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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: opimus on November 02, 2003, 08:54:18 PM
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CBS must have used a clip from an unaired pilot. The clip showed Jack at a podium standing between two contestants.
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That is exactly what I was thinking. I didn't know of another pilot being shot besides the Black and White one with Allen Ludden. Very interesting to see 3 seconds of it though.
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[quote name=\'opimus\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 08:54 PM\'] CBS must have used a clip from an unaired pilot. The clip showed Jack at a podium standing between two contestants. [/quote]
I'm not sure what pilot the clip of Peter T. was from(I think the clip is the same one seen in the "How to Play the Game" section of the NBC Carl Reiner-hosted 1984 Wonderful GS moments special, and I think the Gambit clip might be the same one on said special). Well-known shows with no clip seen: Password, Pyramid, PYL, and Tattletales.
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I'm not sure what pilot the clip of Peter T. was from
Given all of three seconds to go on, I'm tempted to think it might be something called Winds of Fortune. Matt Kaiser describes it as "confusing" on his website:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/59...oldpilots2.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/5987/unsoldpilots2.html\")
Other Peter Tomarken unsold pilots I only know by title:
Duel in the Daytime 8/23/1981
Show Me The World c1980s
Two Heads are Better Than One 10/6/1990
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 09:39 PM\']
Other Peter Tomarken unsold pilots I only know by title:
Duel in the Daytime 8/23/1981
Show Me The World c1980s
Two Heads are Better Than One 10/6/1990 [/quote]
He also did Rodeo Drive(1981 Wolpert pilot somewhat like the show that aired on Lifetime), and TKO for Goodson(1990), and it was reported several years back that he did the Wordplay pilot in 1986. He also did a pilot for a psychic-based show for ABC, and ABC aired that pilot on a Saturday afteroon in Spring 1987.
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If I had to guess on the Peter Tomarken mystery clip, I'd go with "none of the above." The 1984 NBC special showed another clip from the same pilot where Peter says something like "Here comes the first bulletin!" followed by a Teletype/morse code sound effect, which really doesn't fit what we know about the speculated-about pilots already mentioned. Well, frankly, we know nothing about "Dual in the Daytime," so it might be that, but based on the photo I've seen, the set looks too plain for that. Aaaaannnd now I'm rambling. The "Joker"clip was cool though.
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[quote name=\'opimus\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 07:54 PM\'] CBS must have used a clip from an unaired pilot. The clip showed Jack at a podium standing between two contestants. [/quote]
For a week, TJW had tried to have celebrities play the game where the contestants stood & have the contestans stood between Jack Barry. I remember seeing that!
That format failed & were back to contestants only.
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DARN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dad was watching something on PBS, so I MISSED the clip that was shown tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can someone upload it for me, please????????????
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The clip of Wink Martindale hosting "Gambit" was, of course, from "Las Vegas Gambit"... which aired on NBC.
Where was IGAS? PYL?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 09:39 PM\'] Given all of three seconds to go on, I'm tempted to think it might be something called Winds of Fortune. Matt Kaiser describes it as "confusing" on his website:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/59...oldpilots2.html (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/5987/unsoldpilots2.html\")
Other Peter Tomarken unsold pilots I only know by title:
Duel in the Daytime 8/23/1981
Show Me The World c1980s
Two Heads are Better Than One 10/6/1990 [/quote]
Having seen Winds of Fortune and Show Me the World, I can tell you the mystery Tomarken show was neither of these titles. Both shows were taped in Asia (Malaysia, IIRC) around 1997.
For those that care, Winds of Fortune's game play centered around the Asian game mahjongg. I don't remember much about Show Me the World, which probably isn't a bad thing.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 09:58 PM\'] TJW had tried to have celebrities play the between Jackgame where the contestants stood & have the contestans stood Barry. I remember seeing that!
That format failed & were back to contestants only.
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When did this celebrity week run on CBS? I don't remember seeing it on the GSN run of the CBS repeats.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 07:39 PM\'] Given all of three seconds to go on, I'm tempted to think it might be something called Winds of Fortune. [/quote]
Is it completely impossible that it might have come from the blooper reel from Tomarken goofing around on an episode of PYL? Granted, the rules explanation is a bit odd, but if that background color isn't the exact same color they used for the cycs on the PYL set, then I've never seen it before.
If this pilot was screened at GSC8, then ostensibly one of the attendees is a member here, and might be able to confirm or deny?
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When did this celebrity week run on CBS? I don't remember seeing it on the GSN run of the CBS repeats.
Apparently it was later in the run...
From the classicjokerswild Yahoo! Group:
4. "The Joker's Wild" oftentimes featured well-known celebrities competing for
charity. Here is a typical Celebrity Joker's Wild week from January 1974:
January 7: Rod McKuen
January 8: Morey Amsterdam, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Lyle Waggoner, Peggy Lennon
January 9: Ross Hunter, Ross Martin, Fannie Flagg
January 10: Martha Raye, Bill Daily, Ann Elder
January 11: Peggy Cass, Doc Severinsen, Marty Ingels
Where was IGAS?
Well, they did have the intro...
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The peter clip was from the Rodeo Drive pilot. On another special there is another clip of peter saying, "here come the bulletins" and he has cards that have a big RD on them.
As for Joker, I want to go on record as saying, Al Martella, The Game Show Informational Specialist called me exactly 10 minutes after that Joker clip aired and spotted it as the special week of shows in which they reverted back to the pilot format with celebrities which meant the contestants went aside of Jack!
Bravo Al! :)
John
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"The Joker's Wild" oftentimes featured well-known celebrities competing for
charity. Here is a typical Celebrity Joker's Wild week from January 1974:
According to TVGuide, a celebrity week of "Joker's Wild" did air in January 1974. If there were any other celebrity weeks, TVGuide didn't list the celebrities, so I tend to think that was the only time it happened.
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Anyone else find it just really strange that CBS would even use a clip from this unsold pilot with Peter Tomarken (which I assume was meant to emulate Press your Luck), when most of the real episodes are intact? I mean, were I to go to first choice of a 5 second PYL clip to use, it would easily be a whammy running across the screen.
I was really disappointed with the show game show segment. I've said many times that I'm no big fan of panel shows, but shows from 1975-2000 other than TPiR were virtually non-existant. It was all old B&W panel shows, minus the 5 second Wink, Peter, and TJW clips. Did this have something to do with GSN holding airing rights to some of these shows or what?
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Hmmmm......could be. If they used clips from what appears to be a couple of pilots, maybe CBS still owns the pilots outright and it was easier to use? =)
j
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[quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 04:02 PM\'] Anyone else find it just really strange that CBS would even use a clip from this unsold pilot with Peter Tomarken (which I assume was meant to emulate Press your Luck), when most of the real episodes are intact? I mean, were I to go to first choice of a 5 second PYL clip to use, it would easily be a whammy running across the screen.
I was really disappointed with the show game show segment. I've said many times that I'm no big fan of panel shows, but shows from 1975-2000 other than TPiR were virtually non-existant. It was all old B&W panel shows, minus the 5 second Wink, Peter, and TJW clips. Did this have something to do with GSN holding airing rights to some of these shows or what? [/quote]
What we have to remember is that game shows were not a high priority for the producers of the special. Yes, they needed to recognize Bob Barker, but I'm sure the task of assembling the game show montage was given to somebody way down the totem pole, someone who may not actually have had much of a sense of the history of the shows in the first place.
My guess is that rather than culling through thousands of episodes of shows, they went to some archive of clips (the same archive used by other shows, from the sounds of things) and pieced together the CBS ones. I wouldn't be surprised, nor particularly disappointed, to find out that the person assembling that package didn't know that there was an NBC version of Gambit or that the Tomarken clip wasn't actually from Press Your Luck.
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[quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 03:02 PM\']
I was really disappointed with the show game show segment. I've said many times that I'm no big fan of panel shows, but shows from 1975-2000 other than TPiR were virtually non-existant. It was all old B&W panel shows, minus the 5 second Wink, Peter, and TJW clips.
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Well, duh! The idea in shows like this is nostalgia. They're appealing to the audience that wants to remember stuff, and if the idea of the show is 75 years, showing stuff from the last 25 or so isn't going to cut it.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 06:05 PM\'] Well, duh! The idea in shows like this is nostalgia. They're appealing to the audience that wants to remember stuff, and if the idea of the show is 75 years, showing stuff from the last 25 or so isn't going to cut it. [/quote]
Actually, the vast majority of the clips were taken from the seventies and eighties, generally considered the quality era for CBS scripted programming. They were surprisingly light on current shows (you'd think they would use the special to plug a few of the newbies) and with notable exceptions like I Love Lucy, pretty light on the earlier stuff as well.
And for the record, the game show montage was not dominated by panel shows in general. They showed several longer WML? clips in order to give us some famous Mystery Guest faces. All that was given to TTTT and IGAS was a title card and voiceover of the name of the show.
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All I can say is--where did they dig up Strike it Rich, Bid-N-Buy, Quiz Kids, and I'll Buy That [the show w/ Mike Wallace]?! I gotta applaud CBS for digging up long-since forgotten clips like those that were thought to be completely lost.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 05:59 PM\']Actually, the vast majority of the clips were taken from the seventies and eighties, generally considered the quality era for CBS scripted programming. They were surprisingly light on current shows (you'd think they would use the special to plug a few of the newbies) and with notable exceptions like I Love Lucy, pretty light on the earlier stuff as well.[/quote]
And it seemed to me that the game show package was truncated on the fly to cover what seemed to be a technical bobble before the David Copperfield spot. (They ran a promo coming out of the commercial, had a few crowd shots, went back to promos with the "CBS 75" logo bug still up and then abruptly went into Copperfield's spot). Since the "WML?" clip of Jimmy Carter was in the opening (of course, from the syndie version, but...), I would assume that it was included in the package.
The reason for all this, of course, is so that the affiliates would have their late news on time on night four of the November sweeps, since there was no football overrun last night.
I would have assumed that a reality package had been scheduled but got cut in the process (Art Linkletter with the kids on "House Party," classic "Candid Camera," maybe even "The Verdict is Yours" and then jumping over the decades to "Survivor," "Big Brother" and "The Amazing Race"). I thought we would've seen more of "Survivor" than Jeff Probst holding up a ballot saying "Dave" and Richard Hatch doing-you-know-what on the Palua Tigu beach.
The find of the night for me had nothing to do with game shows--it was the clip from what I guess was the only color episode of "Burns and Allen." That was great to see (and can TV Land air that ep some time?).
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I've said many times that I'm no big fan of panel shows, but shows from 1975-2000 other than TPiR were virtually non-existant. It was all old B&W panel shows, minus the 5 second Wink, Peter, and TJW clips.
Well, they did show about two or three seconds of Match Game, albeit from the 'Star Wheel' era. But they also excluded Collyer's Beat the Clock and DeWitt's Name That Tune. Somewhere up there, Bud and George are giving Mr. Paley a good yelling-at!
And if I were running the special, I would've said NO to Barker doing the GS segment, and YES to Martindale, Eubanks, and Tomarken doing it instead!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Paola Diva of the Big Board!'
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 11:41 PM\'] [quote name=\'nWo_Whammy\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 03:02 PM\'] I've said many times that I'm no big fan of panel shows, but shows from 1975-2000 other than TPiR were virtually non-existant. It was all old B&W panel shows, minus the 5 second Wink, Peter, and TJW clips. [/quote]
Well, they did show about two or three seconds of Match Game, albeit from the 'Star Wheel' era. But they also excluded Collyer's Beat the Clock and DeWitt's Name That Tune. Somewhere up there, Bud and George are giving Mr. Paley a good yelling-at!
And if I were running the special, I would've said NO to Barker doing the GS segment, and YES to Martindale, Eubanks, and Tomarken doing it instead!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Paola Diva of the Big Board!' [/quote]
It would have been nice to see all three, really. But hey, it was nice to hear Rod Roddy introduce Bob one last time. I'm a little surprised there was no mention of Feud or CS, but then, both had versions on other networks (but then what about Gambit?).
Is it possible that the LVG clip could have come from a pilot as well? Perhaps it was shopped to CBS at one point.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 03:49 PM\'] What we have to remember is that game shows were not a high priority for the producers of the special. Yes, they needed to recognize Bob Barker, but I'm sure the task of assembling the game show montage was given to somebody way down the totem pole, someone who may not actually have had much of a sense of the history of the shows in the first place. [/quote]
...which is a shame, because the rest of the special, even if it wasn't perfect, showed a deep respect for the network's history. The producers of those NBC/ABC atrocities probably wouldn't have even shown Burns & Allen, Our Miss Brooks or Sgt. Bilko, or the first live drama clip from the 1950s.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 06:21 PM\'] The find of the night for me had nothing to do with game shows--it was the clip from what I guess was the only color episode of "Burns and Allen." That was great to see (and can TV Land air that ep some time?). [/quote]
I was once told there were three or four "Burns and Allen" eps shot in color (all during the 1957-58 season) and they were something to see. I know it took my breath away when I actually heard Harry Von Zell say "The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show, in color!" I had never seen that before and it was great. And I think TV Land *does* have the rights, or did at one time.
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If I am not mistaken, the credit for compiling the different TV shows went to Andrew Solt. He and Peter T. were the of the producers for the 1984 NBC GS special, which might explain why a clip of Peter hosting the Rodeo Drive pilot made it into the game show clips, as well as many of the other classic shows. In fact, they were laid out almost the exact same way!
Tyshaun
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Speaking of game show packages from other specials reused for other specials, TPIR classic clips used on the 25th Anniversary Special have been popping up on other CBS specials, sometimes in the exact same order, or cut up abit. Even the effects from one clip to another were kept intact. On the first "Funny Flubs and Screw-Ups" with Patrick Duffy, they showed the same clips as on the 25th Special, but cut up a little, and very bad i might add.
I wish that CBS or TPIR would show some other clips for the show. "I Love the 70s" special used clips not before seen before, but nothing exciting happened.
But i was surprised to see less game show mention in the CBs 75th special than the TV City one, a few months ago. In that one, they even showed "CELEBRITY TABLE TENNIS" lol.