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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Hastin on August 16, 2010, 12:19:02 PM
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So Alex posted the full scoop about the new Millionaire over at his blog (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/millionaire-gets-facelift-in-september-new-game-new-set-new-thrills/\").
First, I'm looking forward to seeing this. I think that the format change is interesting. It's totally new, and it sounds like an interesting change up. I do like how there is still a little classic Millionaire for the top tier questions, but it's quite a change. Personally, this sounds like the most interesting season yet. I'm also glad the clock is gone in this new format. However, I don't quite get losing the Hot Seat.
However, while I'm looking forward to the change, I'm sad that the Millionaire that I've grown to love over the last 11 years is now (effectively) gone. While I know that I must accept change - it saddens me that the old milestones and format is totally changed. Oh well, at least there's still PLENTY of reruns so that I can enjoy my childhood again.
We'll see how this goes. I hope the public reaction is okay to it. Millionaire was still solid in the ratings last season, and hopefully these changes keep it on the air.
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I don't like the Hot Seat removal, either. But the accumulating money on the first 10 questions sounds very interesting.
One question, though- what happens if they lose during the first 10 Q's?
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Smells like...desperation.
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As you all know, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? is a game of definitions.
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Sounds like a neat idea for a game show....
...but it's not millionaire anymore.
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Thank goodness the newest season of UK "Millionaire" is available over at TheBox...
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They've now put out a full press release. (http://\"http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/08/16/syndicated-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-premieres-new-season-september-13/60072\")
As I usually do, I’ll take a sit-back-and-watch approach for how I feel in judging the show. Hopefully it will be able to appear straightforward and ironed out on the actual program. I find it most interesting that the difficulty level and dollar values will now be independent.
The biggest change I’m not looking forward to is actually the lack of a hot seat! :)
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I would think there are ways to freshen a set without scrapping the one iconic element of it. Couldn't they have tried, say, chaser lights? Or neon? Or video walls of swirling ominous clouds? Or Roman columns for kind of a Caesar's Palace look?
Or they could go the recent "Family Feud" route and sack the host every couple of years. Works for them.
I can imagine the show could use a face lift, but this looks like a Kenny Rogers plastic surgery to me.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'245992\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 02:29 PM\']I would think there are ways to freshen a set without scrapping the one iconic element of it. Couldn't they have tried, say, chaser lights? Or neon? Or video walls of swirling ominous clouds? Or Roman columns for kind of a Caesar's Palace look?
I can imagine the show could use a face lift, but this looks like a Kenny Rogers plastic surgery to me.[/quote]
Outside of Alex's description, have you seen it yet?
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Honestly, I don't think Joe and Jane Sixpack will notice the changes as much as we do here. The chain has been altered so many times now, but in the end, the show still offers multiple-choice questions and lifelines of some sort. I don't like the risking half your bank to walk, though.
If you really think about it, the show has been trying to keep the format fresh for a while now, and is still successful after the clock and that forced million dollar tourney from a few years ago. And honestly, the show's made plenty of radical changes over the years, i.e. removing the Fastest Finger round.
It's a bit of an odd change, but more like refreshing a format that's honestly a bit pedestrian to begin with (15 multiple-choice questions that range from $100-1 million). It's not like they're giving two contestants one row of playing cards.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'245992\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 03:29 PM\']I would think there are ways to freshen a set without scrapping the one iconic element of it. Couldn't they have tried, say, chaser lights? Or neon? Or video walls of swirling ominous clouds? Or Roman columns for kind of a Caesar's Palace look?[/quote]
Is the Wonderwall still in cold storage (or in Bob Boden's Garage)? ;)
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The one question I have that I don't see answered -- what happens if a contestant answers incorrectly during round one?
I suspect that we won't like it when "What tool is used to hammer a nail?" winds up being worth $25,000, but the general audience will enjoy it. Conversely, it won't be great TV when a contestant struggles to identify the fate of Henry VIII's third wife, only to find out that they've earned a mere $100 for the effort.
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I watch syndie Millionaire very rarely anymore (namely the season premiere). I found the clock to take too much away from the spirit of original Millionaire that it turned me off (I understand the reasons for the clock, though).
I picked up GSN a couple months back for the first time. I recorded an old Regis episode and loved it - the drama, built-in tension, solid lifelines, and Regis was good, of course. This new show doesn't even feel like the old show. The drama is gone for me. I don't know about the new rules for this season - when part of your show is labeled in a press release as "classic", you've lost it for me. I'll give it a shot, but it's probably not going to drag me back anymore.
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Here we go again. People judging the game already based on day 1 of the release. Let's just see how it is executed. I'm looking more forward to the new set than anything else. The new rules are very interesting, and is going to make games more exciting. I, for one, am excited about this. It's WAY better than Hot Seat, that's for sure.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246008\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 06:37 PM\']I suspect that we won't like it when "What tool is used to hammer a nail?" winds up being worth $25,000, but the general audience will enjoy it. Conversely, it won't be great TV when a contestant struggles to identify the fate of Henry VIII's third wife, only to find out that they've earned a mere $100 for the effort.[/quote]
That's the thing; I think the questions still pay out by level of difficulty, it's just that they're all jumbled on the money tree.
My biggest problem is that it alienates the one element of the game that really gets the contestant into "playing mode"- the first tier. Those questions are easy enough to get the player comfortable with the atmosphere. Now, they can end up with a super simple question or be frazzled from the get go- the latter of which does not set well to me...it seems kinda bush league (or as they'll call it, budget friendly). It seems like the new money tree and rules are designed to do the exact opposite of last year's. Whereas last year's encouraged players to walk away, this year's seems to encourage players to go on.
I don't mind the new lifeline- when I saw the new rules, I wasn't surprised. I like the fact that there's incentive to carry it into the top tier so you can jump questions. But why are there two of them? Couldn't they just give you one and bring back 50/50 or something- possibly giving you a second "jump" after question 5?
I'm eager to see how all of these changes play out, though- so is Millionaire going to look more like Power of 10 now? Cause that was the first image that popped in my mind when I heard "new set, no hot seat".
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246008\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:37 PM\']The one question I have that I don't see answered -- what happens if a contestant answers incorrectly during round one?[/quote]
All contestants leave with $1,000 as a consolation prize.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'246011\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:52 PM\']That's the thing; I think the questions still pay out by level of difficulty, it's just that they're all jumbled on the money tree.[/quote]
From the press release:
Now, the first question of the game could be worth $25,000 and quite possibly paired with the easiest question of the day. Conversely, contestants could end up facing a more difficult question attached to a lower dollar amount – or anything in between!
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246013\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 06:59 PM\'][quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'246011\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:52 PM\']That's the thing; I think the questions still pay out by level of difficulty, it's just that they're all jumbled on the money tree.[/quote]
From the press release:
Now, the first question of the game could be worth $25,000 and quite possibly paired with the easiest question of the day. Conversely, contestants could end up facing a more difficult question attached to a lower dollar amount – or anything in between!
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So that's what I get for not reading the press release. Oh well.
Shenanigans. Calling it.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246013\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:59 PM\']
Now, the first question of the game could be worth $25,000 and quite possibly paired with the easiest question of the day. Conversely, contestants could end up facing a more difficult question attached to a lower dollar amount – or anything in between!
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And this is why walking away will only give you 1/2 your bank, because if the 10th question is only for $100, that question will still give you your entire bank (if you choose to decide to walk after answering 10 questions correctly.)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'245990\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 01:24 PM\']I find it most interesting that the difficulty level and dollar values will now be independent.[/quote]"What has four legs, a tail, and barks?"
"Erm, dog, C, final answer."
"Dog is right for $25,000!"
or
"What is the name for the upper bound of which the mass of a white dwarf cannot exceed?"
"I guess I'll say A. Chandrasekhar's Limit. Final Answer. (sigh)."
"That's correct, you've added $300 to your bank."
That's not interesting. That's a bad scene that will unfold many times over.
(And wouldn't you know it, Scott Robinson already covered this upthread. But it is worth repeating anyhow.)
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[quote name=\'mxc0427\' post=\'246010\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 04:52 PM\']Here we go again. People judging the game already based on day 1 of the release.[/quote]You must be new here.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'245993\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 04:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'245992\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 02:29 PM\']...this looks like a Kenny Rogers plastic surgery to me.[/quote]
Outside of Alex's description, have you seen it yet?
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No, but gosh, what a vivid description! That Alex is a regular Picasso at painting a verbal picture!
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[quote name=\'mxc0427\' post=\'246012\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:58 PM\'][quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246008\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:37 PM\']The one question I have that I don't see answered -- what happens if a contestant answers incorrectly during round one?[/quote]
All contestants leave with $1,000 as a consolation prize.
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I read the press release and Buzzerblog... is that clearly stated in either of those? I would assume the player goes home with nothing, especially if they haven't answered *anything* correctly.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'246031\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 09:34 PM\']No, but gosh, what a vivid description! That Alex is a regular Picasso at painting a verbal picture![/quote]
I think you prove my point.
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New rules, new set, same problems. First off, taking away the Hot Seat is just another sign this show's in desperation mode. They may've jumped the shark when they brought in the clock. Now removing the Hot Seat means that only Ask the Audiemce & the top 4 questions are basically the "Classic" Millionaire.
Round 1 sounds interesting untill you realize the thought of risking 50% of your bank every time. That means you may leave the round with no more than $34,250? The only good thing about it is the Jump the Question lifeline. You get 2 to start with. But, what happens on question 10 & you decide to use the Jump the Question lifeline. Is that possible? I mean, if you don't like the question at that point, do you go straight to the "Classic" Millionaire tier? I don't see why having just 1 JTQ is not good enough.
As I said before, taking away the Hot Seat is a sign of desperation. The idea of more interaction is fine but do we REALLY need to remove the Hot Seat for that? Next to Phone-a-Friend, the Hot Seat was iconic to the show. Somehow, I'm not sure if I wanna see the show again(even though I don't watch it as much as I use to). Oh well.
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I think most of us have a right to turn up our nose at a format change based on the description alone. If it were reported that Jeopardy! was abruptly adding a chimpanzee on the set to select the clues by flinging poo at the monitors, my first reaction wouldn't be "Now now, let's watch an episode; it might end up working after all."
WWTBAM has been tinkering with the format excessively as it is, when you consider the clock, nixing two of the original lifelines, the faux tournament, and then the too-much-money tree. These changes have officially destroyed the show's credibility. Hard to believe that almost exactly 11 years ago, this show was so phenomenally successful, a large part of it thanks to the simplicity of the format. Now it's turning into something that would make Jay Wolpert scratch his head.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246040\' date=\'Aug 17 2010, 01:30 AM\']If it were reported that Jeopardy! was abruptly adding a chimpanzee on the set to select the clues by flinging poo at the monitors, my first reaction wouldn't be "Now now, let's watch an episode; it might end up working after all."[/quote]
Are you kidding? I would TOTALLY watch that. :)
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246040\' date=\'Aug 17 2010, 04:30 AM\']Now it's turning into something that would make Jay Wolpert scratch his head.[/quote]Funny you should mention that...
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'246037\' date=\'Aug 17 2010, 02:41 AM\'][quote name=\'mxc0427\' post=\'246012\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:58 PM\'][quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'246008\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 07:37 PM\']The one question I have that I don't see answered -- what happens if a contestant answers incorrectly during round one?[/quote]
All contestants leave with $1,000 as a consolation prize.
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I read the press release and Buzzerblog... is that clearly stated in either of those? I would assume the player goes home with nothing, especially if they haven't answered *anything* correctly.
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I work with Alex, and that's what he told me. Also, this was acknowledged by someone on another WWTBAM-themed forum (http://\"http://regisfan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hostedbymeredithvieira&action=display&thread=634&page=1\") who went to a taping.
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My first words upon reading the press release were "Are we sure Fremantle has nothing to do with this?", quickly followed by "Are we sure the show isn't trying to kill itself?"
Now, the first question of the game could be worth $25,000 and quite possibly paired with the easiest question of the day. Conversely, contestants could end up facing a more difficult question attached to a lower dollar amount – or anything in between!
Seriously, what the hell?! That's not exciting; that's completely and utterly overhauling the gameplay into a mess that promises a trainwreck (as has been explained above) and problems similar to the 50:50 in its last 1-2 seasons.
The legendary “Millionaire” Hot Seat is gone and both the contestant and host Meredith Vieira will now stand throughout the show, allowing for more personal interaction and uninhibited emotion as the contestant accumulates winnings.
This is the exact same thing Michael Davies did with his most recent Pyramid pilots, claiming it would "bring the show to its feet". Why are shows so concerned with having people stand all the time?! And with the new set you might as well oust Meredith, strap the contestant to a bed, and have the computer host the show.
[T]his upcoming year promises to be a real game changer! From the very first question, viewers will see more strategy, unpredictability, excitement and tension ... the same great [show], but with some new twists and turns that will add even more risk, reward and fun.
From the very first question, I see the money and difficulty being almost entirely irrelevant to each other, resulting in a very uneven playing field from game to game. I see high risks on low rewards (and vice versa), with lowest-common-denominator questions making some obscenely-rich while others have to forfeit half their "earnings" just to quit on a super-hard question worth $100; and I definitely see no fun in getting rid of Ask The Expert, Double Dip, and the show's centerpiece for no discernible reason...
All this said, I will watch this year -- if for no other reason than to watch a trainwreck. :-) A shame, though -- before this plethora of changes, Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? was pretty awesome.
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Does anyone here have the e-mail or phone number you have to contact to get tickets for a taping? I live in NYC and I'd like to see this out of curiosity alone. I'll report back.
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'246076\' date=\'Aug 18 2010, 08:58 AM\']Does anyone here have the e-mail or phone number you have to contact to get tickets for a taping? I live in NYC and I'd like to see this out of curiosity alone. I'll report back.[/quote]
They usually display the number on the show but I'm sure you can also go to millionairetv.com.
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'246076\' date=\'Aug 18 2010, 07:58 AM\']Does anyone here have the e-mail or phone number you have to contact to get tickets for a taping? I live in NYC and I'd like to see this out of curiosity alone. I'll report back.[/quote]
212-456-1494 or go to millionairetv.com. Source is from their facebook page.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246068\' date=\'Aug 17 2010, 06:58 PM\']
The legendary “Millionaire” Hot Seat is gone and both the contestant and host Meredith Vieira will now stand throughout the show, allowing for more personal interaction and uninhibited emotion as the contestant accumulates winnings.
This is the exact same thing Michael Davies did with his most recent Pyramid pilots, claiming it would "bring the show to its feet". Why are shows so concerned with having people stand all the time?! And with the new set you might as well oust Meredith, strap the contestant to a bed, and have the computer host the show.
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What is with your obsession with contestants sitting or standing? Does it make that much difference? Contestants on Cullen's TPiR and Fleming's J! sat. When the shows were brought back with Barker and Trebek, that was no longer the case. Both have aired in their current formats for more than 25 years.
Even though the Hot Seat is a little more iconic, making the contestants stand HAS NO EFFECT ON THE GAMEPLAY, unless your show is The Chair. As long as contestants are answering multiple-choice questions en route to winning a million bucks, then the essence of the game remains. It's an odd change to make, but I don't think it'll kill the show. If "Millionaire" survived that awful contrived tournament, then I think it'll do okay with this new change. But guess what? I don't know and neither do you or anyone else on this forum.
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Even though the Hot Seat is a little more iconic, making the contestants stand HAS NO EFFECT ON THE GAMEPLAY, unless your show is The Chair. As long as contestants are answering multiple-choice questions en route to winning a million bucks, then the essence of the game remains. It's an odd change to make, but I don't think it'll kill the show. If "Millionaire" survived that awful contrived tournament, then I think it'll do okay with this new change. But guess what? I don't know and neither do you or anyone else on this forum.
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This isn't about the effect on gameplay, but it will give the show a different look and feel, and likely not a good one.
To quote Murphy Brown when a producer decided to "make things more exciting" by having everyone stand while reading copy: What are all these people doing here standing around, they look like they're waiting for a bus; put the desk back!
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[quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'246117\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 08:31 AM\']and likely not a good one.[/quote]
And until you actually see it, you don't know.
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[quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'246117\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 11:31 AM\']This isn't about the effect on gameplay, but it will give the show a different look and feel, and likely not a good one.[/quote]
Please read my post again. It's not about the effect on gameplay, because as I said, there isn't any. The different look and feel will not be any different than the examples I gave with the new TPiR and J! in the 70s and 80s. Another example, HSq/H^2 in 2002, had their contestants stand, and it caused an uproar at ATGS. Yet, the show turned out just fine on air.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'246113\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 08:38 AM\']What is with your obsession with contestants sitting or standing?[/quote]
Must be that pathological fear of the contestants dropping trou.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'246135\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 03:42 PM\']Must be that pathological fear of the contestants dropping trou and using the one-trick ponies of all bad things must be Fremantle and making judgments before the show's actually seen.[/quote]
FTFY. Emphasis mine.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246144\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 06:05 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'246135\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 03:42 PM\']Must be that pathological fear of the contestants dropping trou and using the one-trick ponies of all bad things must be Fremantle and making judgments before the show's actually seen.[/quote]FTFY. Emphasis mine.[/quote]
A most excellent correction.
Geez, how OLD/not relevant is that "Crappy game show change = Fremantle's fault!" joke anyway?
/Hey, it's time to DOUBLE THE POINTS!!!!!!111
//That's Numberwang!
///Freakin' Studs
////YOOOOO WIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!
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I've often said that Wheel of Fortune would be better if the contestants sat. That would make the million colors of light more palatable.
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I thought that if the revival of Pyramid got the green light, the contestants and their celebrity partners should have been in bed together.
(Bob Barker, of course, would not be one of the celebrities.)
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I hereby pledge to drop trou the next time I'm standing on TV.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'246129\' date=\'Aug 19 2010, 01:35 PM\']Another example, HSq/H^2 in 2002, had their contestants stand, and it caused an uproar at ATGS. Yet, the show turned out just fine on air.[/quote]
If "just fine" means it didn't shatter the glass on your TV, yeah. But it looked pretty goofy to make the contestants stand while the host and panelists all got to sit down. It also strikes me that if your elegantly simple show has as one of its signature elements a "hot seat," you might want to keep it.
On "Wheel," they need to spin the thing, so there's a reason to stand up. On "The New Price Is Right," there was movement across the stage, so there's a reason. On "Jeopardy!" they have something to stand behind.
Maybe they will on "Millionaire," too, but if they're just going to stand on the middle of the stage, I think it's poorer TV. We don't stand around at home. You invite someone in to sit down. (Unless, say, they're going to help cook.) In Minneapolis, one station recently restaged their 6:00 news so the anchors stand there with papers in their hands. The desk they sit behind at 10:00 is in the shot. They're about five feet from it. Looks positively stupid.
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[quote name=\'chrisholland03\' post=\'246167\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 10:09 AM\']I hereby pledge to drop trou the next time I'm standing on TV.[/quote]
Hopefully it doesn't disturb the antenna.
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Just reading this for the first time today, and I must say I'm ... disappointed. I think they're trying to change the game too much. This was a phenomenon at one time for a reason. They shouldn't mess with what works.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'246193\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 04:01 PM\']This was a phenomenon at one time for a reason.[/quote]
And that reason was "nothing like it had been done before."
Guess what's happened between then and now?
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And that reason was "nothing like it had been done before."
Guess what's happened between then and now?
I understand your point but Millionaire was the original, has been on the air longer than any of the others and is still a recognizable "brand". I can understand making some changes now and then to "freshen it up a bit", but based on what I've read it hardly seems like the same game anymore.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'246196\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 04:07 PM\']I understand your point but Millionaire was the original, has been on the air longer than any of the others and is still a recognizable "brand".[/quote]
It'll still look like Millionaire. I promise.
/once again, people can't handle a little change
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246200\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 06:20 PM\']It'll still look like Millionaire. I promise.
/once again, some people can't handle a little change (especially when they haven't seen the actual changes yet)[/quote]
FTFY - not all people can't handle a little change.
/WHAT BUT I LIKED HASSELHOFF ON AMERICA'S GOT TALENT
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246201\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 04:25 PM\']FTFY - not all people can't handle a little change.[/quote]
Fair enough. :)
/WHAT BUT I LIKED HASSELHOFF ON AMERICA'S GOT TALENT
You haven't seen "irony" until you've seen Jeffrey Ross telling Hasselhoff his career is in the crapper. At least Teh Hoff can sing. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246205\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 06:54 PM\']You haven't seen "irony" until you've seen Jeffrey Ross telling Hasselhoff his career is in the crapper. At least Teh Hoff can sing. :)[/quote]
I haven't seen that part of the roast. I did, however, see Lampinelli's routine. Wow. A couple of jokes away from an Aristocrats-worthy performance (although the Hulk Hogan jokes were awesome).
ObMillionaire: I'm more curious than worried about the changes; I'll be tuning in to see how it goes, that's for sure.
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Format seems to feel a bit like DoND or the WoF Bonus Round. You don't know what you'll get for answering the question until later.
I don't mind the Jumps. When I was playing along with the WWTBAM Page-a-Day calendar some years ago, I used three passes for lifelines (couldn't pass on the last two questions). I found it fun.
I'm in the same boat with Mr. Lemon; I'm waiting to see how this goes.
--Charlie
/I'll actually miss the clock
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246200\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 04:20 PM\']/once again, people can't handle a little change[/quote]
To be fair, this is not a "little" change. This is a major alteration to the show's payout structure, as well as a major cosmetic change to the show wherein the show's most iconic set pieces - the chairs at center stage - will be no more.
I'm not suggesting that the sky is falling, but I also don't begrudge anyone feeling a little queasy about the show's direction at this point.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246215\' date=\'Aug 21 2010, 05:14 AM\']To be fair, this is not a "little" change.[/quote]
Fine. I'll FTFM:
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246200\' date=\'Aug 20 2010, 04:20 PM\']/once again, people can't handle a little change[/quote]
Better?
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I agree with the above sentiments that this is not Millionaire anymore, but that does not inherently imply the show is down the toilet. It's interesting at the very least, though I would be really tempted to ditch AtA in favor of a 3rd Jump.
I think it's ironic that a show that was considered a pioneer is now, at least to my eyes, an amalgam of UK game show tropes from the past 3-5 years.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246215\' date=\'Aug 21 2010, 05:14 AM\']I'm not suggesting that the sky is falling, but I also don't begrudge anyone feeling a little queasy about the show's direction at this point.[/quote]This is where I'm at. I really liked the first two years of the show, but understand why things like the reduction in the prize budget happened. But when you add in things like the clock, the Expert, the Tournament, the jiggering of the money, it comes off as throwing stuff against the wall to see what will get a momentary ratings bump, instead of sticking with the fundamentals. And if the fundamentals aren't doing it for you, maybe people are just tired of the show. I kept watching, because I like playing along with the questions.
Just because I'm suspicious of change doesn't mean I can't handle it.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'246250\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 05:00 PM\']it comes off as throwing stuff against the wall to see what will get a momentary ratings bump, instead of sticking with the fundamentals. And if the fundamentals aren't doing it for you, maybe people are just tired of the show.[/quote]
Which is all well and good, but if the choices come down to "well, people are tired of our show, so we should cancel it and all be unemployed" or "well, people are tired of our show, so we should make some changes that keep us on the air", the precious sanctity of the format is not going to be a major consideration.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'246251\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 02:34 PM\']Which is all well and good, but if the choices come down to "well, people are tired of our show, so we should cancel it and all be unemployed" or "well, people are tired of our show, so we should make some changes that keep us on the air", the precious sanctity of the format is not going to be a major consideration.[/quote]Granted, but who actually raised their hand at the brainstorming session and said "We should take the chairs away and make everyone stand up during gameplay!". That isn't the format, that's putting a new hat on Malibu Stacy and hoping that all of the second-graders will buy it because she has a new hat.
It is completely possible that the shuffling of the money and questions, as well as the allowing a player to pass over a question could add layers of strategy and depth to what had been up until then a fairly uncomplicated quiz game. Maybe it will be a convoluted mess and by November they'll dismiss the idea as a terrible mistake. We won't know until then.
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Somebody earlier in the thread said it pretty well, I thought. They said to the effect of "It sounds like a great game, but not Millionaire." Sure, it's not Classic Millionaire, and that's just gonna have to be accepted. If you divorce this new Millionaire from Classic Millionaire, it'll probably be a great game in its own right.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'246253\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 07:38 PM\']Somebody earlier in the thread said it pretty well, I thought. They said to the effect of "It sounds like a great game, but not Millionaire." Sure, it's not Classic Millionaire, and that's just gonna have to be accepted. If you divorce this new Millionaire from Classic Millionaire, it'll probably be a great game in its own right.[/quote]
Well played sir. It's kinda like what GSN is doing now?
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[quote name=\'cyclone45\' post=\'246254\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 06:38 PM\']It's kinda like what GSN is doing now?[/quote]Is it?
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To me, it seems that Millionaire is doing "over a weekend" (when the old season ends on Friday, and the new season begins on the following Monday) what The Price is Right did after being off the air for nearly 7 years (A major revamping of the gameplay, but the main gist of the game remained the same -- contestants still try to come close or be exact on prices, just like in the Cullen years, except now they walk around the studio doing different games -- all the while STANDING UP!!!)
Millionaire is still asking multiple-choice questions for various amounts of money (not necessarily in the exact same order) but the goal remains the same -- answer as many questions correctly as you can to reach the chance to win $1M -- all the while STANDING UP!!!
Whether they can pull this over-weekend overhaul or not remains to be seen. I just wish those in control the best, and hopefully it will ad a spark to the Millionaire franchise that will keep it on the air for a longer run while still being entertaining for both the casual and the hard-core viewers.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'246257\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 09:59 PM\']To me, it seems that Millionaire is doing "over a weekend" (when the old season ends on Friday, and the new season begins on the following Monday) what The Price is Right did after being off the air for nearly 7 years (A major revamping of the gameplay, but the main gist of the game remained the same -- contestants still try to come close or be exact on prices, just like in the Cullen years, except now they walk around the studio doing different games -- all the while STANDING UP!!!)
Millionaire is still asking multiple-choice questions for various amounts of money (not necessarily in the exact same order) but the goal remains the same -- answer as many questions correctly as you can to reach the chance to win $1M -- all the while STANDING UP!!!
Whether they can pull this over-weekend overhaul or not remains to be seen. I just wish those in control the best, and hopefully it will ad a spark to the Millionaire franchise that will keep it on the air for a longer run while still being entertaining for both the casual and the hard-core viewers.[/quote]
It's not as simple as STANDING UP!!!! vs. sitting down. TPIR, Jeopardy and others have them STANDING UP behind podiums, not just hanging out in the middle of nowhere. THAT is the issue regarding STANDING UP!!!
However, I have heard there is some sort of table/podium there, so they won't look so ridiculous there in the middle of the studio. I also heard they still have the riser where the seats were, and now that they are standing on it, it may be a good idea to get rid of that before someone slips off of it. Unless they gave it a paint job, that riser had certainly seen better days, it was looking pretty bad last year.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246215\' date=\'Aug 21 2010, 07:14 AM\']To be fair, this is not a "little" change. This is a major alteration to the show's payout structure, as well as a major cosmetic change to the show wherein the show's most iconic set pieces - the chairs at center stage - will be no more.[/quote]
My opinion - you'd be right about the hot seat going if they still had fastest finger; to me it's not as huge as it's made out to be.
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[quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'246261\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 07:37 PM\']It's not as simple as STANDING UP!!!! vs. sitting down. TPIR, Jeopardy and others have them STANDING UP behind podiums, not just hanging out in the middle of nowhere. THAT is the issue regarding STANDING UP!!![/quote]But they aren't just floating out in space; they're actually tethered to a home base, which would sort of negate your thesis.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'246265\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 11:09 PM\']But they aren't just floating out in space; they're actually tethered to a home base, which would sort of negate your thesis.[/quote]
New this fall...Zero-Gravity Millionaire!
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Seems to me this is the sort of thing that made MILLIONAIRE so different in the first place: the contestant sat on an uncomfortably high chair in the middle of an arena. Well, we're ten years out from that beginning, and so many people have seen that chair that it's become comfortable. Well, having nothing to hang on to, nothing to sit on, nothing to ground yourself...that's exactly what the show needs to keep things nerve-wracking.
Of course, if this runs for another ten years, I'm not sure what they'll do to keep things fresh: have the contestants play in the nude?
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'246268\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 09:54 AM\']have the contestants play in the nude?[/quote]
"I'd like to Double Dip."
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'246268\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 08:54 AM\']Of course, if this runs for another ten years, I'm not sure what they'll do to keep things fresh: have the contestants play in the nude?[/quote]
No, no...that's how they keep things flesh.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'246271\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 10:22 AM\'][quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'246268\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 08:54 AM\']Of course, if this runs for another ten years, I'm not sure what they'll do to keep things fresh: have the contestants play in the nude?[/quote]
No, no...that's how they keep things flesh.
[/quote]
Groan, but well played.
One thing Id like to see - air the show in HD. Or is that too radical a change. I'll give the other changes a chance and see how it plays.
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I always thought an interesting tweak they could've implemented is to have players set their own safe havens, at the start of the game, and not allow a player to back out until they either miss a question or clear the stack. Thus, if someone knows they could typically make it past the first eight questions with no trouble, they could set their first milestone at $8,000 (or $12,500, or $6,969, or whatever the eighth question would end up being worth) and work from there. And could you imagine someone setting a milestone at $500K, getting there, and having a free shot at the million?
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246293\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 06:50 PM\']I always thought an interesting tweak they could've implemented is to have players set their own safe havens, at the start of the game, and not allow a player to back out until they either miss a question or clear the stack.[/quote]I've long been an advocate for a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure game in that way, but I like the idea of removing the bail out in exchange.
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There's now a trailer (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/trailer-for-the-all-new-millionaire\") up over at BuzzerBlog.
"The money is no longer tied to the difficulty of the question."
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246293\' date=\'Aug 23 2010, 09:50 PM\']I always thought an interesting tweak they could've implemented is to have players set their own safe havens, at the start of the game, and not allow a player to back out until they either miss a question or clear the stack. Thus, if someone knows they could typically make it past the first eight questions with no trouble, they could set their first milestone at $8,000 (or $12,500, or $6,969, or whatever the eighth question would end up being worth) and work from there. And could you imagine someone setting a milestone at $500K, getting there, and having a free shot at the million?[/quote]
There's a long-running quiz in Germany called "Das Quiz mit Jorg Pilawa" ("The Quiz with Jorg Pilawa (the host)") that seems to have rules similar to this. Not being fluent in German, I don't know when the players are allowed to/must leave the show, but they definitely set their own safe havens.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'246408\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 08:36 PM\']"Das Quiz mit Jorg Pilawa" ("The Quiz with Jorg Pilawa (the host)")[/quote]
Creative title.
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Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire. While they are at it Jeopardy! can do without the buzzers, podiums or game board. Also, why does Wheel of Fortune need that pesky old wheel anyway?
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246411\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 07:44 PM\']Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire.[/quote]
Oh, for fark's sake.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'246256\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 09:58 PM\'][quote name=\'cyclone45\' post=\'246254\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 06:38 PM\']It's kinda like what GSN is doing now?[/quote]Is it?
[/quote]
It looks like Game Show Network, but it isn't GSN anymore! Hey...i know what this is! Re:GSN Y'know how Noggin ued to be one channel, but then they had The N during the day? Game Show network during the day, GSN after 5pm...Anyone?
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246411\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 09:44 PM\']Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire. While they are at it Jeopardy! can do without the buzzers, podiums or game board. Also, why does Wheel of Fortune need that pesky old wheel anyway?[/quote]
Ok:
Questions and answers: Check
"Final Answer?": Check
Money tree?: Check
Lifelines?: Check
Meredith?: Check
Contestant: Check
Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC
Just because they changed a part of the show doesn't mean the show changed. If you don't like it, don't watch.
/And I'm adding a LOL WUT too
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246450\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 09:51 PM\'][quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246411\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 09:44 PM\']Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire. While they are at it Jeopardy! can do without the buzzers, podiums or game board. Also, why does Wheel of Fortune need that pesky old wheel anyway?[/quote]
Ok:
Questions and answers: Check
"Final Answer?": Check
Money tree?: Check
Lifelines?: Check
Meredith?: Check
Contestant: Check
Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC
Just because they changed a part of the show doesn't mean the show changed. If you don't like it, don't watch.
[/quote]
Amen! I think you're one of the few sane ones left on this topic!
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246450\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 09:51 PM\']Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC[/quote]
Well don't forget that also, they might drop trou.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'246455\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 10:59 PM\'][quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246450\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 09:51 PM\']Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC[/quote]
Well don't forget that also, they might drop trou.
[/quote]
Then the show will become "Who Wants to go to Jail"
And I think I am still one of the sane ones around here (No I'm not... yes I am...)
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One thing I will say about the removal of the Hot Seat - at least it will allow Meredith to wear more skirts.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'246500\' date=\'Aug 28 2010, 07:40 AM\']One thing I will say about the removal of the Hot Seat - at least it will allow Meredith to wear more skirts.[/quote]
Or drop trou. (http://\"http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/2d384c2b-0ab4-4da7-b164-446b0ee9498a.jpg\")
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What I mean is that Meredith had to wear trousers instead of skirts in order to avoid a "Basic Instinct" shot.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'246521\' date=\'Aug 29 2010, 01:46 PM\']What I mean is that Meredith had to wear trousers instead of skirts in order to avoid a "Basic Instinct" shot.[/quote]
Alternately, she could keep her legs together.
/Also could stand to take that advice (http://\"http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/df968c669231080f5fa2d6bb57973eeb.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'246521\' date=\'Aug 29 2010, 03:46 PM\']What I mean is that Meredith had to wear trousers instead of skirts in order to avoid a "Basic Instinct" shot.[/quote]
Hey man, keep your fetishes to yourself.
/Game Show Fetishes. Great topic for Today Tonight. Suggest it.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246450\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 09:51 PM\'][quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246411\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 09:44 PM\']Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire. While they are at it Jeopardy! can do without the buzzers, podiums or game board. Also, why does Wheel of Fortune need that pesky old wheel anyway?[/quote]
Ok:
Questions and answers: Check
"Final Answer?": Check
Money tree?: Check
Lifelines?: Check
Meredith?: Check
Contestant: Check
Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC
Just because they changed a part of the show doesn't mean the show changed. If you don't like it, don't watch.
/And I'm adding a LOL WUT too
[/quote]
With the exception of the term "Final Answer?", there is absolutely nothing the same from the original version of the show back in August, 1999.
Questions and answers: Check - different difficulty level
"Final Answer?": Check - I will throw you that bone
Money tree?: Check - Money tree is different
Lifelines?: Check - With the exception of ATA those are different
Meredith?: Check - She is not Regis
Contestant: Check - NYC actor wannabes are the bulk of those chosen for this show now, long gone is the phone game
Different way of handling the first and second tier?: OMG PANIC - Yeah ok..... I am breaking out into hives as we speak. BTW, when the freak did I panic in that post? It means it is a different show. I mearly stated my opinion that it is NOT the same show that I fell in love with in 1999. It is not "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." It is not a bad sounding show, but it is not the same show.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246416\' date=\'Aug 26 2010, 12:50 AM\'][quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246411\' date=\'Aug 25 2010, 07:44 PM\']Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire.[/quote]
Oh, for fark's sake.
[/quote]
Who is fark and why are we saking him? ;)
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246530\' date=\'Aug 29 2010, 10:40 PM\']Questions and answers: Check - different difficulty level[/quote]
Do you know that based off of any shows for the new season?
Money tree?: Check - Money tree is different
But there's a money tree, right? There were changes to the tree when Super Millionaire hit. END OF THE WORLD
Lifelines?: Check - With the exception of ATA those are different
But there are lifelines, right?
Meredith?: Check - She is not Regis
And? At least she throws some Tarrant into the mix, making the contestant sweat on an answer sometimes.
Contestant: Check - NYC actor wannabes are the bulk of those chosen for this show now, long gone is the phone game
Uh, sure.
BTW, when the freak did I panic in that post? It means it is a different show. I mearly merely stated my opinion that it is NOT the same show that I fell in love with in 1999. It is not "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." It is not a bad sounding show, but it is not the same show. [/b]
Ok, you said:
Bottom line is that this is not the Millionaire we knew anymore. Whatever it is sounds like an ok gameshow in itself but make no mistake, this is not Who Wants to be a Millionaire. While they are at it Jeopardy! can do without the buzzers, podiums or game board. Also, why does Wheel of Fortune need that pesky old wheel anyway?
When you are comparing the change of:
*Money Tree
*No hot seat
*Lifelines (especially when they've changed before)
especially when you haven't seen the show yet to taking away the wheel from WoF and the buzzers, etc. from J!, you're overreacting. Is it a different format than what's been done? You bet. You win the point there. But it's still Millionaire. Last time I checked, they're still trying to get people to win a million dollars - hence the name.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246533\' date=\'Aug 29 2010, 08:57 PM\']especially when you haven't seen the show yet to taking away the wheel from WoF and the buzzers, etc. from J!, you're overreacting. Is it a different format than what's been done? You bet. You win the point there. But it's still Millionaire. Last time I checked, they're still trying to get people to win a million dollars - hence the name.[/quote]
One could argue that they've been trying harder to prevent people from winning a million dollars (tournament notwithstanding) whilst still being able to advertise the top prize, but that's another argument for another day.
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You can turn an apple into a cherry if you want TeppanYaki, but my opinion still stands. It is not the same show.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246574\' date=\'Aug 30 2010, 11:35 PM\']but my opinion still stands.[/quote]
Not on much, though.
/Thought the changes to 5th Grader were interesting, but not interesting enough for me to start watching
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246574\' date=\'Aug 30 2010, 10:35 PM\']You can turn an apple into a cherry if you want TeppanYaki, but my opinion still stands. It is not the same show.[/quote]
Fine. Don't watch it then, geez.
/You will anyway though.
//With posts/threads "Anyone saw what happened on Millionaire today?"
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To me it doesn't matter what changes they make, as long as the top prize is still $1Million.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'246579\' date=\'Aug 31 2010, 12:45 AM\']To me it doesn't matter what changes they make, as long as the top prize is still $1Million.[/quote]
So, sooooo tempted to pull a Reductio Ad Absurdum on this...
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246580\' date=\'Aug 31 2010, 02:53 AM\'][quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'246579\' date=\'Aug 31 2010, 12:45 AM\']To me it doesn't matter what changes they make, as long as the top prize is still $1Million.[/quote]
So, sooooo tempted to pull a Reductio Ad Absurdum on this...
[/quote]
Nah. Just offer him a pony.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246574\' date=\'Aug 30 2010, 10:35 PM\']You can turn an apple into a cherry if you want TeppanYaki, but my opinion still stands. It is not the same show.[/quote]
I'm not against you having an opinion whether it's different or not - but when your comparisons aren't the best plus you're basing it on speculation without seeing the show - I'm going to call you on it.
Bring this up AFTER the show airs and the debate could be very different.
/Probably won't, who am I kidding
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'246629\' date=\'Aug 31 2010, 07:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'246574\' date=\'Aug 30 2010, 10:35 PM\']You can turn an apple into a cherry if you want TeppanYaki, but my opinion still stands. It is not the same show.[/quote]
I'm not against you having an opinion whether it's different or not - but when your comparisons aren't the best plus you're basing it on speculation without seeing the show - I'm going to call you on it.
Bring this up AFTER the show airs and the debate could be very different.
/Probably won't, who am I kidding
[/quote]
I am not going to continue this pissing match, I have said my peace.
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Millionaire (http://\"http://www.dadt.com/millionaire>http://www.dadt.com/millionaire</a>"\") has a re-vamped site up, which includes the listing of the new official rules, plus the coolest feature, an online game which lets you play and get used to the new format. How cool (and smart) is that? It's a good deal of fun.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'246701\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 12:16 PM\']Millionaire (http://\"http://www.dadt.com/millionaire\") has a re-vamped site up, which includes the listing of the new official rules, plus the coolest feature, an online game which lets you play and get used to the new format. How cool (and smart) is that? It's a good deal of fun.[/quote]
FTLFY.
/looks like they have new music too!
//that ought to wad some panties
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Fixed it above too.
By the way, it should be mentioned that it's not like the game has 500 questions you can cycle through. You'll be lucky if you can play two games without a repeat. Its main purpose is a demonstration of the new format, not a "I'm bored, let's play this" game.
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Wow, that was actually quite fun.
Indeed, my first question was a toughie for a low amount, followed by a softball for a biggie. Adds a fun bit of unpredictability to the game.
Not to spoil it, but the walkaway rule is actually rather interesting, especially if you've built a big bank in a hurry.
Also, as someone who loves oddball amounts, I like the fact the first stage grand total could be $68,600.
Overall, I think Millionaire's gonna be just fine.
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It's also the end of an era in that there are no more Llamas- you get $1,000 if you miss one of the first 10 questions.
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I really liked it. I hope they can beef this up with more questions as the season progresses, but I won't hold my breath. I only wish the new home game editions could reflect it. I'll be showing this to the fairweather WWTBAM fans in my midst and see how they respond.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'246707\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 04:55 PM\']I only wish the new home game editions could reflect it.[/quote]Yeah. Like I mentioned in an earlier thread, Ludia's PC game will only be accurate for a week; the Wii and DS games will already be outdated by the time they come out.
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After playing the new game, I really like the new format. I think it's got just 2 weak things:
1. Two of the same Lifeline - I don't know why this bothers me, but it does. Maybe instead of a second "Skip the Question", they could have had "Show the Value" or something.
2. Music - I'm gonna miss that classic Millionaire music. This music is good, and contains the same feel, so it's not that big of a bummer.
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'246713\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 05:31 PM\']After playing the new game, I really like the new format. I think it's got just 2 weak things:
1. Two of the same Lifeline - I don't know why this bothers me, but it does. Maybe instead of a second "Skip the Question", they could have had "Show the Value" or something.[/quote]
That was odd to me too. Almost felt like something was missing. I like the "Jump", but would rather see one of the Jumps replaced with Ask the Expert/Phone-a-Friend.
Still not 100% sold on the random dollar values assigned to random difficulty, but I had a lot of fun playing the game. Actually seems like a pretty fresh change...
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That's a lot of fun! Adds some variety. The music is pretty good too. I'm ready for the new season! :)
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I am a huge fan of the new music--ESPECIALLY the new Explain The Rules cue.
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The double jumps definitely had me feeling the weird math, once I allowed myself to pretend what I was playing actually mattered. Had my two jumps left and knew the $100,000 question. Thought I knew the next one too, but didn't risk it since I knew I could use both my jumps and get a free look at the last question, and risk $75k of mine versus $900k of theirs (more like $500k given it's partially an annuity) on a blind guess.
I don't know if the new game will be better or worse, but it's all kinds of fun for utilitarian odds.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'246717\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 03:06 PM\']I am a huge fan of the new music--ESPECIALLY the new Explain The Rules cue.[/quote]
Yea, I like this cue. I'm also a fan of the correct answer cue, I like how there's a little more to the sting for each different dollar amount.
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I'm extremely optimistic for this new format now. I can't wait to see what happens on the 13th.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'246707\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 04:55 PM\']I really liked it. I hope they can beef this up with more questions as the season progresses, but I won't hold my breath. I only wish the new home game editions could reflect it.
-Jason[/quote]
Yeah, I like the new format, too! It's much better than I thought it was going to be!
When you mention "home games," I really wish they would come out with a new box game--not just video, iPhone, PC and online games!
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Using the same lifelines and answering the same way each time on repeat questions, I won $29,300; $1,000; and $250,000 on my first three playings. That last number is nowhere near what I usually win when I play along from home, so it will be interesting to see if the contestants fare better this season.
I'm not sure where the claims of "more strategy" come from. Since the question values were all a big mystery, my strategy was simply "use a lifeline if you don't know." The only change in my playing strategy was that I realized I could save Ask the Audience for any point in the first tier, rather than usually using it first.
In one of my games, the easiest question in the stack wound up being worth $25,000, and I didn't feel the elation I think they expected me to. As a contestant, I was glad to have banked the big one, but as a viewer, it felt like it wasn't earned.
The other thing that kept throwing me (both as contestant and when I play along from home) is because the question difficulties are randomized, I never knew whether I was out-thinking myself on an answer. It was also jarring when an easy question followed one that I had to jump. I'm wondering what effect it would have on the gameplay if the questions were presented in order of difficulty, but the dollar amounts were still randomized. It just feels more natural to play questions in increasing order of difficulty.
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'246718\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 06:07 PM\']The double jumps definitely had me feeling the weird math, once I allowed myself to pretend what I was playing actually mattered. Had my two jumps left and knew the $100,000 question. Thought I knew the next one too, but didn't risk it since I knew I could use both my jumps and get a free look at the last question, and risk $75k of mine versus $900k of theirs (more like $500k given it's partially an annuity) on a blind guess.
I don't know if the new game will be better or worse, but it's all kinds of fun for utilitarian odds.[/quote]
I don't see how skipping those is a free pass and lower risk of your own money.
If you know the $250K or $500K, by skipping those, you automatically throw that money away when you don't know the answer to the $1m question, and that means you gave up more money than you were trying to save. Yeah, the goal is to win the $1m, but if you're playing like the money matters, then you should answer each question you fully know the answer to.
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[quote name=\'gameshowcrazy\' post=\'246730\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 05:52 PM\']If you know the $250K or $500K, by skipping those, you automatically throw that money away when you don't know the answer to the $1m question, and that means you gave up more money than you were trying to save.[/quote]
I am going to guess that Gene is very aware that if you are actually playing for real money, and you know the answer to one of those questions cold, you don't skip it. All he's saying is that it's a lot more tempting to take a guess on the final question when you only stand to lose $75K from being wrong as opposed to $475K.
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[quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'246726\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 06:40 PM\']When you mention "home games," I really wish they would come out with a new box game--not just video, iPhone, PC and online games![/quote]
I like the idea of a new box game....too bad they don't fit into a company's bottom line.
LOVE the new Explain the Rules Cue....the theme and right answer cue sound a little like "stereotypical million dollar game show", but they're better than most. I have to say though....I'm gonna miss the monk chant music/melody in the first tier.
Something new from the Tickets section of the website:
At the end of certain episodes, where time permits, an audience member may be selected to play one question on the air for the chance to win $1,000.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'246736\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 07:15 PM\']....the theme and right answer cue sound a little like "stereotypical million dollar game show"[/quote]
Imagine that.
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From the official rules...
Non-cash prizes
From time to time, in its sole discretion, the Producer may supplement one of the cash prize dollar values with a non-cash prize. If a Contestant correctly answers a question with a non-cash prize attached, the money is added to the Contestant's Bank, and they also receive the non-cash prize. Any non-cash prize earned by the Contestant would be theirs to keep, and would not be forfeited in the event the Contestant answers a subsequent question incorrectly. The money added to the Contestant's Bank would be treated like any other money in the Bank. An incorrect answer to a question with a non-cash prize attached would be treated the same as any other question, as described in these rules.
I now think that they've made these rules up during a kegger.
/Based on the randomized amounts, the $500K question will have a bonus prize of a can of green beans.
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[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'246756\' date=\'Sep 2 2010, 09:28 PM\']I now think that they've made these rules up during a kegger.[/quote]I don't. I think they're going to move the Netflix subscription and CVS gift card to the game, instead of being awarded for being able to climb in the chair.
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[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'246756\' date=\'Sep 3 2010, 12:28 AM\']From the official rules...
Non-cash prizes
From time to time, in its sole discretion, the Producer may supplement one of the cash prize dollar values with a non-cash prize. If a Contestant correctly answers a question with a non-cash prize attached, the money is added to the Contestant's Bank, and they also receive the non-cash prize. Any non-cash prize earned by the Contestant would be theirs to keep, and would not be forfeited in the event the Contestant answers a subsequent question incorrectly. The money added to the Contestant's Bank would be treated like any other money in the Bank. An incorrect answer to a question with a non-cash prize attached would be treated the same as any other question, as described in these rules.
I now think that they've made these rules up during a kegger.
[/quote]
What's wrong with that rule? Nice little incentive that makes for a decent consolation. "Once you buy a prize it's yours to keep" and such...
I'm sure it wouldn't go beyond the value of a $1,000 question.
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It was just a Bit-O-Humor utilizing the remote chance of a juxtaposition of a high-valued questions with a low-value bonus prize.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'246761\' date=\'Sep 3 2010, 12:40 AM\'][quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'246756\' date=\'Sep 3 2010, 12:28 AM\']From the official rules...
Non-cash prizes
From time to time, in its sole discretion, the Producer may supplement one of the cash prize dollar values with a non-cash prize. If a Contestant correctly answers a question with a non-cash prize attached, the money is added to the Contestant's Bank, and they also receive the non-cash prize. Any non-cash prize earned by the Contestant would be theirs to keep, and would not be forfeited in the event the Contestant answers a subsequent question incorrectly. The money added to the Contestant's Bank would be treated like any other money in the Bank. An incorrect answer to a question with a non-cash prize attached would be treated the same as any other question, as described in these rules.
I now think that they've made these rules up during a kegger.
[/quote]
What's wrong with that rule? Nice little incentive that makes for a decent consolation. "Once you buy a prize it's yours to keep" and such...
I'm sure it wouldn't go beyond the value of a $1,000 question.
[/quote]
This simply sounds like they are going to have sponsored questions with extra prizes that the contestant may keep if they don't happen to walk away--not that I expect it, but it would open up the possibility to giving away a car.
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Afther playing the game a few times, I am starting to like the new changes. However, the game takes away all of your skips at the $1,000,000. It feels like cheating the contestant because he or she has known the answers to the questions. Rather than taking away lifelines, the show should change the skip to another lifeline to reward the contestant.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'246810\' date=\'Sep 3 2010, 08:09 PM\']It feels like cheating the contestant because he or she has known the answers to the questions.[/quote]
Not hardly. If you answer every question, your reward is the ability to walk at the highest possible level each time you have the opportunity to do so. I'd say that being able to quit the game with $500K in your pocket is plenty reward enough.
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Under the old system, if you made it to the million dollar question with any lifelines, you can actually use it to aid you. Under the new system, if you reach the million dollar question with any remaining skips, what good will they do you. Yes, getting to chance to walk with $500,000 is a reward, but under the old system if you didn't know, you had the chance of getting extra info to maybe answer it correctly. Now, we have the chance for a lifeline to be completely useless.
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I played the new version of the game online at the Millionaire page. You can test drive the game for yourself, with the new rules, before it airs on Sept. 13. It's pretty cool. But it really is a different feel, and I found this a bit harder than other Millionaire games, like the iPhone app. Which I've won like ten times!
Who Wants To Be a Millionaire online game (http://\"http://www.dadt.com/millionaire/index.html\")
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Yes, you lose them. But how well did Double-Dip or ATE (or PAF for that matter) get used on the 1M. Q?
Heck, Ken Basin even had ATA when he hit a Million, and that didn't help him.
Yes, they we're there - but they were essentially useless.
I'd be even willing to say that ability to skip a high-level question if I don't know it is reward enough.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'246818\' date=\'Sep 3 2010, 09:56 PM\']Now, we have the chance for a lifeline to be completely useless.[/quote]
If you insist on beating this drum after what I already told you, then a) I'm not at all surprised, and b) there's no point in continuing this discussion.
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Wait a second: a miss on the Final Four resets your bank to $25,000? Is that an actual game rule or was that an accidental holdover from the previous version of the online game?
Because if it's the former, the game format is officially in the Tobinworld category.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246830\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 07:17 AM\']Wait a second: a miss on the Final Four resets your bank to $25,000? Is that an actual game rule or was that an accidental holdover from the previous version of the online game?
Because if it's the former, the game format is officially in the Tobinworld category.[/quote]
A miss on the Final Four sets you back to $25,000.
Walking away before answering a single Final Four question correctly nets you your entire Round 1 bank (so if you use a jump in Round 2, the question you jump doesn't become your new total.)
Walking away after answering a question right in The Final Four is like Classic Millionaire- you get the dollar value of your last correct question.
I think your bank should be safe upon entering the Classic Millionsire stage, but I guess this really is no different than answering the $100k question in previous seasons- you can walk with something more than $25k, make $100k, or miss and go back to $25k.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'246833\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 10:39 AM\'][quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246830\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 07:17 AM\']Wait a second: a miss on the Final Four resets your bank to $25,000? Is that an actual game rule or was that an accidental holdover from the previous version of the online game?
Because if it's the former, the game format is officially in the Tobinworld category.[/quote]
A miss on the Final Four sets you back to $25,000.
Walking away before answering a single Final Four question correctly nets you your entire Round 1 bank (so if you use a jump in Round 2, the question you jump doesn't become your new total.)
Walking away after answering a question right in The Final Four is like Classic Millionaire- you get the dollar value of your last correct question.
I think your bank should be safe upon entering the Classic Millionsire stage, but I guess this really is no different than answering the $100k question in previous seasons- you can walk with something more than $25k, make $100k, or miss and go back to $25k.
[/quote]
I think that's the price of not having to answer a $50K question. You can't keep your bank after answering the $100K question correctly.
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I finally got to the second round, but lost after two questions! So far I'm enjoying the changes, but would like to hear what others think after playing.
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One thing that occurred to me: Now that contestants are on their feet and free to move about the studio, how are they gonna handle the Relationship Seat? It used to be that seat was positioned directly behind the player, and for good reason, so the companion couldn't signal to the player. Are they just gonna keep an extra eye on the companions now?
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[quote name=\'IFeelMillionaire\' post=\'246821\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 01:48 AM\']I played the new version of the game online at the Millionaire page. You can test drive the game for yourself, with the new rules, before it airs on Sept. 13. It's pretty cool. But it really is a different feel, and I found this a bit harder than other Millionaire games, like the iPhone app. Which I've won like ten times!
Who Wants To Be a Millionaire online game (http://\"http://www.dadt.com/millionaire/index.html\")[/quote]
1. The link was previously posted in this thread.
B. Maybe you've won the jackpot like ten times because the database of questions used numbers in the dozens...or are you talking about beating the iPhone app that often? Oy, the dizzy spells are starting up once again...
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'246833\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 08:39 AM\']A miss on the Final Four sets you back to $25,000.[/quote]
OK, I was iffy on the changes up to this point, but this settles it. This game is effed in the bee.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246849\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 06:29 PM\']OK, I was iffy on the changes up to this point, but this settles it. This game is effed in the bee.[/quote]
Why? You still get the chance to walk at the 100K question with whatever is in your bank. This is MUCH better than the free guess problem that existed since Millionaire debuted.
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I've played the Flash game, and remain underwhelmed. Most of the posters above are way too worried about carrying lifelines into the top tier, which rarely happens on the show as it currently exists. There's no reason to believe we're going to see any more Q11's than we did before (let alone any higher up the board). The net effect of this change? It's going to randomize the amount of money people walk away with.
I fully expect that the game will devolve into a game of "hunt for the 25K". As soon as it comes, the game is over, and it's going through the motions.
I was halfway expecting them to have not thought about this, but the minimum take into the high-rent district is $27,600.
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'246850\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 08:25 PM\'][quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246849\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 06:29 PM\']OK, I was iffy on the changes up to this point, but this settles it. This game is effed in the bee.[/quote]
Why? You still get the chance to walk at the 100K question with whatever is in your bank. This is MUCH better than the free guess problem that existed since Millionaire debuted.
[/quote]
I wasn't aware that a "free guess problem" existed.
I have a major issue with shows offering prizes or cash that contestants end up not really getting. Card Sharks '01 awarded its winner $2100 But Not Really; you have to wager it on the Money Cards, thus potentially crapping out. Contestants on Downfall won any prizes left on the belt But Not Really; if you lost on another level you lost the prizes, even if you'd reached a safe haven with the money. Here, they're changing all the rules for and making a big deal about a bank that only gets awarded in its entirety if a player walks on question #12. Walk before that, and you only get half. Miss prior to that, and you only get $1000. Miss afterwards, and you're only getting $25K. These rule changes are looking so arbitrary and random that I'm beginning to wonder if they're something in the contestant bible about what would happen if a particular contestant wears a red shirt on Tuesday.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246858\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 08:17 AM\']I'm beginning to wonder if they're something in the contestant bible about what would happen if a particular contestant wears a red shirt on Tuesday.[/quote]
It means he's the first to go
The game is not "effed in the bee" unless you think a) Daytime 5th Grader is "effed in the bee" or b) UK game shows are "effed in the bee" because that's what Millionaire is now.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246849\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 06:29 PM\']OK, I was iffy on the changes up to this point, but this settles it. This game is effed in the bee.[/quote]
You're either a) not thinking about it, or b) so furious at the thought of any change to this show that you refuse to think about it. I completely fail to see, even after reading your "reasoning," why the game is broken as a result of this. I see no "but not really" situation. At all.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'246877\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 10:53 AM\']The game is not "effed in the bee" unless you think a) Daytime 5th Grader is "effed in the bee" or b) UK game shows are "effed in the bee" because that's what Millionaire is now.[/quote]
a) Daytime 5th Grader makes a lot more sense than random questions for random dollar amounts, with arbitrary payoffs if you walk or miss.
b) I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246883\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 11:32 AM\']You're either a) not thinking about it, or b) so furious at the thought of any change to this show that you refuse to think about it. I completely fail to see, even after reading your "reasoning," why the game is broken as a result of this. I see no "but not really" situation. At all.[/quote]
Let me put it to you this way: if the bank was your guarantee on a Final Four miss, I'd be much, much less critical. Still apprehensive at all the changes they've made, but I'd be willing to see what happens. Dropping them back to $25K indicates that the powers that be still don't get it. This show has not had a naturally-occurring millionaire since 2003. That is what the show needs to be addressing, and any changes made to the format need to make it easier for someone to go all the way. (I'm not asking for them to shovel money around, but one peek at Q15 per season doesn't strike me as an outrageous demand.) These changes don't do that. Once all the Jumps are gone, you're left with the same problem you had before: players not wanting to risk $75K or $225K on a question that nobody outside an expert on the subject at hand would know. How do they remedy this? Not by throwing the values of the first 11 questions in a blender, that's for sure.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246907\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 03:42 PM\']Let me put it to you this way: if the bank was your guarantee on a Final Four miss, I'd be much, much less critical.[/quote]
You are welcome to be as critical as you want to be. I'm simply calling you out for basing the reasoning for your criticism on a condition that simply does not exist. There *is no* "but not really" condition. You are free to walk after seeing your first Classic Millionaire question with the contents of your bank. Period.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246907\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 06:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'246877\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 10:53 AM\']The game is not "effed in the bee" unless you think a) Daytime 5th Grader is "effed in the bee" or b) UK game shows are "effed in the bee" because that's what Millionaire is now.[/quote]
a) Daytime 5th Grader makes a lot more sense than random questions for random dollar amounts, with arbitrary payoffs if you walk or miss.
b) I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.[/quote]
I was referring to
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'246242\' date=\'Aug 22 2010, 12:07 AM\'][Millionaire] is now, at least to my eyes, an amalgam of UK game show tropes from the past 3-5 years.[/quote]
Another thing to consider: I'd wager that a vast majority of Millionaire contestants get through about 8-10 questions of their stack. That can get pretty boring when it happens repeatedly for days or even weeks on end, considering how little variance there is between games. The blender now makes those first 8-10 questions interesting (there's something inherently appealing about a "never the same game twice" style of concept) and make it theoretically easier for a contestant to get to the juicy 6-figure question bits.
In all your ranting, you seem to have forgotten that the game needs to be entertaining, and last season was anything but.
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Welp, I've looked at the demo game and the changes they've made in gameplay. It was fun the first few times, running the first level, but the game has an increased chance of getting DOND-itis. Where you'll get the likely occasional padded drama on a jump or a right answer; which is what Millionaire does not need. Let's remember, this is a quiz, not a briefcase lottery. The problem I see also with randomizing the questions is that people may still walk around Q8-10, all that will be different is the amount of money they've won; which seems on its face, downright stupid. Why reward someone with $32,000 for walking at Q8, but someone who walks at Q10 may only win $21,800. Too much unpredictability can be a bad thing, and we may be seeing that in this coming season.
The free guess "issue" was not an issue at all to me. The fact that you had a free shot at the question was part and parcel of the strategy of the game. Do you take the free guess and leave a lifeline or two on the table? Or take one and get reassurance on your guess? The problem they had with the clock last seasons (despite the kick ass music they had with it) was they were trying to force answers and decisions on players under more pressure than was needed to be, which ultimately led to many walking away in the 2nd tier. During the entire run with the clock, we only saw 3 (iirc) $500,000 questions and only 1 true million dollar question (that stupid tournament doesn't count in my book).
Quite frankly, Millionaire has succumb to "It HAS to be broke, we HAVE to fix it" mentality when the games fundamentals had nothing wrong. The only problem was a dry spell in big money winners; which occurs in all shows. Many shows with returning champions will exchange 1-3 day champs for a while before a formidable player can break that rut and have a long streak of victories. Let's not forget that Ogi WOULD have won the million, but only if he had the guts to play the question, even so, he still won $500,000, which is still a lot of money last I checked.
If Millionaire wants to get itself back on track, it DOES need to return to Classic Millionaire, which it is somewhat doing here; but integrate it more with successful things during the syndicated run and add other parts to it that have done well on other editions. Since it's eventually going to happen, I might as well start it and break down my way of doing Millionaire. A hybrid of US and UK:
Q12- $1 MILLION
Q11- $500,000
Q10- $250,000
Q9- $125,000
Q8- $75,000
Q7- $50,000 --SAFE LEVEL--
Q6- $25,000
Q5- $15,000
Q4- $10,000
Q3- $7,000
Q2- $5,000 --SAFE LEVEL--
Q1- $2,000
Lifelines: 50:50; Ask the Audience; Phone a Friend (technically would be "Skype a Friend"; studio could install a cookie to track friends' computer during the taping to make sure the friend doesn't become Google a Friend); Switch the Question would be added before Question 3.
OK, now that that's done and out of the way, I'll let the arguments over the new season continue. I will say this: I'll give the show a chance, but as far as I know, Millionaire as we've known it for over 10 years, is done.
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Maybe this has been addressed earlier in the thread, but: does anyone know how much the recent lawsuit between Celador and Disney influenced all these rule and cosmetic changes?
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Lifelines: 50:50; Ask the Audience; Phone a Friend (technically would be "Skype a Friend"; studio could install a cookie to track friends' computer during the taping to make sure the friend doesn't become Google a Friend); Switch the Question would be added before Question 3.
And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?
Maybe this has been addressed earlier in the thread, but: does anyone know how much the recent lawsuit between Celador and Disney influenced all these rule and cosmetic changes?
Considering that we only heard about the changes after the lawsuit ruling, I'd put the over/under at 65%. Personally, I take the over.
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The problem they had with the clock last seasons (despite the kick ass music they had with it) was they were trying to force answers and decisions on players under more pressure than was needed to be, which ultimately led to many walking away in the 2nd tier. During the entire run with the clock, we only saw 3 (iirc) $500,000 questions and only 1 true million dollar question (that stupid tournament doesn't count in my book).
From a production point of view, I can understand why they introduced the clock - but I never liked it. Part of the fun of the show is playing along at home. Some of upper-level questions take a few seconds to fully understand. Before there was a clock, sometimes I might figure out the answer after a minute if it was something I wasn't overly familiar with - and that's what made the game more interesting. People playing for big money and the drama as to whether they're going to risk it or go home - most of that was taken away. If they had to introduce a clock, they probably should have made it more reasonable - like a minute for the first two tiers. Since the show was always heavily edited, they could have not shown the clock on screen which would have allowed them to edit it down much tighter. Then, show the clock onscreen on the upper-tier questions for more drama.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246961\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 05:11 AM\']Maybe this has been addressed earlier in the thread, but: does anyone know how much the recent lawsuit between Celador and Disney influenced all these rule and cosmetic changes?[/quote]
None. 2WayTraffic bought the rights to Millionaire back in 2006 (http://\"http://informitv.com/news/2006/12/01/2waytrafficbuyscelador/\").
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'246980\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:39 AM\']Since the show was always heavily edited, they could have not shown the clock on screen which would have allowed them to edit it down much tighter. Then, show the clock onscreen on the upper-tier questions for more drama.[/quote]Or you could do what England does. "Congratulations on winning £50,000. In addition to winning the Swap lifeline, you are released from the shackles of the slavering demon fang-pig that is the clock. For the remaining five questions you may take as long as you need." But they weren't going to do that. They wanted each game to take a predictable amount of time to play out.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 09:52 AM\'][quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246957\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 04:21 AM\']Lifelines: 50:50; Ask the Audience; Phone a Friend (technically would be "Skype a Friend"; studio could install a cookie to track friends' computer during the taping to make sure the friend doesn't become Google a Friend); Switch the Question would be added before Question 3.[/quote]
And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?[/quote]
The idea behind the "Skype a Friend" concept was basically a way to keep the phone a friend lifeline on the show, but adapt it to what is now more modern technology. If the friend has a webcam, they could actually use that as part of the show as well, like they did for Ask the Expert. The idea of the tracking cookies is so that the producers still have control over the show, and the friend, can't be all whacked out, doing stupid things (granted that probably won't happen, but we also never thought someone on TPIR would bid $2 million), and most importantly, NOT searching for the answer during the lifeline. The basic idea for the Skype a Friend agreement would be that while the person is on standby during the show, he can research whatever he wants; it would still be the idea on how Phone a Friend works, they're not on the show until they're called. When the person is called up as the PAF, a notice will come up via skype from the producers telling them he's the phone a friend, and that he must to close out all internet browsers and any other research programs before they patch him through to the show. Once the producers have confirmed all that, they put him/her on. After the lifeline's over, all the producers can link up the person to a page or something where the cookie is deleted, and they're thanked for taking part in the show.
Now, IF somehow, the person is caught googling, the basic idea would be that tape stops, inform the player and the friend that he was caught googling, and pick another friend to call (would be a list of 5 again, and not 3). The offender, if it's the first time violating the rules, gets a warning; the second violation bans that person's IP address from the Phone a Friend servers or something like that. My knowledge of this kind of thing is very vague, so I'm almost sure I don't know what I'm talking about.
I know it's a really cockamamie idea, but if we really are going to bring back Phone A Friend, you have to adapt to the new technology and use it to ensure a fair game.
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246994\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 12:46 PM\']The basic idea for the Skype a Friend agreement would be that while the person is on standby during the show, he can research whatever he wants; it would still be the idea on how Phone a Friend works, they're not on the show until they're called. When the person is called up as the PAF, a notice will come up via skype from the producers telling them he's the phone a friend, and that he must to close out all internet browsers and any other research programs before they patch him through to the show. Once the producers have confirmed all that, they put him/her on. After the lifeline's over, all the producers can link up the person to a page or something where the cookie is deleted, and they're thanked for taking part in the show.
Now, IF somehow, the person is caught googling, the basic idea would be that tape stops, inform the player and the friend that he was caught googling, and pick another friend to call (would be a list of 5 again, and not 3). The offender, if it's the first time violating the rules, gets a warning; the second violation bans that person's IP address from the Phone a Friend servers or something like that. My knowledge of this kind of thing is very vague, so I'm almost sure I don't know what I'm talking about.
I know it's a really cockamamie idea, but if we really are going to bring back Phone A Friend, you have to adapt to the new technology and use it to ensure a fair game.[/quote]
And what if there's another person in the room, also with a computer, that is patched through to the headset that the SAPper is using to search and find the answer. The SAPper could waffle and then get the clue from the other person.
Basically, any version of PAF without having them come to the studio turns into this (http://\"http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X3XbrTsqItQ/SUBEI2mAubI/AAAAAAAAAKo/3XDU22FreWQ/S660/ha-ha-im-using-the-internet.jpg\").
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WWTBAM restarted today in Italy, with only one difference from the original rules: there is only 1 safe level but the contestant can choose where to place it before beginning the game.
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I really didn't mind them dropping PAF, honestly, and it was for this exact reason. I remember even earlier on when people would try to assemble groups of people in a room and have the PAF repeat the question to everyone else. They always ended up using about 26 seconds to go through the process. Drove me absolutely crazy.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:52 AM\']And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?[/quote]
I've never seen someone try so hard to be funny as you.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:52 AM\']Considering that we only heard about the changes after the lawsuit finished, I'd put the over/under at 65%. Personally, I take the over.[/quote]
Do you even know what Loog is talking about? Or is this another attempted to be "accepted" by offering a witty "I agree!" line?
Oh and...
None. 2WayTraffic bought the rights to Millionaire back in 2006 (http://\"http://informitv.com/news/2006/12/01/2waytrafficbuyscelador/\").
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246994\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 03:46 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 09:52 AM\'][quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246957\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 04:21 AM\']Lifelines: 50:50; Ask the Audience; Phone a Friend (technically would be "Skype a Friend"; studio could install a cookie to track friends' computer during the taping to make sure the friend doesn't become Google a Friend); Switch the Question would be added before Question 3.[/quote]
And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?[/quote]
The idea behind the "Skype a Friend" concept was basically a way to keep the phone a friend lifeline on the show, but adapt it to what is now more modern technology. If the friend has a webcam, they could actually use that as part of the show as well, like they did for Ask the Expert. The idea of the tracking cookies is so that the producers still have control over the show, and the friend, can't be all whacked out, doing stupid things (granted that probably won't happen, but we also never thought someone on TPIR would bid $2 million), and most importantly, NOT searching for the answer during the lifeline. The basic idea for the Skype a Friend agreement would be that while the person is on standby during the show, he can research whatever he wants; it would still be the idea on how Phone a Friend works, they're not on the show until they're called. When the person is called up as the PAF, a notice will come up via skype from the producers telling them he's the phone a friend, and that he must to close out all internet browsers and any other research programs before they patch him through to the show. Once the producers have confirmed all that, they put him/her on. After the lifeline's over, all the producers can link up the person to a page or something where the cookie is deleted, and they're thanked for taking part in the show.
Now, IF somehow, the person is caught googling, the basic idea would be that tape stops, inform the player and the friend that he was caught googling, and pick another friend to call (would be a list of 5 again, and not 3). The offender, if it's the first time violating the rules, gets a warning; the second violation bans that person's IP address from the Phone a Friend servers or something like that. My knowledge of this kind of thing is very vague, so I'm almost sure I don't know what I'm talking about.
I know it's a really cockamamie idea, but if we really are going to bring back Phone A Friend, you have to adapt to the new technology and use it to ensure a fair game.
[/quote]
Or you could just have off camera another friend with another computer feeding the person on camera the answer--go ahead, PROVE IT!
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'246980\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 02:39 PM\']Since the show was always heavily edited, they could have not shown the clock on screen which would have allowed them to edit it down much tighter.[/quote]
But I was under the impression that the clock was done to eliminate said editing
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'247016\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 04:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'246980\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 02:39 PM\']Since the show was always heavily edited, they could have not shown the clock on screen which would have allowed them to edit it down much tighter.[/quote]
But I was under the impression that the clock was done to eliminate said editing
[/quote]
And now look at what they're doing, going BACK to no clock and going back to heavy editing! Seems like the people behind the reigns of Millionaire are looking for a quick fix to their problems (IE: Tournament of 10, the clock, upping the money, and now this clusterbunch).
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246957\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 01:21 AM\']Millionaire has succumb to "It HAS to be broke, we HAVE to fix it" mentality when the games fundamentals had nothing wrong. The only problem was a dry spell in big money winners; which occurs in all shows.[/quote]
I have to imagine the people making decisions wouldn't be doing all this if there weren't a greater goal - like keeping the show on the air. I'm willing to bet the "classic" game was getting old with viewers. Even if it wasn't, clearly there were cost issues with studio time (hence the clock) and prize money (hence the difficulty) that were addressed.
What the new format rather cleverly does (as Mello pointed out) is break up the monotony. Unless there's sudden renewed financial interest in the contestants' well being (i.e. the prize budget), naturally they'll be walking/losing around the same point. But now they're going to do so in a game that's ever-changing. It's one of the things that keeps TPIR appealing to me; I imagine the variety could help attract some viewers. "Classic Millionaire" has been around long enough for the people interested in it to see it, IMO.
Whereas before, I would resume yawning when WWTBAM came back in the fall, I'll actually tune in this year to see how these changes play out on the air. Your doom-and-gloom about the show having "DOND-itis" is quite a big supposition to make based on a Flash game. If it's going to resemble that game at all, there might be a small animation to ramp up the drama in seeing what the question's worth. Look out game show police.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'247002\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 05:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:52 AM\']And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?[/quote]I've never seen someone try so hard to be funny as you.[/quote]
One problem -- I wasn't trying to be funny. I wasn't even making a joke. I was being dead serious.
[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'247002\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 05:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:52 AM\']Considering that we only heard about the changes after the lawsuit finished, I'd put the over/under at 65%. Personally, I take the over.[/quote]Do you even know what Loog is talking about? Or is this another attempted to be "accepted" by offering a witty "I agree!" line?
Oh and...
None. 2WayTraffic bought the rights to Millionaire back in 2006 (http://\"http://informitv.com/news/2006/12/01/2waytrafficbuyscelador/\").
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Loog is referring to the July verdict in Celador's favor to the tune of $270 Million (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/the-final-answer-for-millionaire/\"). I remember reading about it back when the news broke, and a thought had brewed in my mind that somebody in a position of power would try to make the show cheaper and/or harder so Disney could make back its lost money. The new format (which, to my surprise, I am warming up to), however, seems intent on giving away more.
Again, I was being dead serious.
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'246957\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 04:21 AM\']Quite frankly, Millionaire has succumb to "It HAS to be broke, we HAVE to fix it" mentality when the games fundamentals had nothing wrong. The only problem was a dry spell in big money winners; which occurs in all shows.
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OK, now that that's done and out of the way, I'll let the arguments over the new season continue. I will say this: I'll give the show a chance, but as far as I know, Millionaire as we've known it for over 10 years, is done.[/quote]
I've loved Millionaire since Day One, but on its face, the format is no that strong, and never has been.
Answer 15 multiple-choice questions. Okay, even when you add a potential seven-figure jackpot, it's still a pedestrian game. The lifelines help spruce things up. So does the Fastest Finger. The original phone game helped give the show an everyman/woman feel (save for the "middle-aged white guy" non-controversy).
What I'm saying is, the format's never been strong to begin with, so they have to find a way to jazz it up. Some of their experiments worked (new lifelines), some didn't (the tournament). This is a slightly larger change, but I still don't see it as the death knell, esp. after the online game gave me a good idea.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'247025\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 08:49 PM\']I wasn't even making a joke. I was being dead serious.[/quote]That's the scary part.
I realized earlier that when I watched the past seasons via DVR (since I usually had school during the airing time), I would fast forward through most contestant introductions and the first five questions since, you know, nothing "interesting" usually happened then. With the new format, every question has a potential importance so there's nothing to skip or drudge through now.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'246849\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 06:29 PM\']OK, I was iffy on the changes up to this point, but this settles it. This game is effed in the bee.[/quote]Fricasseed in the boundary?
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'246912\' date=\'Sep 5 2010, 04:25 PM\']You are free to walk after seeing your first Classic Millionaire question with the contents of your bank. Period.[/quote]I completely see Tim's point: if I'm the contestant, I want my safety net to be whatever I carried into Original Recipe. But if I'm the show, and I did the math and realized that you can't make it to Original Recipe with less than $27,000; and frequently more, then I want the safety net to be $25,000.
[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247001\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 01:33 PM\']I really didn't mind them dropping PAF, honestly, and it was for this exact reason. I remember even earlier on when people would try to assemble groups of people in a room and have the PAF repeat the question to everyone else. They always ended up using about 26 seconds to go through the process. Drove me absolutely crazy.[/quote]It drives me batty when people don't have anti-virus software on their computer and then complain when things go horribly wrong. But they get to.
Any one of us could round up a bundle of venture capital, start up a TV network in the fashion of Revision3 and have game shows that are chockablock with strategy, interesting decisions and tension that you can't believe and for realistic problems. And when you do, you get to set the rules. Right now, you get to decide whether to watch or not.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'247026\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 05:56 PM\']What I'm saying is, the format's never been strong to begin with, so they have to find a way to jazz it up.[/quote]The one change that I completely was in the tank for was the growing jackpot.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'247037\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 08:15 PM\']I completely see Tim's point: if I'm the contestant, I want my safety net to be whatever I carried into Original Recipe.[/quote]
Well, yeah, and if I'm the contestant, I want the four Original Recipe questions to ask me the first four numbers of the Fibonacci sequence.
But if I'm the show, and I did the math
What, are you suggesting that the show *actually thought out* this angle? Perish the thought! :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247040\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 08:50 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'247037\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 08:15 PM\']I completely see Tim's point: if I'm the contestant, I want my safety net to be whatever I carried into Original Recipe.[/quote]
Well, yeah, and if I'm the contestant, I want the four Original Recipe questions to ask me the first four numbers of the Fibonacci sequence.[/quote]
But what's the point of offering $68K in the first 11? Why not finagle the numbers to have them add up to $50K? At least then it matches up with the previous money ladder.
"But Tim! They want to be able to offer the players more money without actually giving it to them!"
Hence my "But Not Really" argument.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247044\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:49 PM\']"But Tim! They want to be able to offer the players more money without actually giving it to them!"
Hence my "But Not Really" argument.[/quote]
...but if they walk on Question 11, THEY GET IT. Your argument is invalid.
If they fail, they do not get it, they get less. Nor should they, because they failed. If they get it right, they get more. They removed the free guess at that tier. Most people would consider that a feature, not a bug.
But I know, change is hard.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'247025\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 07:49 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'247002\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 05:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'246971\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:52 AM\']And what would happen if the friend did try to use a search site? The show fills the offending computer with spam, malware, and/or viruses...and maybe even disables the user's anti-virus program/firewall for good measure?[/quote]I've never seen someone try so hard to be funny as you.[/quote]
One problem -- I wasn't trying to be funny. I wasn't even making a joke. I was being dead serious.
[/quote]
I guess look at it this way: do you think Disney would want bad press for "filling the offending computer with spam, malware, etc." of the Skype-ee?
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247044\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 11:49 PM\']Why not finagle the numbers to have them add up to $50K? At least then it matches up with the previous money ladder.[/quote]
I've actually thought about that and it is doable, although the cleanest way I came up with is a nine question first round with these values:
$500, $1,000, $1,500, $2,000, $2,500, $5,000, $7,500, $10,000, $20,000
$68,600 just seems like such an odd amount to achieve, I'm surprised that they didn't make it add up to a rounder number.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'247027\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 09:21 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'247025\' date=\'Sep 6 2010, 08:49 PM\']I wasn't even making a joke. I was being dead serious.[/quote]That's the scary part.
I realized earlier that when I watched the past seasons via DVR (since I usually had school during the airing time), I would fast forward through most contestant introductions and the first five questions since, you know, nothing "interesting" usually happened then. With the new format, every question has a potential importance so there's nothing to skip or drudge through now.
[/quote]
Exactly. Sorry to say, but I could really care less about the first 7 questions or so on the old format of Millionaire. The first five questions were always a joke on the show.
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Why not treat the first five questions the same way other shows do coin tosses, straw draws and the like and do them backstage before the show? If they can't get past the first five, they don't get on TV.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'247136\' date=\'Sep 8 2010, 01:27 PM\']Why not treat the first five questions the same way other shows do coin tosses, straw draws and the like and do them backstage before the show? If they can't get past the first five, they don't get on TV.[/quote]
Because if the contestant needs to use Ask the Audience within the first five questions, there's no way to implement it backstage. Also, it then looks odd for a contestant to enter the game with a lifeline missing.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'247139\' date=\'Sep 8 2010, 11:45 AM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'247136\' date=\'Sep 8 2010, 01:27 PM\']Why not treat the first five questions the same way other shows do coin tosses, straw draws and the like and do them backstage before the show? If they can't get past the first five, they don't get on TV.[/quote]
Because if the contestant needs to use Ask the Audience within the first five questions, there's no way to implement it backstage. Also, it then looks odd for a contestant to enter the game with a lifeline missing.[/quote]
You thought this was a serious question? I just assumed Jimmy was trolling again.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'247136\' date=\'Sep 8 2010, 02:27 PM\']Why not treat the first five questions the same way other shows do coin tosses, straw draws and the like and do them backstage before the show? If they can't get past the first five, they don't get on TV.[/quote]
#1 because they already passed a test much tougher than the first five questions.
#2 because when someone is on TV instead of in their living rooms, sometimes they smiply draw a blank
#3 because if in the first five there is a question about Harry Potter and the contestant doesn't have kids, they won't know it and that doesn't mean they're not good enough to be there.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247044\' date=\'Sep 7 2010, 02:49 AM\']But what's the point of offering $68K in the first 11? Why not finagle the numbers to have them add up to $50K?[/quote]
Because then they aren't offering more money than before. If you get through Meredith Roulette, your bank is automatically more than 25k.
Not sure why you can't do round numbers, either (replace 100 with 1500 and you get 70k total). Perhaps the powers that be think that $100 is an iconic value.
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Does the total really matter when you can skip two questions, not adding them in the total?
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[quote name=\'mxc0427\' post=\'247123\' date=\'Sep 8 2010, 10:27 AM\']The first five questions were always a joke on the show.[/quote]
I thought that was the point.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'246848\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'IFeelMillionaire\' post=\'246821\' date=\'Sep 4 2010, 01:48 AM\']I played the new version of the game online at the Millionaire page. You can test drive the game for yourself, with the new rules, before it airs on Sept. 13. It's pretty cool. But it really is a different feel, and I found this a bit harder than other Millionaire games, like the iPhone app. Which I've won like ten times!
Who Wants To Be a Millionaire online game (http://\"http://www.dadt.com/millionaire/index.html\")[/quote]
B. Maybe you've won the jackpot like ten times because the database of questions used numbers in the dozens...or are you talking about beating the iPhone app that often? Oy, the dizzy spells are starting up once again...
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I was referring to the iPhone app, not the online game. Which actually does duplicate quite quickly as I've now found out. But the iPhone app is pretty extensive, question-wise, and they update it as well. I don't think I've had that many repeat questions. I just play it a lot when I have to wait for stuff. (I've since got into Words with Friends, but that relies on the other person taking a turn.)
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[quote name=\'IFeelMillionaire\' post=\'247274\' date=\'Sep 10 2010, 03:46 PM\'](I've since got into Words with Friends, but that relies on the other person taking a turn.)[/quote]
Me too; I love it. My username is cwcarrion if you'd like to start a game sometime.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'247339\' date=\'Sep 12 2010, 09:10 AM\'][quote name=\'IFeelMillionaire\' post=\'247274\' date=\'Sep 10 2010, 03:46 PM\'](I've since got into Words with Friends, but that relies on the other person taking a turn.)[/quote]
Me too; I love it. My username is cwcarrion if you'd like to start a game sometime.
[/quote]
Noted. My username is jeremynelson1987, so look me up if you want to start a game...between grad school and work, it's the last bit of sanity in my life right now.
It's so much better than spending $10 on a Scrabble app whose only claim to fame is that, should you have the money, you can play a "digital table game" using an iPad and 4 iPhones/iPod Touches. Does that version even support online multiplayer?
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It's so much better than spending $10 on a Scrabble app whose only claim to fame is that, should you have the money, you can play a "digital table game" using an iPad and 4 iPhones/iPod Touches. Does that version even support online multiplayer?
I'd suggest the Internet Scrabble Club (http://\"http://www.isc.ro/\"), but I don't think it's compatible with Ipads or cellphones.
Or, if you're a masochist, you can play against Quackle (http://\"http://people.csail.mit.edu/jasonkb/quackle/#download\") and be suitably humbled.
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[quote name=\'Jeremy Nelson\' post=\'247347\' date=\'Sep 12 2010, 04:18 PM\']Does that version even support online multiplayer?[/quote]
Yep. Supports live multiplayer, turn multiplayer, multiplayer across multiple platforms (Facebook, etc.).
Also, it's only $2.99: http://itunes.apple.com/app/scrabble/id284815117?mt=8 (http://\"http://itunes.apple.com/app/scrabble/id284815117?mt=8\")
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'247356\' date=\'Sep 12 2010, 09:15 PM\']Also, it's only $2.99: http://itunes.apple.com/app/scrabble/id284815117?mt=8 (http://\"http://itunes.apple.com/app/scrabble/id284815117?mt=8\")[/quote]
They really dangle the "Best Play" button right there in front of you on the main screen, with no way to deactivate it or have it disabled for online games? Really?
That is just a horrible, awful idea.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'247339\' date=\'Sep 12 2010, 10:10 AM\'][quote name=\'IFeelMillionaire\' post=\'247274\' date=\'Sep 10 2010, 03:46 PM\'](I've since got into Words with Friends, but that relies on the other person taking a turn.)[/quote]
Me too; I love it. My username is cwcarrion if you'd like to start a game sometime.
[/quote]
I'm Marc412.
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Well, at least they got rid of that damned clock.
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Overall, I like the new format. I think it works. It will be more interesting to see how the contestants use the 'strategy' when it has a little more time to simmer. Graphics package is good, and I don't mind the set changes. Standing seems weird, and I think the set is too bright. I like some of the new music, but it's too quiet. The game seems to drag through, and the cuts on this episode were very noticeable.
Millionaire isn't broken - it's simply a refresh to an old game. I like it. DVRing.
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My thoughts:
Overall it felt like a different game show-it was 'essence of Millionaire' sans clock (good riddance). It felt to me like a bit too radical of a change, and the jumbled values in particular seemed a mess. For some reason I thought the questions would still be matched with their difficulty rating, but only the order would be jumbled-without that there's no feel for how difficult a question is, if you're making it more difficult than need be... perhaps that's part of their plan. But if they're going to randomize the dollar amounts *and* the question positions, why not let the contestant pick the categories in his/her desired order too? It won't affect the outcome any if the value is unknown, other than the climbing the ladder effect won't be maintained-although they could simply switch the chosen category with whatever fell into position one and make it look like a ladder... Hey, if the categories aren't obvious, part of the fun might be in picking when you think it's one thing but it's another topic entirely.
I like that Meredith can be chattier and personable with the contestants, but there seemed to be way too little contestant bio-that any rooting for the guy was lost to all the banter between them. I expected Meredith would mention the stopping with half the bank in advance rather than after the two jumps were used, because then it suggested he wasn't at risk until after both had been used.
Will I watch again? Sure-just to see how things play out after someone gets through the 10 questions. First stack seemed a bit more difficult than usual-the 'gimmes' weren't plentiful. Perhaps another subtle move by the producers, to make getting through all 10 more difficult? Time will tell. But with all the music cues changed, the chair gone, and chaos in the game play, it didn't feel comfortable at all to this viewer. But my 7-year-old son said he liked it... my wife still doesn't like to watch (remember Ryan Howard?)...
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[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'247450\' date=\'Sep 13 2010, 08:52 PM\']my wife still doesn't like to watch (remember Ryan Howard?)...[/quote]
Spoken like a true Mets fan :P
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Does anyone have a link a video of the season premiere?
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[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'247450\' date=\'Sep 13 2010, 05:52 PM\']But if they're going to randomize the dollar amounts *and* the question positions, why not let the contestant pick the categories in his/her desired order too?[/quote]
I like the idea in terms of gameplay, but I wonder if the added (minor, not-really-essential) change would bog down the show pacing.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247482\' date=\'Sep 13 2010, 09:37 PM\'][quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'247450\' date=\'Sep 13 2010, 05:52 PM\']But if they're going to randomize the dollar amounts *and* the question positions, why not let the contestant pick the categories in his/her desired order too?[/quote]I like the idea in terms of gameplay, but I wonder if the added (minor, not-really-essential) change would bog down the show pacing.[/quote]Not to mention that the computer/chyron guy would have to call up any of ten questions at a time, instead of just the next one. The reason to do it is that you could knock out the questions that you think you know first, and then worry about the unknown quantities later. (Then again, how helpful have the categories been anyway?)
I liked it. It may be a different game, but it still has people answering questions and winning money. So there's that.
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'247480\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 12:20 AM\']Does anyone have a link a video of the season premiere?[/quote]
Part 1 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaMpSIiVo0\")
Part 2 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAWlkfXjWU\")
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The unpredicatable nature of this new Round 1 made the game rather more interesting to me than it's been in a while. I hadn't watched Millionaire regularly in some years, but when I did I tended to fast forward through the first tier of questions; there's no reason to do that, now, since anything can happen along the way.
The Jumps seem to me the biggest change in the game; in the past, it was one of the few shows ever where you had to answer *every* question correctly in order to win the grand prize. Now, it's "all but any two"--not that I think that makes the million too easy to win; it's just different.
All in all, it's a fun new game with an classic title. And, like Coke Classic, they can always bring back the old version if they choose to.
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OK, yeah, interesting. I have my weird obsession with computer-screen reveals when it comes to dollar amounts we're supposed to cheer. I truly believe there's an intangible benefit to the tangible prop. As vacuous as it was, DoND would have been significantly worse without the briefcases, not to mention their carriers.
I think the game is a little harder to play with the order of the questions randomized. With the old show, I often found myself using the value of the question as a clue when I didn't immediately know the answer. As it turns out, there was a very tricky question in the first game, and who knows where it would have landed if they weren't random. If you Google, there are more references to Russia as a 'sleeping giant' than there are to China. Without specifically knowing the reference to Napoleon, itself pretty obscure, that's a nasty question.
Meredith's trying her hardest -- maybe a little too hard -- but while I'm interested in the novelty of it for now, I'm not sure this is a better game than the one it replaced.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'247516\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 11:46 AM\']OK, yeah, interesting. I have my weird obsession with computer-screen reveals when it comes to dollar amounts we're supposed to cheer. I truly believe there's an intangible benefit to the tangible prop.[/quote]
It's a preference I share, as you'd guess. I'd lurve to see a big honkin' game board in the vom below the big question screen, and it would be easy enough to make it a great door through which new contestants enter. I wager, though, that more of the Millionaire audience doesn't care than does.
I'm not sure this is a better game than the one it replaced.
Is it a better game? Probably not, though I don't think it's any worse. Is it going to keep more eyes on the screen through more of the game, thus delivering more audience to the commercials? Quite possibly. (Except for anybody who knows how to use the fast-forward button on a DVR, that is.)
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I watched the premiere yesterday, and they an episode from last year in the second year so you got to see them side by side. Interesting. There is definitely a bit more excitement now with the randomized amounts...it just adds another level of interaction for the audience to respond to, so at least it sounds better! But seriously, I had no trouble with it, and once they get into a rhythm it should work. Not sure about the two Jump the Question lifelines. I like the idea more of three unique lifelines.
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Okay, I'll be the one to not like the new music. With only a couple of exceptions, it's generic and unmemorable. As a general rule, I like music that I can hum, and there's not much to hum along with here.
Also, since the majority of a given contestant's game will take place in the lower tier (and in many episodes, no contestant will reach the second tier), I'm going to quickly fatigue of hearing that same question bed for the entire half hour.
I do like the randomizing sound effect, though.
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[quote name=\'dscungio\' post=\'247511\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 10:20 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'247480\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 12:20 AM\']Does anyone have a link a video of the season premiere?[/quote]
Part 1 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaMpSIiVo0\")
Part 2 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjAWlkfXjWU\")
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Thank you.
I think it was a great premiere.I really like the fact that the questions and amounts are randomized.I think it will be a great season.Way to go Millionaire!
Oh and i feel the Jump the Question lifelines are good, as i feel that Phone-a-friend and Ask The Expert took too much time.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'247536\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 02:56 PM\']Okay, I'll be the one to not like the new music. With only a couple of exceptions, it's generic and unmemorable. As a general rule, I like music that I can hum, and there's not much to hum along with here.[/quote]
I second this. The music itself is okay, but the levels, at least in the first episode, were not loud enough for it to be discernible as the previous music...made it all sound very low-budget, or an afterthought.
I'm indifferent on the changes so far. I will be a much bigger fan once "Jim Perry starts flipping the cards faster," if you all know what I mean. The pace in that first episode was so slow. Okay, that question was worth $7K, let's move on.
I kind of miss the clock. Kind of. It wouldn't have been a terrible addition for the first 10 questions...30 seconds each, or something.
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I was encouraged to watch the show and I did. I stand by my original statement, "It is an interesting game show BUT in my opinion it is not Millionaire." This new show is fine but they should have changed the name.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'247567\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 04:12 PM\']This new show is fine but they should have changed the name.[/quote]
You're right. Throwing away the branding that made them famous is TOTALLY the way to go.
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After watching the show, I think everything's just fine. The show recaptured something that was missing during the clock era: the contestants thinking out loud. This, in my opinion, was one of the big things that set Millionaire apart from other quizzers.
The only issue I have is with the pacing. I hope as the season wears on, they will be able to ratchet up the number of questions seen in a day.
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I finally watched part 1. It's different of course, but it really isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I still miss the variety of lifelines, and not really feeling the music, but I enjoyed it. And I feel it kept enough to still resemble Millionaire. Like I've said 100 times, contestants still climb a money ladder from $100-1M, by answering multiple-choice questions. If they get stuck, they can ask for help.
The method has changed a bit, but the essence of the game still remains, just as it did when Password became more than Password 31 years ago. But like with P+ and its changes, the show still has me yelling out the answers and thinking with the contestants. I can live with that.
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Saw it.
Like:
No more clock
The bantor is back
No more llamas (everybody gets at least a grand)
Don't like:
The original music gone
The Hot Seat gone
Will like it more if:
Someone finally wins the million (w/o a special tournament)
WTF? KTLA at noon!?!
I think the show has used its Jump lifeline to jump the shark.
--Charlie
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The game is fine now. I'm happy there's no clock and eagerly waiting a contestant to use their jumps in round two.
BTW, did anyone of you watchers ever expect an audience to clap after someone jumps a question? After watching Family Feud and US Deal or No Deal clap to every...single...darn...thing, I find it refreshing that an audience simply chilled.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247569\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 07:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'247567\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 04:12 PM\']This new show is fine but they should have changed the name.[/quote]
You're right. Throwing away the branding that made them famous is TOTALLY the way to go.
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Um, yeah sure, Chris. We should also put Pepsi in Coke cans too.
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Has anyone noticed how fast the lifelines are being used up because of the randomizer? That is one big issue I see already.
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I'm trying to get accustomed to some of the new cues but unlike some others, I'll live with the changes. Otherwise, I'm cool with the new changes; it needed a reset and it's a step in the right direction.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' post=\'247579\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 11:13 PM\']BTW, did anyone of you watchers ever expect an audience to clap after someone jumps a question? After watching Family Feud and US Deal or No Deal clap to every...single...darn...thing, I find it refreshing that an audience simply chilled.[/quote]
Yes. It's one thing that's always made me appreciate the show so much more. I always expected it to be used no matter what lifeline was chosen, and pleasantly surprised to see they still don't do it.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'247586\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 11:38 PM\']Yes. It's one thing that's always made me appreciate the show so much more. I always expected it to be used no matter what lifeline was chosen, and pleasantly surprised to see they still don't do it.[/quote]I do wish (and this has been a gripe of mine for a while) that they would wait to clap until Meredith confirms if it's right or wrong. They did it a lot during the first episode, including one instance after the contestant locked in an incorrect answer (the one about Napoleon.) I didn't notice it so much during today's episode, so someone must have said something about it.
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Watched today's episode. It SCREAMS, "We have a shoestring budget, we desperately need to keep people away from the top prize, so we'll jigger the first 2/3 of the game to get everyone to bail out or crash before they even get close to the six-digit values."
How so? Randomizing the dollar values AND the questions, along with finding contestants that will gladly burn off their lifelines early, makes it so that nobody - and I mean nobody - will win the million. Hell, I'll be shocked if anyone sees the $250,000 question.
Now you see why I was so rabidly against this format as soon as I heard it. Watching it made me feel no less confident that this show is on its way out.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247589\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:02 AM\']Now you see why I was so rabidly against this format as soon as I heard it.[/quote]Nope, still don't. It should be hard to see a $250,000 question. I guess people got used to seeing every contestant on Regis's show hop, skip and jump his way to $32,000+ but it really shouldn't be like that. Having the chance to play for $100,000 and beyond on a trivia game show should be hard.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247589\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:02 AM\']Watched today's episode. It SCREAMS, "We have a shoestring budget, we desperately need to keep people away from the top prize, so we'll jigger the first 2/3 of the game to get everyone to bail out or crash before they even get close to the six-digit values."[/quote]
Except the show has had three million dollar winners in eight years. One was from a tournament a year ago, and the last one before that was in 2003. If they had given away the top prize three times in the last season, I could understand, but I disagree here.
I just don't get why so many people are up in arms about it. What is so drastically different that has people crying as if this were a Fremantle production? It's not like Millionaire '99 was a completely original concept either.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'247582\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 10:20 PM\']Has anyone noticed how fast the lifelines are being used up because of the randomizer? That is one big issue I see already.[/quote]
I bet that the number of people using all three lifelines within the first ten questions goes up only slightly, but it will seem like people are burning them a lot faster because they're more likely to come across hard questions early in the stack than they were before, now that they're not going through them in order of difficulty.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'247581\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 08:18 PM\']Um, yeah sure, Chris. We should also put Pepsi in Coke cans too.[/quote]
Kill me. Just kill me. Plunge a knife into my temple and END IT.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'247593\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:25 PM\']I just don't get why so many people are up in arms about it. What is so drastically different that has people crying as if this were a Fremantle production? It's not like Millionaire '99 was a completely original concept either?[/quote]
Because change is HARD.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'247591\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:10 PM\']Nope, still don't. It should be hard to see a $250,000 question.[/quote]
Not so hard that it never happens.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'247593\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:25 PM\']I just don't get why so many people are up in arms about it. What is so drastically different that has people crying as if this were a Fremantle production?[/quote]
Because these really feel like changes for their own sake, or for the sake of saving money.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247596\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 10:21 PM\']Because change is HARD.[/quote]
You keep on beating that drum as if we were ready to storm the castle if the new season featured anything other than the show as we saw it in 1999.
There were ways to change the show, make it interesting, and not turn the game into a mishmash of randomization. Instead, they went with the mishmash of randomization. How they expect the show to survive to see another season is beyond me.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247598\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:32 AM\']Not so hard that it never happens.[/quote]
Apparently you also have advance knowledge of everything that is going to happen this season. Got a Derby pick for me?
You keep on beating that drum as if we were ready to storm the castle
I keep beating that drum because I keep seeing people bitching about change. And not just on this show.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247596\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 01:21 AM\']Because change is HARD.[/quote]Sure is. (http://\"http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4097/changeg.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247598\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 03:32 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'247593\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:25 PM\']I just don't get why so many people are up in arms about it. What is so drastically different that has people crying as if this were a Fremantle production?[/quote]
Because these really feel like changes for their own sake, or for the sake of saving money.
[/quote]
This is where we'll likely disagree. It may seem like a random change, but I can't think of too many more ways the producers can dress up a relatively pedestrian concept. I mean, that's why the original 3 lifelines were added to the game. But that could still get old after a while, so at least they're trying something. Same reason Wheel and J! have added things here and there over the last several decades.
As far as saving money, I still must say that if that were the case, I don't think they would've had the guaranteed tournament from two seasons ago. The minimum a contestant can now win is $1,000, and if you clear the first 10 questions without jumping, you win almost $70,000, more than double what you'd get after 10 questions on any of the former money trees. Even if the process is a bit more complicated, it's not impossible.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247599\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:48 AM\']Apparently you also have advance knowledge of everything that is going to happen this season.[/quote]
I can hazard a guess, based on past seasons. (Remember, kids: no natural millionaires in seven years.)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'247600\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 03:05 AM\']Sure is. (http://\"http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4097/changeg.jpg\")[/quote]
That, sir, is awesome. :)
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247598\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 03:32 AM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'247591\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:10 PM\']Nope, still don't. It should be hard to see a $250,000 question.[/quote]
Not so hard that it never happens.[/quote]
That's you're opinion of what might be the result of the season after watching two episodes. As a debate point, that's pretty weak.
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I bet that the number of people using all three lifelines within the first ten questions goes up only slightly, but it will seem like people are burning them a lot faster because they're more likely to come across hard questions early in the stack than they were before, now that they're not going through them in order of difficulty.
That's what I think too. Quite frequently in previous seasons you saw lifelines gone in the first five questions. I think you'll see it more this season because of the randomizing of questions.
I agree with others about the clock - I'm glad to see it go.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'247607\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 08:39 AM\'][quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'247598\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 03:32 AM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'247591\' date=\'Sep 14 2010, 09:10 PM\']Nope, still don't. It should be hard to see a $250,000 question.[/quote]
Not so hard that it never happens.[/quote]
That's you're opinion of what might be the result of the season after watching two episodes. As a debate point, that's pretty weak.
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They've changed the format to either a small degree ($25,000?) or large degree (OMGWTFCLOCK) almost every year now. We've had the show for 11 years; that's long enough to have a decent feel for what changes do to the show. Even this year's changes.
That said, whether we see many BIG winners has much less to do with changes in format, and much more to do with question difficulty. Consider The Price is Right. They overhauled their budget by making prices more challenging and by making non-bimodal guesses much harder. Here, it doesn't matter whether $25,000 is at the start of the stack or near the end; either way, they're going to have some questions. Some are easy, and some are hard. And if enough of them are hard, more people will bail earlier.
Personal thought: Yes, winning a lot of money should be hard on this show. But for a show called "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", for a show that the host simply calls "Millionaire", I would like to see a question 15 14 about once a season. It's perfectly reasonable that some or all of these people don't pull the trigger. But I don't want it to happen by someone being handed a gift stack, either. Yes, I know this is an incredibly hard thing to balance without having a lot of people go deep in their stacks, but I really believe that it's better television overall if they can manage that balance.
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'247617\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:25 PM\']They've changed the format to either a small degree ($25,000?) or large degree (OMGWTFCLOCK) almost every year now. We've had the show for 11 years; that's long enough to have a decent feel for what changes do to the show. Even this year's changes.[/quote]
I'm not sure I even agree with that. This is a major change and I don't see how past performance helps us that much in figuring out how people are going to run this new ten-question gauntlet. Still, I'm fine if people offer the opinion that it might be harder to win big amounts based on these changes. Offhand, I'd say that I agree with that. But Loog had now said twice, with great empasis, that a $250,000 question will never happen, and two episodes out, the evidence is just not there yet to say that as a definite fact.
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I would like to see a question 14 about once a season.
In my area the show is only on a digital channel which I can't get (but my parents can...), so I haven't watched the show much in the past year or so. However, IIRC, we HAVE seen at least one million-dollar question each season. I'm fine with that. I think we would all agree we don't want to see someone handed a "gift stack", but having one or two players at least reach that question - even if they don't play it - is decent. I'm sure we'd all lose a lot of interest in the show if it happened 10 times a season.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'247622\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 11:59 AM\']
I would like to see a question 14 about once a season.
However, IIRC, we HAVE seen at least one million-dollar question each season. I'm fine with that. I think we would all agree we don't want to see someone handed a "gift stack", but having one or two players at least reach that question - even if they don't play it - is decent. I'm sure we'd all lose a lot of interest in the show if it happened 10 times a season.
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Especially now that they cast the show, they should be able to find players who can get to the last question of a reasonable stack and maybe, once a year, answer it. The show is on every weekday, for heavens' sake. If that blows a daytime budget, that to me is reason to do without a daytime show. Or lower the prize money and change the name of the show.
Oh for the days of Jim Perry's Card Sharks, when one did have the chance to win $28,800 but they didn't talk about it all the time because it wasn't terribly likely.
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Caught my first episode of the new season today. Disappointed to see contestants using jumps on "trivia easy" questions ([color=\"#FFFFFF\"]"what was the Earl of Sandwich doing while eating the first sandwich" and ESPECIALLY "which insurance company has the perky girl in the white outfit in its ads?"[/color]) but it's to be expected given who they cast for this version.
The biggest difference for me this season was that I saw it. I've watched the syndie version less than ten times up to this point. They took a show that was long in the tooth, and injected enough variety to (hopefully) bring people back. If anything's going to keep it from returning, it's the sheer age of the show, rather than this format. I would imagine a certain number of people jumped ship when $16,000 became rarefied air, or a clock suddenly accompanied all the decisions.
Did the Star Wheel really sully those last five years of Match Game?
-Jason
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On the ep today, they had the full credit roll- and I noticed Jay Wolpert listed as a "consultant"- is that new?
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It is new. He made a lot of what you see now. Michael Davies was a consultant also (he's no longer the EP).
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'247622\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 11:59 AM\']In my area the show is only on a digital channel which I can't get (but my parents can...),[/quote]
For many the solution would be as easy as walking up a flight of stairs. ;)
I'm going to watch Millionaire when I can. The show was engaging for me and I'm surprised at the fact that I enjoyed hearing the contestants talk over their answers once again. Time will tell if it stays engaging; here's hoping it will.
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What does Regis think of the new format? Here is the interview with Meredith from today's "Live!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HMyjpxfEo (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HMyjpxfEo\")
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'247631\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:49 PM\']Did the Star Wheel really sully those last five years of Match Game?[/quote]If you're Richard Dawson and your trademark part of the show is now left up to chance, yes. If you're a contestant and now have a chance to double your payday with no additional work or risk? Course not.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'245983\' date=\'Aug 16 2010, 02:22 PM\']Sounds like a neat idea for a game show....
...but it's not millionaire anymore.[/quote]
I'm replying....to myself. I know.
It's a neat format....but my prediction stands (hey, that sounds like a good career move for me!). It's just not millionaire.
Sorry Jay, this one you should not have tinkered with. You've jumped the shark with this.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'247663\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 06:34 PM\']It's a neat format....but my prediction stands (hey, that sounds like a good career move for me!). It's just not millionaire.
Sorry Jay, this one you should not have tinkered with. You've jumped the shark with this.[/quote]
I think you're contradicting yourself here. You say it's a neat format. Past formats and name notwithstanding, isn't that a good thing? If it's a good format, it's a good format.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'247665\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 09:40 PM\']I think you're contradicting yourself here. You say it's a neat format. Past formats and name notwithstanding, isn't that a good thing? If it's a good format, it's a good format.[/quote]
Not if you see a show called "Millionaire," turn it on, and see that for all intents and purposes, it isn't Millionaire.
(I haven't seen the show this season. Or last season. Or the season before last, even. I'm just trying to spell out the logic.)
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'247665\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 09:40 PM\']I think you're contradicting yourself here. You say it's a neat format. Past formats and name notwithstanding, isn't that a good thing? If it's a good format, it's a good format.[/quote]
If I went to a football game, and as the game started, both teams put on skates, grabbed long L-shaped sticks, and then spent the duration of the game trying to push a small black object into a net, I'd be entertained, but I would be irked at the lack of football.
I, too, am disappointed that the new "Millionaire" isn't really "Millionaire," but not very. My general sentiment is somewhere on the order of "meh"
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'247675\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 09:51 PM\']If I went to a football game, and as the game started, both teams put on skates, grabbed long L-shaped sticks, and then spent the duration of the game trying to push a small black object into a net, I'd be entertained, but I would be irked at the lack of football.[/quote]
And if I went to a football game, and saw guys in a jersey and shorts trying to kick a round ball past a goalkeeper for 90 minutes, I would know that I live in a heavily Hispanic community, and that I am watching football.
And if I went to Australia for football, and the losing team had 80 points, and the field is 160 meters long, I'd know that I am watching football.
Every country seems to have a slightly different format for the show. The question in my mind is, at what point does that format not fit the implied contract that the viewer has with the show? This, I do not know.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'247675\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 07:51 PM\']If I went to a football game, and as the game started, both teams put on skates, grabbed long L-shaped sticks, and then spent the duration of the game trying to push a small black object into a net,[/quote]
...then football would be AWESOME. :D
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'247696\' date=\'Sep 16 2010, 01:07 AM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'247675\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 07:51 PM\']If I went to a football game, and as the game started, both teams put on skates, grabbed long L-shaped sticks, and then spent the duration of the game trying to push a small black object into a net,[/quote]
...then football would be AWESOME. :D[/quote]
I probably expected this, but I lol'd anyway.
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That depends on whether we're talking IIHF rules or Bettman rules.
(Away with the GD trapezoid already.)
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For many the solution would be as easy as walking up a flight of stairs. ;)
Not for me...I moved out of their house in 1989! :)
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Not sure if this deserves its own thread, so I thought I'd stick it here...
Meredith Vieira was on Live with Regis and Kelly on Wednesday; anyone see it? I am curious to know what Regis thought of this season's changes...
Fred
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[quote name=\'efbyon\' post=\'247728\' date=\'Sep 16 2010, 11:30 AM\']Meredith Vieira was on Live with Regis and Kelly on Wednesday; anyone see it? I am curious to know what Regis thought of this season's changes...[/quote]
There was a link just one page back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HMyjpxfEo (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HMyjpxfEo\")
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'247655\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 07:45 PM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'247631\' date=\'Sep 15 2010, 12:49 PM\']Did the Star Wheel really sully those last five years of Match Game?[/quote]If you're Richard Dawson and your trademark part of the show is now left up to chance, yes. If you're a contestant and now have a chance to double your payday with no additional work or risk? Course not.
[/quote]
I'd classify not being able to choose Richard Dawson as additional risk.
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With Week 1 of WWTBAM syndie season nine in the time capsule, $51150 has been awarded to the contestants for those five shows. This figure includes the $1000 consolation money for the players who lost their banks but not the cash earned by the current player since his game hasn't been completed. For those of you who keep track of such things, how does this compare with average non-special event weeks of the syndicated edition of the program in previous seasons?
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Well one thing they haven't done in syndication yet is happening- next week (plus 9/27) is a celeb week... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/celebrity-millionaire-week-begins-monday-september-20th/\")
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'247794\' date=\'Sep 17 2010, 04:39 PM\']Well one thing they haven't done in syndication yet is happening- next week (plus 9/27) is a celeb week... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/celebrity-millionaire-week-begins-monday-september-20th/\")[/quote]With help allowed until a certain point, I suspect. At least Patricia Heaton isn't on the docket for this. Her alone could take the six days. I'm booked all next week when the show plays anyhow. This just means I don't have to worry about setting the VCR. Stupid celebrity "special" crap. I hate it.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'247794\' date=\'Sep 17 2010, 04:39 PM\']Well one thing they haven't done in syndication yet is happening- next week (plus 9/27) is a celeb week... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/celebrity-millionaire-week-begins-monday-september-20th/\")[/quote]
Of all the weeks to break my foot and dislocate my arm....
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'247833\' date=\'Sep 18 2010, 09:30 AM\'][quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'247794\' date=\'Sep 17 2010, 04:39 PM\']Well one thing they haven't done in syndication yet is happening- next week (plus 9/27) is a celeb week... (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/celebrity-millionaire-week-begins-monday-september-20th/\")[/quote]
Of all the weeks to break my foot and dislocate my arm....
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There is no extra help for the celebrities.
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There is a 10k minimum for the celebs, though.
And now that I've seen it, there's enough aesthetically different to me that I can't call it Millionaire. Game's okay, though
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Is the any place (other than the daily airing) where you can view the Millionaire episodes? YouTube and www.millionairetv.com don't have it and my VCR is on the fritz.
The new format DEFINITELY makes it harder for civilians to win, much less celebs. Hey, sometimes the truth isn't pretty.