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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: toetyper on March 29, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
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where ever ive lived. WOF and jeopardy has aired together, in that order. wheel then jeopardy. Sometimes when i travel a station would have them flipped; That felt odd
do you have a preference of order of the 2
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'238511\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 09:57 PM\']do you have a preference of order of the 2[/quote]
In the Detroit market they air that way - Wheel followed by Jeopardy. When I found out we were more the exception to the "regular" order, I was a little puzzled. It made sense to me to put the lighter, more accessible game first, and let those not interested in mental gymnastics leave the room come 7:30.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'238512\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 07:31 PM\']It made sense to me to put the lighter, more accessible game first, and let those not interested in mental gymnastics leave the room come 7:30.[/quote]
Back before he decided to stop even attempting to be funny, Dennis Miller preferred it the other way; his quip was something to the effect that Wheel came on after J! because "following the tequila of your own ignorance, it's nice to bite into the lime wedge of other people's stupidity." Obviously, that was based on the scheduling in L.A. and New York, the only two cities that matter.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'238512\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 10:31 PM\'][quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'238511\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 09:57 PM\']do you have a preference of order of the 2[/quote]
In the Detroit market they air that way - Wheel followed by Jeopardy. When I found out we were more the exception to the "regular" order, I was a little puzzled. It made sense to me to put the lighter, more accessible game first, and let those not interested in mental gymnastics leave the room come 7:30.
-Jason
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In Philadelphia its J! then Wheel. I found it odd when visiting family in West Palm Beach the order is reversed.
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Here in Denver, KMGH airs Jeopardy! right before Wheel, so it is what I am used to. Where I lived previously, Des Moines, WHO airs Jeopardy! at 3:30 (after WWTBAM) and Wheel at 6:30, and it's been that way for many years. A faded memory has me thinking that back in the 90s, Jeopardy aired on WOI and Wheel on WHO, but I'm not positive about that.
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Wheel at 7
Jeopardy! at 7:30
I can't remember where I read this, but there's a story about how the protagonist was in a strange universe, like when you go on vacation to a town where Wheel and Jeopardy! air in reverse order. I lol'd because it's true.
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Over the air (Albany), I get Wheel at 7 and Jeopardy! at 7:30.
Via DirecTV (NYC), I get Jeopardy! at 7 and Wheel at 7:30.
Nothing earth-shattering, but it's nice to have two opportunities to catch Jeopardy!
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Green Bay market [WLUK]: J! 6P, Wheel 6:30P.
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Wheel 7:00, J! 7:30 in Cincinnati, OH
J! 7:00, Wheel 7:00 in Bakersfield, CA
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Milwaukee's got J! at 6, Wheel at 6:30 on WDJT (although it's more like 5:58 and 6:28, respectively)
Used to be that they were both on WTMJ before the big affiliate swap (with J! being at 3:30).
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' post=\'238515\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 09:44 PM\']Where I lived previously, Des Moines, WHO airs Jeopardy! at 3:30 (after WWTBAM) and Wheel at 6:30, and it's been that way for many years. A faded memory has me thinking that back in the 90s, Jeopardy aired on WOI and Wheel on WHO, but I'm not positive about that.[/quote]
I can confirm Jeopardy! did indeed air on WOI until about five years ago.
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From what I remember, KCBS in L.A. had WOF first, then J!. Both shows have been on KABC since around 1992, and have aired in reverse order since.
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I've lived in three markets (well, one is sandwiched between two markets), and here are the orders they're aired in those markets:
New York/Philadelphia-Jeopardy! at 7, Wheel at 7:30 on ABC O&Os WABC and WPVI (that's the "sandwiched" market), J! at 5, Wheel at 5:30 on Long Island Indy WLNY
Jacksonville, FL-Wheel at 7, Jeopardy! at 7:30 on NBC affiliate WTLV
Erie, PA (current residence)-Wheel at 7, Jeopardy! at 7:30 on CBS affiliate WSEE (won't count the double run episode on NBC affiliate WICU at 5:30)
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I've always remembered that J!'s first followed by WoF, but it wasn't always the case. In 1983 when I was in upstate New York, WoF debuted that year at 7:30 on NBC affiliate WPTZ-TV 5 out of Plattsburgh but don't remember what was on at 7. It wasn't untill the following year that J! debuted at the 7 PM slot. When I visited some friend of my mom's best friend in the Richmond VA area(not sure what affiliate it was), WoF came on at 7 then J! at 7:30. That was in 1995(probably the same now). At least here in the Philly area, I can always count on J! at 7 & WoF at 7:30(minus any pre-emptions that may occur). I prefer this order, starting heavvy, then ending ligh, just like many newscasts.
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J!, then The Doctors, then the local news, then Brian Williams, then more local news, then Wheel.
Sorry that's not a particularly helpful answer to the question at hand, but I've never lived outside of Illinois. I've never seen them together (outside of vacations), so I'm not even sure I could fathom them back-to-back.
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Like some other folks here, I get an out-of-market affiliate on cable that airs the shows in reverse order. I've always preferred Wheel, then J!, even though I've received these shows the same way on cable for 25 years now on the same stations:
WHP CBS 21, Harrisburg PA, Wheel 7p, J! 7:30p. (J! consistently outperforms Wheel in our market ratings, too, interestingly enough.)
WPVI ABC 6, Philadelphia, J! 7p, Wheel 7:30p.
It's nice to be able to flip over to see a Final J! finish after a Wheel bonus round. Most nights, it times out perfectly that as soon as the bonus puzzle and prize is solved/revealed, that I can flip over to 6 and catch FJ! in its entirety. Great if time is at a premium any given night.
WHP, because they are The Worst, still doesn't air either of the two shows in HD, and we don't get WPVI in HD on our lineup.
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Here in Chicago, it's J! at 3:30, and Wheel at 6:30, which is pretty odd I guess, considering everyone else sandwiches them together. But WLS/ABC 7 has had them this way for 25 years, and since they've held a stranglehold on the #1 news ratings since the early 90s, there's no way that lineup is getting switched up anytime soon. (The news airs for a half hour after J! and a half hour before Wheel)
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Here in Johnstown/Altoona, we had Wheel before J! on, if I remember correctly, WTAJ until the fall of 1991, when they moved to WJAC. That station kept Wheel on at 7:00, but they moved J! to either 5:00 or 5:30. That lasted until the second week of the '92 Summer Olympics, when they put J! at 7:00 and, as far as I could tell, took Wheel off until the end of the Games. It went back on at 7:30 after the Olympics ended, and the shows have been in those slots ever since, through a move later in the decade to WATM.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'238528\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 02:31 AM\']I've always remembered that J!'s first followed by WoF, but it wasn't always the case. In 1983 when I was in upstate New York, WoF debuted that year at 7:30 on NBC affiliate WPTZ-TV 5 out of Plattsburgh but don't remember what was on at 7. It wasn't untill the following year that J! debuted at the 7 PM slot. When I visited some friend of my mom's best friend in the Richmond VA area(not sure what affiliate it was), WoF came on at 7 then J! at 7:30. That was in 1995(probably the same now). At least here in the Philly area, I can always count on J! at 7 & WoF at 7:30(minus any pre-emptions that may occur). I prefer this order, starting heavvy, then ending ligh, just like many newscasts.[/quote]
If I do remember when I was living in Vermont, WPTZ first aired nighttime Wheel at 7 PM and it was followed by M*A*S*H and when the station aired Jeopardy!, they aired it at 5:30 PM. In 1986, M*A*S*H and Wheel switched time slots (M*A*S*H at 7 and Wheel at 7:30). In 1987, Wheel left WPTZ and jumped to the ABC affiliate: WVNY-TV 22, WPTZ replaced both Wheel and M*A*S*H with Family Ties and Cheers (and I do believe they now aired M*A*S*H during the late night hours). In 1988, WPTZ moved Jeopardy! to 7:30 PM following USA Today The Television Show (later known as USA Today on TV) then in early 1989, Jeopardy! and USA Today switched time slots (Jeopardy! at 7 and USA Today at 7:30). In 1990, WVNY removed Wheel from its schedule and the nighttime version was not seen in the Burlington/Plattsburgh area again until early 1991 when it returned to WPTZ and it followed Jeopardy!
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In response to the "which do you prefer" question, I'd say "Jeopardy!" followed by "Wheel," solely because that's what I grew up with and that's what I'm used to, consarn it.
Although since I'm rarely home by 7:00, it would be more convenient for me if "Jeopardy!" was on later, I suppose.
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As Bill said in post #4, WPB has the order Wheel then J! (on WPBF ABC 25). It's the same order in the Miami/Ft. Laud area too (on WPLG ABC 10). Since I lived in the Ft. Laud area before moving to the West Palm Beach area, I can tell you that Wheel and J! have been on WPLG for a very long time. I don't remember these two shows being on any other station.
Also, my bro-in-law lives in Columbus, Ohio and he likes to call me and try to ruin FJ! for me since the order is reversed where he lives. (he never ruins it though...nice guy).
I like the order in which I've been used to watching them for years.
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Here it's WoF, then Jeopardy!. I can only assume that KOMO would prefer to attract the more intelligent members of their viewership to enjoy their prime time programming.
/of course, we switch over to that commie pinko Jon Stewart at 8
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In the same vein, does anybody live in a market where the two shows are not aired back to back at all? For the longest time, the Knoxville, TN affiliate ran Jeopardy in the late afternoon and only Wheel was in the fringe hour. I believe they're together now.
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Aside from most of the Central time zone? We only have a half-hour between the traditional 6:00 news and 7:00 primetime, after all (which usually goes to Wheel, forcing J! to the late afternoon slot).
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'238557\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 01:26 PM\']In the same vein, does anybody live in a market where the two shows are not aired back to back at all? For the longest time, the Knoxville, TN affiliate ran Jeopardy in the late afternoon and only Wheel was in the fringe hour. I believe they're together now.[/quote]
Dallas for the longest time showed Jeopardy! at 3 pm on WFAA, and Wheel at 6:30. I think they changed that in the last few years, but I'm not sure who airs what.
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WSBT, WLFI, and WTHR (South Bend, Lafayette, and Indianapolis, Indiana respectively) all have Wheel at 7, Jeopardy at 7:30. The one time I was in Philadelphia about eight years ago it was flipped, and I found it really weird.
Before Indiana went normal in regards to DST, Jeopardy aired at either 3:30 or 10:30 (when they tape-delayed TPIR from 10AM CDT) in addition to 7:30.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'238557\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 12:26 PM\']In the same vein, does anybody live in a market where the two shows are not aired back to back at all? For the longest time, the Knoxville, TN affiliate ran Jeopardy in the late afternoon and only Wheel was in the fringe hour. I believe they're together now.[/quote]Here in Cedar Rapids/Iowa City/Waterloo, Jeopardy airs at 1:30; Wheel of Fortune at 6:30.
Back home in my old stomping grounds of Ames/Des Moines, J! airs at 4:30 (local news lead-in) on WHO; WoF not until 6:30.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'238555\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 01:09 PM\']/of course, we switch over to that commie pinko Jon Stewart at 8[/quote]
This is just fascinating to me. I think of TDS as a direct competitor to late local news, because what else exists outside of the Eastern time zone of course!
We have the TV traditions here like NFL Football early games starting at 1pm. That's when football starts. Church-going folks go to church, come home, eat lunch, then football. You don't go to church, well, you watch Meet The Press maybe, then wait it out for the pregame show, etc. West coast, football starts in the morning. Before lunchtime. Completely otherworldly thought to me.
Just like the folks in the middle time zones that have staggered airings of WoF and J!. You could probably count on one hand the number of stations on the coastal time zones that don't air WoF and J! together, but it's completely vice versa in the middle states.
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[quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'238569\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 12:35 PM\']This is just fascinating to me. I think of TDS as a direct competitor to late local news, because what else exists outside of the Eastern time zone of course![/quote]
For the plebes around here who haven't gone hi-def yet, it is, since CC has a standard-def West Coast feed. The hi-def one (and by extension the DTV one, since they just hack down their hi-def feeds for SD), however, is only the East Coast feed, so the new TDS is on at 8:00P here.
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[quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'238535\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 08:36 AM\']WHP, because they are The Worst, still doesn't air either of the two shows in HD[/quote]
"The Worst?" You make it sound like they're capable of it, but they choose not to for some reason. Do they air anything *else* in HD? Local news, other syndie shows? (Aside from network.) Even if they do have HD news, syndicated program distribution in HD is another beast.
I can't fathom a reason why they would *deliberately* air Wheel/J! in SD if they were *capable* of HD. The fact that they haven't gotten around to it yet is probably them not seeing an *immediate* benefit in investing hundreds of thousands of dollars that they don't really have at the moment into a few extra scanlines for a certain hour of their programming. Or, it might be in the works, and they're just waiting for corporate to cut a check.
Anyway, I grew up in WEWS-land, which is Wheel at 7 and J! at 7:30. Armadillo's already covered my place of work, J! 3:30, Wheel 6:30. It was more strange growing up to see J/Wheel back to back, but it's not as big a deal when they're not consecutive. I actually kind of prefer the CT arrangement.
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WDIV in Detroit shows J! in Hi-Def, except for Final Jeopardy. They apparently can't do inserts in hi-def, so in order to have your news teaser on during the credits, it has to be in SD. Which is odd, because their news is in HD.
This was extremely fun during the NHL playoffs the last two years when the last segments of games were in SD (after being all-game in HD) so they could to teasers after the horn.
--Mike
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WTOK in Meridian, Mississippi has aired Jeopardy! in the morning for most, if not all of the current run. WTOK currently airs Jeopardy! at 11 AM, while they show Wheel at 6:30 PM. The last time I was in Meridian, in 1987, WTOK showed Jeopardy! at 10:30 AM. Bucking the J!/WoF prime access trend, no Mississippi markets air Jeopardy! in prime access (http://\"http://www.jeopardy.com/showguide/whentowatch/?Pick=MS#showResults\").
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'238567\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 02:23 PM\']Back home in my old stomping grounds of Ames/Des Moines, J! airs at 4:30 (local news lead-in) on WHO; WoF not until 6:30.[/quote]
Actually, the Jeopardy/Millionaire hour swapped slots with Ellen last year and now airs at 3:30 PM.
/Am I the only one who will admit to enjoying Ellen's talk show?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'238585\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 05:54 PM\']/Am I the only one who will admit to enjoying Ellen's talk show?[/quote]
Honestly, as someone who has never been an Ellen fan (I never got her humor as a kid/teen), I find it to be a breath of fresh air, when I can catch it. Fun, light-hearted, and gets the audience involved. I'd say the same for Bonnie Hunt. I'd love to get back to L.A. to get some free swag check out her show.
/ObGameShow: she was one of the rotating center squares on H^2.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'238573\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 01:11 PM\']For the plebes around here who haven't gone hi-def yet, it is, since CC has a standard-def West Coast feed. The hi-def one (and by extension the DTV one, since they just hack down their hi-def feeds for SD), however, is only the East Coast feed, so the new TDS is on at 8:00P here.[/quote]
DirecTV does the "center-cut" thing to create the SD versions of many over-the-air stations, but not for "cable" networks -- they use the legitimate SD feeds for the SD versions. The reason West Coast DirecTV viewers get TDS at 8:00, SD or HD, is simply that DirecTV doesn't carry a West Coast feed for most networks, for bandwidth reasons. (The exceptions are some of the premium movie channels and some kids' networks: Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and the Disney Channel.) I believe Dish Network is similar.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'238557\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 12:26 PM\']In the same vein, does anybody live in a market where the two shows are not aired back to back at all? For the longest time, the Knoxville, TN affiliate ran Jeopardy in the late afternoon and only Wheel was in the fringe hour. I believe they're together now.[/quote]
I've lived in three different markets in the time that J! has been on the air, and none of the three stations had them on back to back. (St. Louis, MO; Cape Girardau, MO; DeKalb, IL, receiving Chicago via cable)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'238557\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 12:26 PM\']In the same vein, does anybody live in a market where the two shows are not aired back to back at all? For the longest time, the Knoxville, TN affiliate ran Jeopardy in the late afternoon and only Wheel was in the fringe hour. I believe they're together now.[/quote]
Indeed that is the case. Wheel at 7 and Jeopardy at 7:30 on WBIR. Same lineup on WCYB in the Tri-Cities, TN/VA and has been since fall of 1984. (The season prior was Feud at 7 and Wheel at 7:30)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'238517\' date=\'Mar 29 2010, 10:48 PM\']Wheel at 7
Jeopardy! at 7:30[/quote]
This, and dare I say we're getting the same broadcast.
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'238607\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 08:38 PM\']DirecTV does the "center-cut" thing to create the SD versions of many over-the-air stations, but not for "cable" networks -- they use the legitimate SD feeds for the SD versions.[/quote]
I sit corrected. Thank you, sir.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'238575\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 04:25 PM\'][quote name=\'tvmitch\' post=\'238535\' date=\'Mar 30 2010, 08:36 AM\']WHP, because they are The Worst, still doesn't air either of the two shows in HD[/quote]
"The Worst?" You make it sound like they're capable of it, but they choose not to for some reason. Do they air anything *else* in HD? Local news, other syndie shows? (Aside from network.) Even if they do have HD news, syndicated program distribution in HD is another beast.
I can't fathom a reason why they would *deliberately* air Wheel/J! in SD if they were *capable* of HD. The fact that they haven't gotten around to it yet is probably them not seeing an *immediate* benefit in investing hundreds of thousands of dollars that they don't really have at the moment into a few extra scanlines for a certain hour of their programming. Or, it might be in the works, and they're just waiting for corporate to cut a check.
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Yes, working at a TV station, I realize what an endeavor it is to get syndie programming in HD. My station airs Dr. Phil, Oprah, Entertainment Tonight in HD, and it was a Big Deal that we got the equipment to do so. (I do believe I remember hearing murmurs that the cost of said equipment was subsidized by the CBS/King World/whatever folks, but I could be very wrong.)
The CBS affiliate here is just a shoddy operation, and has always been. A distant fourth-place in the market. This, and the resulting low ratings, are why they can't muster the cash to go syndie HD. They're certainly capable of it, but that would mean that their station group would decide that the station is a worthwhile investment to bring into the 21st Century.
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In Scranton/WB, it's WoF followed by J!, like it has been since 1986 - first on WYOU (CBS), and since '92 on WBRE (NBC).