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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: chad1m on December 07, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
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My About.com article for this week is what are my personal top ten game show moments of these past ten years. I tried to balance out my personal feelings with what was really important and I think I came up with a decent list, which you may view by clicking here (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/b/2009/12/07/top-ten-game-show-moments-of-the-2000s.htm\"). Also later in the week, we'll have some top-notch game show personalities divulge what they feel the top moment is and I'll post that list when it is released. :) I'd like to know what everyone else's moments are too - what do you feel is missing from my list and what would you put on your list of the top game show moments of the double-naughts?
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Bob Barker's retirement from TPIR ain't there? Love or hate the guy, whenever someone of his durability hangs it up in I don't care what field, it transcends that particular field and becomes Big News.
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The first million dollar win on "TPIR", as well as the perfect Showcase bid, should've both been on the list.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR".[/quote]I'll just venture the opinion that a million dollar win is no longer worth of extraneous media attention. With many million dollar winners since Carpenter, this isn't a special occurrence anymore.
/Brick wall, I know.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR".[/quote]
And if such is the case, then you gotta put in the first million dollar winner on Wheel, the first million dollar win on 5th grader, the first million dollar win on DoND, the first million dollar win on Don't Forget the Lyrics (EDIT: or not), the first million dollar win on 21...
Yeah, you should be able to see where I'm going. If not, then I echo Modor's sentiments...
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR", as well as the perfect Showcase bid, should've both been on the list.[/quote]
What the others said about the million dollar win. Had the perfect Showcase not turned into Pricegate 2008, I'd say maybe. But the resulting controversy almost turned what could've been an historic moment into the next Quiz Show Scandal.
I think O'Hurley taking over Feud is a bit random. He revitalized the show, and the show feels a bit more old-school, but that's not that noteworthy IMO. I'd replace that with Drew taking over for Bob.
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Now that you all have said that, I don't think the "1 vs. 100" $1M win should be there.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231760\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:51 AM\']Had the perfect Showcase not turned into Pricegate 2008, I'd say maybe. But the resulting controversy almost turned what could've been an historic moment into the next Quiz Show Scandal.[/quote]
QFT. Manufactured "moments" aren't moments.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231764\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 03:51 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231760\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:51 AM\']Had the perfect Showcase not turned into Pricegate 2008, I'd say maybe. But the resulting controversy almost turned what could've been an historic moment into the next Quiz Show Scandal.[/quote]QFT. Manufactured "moments" aren't moments.[/quote]
And why, exactly, is somebody achieving a perfect bid through means that the show has actively encouraged for decades a "manufactured" moment?
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231793\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:57 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231764\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 03:51 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231760\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:51 AM\']Had the perfect Showcase not turned into Pricegate 2008, I'd say maybe. But the resulting controversy almost turned what could've been an historic moment into the next Quiz Show Scandal.[/quote]QFT. Manufactured "moments" aren't moments.[/quote]
And why, exactly, is somebody achieving a perfect bid through means that the show has actively encouraged for decades a "manufactured" moment?
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Let me turn your question into a question. Why was that exact process treated as if it were Dan Enright telling someone to say "On The Waterfront" instead of "Marty"?
IMO, the perfect bid (despite the circumstances) wasn't the problem. Like you just wrote, the audience is encouraged to shout out the answer. The audience member who yelled out the answer just happened to be a real-life Raymond Babbitt. The handling of the situation should've been done after the taping IMHO, and not leading to this big debate of whether the win was legit. Again, the audience shouts out the dollar amounts of every TV, fridge, and car offered. Why does the Showcase get treated any differently? The show is called "The Price is Right" for a reason.
Drew, in his (understandable) frustration, drained all the drama with the way he presented the win. It was a "Let's get this over with and forget it ever happened" reaction. I like his hosting style, but I thought he completely dropped the ball with it. Not to be a fanb0i, but he should've faked it the best way he knew how, esp. given his improv background. It's water under the bridge, but it definitely flubbed what could've been a greater moment.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231799\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 12:44 AM\']Let me turn your question into a question. Why was that exact process treated as if it were Dan Enright telling someone to say "On The Waterfront" instead of "Marty"?[/quote]
Because everybody thought the point of 21 was that the contestants were coming up with these difficult answers themselves. The Price Is Right is the exact opposite -- people expect to the players to get help, to the point that Clock Game has to have its own rule forbidding it.
The rest of your post I actually think is a very good assessment.
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Two moments I'd consider both involve Drew, actually: His takeover of Price, which many here said, and Jamie Sadler doing the unplanned by winning the million on Power of 10's first show.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'231799\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 09:44 PM\']IMO, the perfect bid (despite the circumstances) wasn't the problem. Like you just wrote, the audience is encouraged to shout out the answer.[/quote]
I agree. The guy on stage had every right to use the information provided to him.
The audience member who yelled out the answer just happened to be a real-life Raymond Babbitt.
And in his douchebaggery (and please, Steve, you may tell him I said that), turned what could have been a great moment into a non-moment. That's how I see it. If Drew had sold it correctly, it still would have been douchebaggery seeing as Ted was pretty quick to brag to anyone willing to listen that it was all his doing.
Strip it from the list. Or include it, but add a big fat asterisk to it. Hell, use one of the ones on Contestant's Row if it'll make you happy.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231809\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:30 AM\']And in his douchebaggery (and please, Steve, you may tell him I said that), turned what could have been a great moment into a non-moment. That's how I see it. If Drew had sold it correctly, it still would have been douchebaggery seeing as Ted was pretty quick to brag to anyone willing to listen that it was all his doing.[/quote]
So basically, in your eyes, you're allowed to give somebody help on national television, but you're not allowed to tell anyone you're the one doing it.
...sure, Chris.
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The audience member giving the help and/or the contestant on stage could have been a little less precise and the contestant would have won anyway.
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This is exactly why no Price moments appeared in my list. That show causes more debate than any other in recent memory and I didn't want to see a pissing match develop because, quite frankly, some people can never seem to conduct themselves properly in these debates. I just didn't need that but, apparently, I got it anyway.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231832\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 07:39 AM\']So basically, in your eyes, you're allowed to give somebody help on national television, but you're not allowed to tell anyone you're the one doing it.
...sure, Chris.[/quote]
Oh, you want to play that card? Fine.
Basically my point is that the world would be a better place if a few of your Roadie buddies would get out of their parents' basement once in a while and dedicate their brains to something a little more useful than memorizing the prices of every prize given on the show in the last fifteen years.
The reason the "go ahead and shout things out" policy was ever okay in the first place was because nobody at the time ever thought that some people would raise TPiR to the level of a friggin' religion.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'231837\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:37 AM\']This is exactly why no Price moments appeared in my list. That show causes more debate than any other in recent memory and I didn't want to see a pissing match develop because, quite frankly, some people can never seem to conduct themselves properly in these debates. I just didn't need that but, apparently, I got it anyway.[/quote]
I would hate for your About.com editors to learn that your opinions are self-censored and pre-influenced by what you imagine the reaction to them is going to be.
Meanwhile, not acknowledging the retirement of Bob Barker as one of the biggest game show moments of the decade was a mistake. It is easily #2 behind the ascendancy of Millionaire, and far more significant than the Family Feud facelift that made your list. The perfect bid nonsense, and for that matter any single outstanding "win" moment, is only interesting to die-hard fans of that particular show and typically not to the viewing public at large.
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'231757\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:44 AM\'][quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR".[/quote]
And if such is the case, then you gotta put in the first million dollar winner on Wheel, the first million dollar win on 5th grader, the first million dollar win on DoND, the first million dollar win on Don't Forget the Lyrics, the first million dollar win on 21...[/quote]
Did I miss that one? I don't remember that show having any million-dollar winners.
(And if the first million dollar winner on DoND should be mentioned for anything, it should be mentioned for NBC telling the viewers in advance that somebody would win it.)
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231899\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:48 PM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'231757\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:44 AM\'][quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR".[/quote]
And if such is the case, then you gotta put in the first million dollar winner on Wheel, the first million dollar win on 5th grader, the first million dollar win on DoND, the first million dollar win on Don't Forget the Lyrics, the first million dollar win on 21...[/quote]
Did I miss that one? I don't remember that show having any million-dollar winners.
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They didn't have any Million Dollar winners. The highest anyone won was $500,000.
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'231903\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:58 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231899\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:48 PM\']
Did I miss that one? I don't remember that show having any million-dollar winners.[/quote]
They didn't have any Million Dollar winners. The highest anyone won was $500,000.
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Cumulatively, a couple of contestants won more than $1 million...off the top of my head, Dave Legler, and Rahim Oberholtzer. It was a phase where Millionaire, Greed, and 21 all went back and forth with the most ever won on a game show. And in true NBC fashion, the wins were spoiled well in advance. Morons.
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The question was in reference to Lyrics, not 21.
And didn't a celebrity finally do it, long after everyone quit caring? Or is my memory failing me?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'231910\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 04:59 PM\']The question was in reference to Lyrics, not 21.[/quote]
I see.
And didn't a celebrity finally do it, long after everyone quit caring?
But there weren't any celebrities on the first episode! ;-)
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'231910\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 04:59 PM\']And didn't a celebrity finally do it, long after everyone quit caring? Or is my memory failing me?[/quote]
Nope, no celebrity won it either.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231878\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 02:35 PM\']Basically my point is that the world would be a better place if a few of your Roadie buddies would get out of their parents' basement once in a while and dedicate their brains to something a little more useful than memorizing the prices of every prize given on the show in the last fifteen years.[/quote]
So basically, your bias against Golden-Road ruined the moment for you, not anything that Ted himself did.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231929\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 04:25 PM\']So basically, your bias against Golden-Road ruined the moment for you, not anything that Ted himself did.[/quote]
Um, sure, okay, if it ends this conversation, I'll just let you go on thinking that.
/good lord.
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[quote name=\'xavier45\' post=\'231903\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:58 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'231899\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 03:48 PM\'][quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'231757\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 11:44 AM\'][quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231753\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 01:57 PM\']The first million dollar win on "TPIR".[/quote]
And if such is the case, then you gotta put in the first million dollar winner on Wheel, the first million dollar win on 5th grader, the first million dollar win on DoND, the first million dollar win on Don't Forget the Lyrics, the first million dollar win on 21...[/quote]
Did I miss that one? I don't remember that show having any million-dollar winners.
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They didn't have any Million Dollar winners. The highest anyone won was $500,000.
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Well, shows you how much I watched that show, lol. My apologies, I seriously thought I remember hearing lots of buzz about somebody going for the final one and getting it. It must have been one of those times they went for it and flunked. Goodness knows FOX beat a herd of dead horses with such stuff between that show and 5th Grader...
I guess you could look at this two ways:
1. An example of unintentional sarcasm at how that never DID happen and thus...
2. An example (which I was ultimately going for) why a one million dollar win isn't anything different anymore (alt. "unique" or "special") on a modern GS than any other episode.
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I've been pondering this, and it kinda reminds me why I hate the internet top 10 list. There's usually maybe three or four things that absolutely obviously must be on the list, but the rest is basically "pick from a field of 20-25 items to fill out the list".
Millionaire HAS to be on the list. Ken Jennings HAS to be on the list. Deal or No Deal HAS to be on the list. Barker leaving TPiR HAS to be on the list. If you're taking an expansive definition of game show, Survivor HAS to be on the list. Outside of that, it's completely impossible. The second tier is *littered* with big winners and big losers. Second tier shows like 1 vs 100, Weakest Link, or the bank of GSN originals may have a place on the list. Once you've got the obvious ones out of the way, how do you rank the next tier reasonably?
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[quote name=\'Speedy G\' post=\'231936\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:31 PM\']Deal or No Deal HAS to be on the list.[/quote]Why?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'231937\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Speedy G\' post=\'231936\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:31 PM\']Deal or No Deal HAS to be on the list.[/quote]Why?
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Game shows were in another down state in 2005 when the show premiered. D/ND's popularity led to another resurgance in games, first in primetime, then syndication, now network daytime.
Granted, most of the primetime shows that followed D/ND's model sucked, but I give the show credit for making game shows popular again.
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I don't disagree that Barker is a glaring omission, but that was mainly due to that I knew it would likely be on the top of the personalities' lists and I wanted to focus on other moments. I'm not saying these are what should be viewed as the top ten moments, but rather what I feel the top ten moments are. It's a personal opinion list and not a depiction of how others should feel about it, so my advice is to not get too bent out of shape on it. :) Carrie has now posted a list of twelve of the biggest blunders (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/b/2009/12/08/biggest-game-show-blunders.htm\") of the decade.
If all goes according to plan, the other list featuring names like Rich Fields, Todd Newton and our very own Randy West should be posted tomorrow. If not, no later than the end of the week I'm sure.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'231761\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 12:10 PM\']Now that you all have said that, I don't think the "1 vs. 100" $1M win should be there.[/quote]You should change the "bandit" in your name to "Borg."
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231764\' date=\'Dec 7 2009, 12:51 PM\']QFT. Manufactured "moments" aren't moments.[/quote]But they did shape the way things are done. Stempel vs. Van Doren, Michael Larsen and the Perfect Bid all changed things, whether it is the creation of standards and practices, creating a bunch of new light patterns, or adding a warehouse full of previously unknown prizes, each of those manufactured moments had a profound impact on the show in question.
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'231837\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:37 AM\']This is exactly why no Price moments appeared in my list. That show causes more debate than any other in recent memory and I didn't want to see a pissing match develop because, quite frankly, some people can never seem to conduct themselves properly in these debates. I just didn't need that but, apparently, I got it anyway.[/quote]OK, but you should have led with the bit about TPIR being covered by other contributors, because otherwise it makes you look petty and childish. And I know you are neither of those things. :)
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231929\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 04:25 PM\']So basically, your bias against Golden-Road ruined the moment for you, not anything that Ted himself did.[/quote]Wait a minute. Chris is right. If Ted had kept his darn mouth shut, then possibly we all think that the whole thing is little more than a fluke. But Ted had to go and say "Look at me, I helped that guy with the perfect bid! Look at me! Pay attention to me! Lavish attention and praise upon me!"
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'231943\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 09:52 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231929\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 04:25 PM\']So basically, your bias against Golden-Road ruined the moment for you, not anything that Ted himself did.[/quote]Wait a minute. Chris is right. If Ted had kept his darn mouth shut, then possibly we all think that the whole thing is little more than a fluke. But Ted had to go and say "Look at me, I helped that guy with the perfect bid! Look at me! Pay attention to me! Lavish attention and praise upon me!"[/quote]
I never thought for a second that Terry had come up with the bid himself. My second reaction when it happened (the first, of course, being "Holy shit!") was, "Someone in the audience must have known the prices," because there's no way an average viewer does something like that on his own. I don't see why making that assumption on a show where the audience is supposed to help makes the moment any less special.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231950\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 07:36 PM\']I don't see why making that assumption on a show where the audience is supposed to help makes the moment any less special.[/quote]It is less special precisely because of the last sentence of mine that you quoted.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'231951\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 10:53 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231950\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 07:36 PM\']I don't see why making that assumption on a show where the audience is supposed to help makes the moment any less special.[/quote]It is less special precisely because of the last sentence of mine that you quoted.[/quote]
Then I have to assume you've never actually bothered to read any of Ted's posts. He doesn't "brag;" he just enjoys using his hobby to help people win. He's given perfect bids in the studio before, and he was understandably excited that a contestant had finally used one of them.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231953\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:10 PM\']Then I have to assume you've never actually bothered to read any of Ted's posts. He doesn't "brag;" he just enjoys using his hobby to help people win.[/quote]OK, but he had to say something to someone at some point, right?
And I question his use of the word hobby, but that's neither here nor there.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231953\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:10 PM\']He doesn't "brag;"[/quote]
[quote name=\'Ted - related to the incident\']For the record, this was the third time that I got a showcase on the nose while in the studio... It was also fun to help Sharon win the car in One Away, although she could have had an extra $500 had she taken my bid on the washer/dryer... And for the record, Terry was listening to me when he switched those prices...Did anybody notice that they avoided shooting me at all during the one-bids?...Perhaps they knew ahead of time that I was a "ringer"[/quote] - From this thread (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9640.0.html\").
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'231956\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:37 PM\']And I question his use of the word hobby, but that's neither here nor there.[/quote]
Oh, it's a weird hobby, to be sure...but I'm not exactly in a position to be criticizing weird hobbies.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'231958\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:57 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231953\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 11:10 PM\']He doesn't "brag;"[/quote]
[quote name=\'Ted - related to the incident\']For the record, this was the third time that I got a showcase on the nose while in the studio... It was also fun to help Sharon win the car in One Away, although she could have had an extra $500 had she taken my bid on the washer/dryer... And for the record, Terry was listening to me when he switched those prices...Did anybody notice that they avoided shooting me at all during the one-bids?...Perhaps they knew ahead of time that I was a "ringer"[/quote] - From this thread (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9640.0.html\").[/quote]
Okay, I guess that could be read as bragging...maybe the fact that I've talked to Ted off of the forums gives me a different view of how he's saying that.
EDIT: Actually, I see now that that post is from Golden-Road...we know he does this and don't really think anything of it when he discusses it.
EDIT AGAIN: And why did I not click the link before I replied? The full quote, which sounds a lot more excited and a lot less braggish, is, "For the record, this was the third time that I got a showcase on the nose while in the studio. The other two times were in 1992 (two days before I was chosen as a contestant) and 2005. It was awesome to have somebody listening to me this time, especially somebody who I steered wrong in 'Switch?'."
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231959\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 08:59 PM\']Oh, it's a weird hobby, to be sure...but I'm not exactly in a position to be criticizing weird hobbies.[/quote]
How *is* Marc, anyhow? Please let him know that my girlfriend thought the polenta I made for dinner on Monday night was fabulous.
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231960\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 09:00 PM\']The full quote, which sounds a lot more excited and a lot less braggish, is, "For the record, this was the third time that I got a showcase on the nose while in the studio.[/quote]
Um, no, that still sounds a whole lot braggish.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231964\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 03:51 AM\']Um, no, that still sounds a whole lot braggish.[/quote]
It sounds like a guy who was glad he was able to help someone else make history.
Of course, if you want it to sound braggish, it's gonna sound braggish.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231966\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 08:29 AM\']Of course, if you want it to sound braggish, it's gonna sound braggish.[/quote]
I dunno. Sounded kinda braggish to me too, and I couldn't care less. Bragging about using your mad skilz to help other people is still bragging. I have many braggarts among my friends whose braggarty (braggocity?) is easy to overlook because they're perfectly swell guys otherwise, and I imagine something like that is at work here.
On the other hand I don't particularly see what the problem is if he wants to brag about it. Good lord, of course the bidder got help from somebody in the audience. Was that ever remotely in doubt? So this audience member wants the fan base to know it was him. Sure, I can see that. It's going to make him look dickish to some, it's going to make him a hero to others, and to the rest of the world, it's going to fall into that great big middle ground of mild curiosity or outright couldn't-care-less.
In other words, you two are looking at the exact same set of facts from two different perspectives and not surprisingly arriving at two different conclusions. That's fine, but it really serves no purpose at all for the two of you to keep taking potshots at each other for it. Move along.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'231878\' date=\'Dec 8 2009, 02:35 PM\']Basically my point is that the world would be a better place if a few of your Roadie buddies would get out of their parents' basement once in a while and dedicate their brains to something a little more useful than memorizing the prices of every prize given on the show in the last fifteen years.[/quote]
Not to defend Steve (Lord knows I would never do that), but this is pretty funny coming from a guy with 18,000+ posts.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'231968\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 07:55 AM\']but this is pretty funny coming from a guy with 18,000+ posts.[/quote]
*smooch* Don't ever change.
/there, 18,001
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'231967\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 10:39 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'231966\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 08:29 AM\']Of course, if you want it to sound braggish, it's gonna sound braggish.[/quote]I dunno. Sounded kinda braggish to me too, and I couldn't care less. Bragging about using your mad skilz to help other people is still bragging. I have many braggarts among my friends whose braggarty (braggocity?) is easy to overlook because they're perfectly swell guys otherwise, and I imagine something like that is at work here.[/quote]
Eh, you're right.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'231967\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 10:39 AM\']In other words, you two are looking at the exact same set of facts from two different perspectives and not surprisingly arriving at two different conclusions. That's fine, but it really serves no purpose at all for the two of you to keep taking potshots at each other for it. Move along.[/quote]
Right again.
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Aaand now the new list is up (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/od/quizzestrivia/a/favorite_moments_2000s.htm\"), with contributions from those experienced in the game show field like Rich Fields, Todd Newton and Pat Kiernan (with hopefully more names to come!)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'232002\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 06:11 PM\']Aaand now the new list is up (http://\"http://gameshows.about.com/od/quizzestrivia/a/favorite_moments_2000s.htm\"), with contributions from those experienced in the game show field like Rich Fields, Todd Newton and Pat Kiernan (with hopefully more names to come!)[/quote]I love it. What great and thoughtful answers.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'231967\' date=\'Dec 9 2009, 07:39 AM\']I have many braggarts among my friends whose braggarty[/quote] Sounds like you're nine-tenths of the way to a hit game show. Just add an exclamation point and you're good.
On the other hand I don't particularly see what the problem is if he wants to brag about it.
Just my perspective, but I don't particularly think that he's in a position to brag. I don't think there are all that many people who are. If you can dunk from the free-throw line but can only say "I like, um..." in the post-game interview, I don't think that person should be bragging. Or the kid who wins a spelling bee on autocthonous but can't tie his shoes. I don't believe that someone who directly contributed to another guy's perfect bid on a game show is in a position to brag.
But that's just one guy's perspective. :)