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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: MyronMMeyer on July 10, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
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So, everyone here will want to head on over to their local Barnes and Noble and pick up the newest issue of Esquire magazine. It's the one with Bill Clinton and "Impossible" on the cover.
Flip over to page 96, and you'll see a picture of a smiling fellow named Terry Kneiss. He's wearing a t-shirt that says "Las Vegas Loves the Price is Right" and standing next to a Big Green Egg grill. There's a big ole' article about the day he made a perfect big on his Showcase. You'll want to read it.
And no, it's not at Esquire.com. You'll have to hard-copy this one.
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'243893\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 12:52 PM\']There's a big ole' article about the day he made a perfect big on his Showcase. You'll want to read it.[/quote]
Is he still claiming it was all his doing?
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'243893\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 03:52 PM\']You'll want to read it.[/quote]No, I don't think I will. This guy's 15 minutes (really, 7˝ since he should be splitting it) ran out a long time ago and whatever promotion he's trying to stir up for himself is lame.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243895\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 04:23 PM\'][quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'243893\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 12:52 PM\']There's a big ole' article about the day he made a perfect big on his Showcase. You'll want to read it.[/quote]Is he still claiming it was all his doing?[/quote]
Short answer: yes. It's actually a very, very interesting article, long and detailed. It's also written by the same Esquire scribe who handled the Roger Ebert profile a while back. Chris Jones now officially becomes my favorite Esquire writer. And no, I couldn't name another one. It starts out as a mostly flattering profile of Kniess and recounts, from his perspective, exactly what happened that day. Then you get a quote from Drew, who says, "Yeah, but that's not what happened. There was that guy in the audience. Ted." And then we get what Paul Harvey taught us to call "the rest of the story". Ted gets a slightly shorter but no less detailed and, again, mostly flattering profile, where he proceeds to tell how he helped everybody that day. He also punches some pretty big holes in Kniess' version.
I don't know which stories have been told online, but the way Kniess tells it in the article, he was working with pretty good ideas -- but not exact figures -- for his Showcase prizes. He'd come up with a round number of $23,000 and tacked on the unusual "743" at the end because it was his PIN number, based on his wedding date of 7 April and his wife's birth month, March. Ted later points out that "nobody ever needs a three-digit PIN."
Anyway, Carey is quoted, Barker is quoted, Greco and Richards are mentioned, Michael Larson is referenced, and there are several references to the online fan community in general. Best of all, nobody's made to look silly. The show and its fans are respected, just not treated with the reverence some of those very fans might have wanted. Definitely worth a read.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243903\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 05:06 PM\']Ted later points out that "nobody ever needs a three-digit PIN."[/quote]
As much as I agree with Chad that these folks' 15 minutes are long since expired, there is a large pile of PWNED in this statement. :)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243903\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 08:06 PM\']Anyway, Carey is quoted, Barker is quoted, Greco and Richards are mentioned, Michael Larson is referenced, and there are several references to the online fan community in general.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity...what is Barker's quote? I'd assume it to be a bit different than how the folks running the show at the time embraced the situation.
I'll pick one up, but stuck at work all weekend for now.
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Although I stand by my original statement, what the article sounds like is not at all what I was expecting and I'm definitely interested in checking it out.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'243905\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 08:18 PM\']Just out of curiosity...what is Barker's quote? I'd assume it to be a bit different than how the folks running the show at the time embraced the situation.[/quote]
"Oh, I would have run with that, you bet," Barker says today from his happy retirement.
The context is exactly what you think. The author is comparing Drew's lack of enthusiasm with the way Barker (and, by extension, Roger who is also mentioned) would have handled it. On the other hand, Drew (who, as always, speaks candidly) is given the chance to make a very good case about why he did what he did. You need to buy the issue for the entertainingly expletive-laden version, but basically, Drew and company thought they had a huge scandal on their hands and that the show would never air.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'243896\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 01:27 PM\']No, I don't think I will. This guy's 15 minutes (really, 7˝ since he should be splitting it) ran out a long time ago and whatever promotion he's trying to stir up for himself is lame.[/quote]I think they should bring Terry back for a Tournament of Champions to see just how well he'd do, except this time put the house lights down on the audience. I predict high-larity.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243903\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 05:06 PM\']Best of all, nobody's made to look silly. The show and its fans are respected, just not treated with the reverence some of those very fans might have wanted. Definitely worth a read.[/quote]I'm surprised at this. I think it would be very easy to do the print-version of the eyeroll and affect a mockumentary style. Kudos to the author for not taking the easy way out. As to the reverence point, I have this to ask of Ted, and many of the members of golden-road.net: can you partition my hard drive? Can you change my oil? What about cook dinner for me? Congratulations, you can memorize a bunch of numbers and link them to stuff you can buy. What skills do you have outside of Studio 33?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243904\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 08:14 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243903\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 05:06 PM\']Ted later points out that "nobody ever needs a three-digit PIN."[/quote]
As much as I agree with Chad that these folks' 15 minutes are long since expired, there is a large pile of PWNED in this statement. :)
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Not only that, but what fool would explain their PIN through an article? Yes, I know the chances of someone else ending up with an ATM card may be a longshot, but I'm just sayin'...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243916\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 09:32 PM\']Not only that, but what fool would explain their PIN through an article?[/quote]
The same kind of fool who would continue to claim that his perfect bid was made with no outside assistance, despite about fifteen tons of easily-verifiable evidence to the contrary?
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I think they should bring Terry back for a Tournament of Champions to see just how well he'd do, except this time put the house lights down on the audience. I predict high-larity.
I think they should plant Ted Slauson in the audience but this time pay him $10,000 to give bogus signals.
DREW: What do you bid on that motor home?
TERRY: Uh, 420, Drew.
The same kind of fool who would continue to claim that his perfect bid was made with no outside assistance, despite about fifteen tons of easily-verifiable evidence to the contrary?
What kind of agenda does a guy have that he engages in all this historical revisionism only to have his account shot full of holes later in the same article? I'll read the article in the library just to see this guy make an utter fool of himself, this time in print.
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[quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'243893\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 02:52 PM\']So, everyone here will want to head on over to their local Barnes and Noble and pick up the newest issue of Esquire magazine. It's the one with Bill Clinton and "Impossible" on the cover.
Flip over to page 96, and you'll see a picture of a smiling fellow named Terry Kneiss. He's wearing a t-shirt that says "Las Vegas Loves the Price is Right" and standing next to a Big Green Egg grill. There's a big ole' article about the day he made a perfect big on his Showcase. You'll want to read it.
And no, it's not at Esquire.com. You'll have to hard-copy this one.
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No thanks. What happened with Terry Kneiss and Ted Slauson was sad. It was a disservice to the other people competing, and flat out disrespectful to the show.
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243929\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 08:38 AM\'][quote name=\'MyronMMeyer\' post=\'243893\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 02:52 PM\']So, everyone here will want to head on over to their local Barnes and Noble and pick up the newest issue of Esquire magazine. It's the one with Bill Clinton and "Impossible" on the cover.
Flip over to page 96, and you'll see a picture of a smiling fellow named Terry Kneiss. He's wearing a t-shirt that says "Las Vegas Loves the Price is Right" and standing next to a Big Green Egg grill. There's a big ole' article about the day he made a perfect big on his Showcase. You'll want to read it.
And no, it's not at Esquire.com. You'll have to hard-copy this one.
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No thanks. What happened with Terry Kneiss and Ted Slauson was sad. It was a disservice to the other people competing, and flat out disrespectful to the show.
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When I see Ted Slauson's name I have an urge to repeat an old Art Fern joke.
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'243930\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 09:00 AM\']When I see Ted Slauson's name I have an urge to repeat an old Art Fern joke.[/quote]
The fork in the road?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243903\' date=\'Jul 10 2010, 07:06 PM\']Ted later points out that "nobody ever needs a three-digit PIN."[/quote]Funny that. My PIN for the time clock at work is three digits.
How I think Terry would do in a tournament of champions... (http://\"http://pylps.elitepalaces.com/terrypwned.bmp\")
[quote name=\'dazztardly\']and flat out disrespectful to the show.[/quote] Get off your high horse. The show permitted this kind of crap to exist for years with their "Loyal Friend and True" crap. They're equal to blame for allowing people like Ted access to the studio. It might have sullied the play of the game, but it was completely legitimate under the show's rules. I didn't and still don't like it, but that doesn't change the fact that nothing improper was done. The simple solution, IMO is to bar Ted from making any further appearances at Studio 33.
Now, back to stirring the baked beans. Barbecue today.
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243929\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 09:38 AM\']No thanks. What happened with Terry Kneiss and Ted Slauson was sad. It was a disservice to the other people competing, and flat out disrespectful to the show.[/quote]
I agree and disagree to an extent. IMO, the show set itself up for this by offering the same stuff over and over, and they're finally learning that. I'm sure they were aware of the G-R site (and this one too) for quite some time, but probably didn't expect there to be people memorizing prizes, ready to pull a Charlie Babbitt any moment. So in a way, they should've seen this coming, but probably knew it wasn't really worth the effort, which I can understand.
But honestly, had Terry pulled off the win then shut up about it, I would've been cool, ditto for Ted. I see it like counting cards or even pulling a Larsen in that it's not illegal, but it could be a lot more impressive if you think it's all luck and not someone finding a flaw in the system. I also agree with Chad that this guy is just hitting the snooze button to keep his 15 minutes going.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243936\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 10:02 AM\']But honestly, had Terry pulled off the win then shut up about it, I would've been cool, ditto for Ted.[/quote]And no one suspects collusion, and life goes on. It was only a disservice and disrespectful once the jig was up.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'243937\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 10:37 AM\']And no one suspects collusion, and life goes on. It was only a disservice and disrespectful once the jig was up.[/quote]
I wouldn't even apply those words then. There was nothing "wrong" with what happened. The mass majority of the douchebaggery happened when Ted started bragging about it, and amplified when this Terry fellow started insisting that Ted had nothing to do with it.
But "disservice" and "disrespectful"? I'm with Mark there: If one thinks that, one should get off their high horse.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243936\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 01:02 PM\']I agree and disagree to an extent. IMO, the show set itself up for this by offering the same stuff over and over, and they're finally learning that. I'm sure they were aware of the G-R site (and this one too) for quite some time, but probably didn't expect there to be people memorizing prizes, ready to pull a Charlie Babbitt any moment. So in a way, they should've seen this coming, but probably knew it wasn't really worth the effort, which I can understand.[/quote]
Actually, Roger was fully aware that this kind of thing was going on and even had an idea of who was doing it. He really didn't care as long as the budget was under control...if it wasn't, he'd take that person aside in the line and tell them, "I need you not to help today."
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243929\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 08:38 AM\']No thanks. What happened with Terry Kneiss and Ted Slauson was sad. It was a disservice to the other people competing, and flat out disrespectful to the show.[/quote]
With all due respect, this is a GAME SHOW, not a holy temple. There was no crime against humanity committed here.
Some people take this TPIR stuff way too personally/seriously.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'243942\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 01:40 PM\'][quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243929\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 08:38 AM\']No thanks. What happened with Terry Kneiss and Ted Slauson was sad. It was a disservice to the other people competing, and flat out disrespectful to the show.[/quote]
With all due respect, this is a GAME SHOW, not a holy temple. There was no crime against humanity committed here.
Some people take this TPIR stuff way too personally/seriously.
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When I said "the show", that goes towards the company. There's alot of hard work that goes into putting a show together. YES I agree, it's not a crime. However working in this industry it's paychecks and jobs on the line.
It's amazing how some of you armchair quarterbacks continue to act like pit bulls, when a piece of meat falls to the ground.
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243944\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:08 PM\']It's amazing how some of you armchair quarterbacks continue to act like pit bulls, when a piece of meat falls to the ground.[/quote]Mixed Metaphors for $20, please, Art.
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243944\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 02:08 PM\']It's amazing how some of you armchair quarterbacks continue to act like pit bulls, when a piece of meat falls to the ground.[/quote]
But enough about JaMarcus Russell...
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'243940\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 02:12 PM\']Actually, Roger was fully aware that this kind of thing was going on and even had an idea of who was doing it. He really didn't care as long as the budget was under control...if it wasn't, he'd take that person aside in the line and tell them, "I need you not to help today."[/quote]
I'd never heard that specific thing before, but it makes sense as part of Roger's genius, and why the LFAT adored him. When The Dob himself comes up to you personally and tells you you're too good at the game and it would be a personal favor to him if you laid low today...I mean, what higher praise could there be?
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'243944\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 03:08 PM\']When I said "the show", that goes towards the company. There's alot of hard work that goes into putting a show together. YES I agree, it's not a crime. However working in this industry it's paychecks and jobs on the line.
It's amazing how some of you armchair quarterbacks continue to act like pit bulls, when a piece of meat falls to the ground.[/quote]
If there is concern about people winning prizes on a game show, perhaps someone needs to seriously re-evaluate the show being produced.
The goal of a contestant on The Price is Right is to guess prices correctly. No one is going to lose their job if someone does.
That being said, I picked up Esquire today and this article is fascinating.
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It's important to know that everyone's quick-draw opinion of "15 minutes of fame" here isn't valid. I doubt that the author wrote this article because Terry came to him and said "hey, I have an interesting story to tell you, oh writer from Esquire." Mr. Jones sought him out, almost certainly, and he was happy to retell the story.
Going to Costco tomorrow, will check the racks to see if it's there. I love this kind of behind-the-scenes stuff.
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[quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'243956\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 05:46 PM\']It's important to know that everyone's quick-draw opinion of "15 minutes of fame" here isn't valid. I doubt that the author wrote this article because Terry came to him and said "hey, I have an interesting story to tell you, oh writer from Esquire." Mr. Jones sought him out, almost certainly, and he was happy to retell the story.[/quote]
A) you don't know that, and until you do, for certain, then and only then do you get to tell me that my opinion is invalid, and b) as you said, he was happy to retell the story, and it's still the same outright lie he's been telling from Day One.
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he'd take that person aside in the line and tell them, "I need you not to help today."
Or slip him a twenty, tell him to go buy himself a sandwich at Canter's and never set foot on the TPIR set again.
/Can you still get a sandwich at Canter's for $20? That place is so overpriced and the food is not that great.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'243971\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 03:24 AM\']Or slip him a twenty, tell him to go buy himself a sandwich at Canter's and never set foot on the TPIR set again.[/quote]
Or not.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'243954\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 07:39 PM\']The goal of a contestant on The Price is Right is to guess prices correctly. No one is going to lose their job if someone does.[/quote]
The goal of a contestant on Twenty-One was to answer questions correctly. No one was going to....oh, wait a minute....
My point being that in the moment when this was all happening, nobody knew exactly how it had happened and precisely what they were dealing with. The article does a good job of conveying that panic, and frankly helped me understand a lot better where Drew & company were coming from. Once they understood the situation, no one lost their job over it, no one got arrested, the episode aired and everybody got their prizes.
I think the card-counting analogy from the article is a very good one. When someone is good enough to take the game for a ride, there isn't anything illegal about it, and many of us can admire the effort that went into it, but the people who run the game might take a much dimmer view and put precautions in place to make sure it doesn't happen again. I can see why they might do that, and I can also see why fans of the skillful players would find that distasteful.
Seeing both sides. A GSF exclusive.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'243973\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 08:39 AM\']Seeing both sides. A GSF exclusive.[/quote]
Actually reading the article. A Matt Ottinger exclusive.
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The article is now available to read online:
http://www.esquire.com/features/impossible...erfect-bid-0810 (http://\"http://www.esquire.com/features/impossible/price-is-right-perfect-bid-0810\")
-Doug
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I think they should plant Ted Slauson in the audience but this time pay him $10,000 to give bogus signals.
The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'243977\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:06 AM\']
I think they should plant Ted Slauson in the audience but this time pay him $10,000 to give bogus signals.
The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?
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I remember that too, but I don't think it was a bidding issue. My recollection is that someone came on down when they were actually intending for someone else to come on down. And if Ted was there that day, I wouldn't recognize him anyway--I haven't been to enough tapings (although I'm going to one on August 11).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'243980\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:36 AM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'243977\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:06 AM\']
I think they should plant Ted Slauson in the audience but this time pay him $10,000 to give bogus signals.
The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?
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I remember that too, but I don't think it was a bidding issue. My recollection is that someone came on down when they were actually intending for someone else to come on down. And if Ted was there that day, I wouldn't recognize him anyway--I haven't been to enough tapings (although I'm going to one on August 11).[/quote]I seem to recall hearing an antidote that this Ted fellow was yelling out correct prices and the production staff thought it was the GSF people doing it.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'243981\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:47 AM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'243980\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:36 AM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'243977\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 11:06 AM\']
I think they should plant Ted Slauson in the audience but this time pay him $10,000 to give bogus signals.
The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?
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I remember that too, but I don't think it was a bidding issue. My recollection is that someone came on down when they were actually intending for someone else to come on down. And if Ted was there that day, I wouldn't recognize him anyway--I haven't been to enough tapings (although I'm going to one on August 11).[/quote]I seem to recall hearing an antidote that this Ted fellow was yelling out correct prices and the production staff thought it was the GSF people doing it.
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How would they know? It's not like we paraded ourselves as GSF members (at least, I don't think we did).
And just FYI, Mark, it's "anecdote", not "antidote."
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I remember that too, but I don't think it was a bidding issue. My recollection is that someone came on down when they were actually intending for someone else to come on down.
That did happen, but here's what I remember re. the bidding: I'm writing this from work so I can't access my DVD of the show from here, but I believe it was the first IUFB, the gentleman who was seated next to my wife, two seats from me and three from Don Howard yelled out something like "$1263" on the item. The contestant furthest left (from the studio audience perspective) bid $1263. The bell went off and that was a perfect bid. It's a very odd amount to get a perfect bid on. The winner knew some of the other people in our group - Jason Hernandez I believe was one of them.
In the line the guy didn't talk too much, but I'm pretty sure at one point he said he lived in Texas, had been to quite a number of tapings before and knew the prices of a lot of the items.
To the best of my memory, he didn't help anyone else out that particular show, but after reading this article it made me think it might have been him.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'243970\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 02:43 AM\'][quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'243956\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 05:46 PM\']It's important to know that everyone's quick-draw opinion of "15 minutes of fame" here isn't valid. I doubt that the author wrote this article because Terry came to him and said "hey, I have an interesting story to tell you, oh writer from Esquire." Mr. Jones sought him out, almost certainly, and he was happy to retell the story.[/quote]
A) you don't know that, and until you do, for certain, then and only then do you get to tell me that my opinion is invalid, and b) as you said, he was happy to retell the story, and it's still the same outright lie he's been telling from Day One.
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Perhaps I worded it a bit too strongly about "everyone's opinion," but I still stand by that sentence. My experience in journalism has found that it very rarely works the other way around.
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Fascinating article. Notably, Drew is quoted as saying "We'd just fired Roger Dobkowitz, and all the fan groups were upset about it". Assuming the author doesn't have a bias, I'm surprised this statement even exists -- and the "we" implies Drew had a hand in it.
And, of course, the end of the show is referred to as the "Showcase Showdown".
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[quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'243988\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:09 PM\']Perhaps I worded it a bit too strongly about "everyone's opinion," but I still stand by that sentence. My experience in journalism has found that it very rarely works the other way around.[/quote]
You're probably right, but I stand by my point (b). He sure as hell didn't say "no" and I sure as hell still don't buy his story.
Here's my favorite line:
"It's just not much fun anymore," Ted says. "It's just guessing now."
You mean, like they intended it to be in 1972? Irony just doesn't get more delicious, kids.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243989\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:15 PM\']Notably, Drew is quoted as saying "We'd just fired Roger Dobkowitz, and all the fan groups were upset about it".[/quote]
I could care less about who runs TPiR, but this does bother me. I never really refer to someone as fired unless they actually we're fired, and the "we'd" really shows that he may have had a hand in it (unlike his "I liked Roger" quotes of the past). Still, there reasons for getting rid of Rodge could be valid. I've only ever heard one side of the story, the fan side.
It's interesting. I'm sad to see that they think that people knowing the Right Price of items makes the game broken, but if this was an issue - Ted shouldn't have been in the audience. I don't think having the prices so random is good, but as long as they are using ARP, then that's all that matters, IMHO.
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'243999\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 04:29 PM\']I could care less about who runs TPiR, but this does bother me. I never really refer to someone as fired unless they actually we're fired, and the "we'd" really shows that he may have had a hand in it (unlike his "I liked Roger" quotes of the past)[/quote]
To borrow from a G-R poster, have you never heard of the "royal we"? (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural\")
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'244001\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 01:43 PM\']To borrow from a G-R poster, have you never heard of the "royal we"? (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural\")[/quote]
Fantastic point Chad, I didn't think to connect those things. I guess I just work well in a team and don't dictate over my other teammates.
Oh, and I actually had to earn my job too. ;)
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243989\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 02:15 PM\']/*slinks back into his self-imposed exile*[/quote]
Nobody cares about your posting habits.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'243989\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 03:15 PM\']Fascinating article. Notably, Drew is quoted as saying "We'd just fired Roger Dobkowitz, and all the fan groups were upset about it". Assuming the author doesn't have a bias, I'm surprised this statement even exists -- and the "we" implies Drew had a hand in it.[/quote]
I'm not seeing it. My job laid off about 15-20 employees last year. When I've brought up the layoffs in casual conversation, I've said "we", even though I didn't have anything to do with it. I don't think it implies anything other than the show he works for fired Roger Dobkowitz.
And, of course, the end of the show is referred to as the "Showcase Showdown".
From the article:
On the best game shows, the contestants go on a journey, climbing toward an almost mystical apex. The Price Is Right ends with the Showcase, the final showdown between the two players who have traveled from the audience to Contestant's Row, up onstage, through a pricing game, and past the Big Wheel.
Unless it was corrected from the print or original online version, it's correct.
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I'm reading the article now...very intriguing, and read Michi-Matt's note that this is from the same guy who gave us the Ebert article, which I thought was a friggin' masterpiece. So, I'm not surprised.
It also puts a lot of things in perspective, but I can't help feeling the crew overreacted in their handling of the situation, mainly Drew asking whether the show could air. I can understand them being pissed at Ted, considering the budget, but to penalize Terry by not airing his episode is a bit extreme IMO. That being said, I think he is trying to cover for Ted, which really isn't all that necessary since what they did was perfectly legit.
It also gives me a better view of Terry...a man who exposed a flaw, but isn't necessarily the bad guy hell-bent on his 15 minutes.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244004\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 04:00 PM\']Unless it was corrected from the print or original online version, it's correct.[/quote]
It's the same in the printed version. A few people have chosen not to read the article carefully, seeing the words "Showcase" and "showdown" (note the lower-case "s") and thinking, "ZOMG THEY GOT IT WRONG!", despite the fact the article is obviously very well researched.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'243977\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:06 PM\']The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?[/quote]
Yes. Aaron Huertas, who was in our group, bid $1063 on a set of chrome weights. The ARP was $1063. None of us gave him that bid. Guess who was a row behind us? Ted. I gave him a glare as we left because there was something I didn't like about the guy, and this was before I found out he gave the $1063 bid.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244005\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 05:11 PM\']It also puts a lot of things in perspective, but I can't help feeling the crew overreacted in their handling of the situation, mainly Drew asking whether the show could air. I can understand them being pissed at Ted, considering the budget, but to penalize Terry by not airing his episode is a bit extreme IMO.[/quote]
Once again, I really think that paragraph described the feelings and opinions that were going on in a relatively small window of time. Because after all, ultimately, how did they overreact? The show DID air and Terry DID get his prizes and his moment of fame.
Remember, people were just as crazed behind the scenes as Michael Larson was doing his thing. Is he cheating? Do we stop him? Can we air it? It's easy for us to look back on something that's already happened and say what we would do, but dealing with it in the exact moment it's happening is a different matter. I can't help thinking that even with Roger and Bob in charge, there would have been a stopdown while they figured out exactly how to go forward.
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Imagine if WOF used the same bonus puzzle every 10 days or so. How long before someone picked up on that and took advantage?
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They're Wheel contestants. It'd be a while. :)
(No offense to those who fill the intersection of "intelligent," "contestant on Wheel of Fortune" and "member of this message board," because I'm not referring to you.)
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'244007\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 04:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'243977\' date=\'Jul 12 2010, 12:06 PM\']The article mentioned Ted had been in the audience 37 times. On the Oct 5, 2006 show that several of us attended, does anybody know if this guy was in the audience that day? Something a little weird happened on one of the IUFBs. Maybe I'm wrong...Doug? Don? Mike?[/quote]
Yes. Aaron Huertas, who was in our group, bid $1063 on a set of chrome weights. The ARP was $1063. None of us gave him that bid. Guess who was a row behind us? Ted. I gave him a glare as we left because there was something I didn't like about the guy, and this was before I found out he gave the $1063 bid.
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I stand corrected. I was oblivious to the whole thing.
So he has unofficially and/or officially been banned, meaning I won't see him a month from now in Studio 33?
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Kniess was a weather guy here in Springfield for a couple years on KSPR. So, I consulted YouTube™ and found his demo reel...He was cheesy back then...(and still is)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiEIHhz3mlY...t=1&index=2 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiEIHhz3mlY&feature=PlayList&p=7CAB92163AA20A32&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=2\")
Now...his Neice (no pun intended) showed up on TPIR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RON7WhBd_As (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RON7WhBd_As\")
Draw your own conclusions on that one
Also...he's written a BOOK about this. Yes, a book. I'm not going to give him a free plug for it, other than to say it exists.
Legal Disclaimer: I'm not Kniess. Yes, I'm Terry K, but not *that* Terry K. Thank goodness.
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how did they overreact? The show DID air and Terry DID get his prizes and his moment of fame.
They did do a little post production on that show. While Terry was fielding his bid from Ted in the audience, they went to the shot on camera 1 which had been enlarged to frame Terry out of it.
Also...he's written a BOOK about this. Yes, a book.
Good gravy. What are the chances of any sane publisher touching this with a 10-foot pole?
Note to CBS security: be on the lookout for a guy wearing glasses, a fake nose and moustache who introduces himself as "Fred Dawson".
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'244041\' date=\'Jul 13 2010, 11:06 AM\']Good gravy. What are the chances of any sane publisher touching this with a 10-foot pole?[/quote]
Publishers? What are those? (http://\"http://www.lulu.com/\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243936\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:02 PM\']I'm sure they were aware of the G-R site (and this one too) for quite some time, but probably didn't expect there to be people memorizing prizes, ready to pull a Charlie Babbitt any moment.[/quote]
Actually, wouldn't that be pulling a "Raymond Babbitt"?"
Jake T
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[quote name=\'JakeT\' post=\'244086\' date=\'Jul 13 2010, 11:46 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'243936\' date=\'Jul 11 2010, 12:02 PM\']I'm sure they were aware of the G-R site (and this one too) for quite some time, but probably didn't expect there to be people memorizing prizes, ready to pull a Charlie Babbitt any moment.[/quote]
Actually, wouldn't that be pulling a "Raymond Babbitt"?"
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Oops! Got my Babbitt brothers mixed up...you are correct. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'244100\' date=\'Jul 14 2010, 05:35 AM\']Oops! Got my Babbitt brothers mixed up...you are correct. :-)[/quote]Obviously no one'll be making that sort of movie about you, sir. ;)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'244041\' date=\'Jul 13 2010, 02:06 PM\']Good gravy. What are the chances of any sane publisher touching this with a 10-foot pole?[/quote]
Pretty good. (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Cause-Effects-Surrounding-Showcase-Televisions/dp/1934938998/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279261592&sr=8-1\")
If Drew figured the show wasn't going to air and the common theme was "fuck that guy," why even finish the show?
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'244255\' date=\'Jul 15 2010, 11:30 PM\']Pretty good. (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Cause-Effects-Surrounding-Showcase-Televisions/dp/1934938998/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279261592&sr=8-1\")[/quote]
Curt Alliaume, can you offer your assessment of Langdon Street Press?
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Good gravy. What are the chances of any sane publisher touching this with a 10-foot pole?
Pretty good.
Langdon Street Press (a division of Hillcrest Publishing Group, Inc.)
Cool! When's he going to be on Larry King Live? Better find out so Ted Slauson can be ready to call in and refute any bogus claims he makes.
Next I want a book about the guy who solved a Concentration puzzle with only two blank squares revealed.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'244255\' date=\'Jul 16 2010, 02:30 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'244041\' date=\'Jul 13 2010, 02:06 PM\']Good gravy. What are the chances of any sane publisher touching this with a 10-foot pole?[/quote]
Pretty good. (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Cause-Effects-Surrounding-Showcase-Televisions/dp/1934938998/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279261592&sr=8-1\")[/quote]
No thanks, I'll wait for the game show to come out.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'244259\' date=\'Jul 16 2010, 03:36 AM\']Next I want a book about the guy who solved a Concentration puzzle with only two blank squares revealed.[/quote]
Well played.
I did read the Esquire piece online (finally) and I think it was well written. It's not always easy to pull off a general interest article on what is a pretty specific subject.