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Damn it, I was planning on bringing my brother to the show soon! When does this break start?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'240196\' date=\'May 2 2010, 10:35 AM\']Damn it, I was planning on bringing my brother to the show soon! When does this break start?[/quote]
I don't know exactly, but World Cup is June 11-July 11. Add some time before and after and you should get a decent guess to start and end.
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How much of a break does the show normally take between taping the last episode of one season and the first episode of the next season?
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240203\' date=\'May 2 2010, 12:37 PM\']How much of a break does the show normally take between taping the last episode of one season and the first episode of the next season?[/quote]
One thing to keep in mind--they don't necessarily tape in order. I do believe a couple of season premiere weeks were taped after episodes that were already in the can for the next season. (I think it happened during Barker's last year, too, but I'm not totally sure about that.)
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One thing to keep in mind--they don't necessarily tape in order. I do believe a couple of season premiere weeks were taped after episodes that were already in the can for the next season.
A good example of that is Season 20 -- the Season Premiere week was taped in July 1991, but the following 2-3 weeks were taped in May. The first of these weeks featured the first taped appearances of Swap Meet and the second-generation Money Game board.
Also, to a lesser extent -- the 1986 Specials, which introduced a plethora of changes (including the second-generation Any Number board), were taped after the first 21 episodes of Season 15. The last episode taped prior to the Specials was the October 6 show, aka "Shell Game Debra".
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240215\' date=\'May 2 2010, 03:16 PM\']A good example of that is Season 20 -- the Season Premiere week was taped in July 1991, but the following 2-3 weeks were taped in May. The first of these weeks featured the first taped appearances of Swap Meet and the second-generation Money Game board.
Also, to a lesser extent -- the 1986 Specials, which introduced a plethora of changes (including the second-generation Any Number board), were taped after the first 21 episodes of Season 15. The last episode taped prior to the Specials? October 6, aka "Shell Game Debra".[/quote]
Source?
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240215\' date=\'May 2 2010, 03:16 PM\']October 6, aka "Shell Game Debra".[/quote]Who?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'240227\' date=\'May 2 2010, 07:46 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240215\' date=\'May 2 2010, 03:16 PM\']October 6, aka "Shell Game Debra".[/quote]Who?
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The gal who "cheated" at Shell Game. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm6Ca0SnEsw\") I guess.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'240206\' date=\'May 2 2010, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240203\' date=\'May 2 2010, 12:37 PM\']How much of a break does the show normally take between taping the last episode of one season and the first episode of the next season?[/quote]
One thing to keep in mind--they don't necessarily tape in order. [/quote]
Then let me rephrase the question: How much of a break is there between the last taping session for one season and the first session for another season? Or are you saying that they start taping the next season's episodes before they finish the previous season's?
Either way, since they only tape ~39 weeks worth of episodes, I'd think it's normal to have a substantial taping break at some point of the year. (Although I'd also think the summer tourist season wouldn't be the best time for a taping break.)
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240233\' date=\'May 2 2010, 09:23 PM\']Either way, since they only tape ~39 weeks worth of episodes, I'd think it's normal to have a substantial taping break at some point of the year. (Although I'd also think the summer tourist season wouldn't be the best time for a taping break.)[/quote]
While it was normal practice to have a 3-4 week long summer vacation break, the taping weeks were scheduled with a full week off roughly every month. None of the staff had to work on days when they weren't taping, unless there was something they needed to catch up on.
So, in essence, when the show was down, the staff was off. This is no longer the case.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240233\' date=\'May 2 2010, 08:23 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'240206\' date=\'May 2 2010, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240203\' date=\'May 2 2010, 12:37 PM\']How much of a break does the show normally take between taping the last episode of one season and the first episode of the next season?[/quote]
One thing to keep in mind--they don't necessarily tape in order. [/quote]
Then let me rephrase the question: How much of a break is there between the last taping session for one season and the first session for another season? Or are you saying that they start taping the next season's episodes before they finish the previous season's?
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That's a possibility, although I don't know whether that's actually happened.
In 2004, I attended the taping of the fourth show of season 33. The finale of season 32 had only taped the previous week. That was one time when they did tape in order, but there was no break (unless you count a few days as a break).
And I've seen cases where they held the taping of the season premiere week until August, but had already taped episodes for the new season in July.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'240225\' date=\'May 2 2010, 04:29 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240215\' date=\'May 2 2010, 03:16 PM\']A good example of that is Season 20 -- the Season Premiere week was taped in July 1991, but the following 2-3 weeks were taped in May".[/quote]Source?[/quote]I can personally verify this part, because I attended tapings in May '91 with scheduled airdates in October (one on my birthday, the 8th,) that included what someone (Rod? Barker?) told us would be the first actual play of Swap Meet, although the game was to debut during the season premiere week.
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You wouldn't happen to recall the specific taping days, do you? I happen to have the S20 Premiere and 9/17/91, which is how I knew the discrepancy (and why I brought it up).
The gal who "cheated" at Shell Game. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm6Ca0SnEsw\") I guess.
That's her (not sure if it's "Debra" or "Deborah", though; I've seen both used in tape collections). A cut-down version of it was shown in Game Show Moments Gone Bananas, which surprised me since I had more or less forgotten the clip from Tony's site.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'240225\' date=\'May 2 2010, 07:29 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240215\' date=\'May 2 2010, 03:16 PM\']A good example of that is Season 20 -- the Season Premiere week was taped in July 1991, but the following 2-3 weeks were taped in May. The first of these weeks featured the first taped appearances of Swap Meet and the second-generation Money Game board.
Also, to a lesser extent -- the 1986 Specials, which introduced a plethora of changes (including the second-generation Any Number board), were taped after the first 21 episodes of Season 15. The last episode taped prior to the Specials? October 6, aka "Shell Game Debra".[/quote]Source?[/quote]
I've seen the show's tape schedule for the fall '86 episodes, and I can verify that the Specials were taped between the October 6 and October 7 programs.
[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'240233\' date=\'May 2 2010, 09:23 PM\']Then let me rephrase the question: How much of a break is there between the last taping session for one season and the first session for another season? Or are you saying that they start taping the next season's episodes before they finish the previous season's?[/quote]
I don't think this was normal, and I can't even remember why they did it now, but in the summer of 2006, there was a plan to repaint the Big Doors for Season 35, tape the second week of the season, paint the Season 31-34 patterns back on, tape the Season 34 finale, and then paint the Season 35 pattern again and go forward from there. Some kind of conflict came up with the schedule, though, and it ended up not happening.
So yeah...hardly normal, but not unheard of.
EDIT: Actually, maybe they were going to tape the sixth and seventh shows on Monday, do the 34 finale on Tuesday, and then pick 35 back up on Wednesday. That would give them time to paint the doors overnight, instead of doing it between the early and late Monday shows.
I remember I thought it was weird, whatever it was.
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I've seen the show's tape schedule for the fall '86 episodes, and I can verify that the Specials were taped between the October 6 and October 7 programs.
Could you elaborate, please? I know the Specials were taped in July, since GSN showed a "Recorded Jul 86" bug during all six shows.
I don't think this was normal, and I can't even remember why they did it now, but in the summer of 2006, there was a plan to repaint the Big Doors for Season 35, tape the second week of the season, paint the Season 31-34 patterns back on, tape the Season 34 finale, and then paint the Season 35 pattern again and go forward from there. Some kind of conflict came up with the schedule, though, and it ended up not happening.
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I remember I thought it was weird, whatever it was.
That...is weird. And totally nonsensical. I can see why such an idea was thrown out -- it's really, really stupid.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240294\' date=\'May 3 2010, 09:36 PM\']Could you elaborate, please? I know the Specials were taped in July -- GSN showed a "Recorded Jul 86" bug on all six shows.[/quote]
I'm not sure what else you want me to tell you...they did October 6, went on their summer break, came back, did the Specials, and then picked back up the next week with October 7. About the only other thing I can think of that anyone besides me would care about is that they were the second-last group of shows that Marc Breslow directed.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240294\' date=\'May 3 2010, 09:36 PM\']That...is weird. And totally nonsensical. I can see why such an idea was thrown out -- it's really, really stupid.[/quote]
No, actually, I don't think you can. I've never really been cleared to say what happened, but it was an administrative issue that had nothing to do with the schedule itself.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'240299\' date=\'May 3 2010, 10:31 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240294\' date=\'May 3 2010, 09:36 PM\']That...is weird. And totally nonsensical. I can see why such an idea was thrown out -- it's really, really stupid.[/quote]
No, actually, I don't think you can. I've never really been cleared to say what happened, but it was an administrative issue that had nothing to do with the schedule itself.[/quote]
I don't think some people realize how relatively easy it is to paint a set piece. Probably the same mentality that thinks The Price Is Right is the one-and-only permanent fixture in Studio 33. I could imagine any number of scenarios where painting a flat would be the simplest solution to a problem, scheduling or otherwise.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'240304\' date=\'May 3 2010, 11:20 PM\']I don't think some people realize how relatively easy it is to paint a set piece. Probably the same mentality that thinks The Price Is Right is the one-and-only permanent fixture in Studio 33. I could imagine any number of scenarios where painting a flat would be the simplest solution to a problem, scheduling or otherwise.[/quote]
I can only base my guesses on how well I paint. That isn't very well. :-)
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'240292\' date=\'May 3 2010, 08:57 PM\']I don't think this was normal, and I can't even remember why they did it now, but in the summer of 2006, there was a plan to repaint the Big Doors for Season 35, tape the second week of the season, paint the Season 31-34 patterns back on, tape the Season 34 finale, and then paint the Season 35 pattern again and go forward from there. Some kind of conflict came up with the schedule, though, and it ended up not happening.
So yeah...hardly normal, but not unheard of.
EDIT: Actually, maybe they were going to tape the sixth and seventh shows on Monday, do the 34 finale on Tuesday, and then pick 35 back up on Wednesday. That would give them time to paint the doors overnight, instead of doing it between the early and late Monday shows.
I remember I thought it was weird, whatever it was.[/quote]
I'm not discounting or challenging what you're saying about the taping schedule, but they don't paint the actual door panels. One large canvas is painted and then cut to fit the width of each panel. They could have easily removed the canvas from the panels and replaced them, then reapplied the earlier canvas.
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I'm not sure what else you want me to tell you...they did October 6, went on their summer break, came back, did the Specials, and then picked back up the next week with October 7. About the only other thing I can think of that anyone besides me would care about is that they were the second-last group of shows that Marc Breslow directed.
I meant to ask if you could divulge the specific tapedates. I've always wondered when, specifically, the '86 Specials were taped in relation to the October 6 and 7 shows.
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they don't paint the actual door panels. One large canvas is painted and then cut to fit the width of each panel. They could have easily removed the canvas from the panels and replaced them, then reapplied the earlier canvas.
I knew the guy who designed that set (Ted Cooper) and his assistant (Mark Bowerman) and I've never heard this one. More than likely there is more than one set of panels which can be attached to/removed from the frames. Those doors cannot be repainted overnight short of bringing in a crew of 24 painters on overtime at tremendous expense. It's way too elaborate.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'240343\' date=\'May 4 2010, 03:41 PM\']
they don't paint the actual door panels. One large canvas is painted and then cut to fit the width of each panel. They could have easily removed the canvas from the panels and replaced them, then reapplied the earlier canvas.
I knew the guy who designed that set (Ted Cooper) and his assistant (Mark Bowerman) and I've never heard this one. More than likely there is more than one set of panels which can be attached to/removed from the frames. Those doors cannot be repainted overnight short of bringing in a crew of 24 painters on overtime at tremendous expense. It's way too elaborate.
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When I checked out the set during my visit in 2002 and looked at the individual frames I saw a canvas that was stapled into the sides for each wooden panel, but perhaps I'm misinterpreting the process of how new artwork is affixed to the doors. When did Cooper & Bowerman start working with the show?
I agree there are different sets of panels they could have easily been hung on the frames. I have some pics of the set being struck somewhere on my computer at home that shows the door panels stacked across the bottoms of each frame before they're carted away by a fork lift. I would imagine they have at least a backup set for each door's design based on wear & tear, no?
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Ted started on the show in 1956. That whole layout in studio 33 is Ted's brainchild, as were the Any Number and Range games. Mark came along in the '70s.
From what I remember of the Doug Davidson version, the same door frames were used but with different panels, with yet another frame affixed to the door frames to conceal the chase lights. If you saw fabric stapled to the doors it would suggest that the fabric is not easily changed. When you consider that the doors are 11 to 12 feet high, if they are faced with luan (old doors) or masonite (new doors) there is going to be a seam where the standard eight-foot panels join, and covering them with muslin (like a standard theatrical flat) and painting the fabric would effectively conceal the seam.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240340\' date=\'May 4 2010, 03:10 PM\']I meant to ask if you could divulge the specific tapedates. I've always wondered when, specifically, the '86 Specials were taped.[/quote]
Right now, they're buried somewhere in 80 pages of e-mails that I've never bothered to get rid of...so no.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'240292\' date=\'May 3 2010, 07:57 PM\'][quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'240225\' date=\'May 2 2010, 07:29 PM\']Source?[/quote]
I've seen the show's tape schedule for the fall '86 episodes, and I can verify that the Specials were taped between the October 6 and October 7 programs.
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Fair enough. Thank you, Steve.
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Right now, they're buried somewhere in 80 pages of e-mails that I've never bothered to get rid of...so no.
Ah. Never mind, then. :)