merv was gay, I find his presence on the list to be more than a little surprising.[/quote]So, if you're gay, you can't be conservative? There are other issues...fiscal policy for one. Your sweeping generalization fails.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250072\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 09:44 PM\']So, if you're gay, you can't be conservative? There are other issues...fiscal policy for one. Your sweeping generalization fails.[/quote]
Yes, Mark, one can be conservative and gay if they so choose. Doesn't make it less surprising.
Fortunately, my desire to accept the weekend's teachings of Jon Stewart is winning out over my urge to post a short list of things today's GOP would rather gay people *not* be.
/like "free to marry"
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In a naive attempt to steer this back toward game shows and, at least tangentially, the original post ...
The index of Hoerschelmann's book lists exactly two references for Wink Martindale. Here's one from the chapter "What Is a Genre?" that captures the light, airy tone of the book:
Additionally, a high degree of intertextuality characterizes television, which complicates the identification of clearly defined generic bodies that are organized synchronically only. Thus, the generic history of quiz shows is always present in reruns as well as in intertextual references to previous texts, complicating a linear genre history and making genre history an active factor in the creation of meaning in an individual show. For example, Debt, a now defunct quiz show that aired on the Lifetime cable channel, which quiz show veteran Wink Martindale hosted, mines the history of quiz shows to create a new product that incorporates elements from Jeopardy!, Name that Tune, The $20,000 Pyramid, and The $64,000 Question and is therefore in a very close relationship to the history of the genre.
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[quote name=\'Kniwt\' post=\'250076\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 10:38 PM\']The $20,000 Pyramid[/quote]
Lol wut?
/am I missing something obvious?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250079\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 10:49 PM\'][quote name=\'Kniwt\' post=\'250076\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 10:38 PM\']The $20,000 Pyramid[/quote]
Lol wut?
/am I missing something obvious?[/quote]Clever/misleading category names maybe. But that's a huge stretch. Maybe the answer's in his mountain of footnotes.
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Too cheap to bring in a decent caterer. I recall reading an anecdote on here that said Nipsey left CR and ate with a Goodson/Todman crew instead.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250081\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 11:25 PM\']Too cheap to bring in a decent caterer. I recall reading an anecdote on here that said Nipsey left CR and ate with a Goodson/Todman crew instead.[/quote]Sequitur much?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250074\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 12:23 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250072\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 09:44 PM\']So, if you're gay, you can't be conservative? There are other issues...fiscal policy for one. Your sweeping generalization fails.[/quote]
Yes, Mark, one can be conservative and gay if they so choose. Doesn't make it less surprising.
Fortunately, my desire to accept the weekend's teachings of Jon Stewart is winning out over my urge to post a short list of things today's GOP would rather gay people *not* be.
/like "free to marry"
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/or how 'bout "alive"?
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Wow, I guess there's always a good time to bash Republicans? There are things to take issues with as far as the Republicans go, but to stereotype Republicans as hating gay people? That's absurd! Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"
/except for perhaps Muslim extremists
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[quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250094\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 09:58 AM\']That's absurd! Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"
/except for perhaps Muslim extremists[/quote]
Fred Phelps would like to have a word with you.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250079\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 01:49 AM\'][quote name=\'Kniwt\' post=\'250076\' date=\'Nov 1 2010, 10:38 PM\']The $20,000 Pyramid[/quote]
Lol wut?
/am I missing something obvious?[/quote]
A clock that counts down from 60? Trilons (from the first season)? I dunno.
(Why "The $20,000 Pyramid" but not "The $10,000 Pyramid" or "The $100,000 Pyramid"?)
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250072\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 12:44 AM\']So, if you're gay, you can't be conservative? There are other issues...fiscal policy for one. Your sweeping generalization fails.[/quote]
The Log Cabin Republicans (http://\"http://www.logcabin.org/\") would like to have a word with you.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'250103\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 12:23 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'250072\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 12:44 AM\']So, if you're gay, you can't be conservative? There are other issues...fiscal policy for one. Your sweeping generalization fails.[/quote]
The Log Cabin Republicans (http://\"http://www.logcabin.org/\") would like to have a word with you.
[/quote]
I admire the use of the word "log" in their name.
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[quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250094\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 08:58 AM\']Wow, I guess there's always a good time to bash Republicans? There are things to take issues with as far as the Republicans go, but to stereotype Republicans as hating gay people? That's absurd! Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"[/quote]
It is absurdly easy to come up with a rather large list of Republicans who have said hateful things about gay people... Not *all* Republicans hate gay folks, but a lot of them in power sure seem to.
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' post=\'250125\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:38 PM\'][quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250094\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 08:58 AM\']Wow, I guess there's always a good time to bash Republicans? There are things to take issues with as far as the Republicans go, but to stereotype Republicans as hating gay people? That's absurd! Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"[/quote]
It is absurdly easy to come up with a rather large list of Republicans who have said hateful things about gay people... Not *all* Republicans hate gay folks, but a lot of them in power sure seem to.
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It's really not just one side.
I've met left-leaning Democrats who hate gay people as well.
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[quote name=\'beau\' post=\'250126\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 02:52 PM\']I've met left-leaning Democrats who hate gay people as well.[/quote]
Fair point, but at least the Dems don't make it part of their campaign platform.
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What about people with whom you actually interact?
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Drew Carey just posted to Twitter:
Contrary to today's Daily Beast article I'm hardly a fan of the GOP. Just for the record.
I was kind of wondering how "libertarian" turned into "right wing" for him. Not everyone falls on the neat one-dimensional right-left binary that people like to push.
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[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'250146\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 08:06 PM\']Drew Carey just posted to Twitter:
Contrary to today's Daily Beast article I'm hardly a fan of the GOP. Just for the record.
I was kind of wondering how "libertarian" turned into "right wing" for him. Not everyone falls on the neat one-dimensional right-left binary that people like to push.
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Interesting, because that article's not the first place I've seen that has Drew down as a Republican. Not saying he is, but I'm wondering if that article is using info from other sites as a reference point.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'250147\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:08 PM\']Interesting, because that article's not the first place I've seen that has Drew down as a Republican. Not saying he is, but I'm wondering if that article is using info from other sites as a reference point.[/quote]
Well, there's a point here that I remember discussing with our dearly departed friend Mr. Zinkin, and that is this: these days, being "conservative" and being "Republican" are quickly becoming separate things.
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And being libertarian is different from being conservative or Republican.
(Don't blame me; I voted for Kristen Davis.)
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[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' post=\'250146\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:06 PM\']Drew Carey just posted to Twitter:
Contrary to today's Daily Beast article I'm hardly a fan of the GOP. Just for the record.
I was kind of wondering how "libertarian" turned into "right wing" for him. Not everyone falls on the neat one-dimensional right-left binary that people like to push.[/quote]I much prefer the Cartesian plane thing where you have a point for economic issues and one for personal issues, instead of the number line deal where you're either left-centrist-right, because that doesn't take into account all sorts of issues.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'250151\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:35 PM\'](Don't blame me; I voted for Kristen Davis.)[/quote]
I'd punch that ballot.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250153\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'250151\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:35 PM\'](Don't blame me; I voted for Kristen Davis.)[/quote]I'd punch that ballot.[/quote]You make it sound so dirty. :)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250155\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 08:53 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'250153\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'250151\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 05:35 PM\'](Don't blame me; I voted for Kristen Davis.)[/quote]I'd punch that ballot.[/quote]You make it sound so dirty. :)[/quote]
Are you new here?
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I suppose I should put in the order straight away for an "I Got Pwned By Matt Ottinger, and All I Got Was This Lousy T-shirt".
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'250101\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 09:56 AM\'][quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250094\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 09:58 AM\']That's absurd! Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"
/except for perhaps Muslim extremists[/quote]
Fred Phelps would like to have a word with you.
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Fred Phelps is a Republican? I don't recall the Republican party embracing or endorsing him.
/He's not a "Christian" either
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'250152\' date=\'Nov 2 2010, 08:39 PM\']I much prefer the Cartesian plane thing[/quote]
I feel so at home now.
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Fred Phelps would like to have a word with you.
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Fred Phelps is a Republican? I don't recall the Republican party embracing or endorsing him.
/He's not a "Christian" either
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Ol' Fred ran for the Republican nomination for governor in Kansas in, methinks, 1990. I had the assignment to interview him, when he was making a south border-to-north border walk to promote his run. He only had one foot off the deep end then.
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If, indeed, Merv was gay
Fixed for you.
Nobody is wishing that gay people would stop being "alive!"
Well there's Bubba from Arkansas:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-01/us/arka...mments?_s=PM:US (http://\"http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-01/us/arkansas.anti.gay.resignation_1_school-board-resignation-letter-comments?_s=PM:US\")
McCance used the terms "queer" and "fag" repeatedly, promised to disown his own children if they are gay and stated that he enjoys "the fact that [gay people] give each other AIDS and die."
I saw Chuck Woolery being interviewed on Mike Huckabee's talk show. When asked about his conservative leanings, Chuck expressed reservations about his future employability but went on to talk about it. I thought to myself that Chuck is one of the finest emcees around and if that's what you hire him to do, who cares about his political bent? Same with Sajak.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'250209\' date=\'Nov 3 2010, 05:05 PM\']I thought to myself that Chuck is one of the finest emcees around and if that's what you hire him to do, who cares about his political bent? Same with Sajak.[/quote]Superbly said.
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And there's the famous instance of David Duke running as a Republican back in the 80s, I think. He was and still is denounced by Republicans and the vast majority of Americans that still remember the douchebag. I suppose one could use the same logic and smear Democrats because Robert Byrd was a former Grand Kleagle in the KKK (and used the N-word a number of times on national tv). Does that make Democrats racist?
Maybe we just put the political references on hold for another 2 years or so?
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[quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250229\' date=\'Nov 3 2010, 11:23 PM\']Maybe we just put the political references on hold for another 2 years or so?[/quote]Second.
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[quote name=\'gaubster2\' post=\'250229\' date=\'Nov 4 2010, 01:23 AM\']And there's the famous instance of David Duke running as a Republican back in the 80s, I think. He was and still is denounced by Republicans and the vast majority of Americans that still remember the douchebag. I suppose one could use the same logic and smear Democrats because Robert Byrd was a former Grand Kleagle in the KKK (and used the N-word a number of times on national tv). Does that make Democrats racist?[/quote]
1991 actually, in the Louisiana gubernatorial election. George H.W. Bush publicly endorsed Edwin Edwards (a Democrat) & there were bumper stickers that said, "Vote for the crook. It matters," and "Better a lizard than a wizard."
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Modor: I couldn't quote two posts. Your point that gays can be conservative (at least fiscally) is certainly valid. Still, it's not even debatable that Democrats have been more progressive on gay rights than Republicans. I used to say that Democrats want gays to be able to do anything they want, except hold onto their money.
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'250209\' date=\'Nov 3 2010, 07:05 PM\']If, indeed, Merv was gay
Fixed for you.[/quote]
I was going to start my sentence, "Since Merv was gay," but I wanted confirmation first. The closest I could find was IMDb saying that "it's generally known." I've been burned before depending on IMDb.
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Pat Sajak (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfSY_zR6Has\") (link from his Twitter feed).
--Charlie