The Game Show Forum
The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JMFabiano on July 21, 2010, 06:18:11 PM
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Forgive me if this was already discussed, but does WOF really have a "lifetime" ban on anyone who appeared in any of the NBC or CBS versions? And if so, are they really doing it to keep people from talking about said versions?
/Given what age of contestant they seem to want, would they ever encounter anyone old enough to have been on it?
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'244625\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 03:18 PM\']Forgive me if this was already discussed, but does WOF really have a "lifetime" ban on anyone who appeared in any of the NBC or CBS versions? And if so, are they really doing it to keep people from talking about said versions?[/quote]
As for the latter, I can't imagine that'd be the only reason, if indeed the rule is there. It's way too easy to just tell the player "Hey, we won't talk about that" before taping.
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Excuse me, but GOD what an annoying site that TV Tropes is! Apparently, it's a haven for people who think that Wikipedia is far too stodgy and reliable.
I'm not finding the specific reference to a lifetime ban on the Wheel of Fortune page, mostly because I couldn't spend more than a few minutes reading through the countless examples before my eyes started to bleed. Apparently, ANYTHING that was once part of the show, but now isn't part of the show, everything from shopping for prizes to the Buy A Vowel space, is guilty of 'Chuck Cunningham Syndrome'. And a player trying to make more money by continuing to spin even after he knows the puzzle? According to the site, such a person is a 'Jerkass'.
Best as I can tell, if you were to combine Wikipedia with Jump The Shark, then take away anything that is remotely good, interesting or useful about either site, what you'd be left with is something still not remotely as obnoxious as TV Tropes. Someone pulling out of his butt that the reason for a lifetime ban is to keep contestants from talking about earlier versions seems to be pretty typical of the nonsense you'll find there. Without naming names, I also found the writing style (and some of the specific examples) to be very familiar, and consistent with some issues we've had here regarding accuracy and common sense.
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I like TV Tropes. I think it's a great and funny site, and in some cases, better than wikipedia.
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From wheeloffortune.com...
"You are not eligible to be a contestant on Wheel of Fortune if you have appeared on any version of the show - including the daytime version (with Pat Sajak, Chuck Woolery, Bob Goen or other hosts), Teen Week (or any special week), or "Wheel 2000".
Doesn't say lifetime verbatim, but it's pretty well implied.
-Jason
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TVTropes is a ridiculously addicting site. I go there vowing "Just one article. Just one" and end up spending the whole damn night there.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'244668\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 11:39 PM\']"You are not eligible to be a contestant on Wheel of Fortune if you have appeared on any version of the show - including..."Wheel 2000".)[/quote]Hm, that kind of sucks. Wasting your lifetime eligibility for the show on the chance to win limo service or a week. Interesting that Jeopardy doesn't mention anything about their spin-offs in their rules, like Jep or Rock & Roll Jeopardy.
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I'm going on 6-year-old memories, but I may have recalled seeing that you couldn't be a contestant on Wheel if you were a contestant on Jeopardy.
/When I went to the tapings in Philly, they had Eligibility Rules displayed in various places, including, I believe on the projection screens, which is where I picked this up from
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'244674\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 08:57 PM\']I'm going on 6-year-old memories, but I may have recalled seeing that you couldn't be a contestant on Wheel if you were a contestant on Jeopardy.[/quote]
Don't think so. They'd have to take Jason Block's money away, since he's been on both.
--Charlie
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'244674\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 08:57 PM\']I'm going on 6-year-old memories, but I may have recalled seeing that you couldn't be a contestant on Wheel if you were a contestant on Jeopardy.[/quote]Jason Block was on both, to varying degrees of success.
EDIT: SCREW YOU, PEVEY! :)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244677\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 09:03 PM\']EDIT: SCREW YOU, PEVEY! :)[/quote]
JINX! (:))
--Charlie
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[quote name='JasonA1' post='244668' date='Jul 21 2010, 11:39 PM']"You are not eligible to be a contestant on Wheel of Fortune if you have appeared on any version of the show - including the daytime version (with Pat Sajak, Chuck Woolery, Bob Goen or other hosts), Teen Week (or any special week), or "Wheel 2000"."
Doesn't say lifetime verbatim, but it's pretty well implied.[/quote]
...Wow. The show doesn't forget, but it doesn't want to remember either. And a special hello to Rolf Benirschke and Edd Byrnes, who are ostensibly the "other hosts".
[quote name='chad1m' post='244672' date='Jul 21 2010, 11:47 PM']Hm, that kind of sucks. Wasting your lifetime eligibility for the show on the chance to win limo service or a week.[/quote]
Or a home computer, or some blimp rides, or...something else the bonus round offered. And I'm betting those kids weren't told that beforehand...so yeah, that does suck.
[quote name='J.R.' post='244670' date='Jul 21 2010, 11:43 PM']TVTropes is a ridiculously addicting site. I go there vowing "Just one article. Just one" and end up spending the whole damn night there.[/quote]
This is how it draws you in (http://"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife"), my friend.
"Ooh, this Trope looks interesting!"
(click...click...click...)
"It's three in the morning, go to bed."
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[quote name=\'gameshowlover87\' post=\'244665\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 11:26 PM\']I like TV Tropes. I think it's a great and funny site[/quote]
[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'244670\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 11:43 PM\']TVTropes is a ridiculously addicting site.[/quote]
I get the appeal. I only want to point out that not everything that's addictive is good for you. In fact, very few addictive things are.
I think my problems are twofold. One is the accuracy issue. On the main page, contributors are specifically told that they don't need to verify anything, and for way too many folks, that means it's OK to say whatever you want, whether you know it to be true or not. That means a LOT of false information is going to be published, not to mention opinion presented as fact, and people (like the OP of this thread) are going to be, at best, legitimately confused. That's not good for something that's laid out like a reference site, whether it's intended to be one or not.
My second problem is that the site's basic layout, featuring lists of examples which fit various subjects, doesn't give priority to the best or most notable examples. In a category of magical transformation phrases, for example, Captain Marvel's "Shazam!" is given exactly the same weight as -- and I'm not making this up -- "a failed cartoon pilot based on the video game series Battletoads". Elsewhere on that same list, one contributor challenged the internal logic and consistency of a cartoon series about a superpowered teddy bear. Also, as on just about any user-driven site of this type, anime and manga are preposterously over-represented compared to their real-life relevance.
Yeah, sure, it's addictive, maybe even entertaining if you look at it right. To me, though, it just represents most of what's wrong with the internet, all packed inside one convenient URL.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244684\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 09:16 PM\']Yeah, sure, it's addictive, maybe even entertaining if you look at it right. To me, though, it just represents most of what's wrong with the internet, all packed inside one convenient URL.[/quote]I think next time I visit my Nana, I'm going to have her make a sampler out of that for me.
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I've seen a couple of the pages over the last couple of years. While the site doesn't drive me up a wall, I could do without the obscure anime references.
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Eh, different strokes, for different folks.
I happen to love TVTropes...my personal favorite is the "Crowning Moment of Heartwarming" section in Troper Tales...it's just the thing for a quick pick-me-up if life is getting me down.
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I just want to say that I'm finding this thread to be VERY informative, about more than a few things.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244663\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 08:19 PM\']And a player trying to make more money by continuing to spin even after he knows the puzzle? According to the site, such a person is a 'Jerkass'.[/quote]
I've never been more proud than I am right now.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244686\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 12:20 AM\']I've seen a couple of the pages over the last couple of years. While the site doesn't drive me up a wall, I could do without the obscure anime references.[/quote]
Are there any other types of anime references?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244663\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 10:19 PM\']Without naming names, I also found the writing style (and some of the specific examples) to be very familiar, and consistent with some issues we've had here regarding accuracy and common sense.[/quote]
Those names are freely available to anyone who wants to see them--if you click 'page history' at the top of any page, it will usually identify who's making the edits to these pages. For example, here's Wheel's edit page (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.WheelOfFortune\").
Unsurprisingly, most of the game show articles on that site are pretty much entirely 'controlled', for a lack of a better word, by two particular individuals that the rest of us probably think are the last two individuals who should be allowed to do so.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'244708\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 09:45 AM\']Those names are freely available to anyone who wants to see them--if you click 'page history' at the top of any page, it will usually identify who's making the edits to these pages. For example, here's Wheel's edit page (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.WheelOfFortune\").
Unsurprisingly, most of the game show articles on that site are pretty much entirely 'controlled', for a lack of a better word, by two particular individuals that the rest of us probably think are the last two individuals who should be allowed to do so.[/quote]
Stunned, I tell you. Stunned.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244706\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 09:07 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244686\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 12:20 AM\']I've seen a couple of the pages over the last couple of years. While the site doesn't drive me up a wall, I could do without the obscure anime references.[/quote]
Are there any other types of anime references?
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Duly noted. ;-)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244685\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 12:20 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244684\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 09:16 PM\']Yeah, sure, it's addictive, maybe even entertaining if you look at it right. To me, though, it just represents most of what's wrong with the internet, all packed inside one convenient URL.[/quote]I think next time I visit my Nana, I'm going to have her make a sampler out of that for me.
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Sampler worked by Great Nana Eberle in silk on linen, 1857: http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4500/sampler.jpg (http://\"http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4500/sampler.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244711\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 10:15 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'244708\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 09:45 AM\']Those names are freely available to anyone who wants to see them--if you click 'page history' at the top of any page, it will usually identify who's making the edits to these pages. For example, here's Wheel's edit page (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.WheelOfFortune\").
Unsurprisingly, most of the game show articles on that site are pretty much entirely 'controlled', for a lack of a better word, by two particular individuals that the rest of us probably think are the last two individuals who should be allowed to do so.[/quote]
Stunned, I tell you. Stunned.
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Stunned is the only word for how...STUNNED I am!
I think next time I visit my Nana, I'm going to have her make a sampler out of that for me.
And to round off my above remark...
http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/img/produ...1481&s=catl (http://\"http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/img/product/resized/00111481-204822_500.jpg?k=ef57a340&pid=111481&s=catl\")
OT: The original quote is no longer there, I see...for those who missed out, it implied that they were doing this "ban" on purpose to keep people from mentioning the past versions, to make the current show look better since mentioning the old ones would bring to light its "deterioration."
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'244718\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:04 AM\']OT: The original quote is no longer there, I see...for those who missed out, it implied that they were doing this "ban" on purpose to keep people from mentioning the past versions, to make the current show look better since mentioning the old ones would bring to light its "deterioration."[/quote]
I could see not allowing contestants from prior eras (NBC/syndie/CBS) in order to keep the contestant pool fresh, but I'm thinking shenanigans on the reason you brought up (I know you're just the messenger, just sayin'). The current run of TPiR has almost three years on Wheel, and it's never been an issue there.
I could maybe even see not confusing recent viewers who might say "Wait...buying prizes? Dalmatians? On Account?" But the deterioration thing just seems odd. Besides, the syndicated version starts season 28 this fall. Some could argue the show has "deteriorated" even compared to 1983.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'244718\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:04 AM\']OT: The original quote is no longer there, I see...for those who missed out, it implied that they were doing this "ban" on purpose to keep people from mentioning the past versions, to make the current show look better since mentioning the old ones would bring to light its "deterioration."[/quote]
Opinion presented as fact. I'm surprised there's not a Trope for that.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244720\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 10:17 AM\']Opinion presented as fact. I'm surprised there's not a Trope for that.[/quote]
Yeah, especially since it happens all the time in anime.
-M
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244719\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:15 AM\']I could maybe even see not confusing recent viewers who might say "Wait...buying prizes? Dalmatians? On Account?"[/quote]
Doesn't Pat even bring up shopping by himself from time to time? I'm pretty sure he's mentioned Chuck once or twice, too, if, say, they have a contestant whose mom or dad was on the show in the '70s.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'244726\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:45 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244719\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:15 AM\']I could maybe even see not confusing recent viewers who might say "Wait...buying prizes? Dalmatians? On Account?"[/quote]
Doesn't Pat even bring up shopping by himself from time to time? I'm pretty sure he's mentioned Chuck once or twice, too, if, say, they have a contestant whose mom or dad was on the show in the '70s.
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I remember Pat once making the joke that some of his fan mail consists of viewers asking when Chuck was coming back from vacation- and that was sometime in the mid 2000s when he said that.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'244708\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 06:45 AM\']Unsurprisingly, most of the game show articles on that site are pretty much entirely 'controlled', for a lack of a better word, by two particular individuals that the rest of us probably think are the last two individuals who should be allowed to do so.[/quote]
Not that I really needed it after Matt's review, but this is all of the evidence I need to never ever ever go to that site, or indeed trust any of the information contained therein. Ever.
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I realize I'm coming way late to the party, but this needs to be said:
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244684\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 09:16 PM\']To me, though, it just represents most of what's wrong with the internet, all packed inside one convenient URL.[/quote]
You've never heard of 4chan, have you? Encyclopaedia Dramatica, perhaps?
TVTropes is like candy the way those sites are like bleach.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244715\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 10:43 AM\'][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244706\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 09:07 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244686\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 12:20 AM\']I've seen a couple of the pages over the last couple of years. While the site doesn't drive me up a wall, I could do without the obscure anime references.[/quote]
Are there any other types of anime references?
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Duly noted. ;-)
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Next thing you know, we'll be accused of being some sort of game show otaku.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244706\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 08:07 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244686\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 12:20 AM\']I've seen a couple of the pages over the last couple of years. While the site doesn't drive me up a wall, I could do without the obscure anime references.[/quote]
Are there any other types of anime references?
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You know, I'm the anime game show guy and I agree wholeheartedly with this.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244684\' date=\'Jul 21 2010, 09:16 PM\']Yeah, sure, it's addictive, maybe even entertaining if you look at it right. To me, though, it just represents most of what's wrong with the internet, all packed inside one convenient URL.[/quote]Just like Wikipedia, I like the idea of TV Tropes, but the people who are allowed to contribute ruin it.
There's an episode of Frasier where Martin tries to juggle two dates on the same night. It would be nice to have a repository of all of the times where 2 Dates, 1 Night was used. Or when Lore was Data's evil twin on ST:TNG. Or the instances of Main Character Gets On Game Show, Fails Spectacularly, or We Should Kiss Passionately and See If That Resolves Our Differences. And so on. But self-appointed experts draw from their own knowledge, so you have overload on manga and anime, and so on. And that makes sense, if that's what the experts are into. But I'm not, so I don't give a darn about that. Sadly, there's no sort of qualification exam that you could take (like Britain's A-levels, I think) to get an operator's license for this sort of thing. I question the idea that the Bonus Round is a trope. That's a mechanic. Not the same.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244787\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:42 PM\']I question the idea that the Bonus Round is a trope. That's a mechanic. Not the same.[/quote]
Reminds me of Jon Wood's old site, where he did something very similar, i.e. "10-in-60 Bonus Rounds", "Balloon/Confetti Drops for Big Wins", "Wins Highlighted During the Intro", etc.
That would be a much better classification system...unfortunately, my contributions would probably never see the light of day because I'd be considered...well, you know..."normal".
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244787\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 08:42 PM\']or We Should Kiss Passionately and See If That Resolves Our Differences.[/quote]
For no apparently reason I'm thinking about the Scooby Doo thread.
/looking at you, Velma and Daphne
But self-appointed experts draw from their own knowledge
Or lack thereof, in these specific cases.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244789\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 08:52 PM\']Reminds me of Jon Wood's old site, where he did something very similar, i.e. "10-in-60 Bonus Rounds", "Balloon/Confetti Drops for Big Wins", "Wins Highlighted During the Intro", etc.[/quote]I know it well, I contributed a list idea of shows where the champion enters the fray at some point after the game has begun (Now You See It, Face the Music, Hit Man, and so on.)
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244787\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 11:42 PM\']But self-appointed experts draw from their own knowledge, so you have overload on manga and anime, and so on[/quote]
"and so on" primarily consisting of comic books, british tv, sci-fi books, webcomics, video games, and other cartoons. In other words, it's not just an anime/manga thing, it's a full-on nerd thing, and in their minds, TV Tropes is just another way to have a pissing contest.
But for someone like me who's just interested in amusement and wouldn't rely on it for anything important, it's perfectly fine.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244787\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 10:42 PM\']Or the instances of Main Character Gets On Game Show, Fails Spectacularly,[/quote]
Like this? (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GameShowAppearance\")
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'244811\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 09:33 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'244787\' date=\'Jul 22 2010, 10:42 PM\']Or the instances of Main Character Gets On Game Show, Fails Spectacularly,[/quote]
Like this? (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GameShowAppearance\")
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I couldn't get past the ridiculous edits from that same SHOCKING! source. I understand everyone needs a hobby but jeez...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244813\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:05 AM\']I couldn't get past the ridiculous edits from that same SHOCKING! source. I understand everyone needs a hobby but jeez...[/quote]
For me, I couldn't get past the most recent edit, where the above source made one change, altering the tense of a verb. Seth and Amy would like to chime in, but it's too damn hot to do extra work today. :-P
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244817\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:33 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244813\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:05 AM\']I couldn't get past the ridiculous edits from that same SHOCKING! source. I understand everyone needs a hobby but jeez...[/quote]
For me, I couldn't get past the most recent edit, where the above source made one change, altering the tense of a verb. Seth and Amy would like to chime in, but it's too damn hot to do extra work today. :-P
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Enjoy the A/C! I'll gladly do the honors. (http://\"http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jX693LClr-0/S-ZDIcTbJTI/AAAAAAAADCQ/L72YCpaMy90/s1600/snl_really.jpg&imgrefurl=http://donmillerjournal.blogspot.com/2010/05/weekend-trader-part-2-market-crash.html&usg=__WpWa-b68pGZ5P5ckJ5f40sSQ0hQ=&h=322&w=546&sz=34&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=9Tm6ILTEx3Y9qM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSeth%2BMeyers%2BAmy%2BPoehler%2BReally%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1126%26bih%3D583%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1\")
/Didn't realize the TVTropes game show section was the equivalent of high school English class
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244817\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:33 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244813\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:05 AM\']I couldn't get past the ridiculous edits from that same SHOCKING! source. I understand everyone needs a hobby but jeez...[/quote]
For me, I couldn't get past the most recent edit, where the above source made one change, altering the tense of a verb. Seth and Amy would like to chime in, but it's too damn hot to do extra work today. :-P[/quote]
My new game (OK, this actually is addicting) is to see how long it takes me to get annoyed at something. This time, it was the idea (reported as fact) that David Letterman staffers were fired because they didn't know ther rules to Master Key.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'244824\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 11:22 AM\']My new game (OK, this actually is addicting) is to see how long it takes me to get annoyed at something. This time, it was the idea (reported as fact) that David Letterman staffers were fired because they didn't know ther rules to Master Key.[/quote]
Dan Benfield pulling something out of his keester and claiming it's 100% fact?! That's crazy talk, Matt! He'd never sometimes occasionally frequently do that without batting an eye.
/Continuation of previous statement here!
//And here!
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244826\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 08:45 AM\']Dan Benfield pulling something out of his keester and claiming it's 100% fact?![/quote]
Is there a way to tell what, erm, "contributions" belong to what people?
Not questioning, just curious, and not willing to throw away the blood-pressure points to go look myself. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'244829\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 12:47 PM\'][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244826\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 08:45 AM\']Dan Benfield pulling something out of his keester and claiming it's 100% fact?![/quote]
Is there a way to tell what, erm, "contributions" belong to what people?
Not questioning, just curious, and not willing to throw away the blood-pressure points to go look myself. :)
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Doesn't look like it. Just has the editor's name at the top, and the specific edits made to each contribution.
The finished list is nothing more than numbered entries, with no attributions.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244831\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 09:58 AM\']Doesn't look like it. Just has the editor's name at the top, and the specific edits made to each contribution.
The finished list is nothing more than numbered entries, with no attributions.[/quote]
Okay. So the cited Letterman example, while certainly something Benfieldian in nature, is not necessarily his work, am I correct? (Again, just wondering.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'244829\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 12:47 PM\'][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244826\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 08:45 AM\']Dan Benfield pulling something out of his keester and claiming it's 100% fact?![/quote]
Is there a way to tell what, erm, "contributions" belong to what people?
Not questioning, just curious, and not willing to throw away the blood-pressure points to go look myself. :)[/quote]
For what Matt and I were referring? The link mentioned earlier (http://\"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GameShowAppearance\"), about 1/4 the way down the page. Danny Boy has since added "Turns out that nobody got fired for screwing up.." Again to the stage, the wacky duo of Seth and Amy.
For anything else, damn if I know. I avoid contributing to sites like TV Tropes and Wikipedia, pretty much because of duos like Peacock and Benfield (http://\"http://www.filmizle5.com/vidresim/Salak-ile-Avanak-8211-Dumb-and-Dumber.jpg\").
EDIT: ...or what you and Brandon said up there while I was crafting my reply.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'244832\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 01:04 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244831\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 09:58 AM\']Doesn't look like it. Just has the editor's name at the top, and the specific edits made to each contribution.
The finished list is nothing more than numbered entries, with no attributions.[/quote]
Okay. So the cited Letterman example, while certainly something Benfieldian in nature, is not necessarily his work, am I correct? (Again, just wondering.)
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That, I'm not sure about. I got the impression that the name at the top referred to all edits made by the author on that page. I could be wrong.
And like Mike, crap like that is exactly why I hate contributing useful info to sites like Wiki or TVTropes. I understand the need for accuracy, but I'd prefer an IMDb or former Jump The Shark method, where someone can bring the mistake to my attention, or I can edit as needed. But don't turn around and delete my hard work because it's not up to YOUR subjective standards (the TRASH article comes to mind), at least not if it's factually and grammatically correct. That is just a slap in the face.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244833\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 10:05 AM\']EDIT: ...or what you and Brandon said up there while I was crafting my reply.[/quote]
Well, I'm still confused, but I think it's clearing up. So it's a Wiki. Which means if you are willing to slog through the revision history, and the people who made those edits are willing to not be anonymous (fortunately for us, in the case of those two yahoos, ignorance truly is bliss), you can find out who wrote what, or at the minimum whether our own versions of Harry and Lloyd were involved.
Do I have it now?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'244835\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 01:13 PM\']Well, I'm still confused, but I think it's clearing up. So it's a Wiki. Which means if you are willing to slog through the revision history, and the people who made those edits are willing to not be anonymous (fortunately for us, in the case of those two yahoos, ignorance truly is bliss), you can find out who wrote what, or at the minimum whether our own versions of Harry and Lloyd were involved.
Do I have it now?[/quote]
If it looks like a Wiki and acts like a Wiki... I think you're spot on.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244833\' date=\'Jul 23 2010, 01:05 PM\']Danny Boy has since added "Turns out that nobody got fired for screwing up..."[/quote]
Clearly, that wasn't backpedaling.
Dan (since it's obvious you're reading this), the issue isn't whether anybody got fired, or even whether anybody screwed up. They weren't doing a documentary on the pricing game Master Key, they were doing a comedy bit. The issue is you completely inventing the notion that anyone got fired in the first place. You couldn't have had any evidence of that. You made it up, and posted it as if it was true. This is ther sort of thing that gets you in trouble, and posting somewhere where you don't have to prove anything isn't helping you break yourself of that habit.