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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: HSquares2003 on November 18, 2003, 11:01:46 AM
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/imander/gameshows/claudia3.html (http://\"http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/imander/gameshows/claudia3.html\")
Sounds like the old man basically ran off another member of his staff. Syd Vinedge was the only reason Rod saw a couple seconds of camera time on the premiere of season 32.
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It is absolutely stunning to me that Claudia would do an blunt, on-the-record interview like that for, of all places, a fan site called Toeth's Game Show Insights. Is the atmosphere really that acidic over there?
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That I don't know as I haven't completely checked his site out. I guess as to not "rock the boat", Marc locked the thread about this on his site temporarily for his own reasons(golden-road.net)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 11:19 AM\'] It is absolutely stunning to me that Claudia would do an blunt, on-the-record interview like that for, of all places, a fan site called Toeth's Game Show Insights. Is the atmosphere really that acidic over there? [/quote]
It would seem so. I guess that Claudia could speak openly for the first time and she wasn't going to lie when she was asked a straight question.
It's a shame that things seem to be so bad.
Though I'd never give an interview subject final approval. Maybe this is the amateur journalist in me, but that just doesn't seem like a good idea.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 11:22 AM\'] That I don't know as I haven't completely checked his site out. I guess as to not "rock the boat", Marc locked the thread about this on his site temporarily for his own reasons(golden-road.net) [/quote]
He has nothing to worry about.
During one of my conversations with Roger, that site was brought up. He then said he wasn't going to that site anymore as all the posters do is complain about a bad rotation of games, they hate this game, they hate that game.
However, I did send him the link to this group as he had been to ATGS recently and asked what happened. I told him the good people moved here. Whether he actually checked this site out is a different story.
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Wow. You smell that? That's the smell of a bridge burning, folks....
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During one of my conversations with Roger, that site was brought up. He then said he wasn't going to that site anymore as all the posters do is complain about a bad rotation of games, they hate this game, they hate that game.
I thought I was the only one who noticed....all the people do there anymore is complain about how they hate what they've done to the show and how things need to go back to the way it was. Sigh....I don't blame them for not visiting one bit. What started as a great board has turned into a GSN boards2.
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Something very peculiar about that interview! Can't put my thumb on it right now, but I'll be examining this for a bit to find out.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 01:49 PM\']
During one of my conversations with Roger, that site was brought up. He then said he wasn't going to that site anymore as all the posters do is complain about a bad rotation of games, they hate this game, they hate that game.
I thought I was the only one who noticed....all the people do there anymore is complain about how they hate what they've done to the show and how things need to go back to the way it was. Sigh....I don't blame them for not visiting one bit. What started as a great board has turned into a GSN boards2. [/quote]
Marc's site is still great and I still enjoy visiting there. Opinions are always welcomed there. With every topic you will always have complaints and opinions, both good and bad. It is a part of life and not necessarily a bad thing.
As far as Toeth's interview goes, I say it was enlightening and well done.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 12:18 PM\'] Wow. You smell that? That's the smell of a bridge burning, folks.... [/quote]
I admire Claudia for being so honest. I knew I wasn't the only one who thought the Rod tribute was so short that it was almost insulting. Good to see Claudia is on the same wave length as so many others here. As a matter of fact I think the members of this board have been extremely accurate in our perception of what behind the scenes at Price is actually like. It's simply not the same show that it was 10 years ago.
John
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 03:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 12:18 PM\'] Wow. You smell that? That's the smell of a bridge burning, folks.... [/quote]
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Looking at the things she said, I don't think burning bridges was a concern. Seems like as far as she's concerned, Bob took care of that.
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 01:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 03:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 12:18 PM\'] Wow. You smell that? That's the smell of a bridge burning, folks.... [/quote]
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Looking at the things she said, I don't think burning bridges was a concern. Seems like as far as she's concerned, Bob took care of that. [/quote]
Oh, no quesiton. I'm just saying, it's pretty obvious she has no plans to return, like, ever. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 04:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 01:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 03:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 12:18 PM\'] Wow. You smell that? That's the smell of a bridge burning, folks.... [/quote]
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Looking at the things she said, I don't think burning bridges was a concern. Seems like as far as she's concerned, Bob took care of that. [/quote]
Oh, no quesiton. I'm just saying, it's pretty obvious she has no plans to return, like, ever. :) [/quote]
How many Beauties left and came back?
Although Gena Lee Nolin probably wishes she never left.
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Yikes, that line about Barker wanting to be the only recognizable figure on the show is very telling and probably confirms a lot of people's suspicions.
What's next, a 20-foot statue of Barker in the CBS parking lot? Maybe he'll demand that they change the name of the company to "Columbia Barker System".
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 05:50 PM\'] Gena Lee Nolin probably wishes she never left. [/quote]
Considering that she's had just about the most successful post-TPIR career of any of the models and is now internationally famous, I would love to know the logic behind that statement.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 19 2003, 08:29 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 05:50 PM\'] Gena Lee Nolin probably wishes she never left. [/quote]
Considering that she's had just about the most successful post-TPIR career of any of the models and is now internationally famous, I would love to know the logic behind that statement. [/quote]
But what has she done since TPIR?
She's been living off her Baywatch fame for years. In hindsight, leaving was a dumb move considering which show lasted longer.
And you think she's more famous than Cindy Margolis? (one of the, if not the, most download woman on the web, making lots of money from her website)
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 19 2003, 09:53 AM\'] But what has she done since TPIR?
She's been living off her Baywatch fame for years. In hindsight, leaving was a dumb move considering which show lasted longer.
And you think she's more famous than Cindy Margolis? (one of the, if not the, most download woman on the web, making lots of money from her website) [/quote]
Since TPIR, she's starred in two television series and made countless personal appearances based on her fame, fame that would not be nearly as great if she was still pointing at refrigerators on a game show, which as we've seen isn't nearly as secure a job as you're suggesting anyway. It's inconceivable that she considers leaving TPIR to have been a bad career move.
And yes, Gina Lee Nolin is more famous than Cindy Margolis. Fame on the internet is still a marginal thing compared to television fame, especially the sort of international recognition that Baywatch and, yes, even Sheena provided. (Margolis' late-night TV show did little to improve her visibility.) As a shrewd businesswoman, Margolis is almost certainly more *successful* from a financial point of view, but definitely not more famous.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 19 2003, 02:30 AM\']What's next, a 20-foot statue of Barker in the CBS parking lot? Maybe he'll demand that they change the name of the company to "Columbia Barker System".[/quote]
Perhaps a Barker bobblehead? Hey, Chuck Woolery got one!
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 19 2003, 06:53 AM\'] And you think she's more famous than Cindy Margolis? (one of the, if not the, most download woman on the web, making lots of money from her website) [/quote]
Margolis's fame is more self-proclaimed than anything. I would love to see some good, solid numbers to back up her own hype. I bet she can't produce them. Hell, I could declare that I'm the most downloaded MAN on the Internet and most people wouldn't know where to go to prove me wrong.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 11:59 AM\']I told him the good people moved here. [/quote]
While I appreciate your information, are you saying that because I frequent Golden-Road.net more often than this site I am not "good?"
Am I good enough to be here? I help Moderate Golden-Road.net and certainly there are posts that I don't like either. I don't generally dislike games, contestants, or many other things that are posted. Unfortunately, some people do; they are opinions and it's a free country. I try to allow people to speak their opinion that they are entitled to. We do NOT allow any direct negative commentary on fellow fan sites or their respective members.
I enjoy visiting this site as well as many others. I will continue to, as you have proved that your attitude displayed here does not represent anyone but yourself, and does not discount the other fine people here who post and help operate this site.
I would be willing to bet that 1/2 of the members of G-R.net also post here. I'm just unsure as to the saltyness of your post what you are trying to accomplish.
Sorry to drag this off topic, as well. It just struck me a little wrong when you stated the "good people" all moved here from ATGS.
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The good people from ATGS as opposed to what that place is now.
You are reading into "good" too much.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'Nov 20 2003, 05:00 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 11:59 AM\']I told him the good people moved here. [/quote]
While I appreciate your information, are you saying that because I frequent Golden-Road.net more often than this site I am not "good?" [/quote]
I *really* don't think that's what he meant. The way I read that last sentence was that Roger asked him specifically what had happened to ATGS, and he said that the good people -- meaning the people who made ATGS good -- moved here. I think that's a fair statement. This forum was specifically set up as a general discussion alternative to the Usenet group that had become overrun with trolls.
In addition, I'm sure many of us also visit other message boards. Many "good" TPIR fans go to Golden-Road, I'm a "good" Jeopardy fan and I routinely visit Sony's official boards, and the GSN boards continue to be the most visited of all. I'm sure there's tons of overlap, and when I look in on one of those other boards, I immediately see names I recognize.
Since I don't visit your board very often, I can't speak to the criticism in the first paragraph, but even there, that looked like it was coming from Roger, not the author of the post. Still, I really think the second comment was directed at what ATGS has become, and didn't have anything to do with Golden-Road.net.
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I *really* don't think that's what he meant. The way I read that last sentence was that Roger asked him specifically what had happened to ATGS, and he said that the good people -- meaning the people who made ATGS good -- moved here.
You read correctly.
Since I don't visit your board very often, I can't speak to the criticism in the first paragraph, but even there, that looked like it was coming from Roger, not the author of the post.
Correct again, but I'm in agreement with those comments as well.
Still, I really think the second comment was directed at what ATGS has become
You're good.
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Found this link as well(I don't think I've seen this one here before, correct me if I am wrong)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheClaudiaJordanGroup/ (http://\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheClaudiaJordanGroup/\")
Claudia looks really good in the bowling alley pic.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 21 2003, 01:23 PM\'] Found this link as well(I don't think I've seen this one here before, correct me if I am wrong)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheClaudiaJordanGroup/ (http://\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheClaudiaJordanGroup/\")
Claudia looks really good in the bowling alley pic. [/quote]
That group is now moderated by a fan who was recently her guest at Price.
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Nov 18 2003, 12:26 PM\']As far as Toeth's interview goes, I say it was enlightening and well done.[/quote]
That goes double for me! I applaud Claudia for saying what she did. To actually say what many of us are thinking is very refreshing to see. That interview was very well done.
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I for one don't give a **** about what happens behind the scenes of TPiR. As long as it doesn't affect the game in any way, I don't see why I have to slap Bob on the wrist for his so-called makeout with his female co-workers, whether it be Claudia or someone else that has already left.
What matters in the end is that The Price is Right is still fun to watch, despite what some people here might say otherwise. I never even bother trying to memorize the names of the new models, and I don't see how gameplay has been greatly affected by all these backstage scandals.
As long as it goes like that, that's fine with me.
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[quote name=\'chuckwooleryfan\' date=\'Nov 22 2003, 10:52 PM\'] I don't see how gameplay has been greatly affected by all these backstage scandals.
As long as it goes like that, that's fine with me. [/quote]
You are right..... Game Play hasn't been effected by what goes on behind the scenes. Unfortunately the fun of the show has been greatly effected. Anyone who remembers watching the show 20 years ago will remember The Price Is Right being much more than your typical Game Show. The program had a family feel to it. Bob would interact much more with the contestants. He would also invite all the models on stage and chat with them every so often. The Showcases used to entail funny skits which often involved the models and then announcer Johnny Olsen. At Christmas time the models were always dressed up in sexy Santa's Helpers Suits. Bob used to also allow anyone who won a perfect bid Bonus to reach into his pocket to get the money themselves. These are only some of the many things that made the show a lot of fun to watch. It used to be a 60 Minute party. Now it's just 60 Minutes of going through the motions. It's a watered down version of what existed 20 years ago. It may officially be the same show........ but at the same time...... It's Not Really The Same Show.
John
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I agree with you John. The show isn't quite the same, although I still enjoy it greatly. But part of the family-cuts are that "almighty dollar" because with more commercials and less airtime, something had to give. And like I posted at gr-net, I'd rather see less chatter than 4 PG's instead of 6 or no Contestant's Row so there can be "more chatter."
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Nov 23 2003, 01:39 AM\'] part of the family-cuts are that "almighty dollar" because with more commercials and less airtime, something had to give. [/quote]
I hear a lot of people say that same thing. Can anyone clue me in on exactly how many minutes of commercials there are now compared to twenty years ago? Is there really that much difference?
John
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'Nov 22 2003, 08:52 PM\']Game Play hasn't been effected by what goes on behind the scenes. Unfortunately the fun of the show has been greatly effected. Anyone who remembers watching the show 20 years ago will remember The Price Is Right being much more than your typical Game Show. The program had a family feel to it. Bob would interact much more with the contestants. He would also invite all the models on stage and chat with them every so often. The Showcases used to entail funny skits which often involved the models and then announcer Johnny Olsen. At Christmas time the models were always dressed up in sexy Santa's Helpers Suits. Bob used to also allow anyone who won a perfect bid Bonus to reach into his pocket to get the money themselves. These are only some of the many things that made the show a lot of fun to watch. It used to be a 60 Minute party. Now it's just 60 Minutes of going through the motions. It's a watered down version of what existed 20 years ago. It may officially be the same show........ but at the same time...... It's Not Really The Same Show.[/quote]
The time frame you describe coincides with the passing of Phil's dad Frank and Barker taking over the reins. Johnny Olson and Marc Breslow also went away around that time.
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I think the difference was a peak of 47 minutes to something like 42 or 41 now.
This equates to an entire segment of the show- and that's a lot of time.
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I agree with a previous poster about the lack of a "family feeling" on "Price". Knowing every on-camera staffperson was akin knowing all of the regular players on the B&W "What's My Line" panel week after week.
Granted there was more host/panel conversations on WML than there was host/announcer or host/model interactions on TPIR, but the theory is the same. If Barker wishes to keep every and all spotlights on him for the entire program, then he should call it "Bob Barker's Price Is Right", ala Bruce Forsyth.
But when you in a sense "kill off" a family with no explanation of what happened, or have new people come in unacknowledged, it does ruin the essence of a show to a point.
And as far as CBS taking more game-time away for more ads, why cant CBS revert to the original commercial loads and CHARGE MORE FOR AD TIME? Hell, most of the ads now are from medical or pharmaceutical companies, and they can afford to pay the extra costs -- they'll just raise prescriptions again, like they normally do.
On a lighter note, my wife gets to Contestant's Row on Tuesday while on our honeymoon... That and a pricing game where the rules change during the gameplay...On Tuesday's "Price Is Right".
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Nov 23 2003, 05:14 PM\']
Granted there was more host/panel conversations on WML than there was host/announcer or host/model interactions on TPIR, but the theory is the same. If Barker wishes to keep every and all spotlights on him for the entire program, then he should call it "Bob Barker's Price Is Right", ala Bruce Forsyth.
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Oddly, now that you bring that up, Bruces shows always have a feeling of family between him and the models - I think the "Bruce's _____" tag has more to do with getting people to watch than his ego. But I could be way off.
And as far as CBS taking more game-time away for more ads, why cant CBS revert to the original commercial loads and CHARGE MORE FOR AD TIME? Hell, most of the ads now are from medical or pharmaceutical companies, and they can afford to pay the extra costs -- they'll just raise prescriptions again, like they normally do.
Um....excuse me for taking this out of context if I am, but doesn't it seem even a little bit stupid to tell millions of people that they will have to pay more for their medication so that we can get a few more minutes of banter? That seems fairly big headed.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Nov 23 2003, 05:14 PM\']
And as far as CBS taking more game-time away for more ads, why cant CBS revert to the original commercial loads and CHARGE MORE FOR AD TIME? Hell, most of the ads now are from medical or pharmaceutical companies, and they can afford to pay the extra costs -- they'll just raise prescriptions again, like they normally do.
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That's not as easy as it sounds, although a lot of shows besides TPIR would be better if it was. Advertisers wouldn't be keen on paying more money to reach the same set of eyeballs. They'd buy a different show, or advertise on cable, or buy billboards. Unless TPIR had a particular audience they couldn't easily get somewhere else--the Medicare-supplement audience would not qualify, they'd lose their advertisers.
Still, one would think that with all the plugging they do, they could make do with a couple fewer commercials.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Nov 23 2003, 05:14 PM\'] That and a pricing game where the rules change during the gameplay...On Tuesday's "Price Is Right". [/quote]
This is the most interesting and intriguiging thing I've read in a long time on this thread!