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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: pyrfan on July 20, 2009, 01:16:16 AM
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The thread about the "$25,000 Pyramid" skipping got me thinking: How many celebs besides Jean Bruce Scott do we think vetoed their appearances on one or more GSN game shows? These are the ones I can think of:
Adam Arkin (Match Game '77, Match Game PM)
Anitra Ford (Match Game '76)
Betty Thomas (Password Plus, Body Language)
Fern Fitzgerald (Body Language)
James B. Sikking (Password)
Jay Leno (Tattletales)
Jimmie Walker (Match Game syndie -- though his appearances on every other version of MG have aired on GSN, as have his appearances on other game shows)
Steve Kanaly (Match Game syndie -- though his two PM episodes did air at least once apiece on GSN, as did his week of All-Star Beat The Clock)
Valerie Bertinelli (Match Game '78, Match Game PM -- though three of her $20,000 Pyramid episodes did air on GSN)
Brendan
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I remember reading somewhere (whether it was here, ATGS, or the GSN board I can't recall) that when asked about the question, Jimmie Walker says he didn't give the veto to any episodes and doesn't know why the shows don't air.
Don't forget about the Newharts on Tattletales, and wasn't there some trouble with Leslie Nielsen's MG7x episodes for awhile? I know they have aired at some point.
Greg
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'220536\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 12:16 AM\']The thread about the "$25,000 Pyramid" skipping got me thinking: How many celebs besides Jean Bruce Scott do we think vetoed their appearances on one or more GSN game shows? These are the ones I can think of:
Adam Arkin (Match Game '77, Match Game PM)
Anitra Ford (Match Game '76)
Betty Thomas (Password Plus, Body Language)
Fern Fitzgerald (Body Language)
James B. Sikking (Password)
Jay Leno (Tattletales)
Jimmie Walker (Match Game syndie -- though his appearances on every other version of MG have aired on GSN, as have his appearances on other game shows)
Steve Kanaly (Match Game syndie -- though his two PM episodes did air at least once apiece on GSN, as did his week of All-Star Beat The Clock)
Valerie Bertinelli (Match Game '78, Match Game PM -- though three of her $20,000 Pyramid episodes did air on GSN)[/quote]
Do we know that any of these celebrities actually did veto appearances? ()ther than Ginny Newhart on Tattletales -- and do we even know for sure she did?
I could see Jay Leno wanting to get rid of an early appearance in his career, and if Valerie Bertinelli played MG like she did Pyramid, that one might make sense too -- but honestly, why would the others not want face time?
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I'm pretty sure it is/was celebrity vetoes keeping them off GSN. In the now famous letter I wrote to David Schwartz in 1996, his reply stated that any celebrity appearance after 1973 the celebrity had to sign a waiver allowing it to re-air, otherwise GSN couldn't air it. (Same goes for music clearances, that's why music on the '70s Newlywed Game was altered).
Over the years they seem to have gotten more clearances. Examples: Steve Lawrence and Edie Gorme seemed to be two holdouts originally, because the premiere week of 1982 Tattletales never aired in the early years. Last time through they aired the whole week. I believe Anthony and Dereth Newley were two others, besides Ginny Newhart.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220550\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 07:18 AM\']...if Valerie Bertinelli played MG like she did Pyramid, that one might make sense too...[/quote]
So in 1978, Valerie was 18. Out of curiosity, did that make her the youngest celeb to appear on either or both of those shows? (Excluding All-Star Junior/Junior Partner Pyramid.)
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'220557\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 12:50 PM\'][quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220550\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 07:18 AM\']...if Valerie Bertinelli played MG like she did Pyramid, that one might make sense too...[/quote]
So in 1978, Valerie was 18. Out of curiosity, did that make her the youngest celeb to appear on either or both of those shows? (Excluding All-Star Junior/Junior Partner Pyramid.)
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Jill Whelan (Love Boat) and Philip McKeon (Alice) did Pyramid the week of August 15, 1983. Jill would not turn 17 until the following month.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220550\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:18 AM\']I could see Jay Leno wanting to get rid of an early appearance in his career, and if Valerie Bertinelli played MG like she did Pyramid, that one might make sense too -- but honestly, why would the others not want face time?[/quote]
I think that there is probably a mindset among certain performers that the 'face time' of a dredged up, decades-old game show appearance could theoretically do more harm than good to those still trying to carve out a living as a Serious Actor (or, in the case of Betty Thomas, Serious Director). If that list is any indication, it would appear to be a minority viewpoint, and it probably doesn't explain every single example.
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220550\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:18 AM\']Do we know that any of these celebrities actually did veto appearances?[/quote]
Seems to me that we have a combination of information (from Schwartz at GSN, mostly) and assumption, some of which is a little suspect. Walker, for example, flatly denies it, and most of his episodes have aired. Why then would he be on a veto list?
I have a small, specific list hidden away somewhere that I'll try to find. Seems like there were a couple other big names on it that haven't been mentioend.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220564\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 11:11 AM\']I think that there is probably a mindset among certain performers that the 'face time' of a dredged up, decades-old game show appearance could theoretically do more harm than good to those still trying to carve out a living as a Serious Actor (or, in the case of Betty Thomas, Serious Director).[/quote]
That said. I don't see that applying to Jay Leno. He would milk the hell out of it for laughs when someone would dredge up an old clip on his show.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220569\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 02:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220564\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 11:11 AM\']I think that there is probably a mindset among certain performers that the 'face time' of a dredged up, decades-old game show appearance could theoretically do more harm than good to those still trying to carve out a living as a Serious Actor (or, in the case of Betty Thomas, Serious Director).[/quote]That said. I don't see that applying to Jay Leno. He would milk the hell out of it for laughs when someone would dredge up an old clip on his show.[/quote]
Absolutely. The Leno one puzzles me as well.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220571\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 03:03 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220569\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 02:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220564\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 11:11 AM\']I think that there is probably a mindset among certain performers that the 'face time' of a dredged up, decades-old game show appearance could theoretically do more harm than good to those still trying to carve out a living as a Serious Actor (or, in the case of Betty Thomas, Serious Director).[/quote]That said. I don't see that applying to Jay Leno. He would milk the hell out of it for laughs when someone would dredge up an old clip on his show.[/quote]
Absolutely. The Leno one puzzles me as well.
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I'm thinking Mavis Leno (Jay's wife) put the kibosh on their TT appearance. Given her work on women's rights (particularly defending the rights of women in Afghanistan), she may be uncomfortable being showcased as a goof on TV.
James
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I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220587\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 04:59 PM\']I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.[/quote]
One with Dan Rowan slipped through. It was an eppy that Dick Martin was on as well. It was from the 1982-84 run and what I recall most about it was Dan calling the questions "sophomoric".
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I wonder if Betty Thomas would have veto power over "The Fun Factory."? Isn't it a little unfair to deny Dick Blasucci some meager GSN residuals?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'220594\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 06:07 PM\']I wonder if Betty Thomas would have veto power over "The Fun Factory."? Isn't it a little unfair to deny Dick Blasucci some meager GSN residuals?[/quote]
Well, has GSN ever aired it even though its in their vaults. Between her and Sikking, I wonder what disdain Hill Street Blues alumni have towards GSN, Barbara Bosson's horrible week on $25K Pyramid rerun multiple times aside.
I'll just lurk away and pray for Mavis Leno and Tracy Pollan...among others...
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According to TV Guide listings for late June of 77, Jay Leno appeared on Tattletales not with Mavis but with Adele Blue (Obviously not the similarly named singer who has appeared on "The Tonight Show," who was born in 1988.)
Also on the show were the Vic Taybacks and Jack Douglas and Reiko. Maybe they can't locate Jack Douglas and Reiko to green-light.
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Another semi-notable name who I believe belongs in this thread: Serious Journalist Chuck Henry, of NYSI '89.
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'220645\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 09:38 PM\']Another semi-notable name who I believe belongs in this thread: Serious Journalist Chuck Henry, of NYSI '89.[/quote]And, Now You See It (http://\"http://pylp.fastpalaces.com/nysi89snap.jpg\")!
(snap taken from xanfan.com)
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220688\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 05:59 AM\'][quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'220645\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 09:38 PM\']Another semi-notable name who I believe belongs in this thread: Serious Journalist Chuck Henry, of NYSI '89.[/quote]And, Now You See It (http://\"http://pylp.fastpalaces.com/nysi89snap.jpg\")!
(snap taken from xanfan.com)
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Win.
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[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'220645\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 10:38 PM\']Another semi-notable name who I believe belongs in this thread: Serious Journalist Chuck Henry, of NYSI '89.[/quote]
Hey...it takes real guts to have to be rescued from a brush fire you're reporting from! Wouldn't want a stint on a silly game show to mar that!
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I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.
The only one that really surprises me from that list is Michael J. Fox. IIRC, some of his Pyramid shows have aired on GSN. I was always under the impression the waiver was "all or nothing". It looks as if they did have the right to say "these ones can air but these ones can't".
That would also probably explain why Fun Factory was allowed to air - even if it was just two episodes.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'220690\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 06:55 AM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'220688\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 05:59 AM\'][quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'220645\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 09:38 PM\']Another semi-notable name who I believe belongs in this thread: Serious Journalist Chuck Henry, of NYSI '89.[/quote]And, Now You See It (http://\"http://pylp.fastpalaces.com/nysi89snap.jpg\")!
(snap taken from xanfan.com)
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Win.
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I concur...well played!
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Another ex-rectum possibility:
The need to get waivers/permission vary from production company to production company? For example, Ms. Bertinelli signed her rights away to Bob Stewart but not Mark Goodson. Just another unfounded piece of speculation.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'220698\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 07:54 AM\']
I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.
The only one that really surprises me from that list is Michael J. Fox. IIRC, some of his Pyramid shows have aired on GSN. I was always under the impression the waiver was "all or nothing". It looks as if they did have the right to say "these ones can air but these ones can't".
That would also probably explain why Fun Factory was allowed to air - even if it was just two episodes.
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I have a theory with Michael J. Fox's appearances on Tattletales (I didn't even know he'd done the show) -- he would have made them with his "special lady," whoever that was at the time (Denise Miller?). Tracy Pollan didn't appear on Family Ties until 1985, a year after Tattletales bit the dust, and they didn't start dating until two or three years after that.
Expanding a bit: before we all go blaming Tracy Pollan, the veto probably came years ago, when Fox and Pollan's kids were very small (they have a 20-year-old son, twin 14-year-old girls, and a seven-year-old girl) -- and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to explain why Daddy was on a TV show with a woman who wasn't Mommy. (For example, I'm not telling my son that I dated his "Aunt" Kris before my wife and I became a couple for many, many years, if ever. Unlike How I Met Your Mother's example, not everything needs full disclosure.)
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Like the theory, but that would mean they'd have to shield the kids from seeing Daddy with Courtney Cox, all those leading ladies in his movies, etc.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'220733\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 12:16 PM\']Like the theory, but that would mean they'd have to shield the kids from seeing Daddy with Courtney Cox, all those leading ladies in his movies, etc.[/quote]
And that feeds into the theory that Tracy Pollan got Carla Gugino bounced from Spin City because she thought their love scenes were too realistic -- which I don't buy into. But even the kids can probably tell the difference between a "real life" show like Tattletales and when Daddy is pretending on Family Ties or Back to the Future. (Either that or he had a really bad breakup with Denise Miller.)
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I do wonder if some of what appear to be vetoes are actually just the celebrities never responding to GSN's inquiries. Or would an attempt to contact be sufficient to allow them to be aired?
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'220801\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 09:18 PM\']I do wonder if some of what appear to be vetoes are actually just the celebrities never responding to GSN's inquiries. Or would an attempt to contact be sufficient to allow them to be aired?[/quote]
Sufficient? Ultimately we know that this is a courtesy that GSN is extending to these people. They've bought the rights to the library, none of this "X wants this show off the market" is in the contract, and if they wanted to run the show, they are within their rights to do so.
So, that being said, why would they consider "ooh, he's not home" sufficient to end the courtesy they're under no obligation to extend in the first place?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'220736\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 01:21 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'220733\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 12:16 PM\']Like the theory, but that would mean they'd have to shield the kids from seeing Daddy with Courtney Cox, all those leading ladies in his movies, etc.[/quote]
And that feeds into the theory that Tracy Pollan got Carla Gugino bounced from Spin City because she thought their love scenes were too realistic -- which I don't buy into. But even the kids can probably tell the difference between a "real life" show like Tattletales and when Daddy is pretending on Family Ties or Back to the Future. (Either that or he had a really bad breakup with Denise Miller.)
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Wasn't Michael dating Nancy McKeon in the early '80s? If she was his partner on "Tattletales," it wouldn't surprise me if she was the one who put the kibosh on the GSN reruns. She seems to want to distance herself from her "Facts Of Life" days.
FYI: One of Michael's "Pyramid" weeks with Denise Miller aired on GSN twice, and during that week, Denise announced that she had just gotten married.
Brendan
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220802\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 12:25 AM\']Ultimately we know that this is a courtesy that GSN is extending to these people. They've bought the rights to the library, none of this "X wants this show off the market" is in the contract, and if they wanted to run the show, they are within their rights to do so.[/quote]
Well, see, I didn't know that.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'220982\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 12:05 AM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220802\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 12:25 AM\']Ultimately we know that this is a courtesy that GSN is extending to these people. They've bought the rights to the library, none of this "X wants this show off the market" is in the contract, and if they wanted to run the show, they are within their rights to do so.[/quote]Well, see, I didn't know that.[/quote]
That's because it's not true, or at least not nearly that simple.
GSN believes they are legally required to obtain permission from celebrities to use their appearances, at least in many (most?) circumstances. I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of the legal issues, but it seems to boil down to the fact that the agreements the stars signed back in the day were for single airings, not for replays. Who knew back in the sixties and seventies that these shows would ever be replayed?
As I've said, it's complicated, and GSN might be being overly cautious, much as they've been with the cigarette-sponsored classics. My understanding is that the company that released the DVD sets did NOT pursue getting clearances from all the stars who were featured, and obviously home video rights were not part of any original contracts. Still, GSN doesn't believe they're going to all this trouble as a courtesy. They think it's something they have to do, and if a star doesn't agree, then they believe they have to abide by the star's wishes.
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'220877\' date=\'Jul 23 2009, 12:28 AM\']She seems to want to distance herself from her "Facts Of Life" days.[/quote]
She wants to distance herself from the program which provided her big break? Ungrateful brat!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220988\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 06:34 AM\']GSN believes they are legally required to obtain permission from celebrities to use their appearances, at least in many (most?) circumstances.[/quote]
Okay, see, I didn't know about that issue. So I sit corrected.
I still stand by "he's not home" being insufficient to lift an embargo on an appearance, though. :)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220988\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 08:34 AM\']GSN believes they are legally required to obtain permission from celebrities to use their appearances, at least in many (most?) circumstances.[/quote]Believes? Isn't that why they have lawyers?
much as they've been with the cigarette-sponsored classics
I seem to recall reading they yanked them after receiving a solo viewer complaint. They should have stood their ground instead of being wimps about it and catering to that consumer's demand.
First AND only time GSN listened to a viewer.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'221015\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 05:15 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220988\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 08:34 AM\']GSN believes they are legally required to obtain permission from celebrities to use their appearances, at least in many (most?) circumstances.[/quote]Believes? Isn't that why they have lawyers?
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I'm quite sure a lawyer came up with the dictum -- many companies have staff lawyers. It's not going to harm the business if an occasional rerun of a 35 year old program is skipped -- it's a lot safer than being sued for it.
I occasionally have to deal with the oddest requests for removal from our databases, including one today where an artist asked to be removed, even though this means her data will no longer be available to any major retail to help her promote sales. Sometimes life, especially when the law is involved, makes no sense.
--Mike
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Aren't you glad Dick Dawson said yes?
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'221042\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 09:00 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'221015\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 05:15 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220988\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 08:34 AM\']GSN believes they are legally required to obtain permission from celebrities to use their appearances, at least in many (most?) circumstances.[/quote]Believes? Isn't that why they have lawyers?
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I'm quite sure a lawyer came up with the dictum -- many companies have staff lawyers. It's not going to harm the business if an occasional rerun of a 35 year old program is skipped -- it's a lot safer than being sued for it.
I occasionally have to deal with the oddest requests for removal from our databases, including one today where an artist asked to be removed, even though this means her data will no longer be available to any major retail to help her promote sales. Sometimes life, especially when the law is involved, makes no sense.
--Mike
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I take it this artist has a want to be perpetually starving rather than have any sort of success. I'd pray for her soul if there was concrerte proof that she had one alongside herbrain.
I'd really like to see the exact law that allows for this unreasonable veto power and the circumstances that led to its enactment. It's a shame that such a law exists (and naturally the US is probably the only western nation who has one) because why should people in entertainment be allowed to whitewash their debatable bad moves. Most of us have to live with our bad decisions and get no veto power over them, why should entertainers be any different.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'220587\' date=\'Jul 20 2009, 04:59 PM\']I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.[/quote]
Update: I checked my records, and one of Michael's partners on the show was "Gimme a Break" star Kari Michaelsen.
Brendan
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'221058\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 08:48 PM\']because why should people in entertainment be allowed to whitewash their debatable bad moves. Most of us have to live with our bad decisions and get no veto power over them, why should entertainers be any different.[/quote]
You are an incredible piece of work.
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'221058\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 10:48 PM\']I'd pray for her soul if there was concrerte proof that she had one alongside herbrain.[/quote]Wow.
People like Cory Houser get banned, yet, crap like this gets posted.
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'221058\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 11:48 PM\']I take it this artist has a want to be perpetually starving rather than have any sort of success. I'd pray for her soul if there was concrerte proof that she had one alongside herbrain.[/quote]
It was a Christian artist, I'm quite sure she believes she has a soul. It was her choice to sacrifice sales and publicity for her right to control the path of her career and the channels she chooses to further her career. I don't agree with the choice, but she has it.
I've also been dealing with a record label this week that has pulled their material, since they prefer to sell from their site for the marginal increase in the per unit profit rather than have their sales driven by the volume major retailers and web sites would bring them. I don't agree with it either, but it is their right.
[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'221058\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 11:48 PM\']I'd really like to see the exact law that allows for this unreasonable veto power and the circumstances that led to its enactment. It's a shame that such a law exists (and naturally the US is probably the only western nation who has one) because why should people in entertainment be allowed to whitewash their debatable bad moves. Most of us have to live with our bad decisions and get no veto power over them, why should entertainers be any different.[/quote]
Warning: Not a Lawyer, but I do have more-than-the-average-Joe insight into this.
The Constitution gives you the right to privacy unless you are a public figure, and by public I mean a politician. It's why you can see greeting cards with Bush or Obama on them. However, celebrities, as strange as it sounds, is still a private endeavor. I can just not take your picture, slap it on a billboard, and advertise for Scrabbleship's Extra Stink Control Adult Diapers. I have to get your permission for that, because you control your likeness. And the U.S. is not alone in this, rules vary from country to country, but pretty much any country who is a signatory to the international copyright conventions in place now will have some form of this rule.
When a contract was made for celebrity X to appear on show Y, certain rights were forfeited in consideration for the appearance. At the time contracts were made, it was unlikely that any language was included that allowed appearances on another network 35 years down the pike. Extra consideration has to given to allow these appearances at a rate negotiated by the actor's union. Part of that negotiation as believed by GSN is that they have to have an agreement to that rate, which we have learned through anecdotes is minuscule.
The star or their agent for whatever reason has decided this is not agreeable to them. For us, it may not be ideal, but for the star or their agent, but those were the decisions that were made. These are the same decisions that may keep a DVD from the market due to song royalties, and some of them may be for vindictiveness rather than pure financial gain, like Shannen Doherty refusing to grant clip rights for her flashbacks to be in the original 90210.
Again, as much as this sucks to you the viewer, it's also to make sure that people are properly compensated for past endeavors. When a realization that money could be made from reruns, the perpetual signing over of rights ended, and it became a lot of effort just to make sure everybody was fairly compensated. And where I've had to spend time to figure out royalty rates to the sixth decimal place at work, I realize sometimes it seems a bit absurd. But in a business where your likeness is everything, you should have that right to control how it's being used.
My 2 cents for this reading, my .5 cent for the second reading, my .1 cent for the third reading, and my .025 cents for each subsequent reading
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'221077\' date=\'Jul 25 2009, 07:12 AM\']Scrabbleship's Extra Stink Control Adult Diapers.[/quote]
"You'll never know just how full of shiat they are!"
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Why assume that, if one week of one show is skipped but their other appearances are run, that it's because of clearance? It could be any number of other things: a Christmas week at the wrong time of the year (mentioned earlier and passed right over), a tape someone spilled coffee on...
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'221056\' date=\'Jul 24 2009, 11:23 PM\']Aren't you glad Dick Dawson said yes?[/quote]
That's hundreds of episodes right there.
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I'm told reliably that at least when it comes to Tattletales, episodes featuring Bob Newhart, Dan Rowan, Jay Leno and Michael J. Fox (along with their significant others) were never cleared for broadcast on GSN.
Newhart's other GS appearances got the OK, though...a nighttime Password ep w/him did air, as did one ep from a 1988 Super Password all-star week w/Bob and Ginny competing against Dick and Dolly Martin.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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On the general topic of vetos, it's always pissed me off that Barker has been able to veto fur eps - some of those eps are part of history. Put a disclaimer, I don't give a shit, but to act like they don't exist is tantamount to revisionist history.
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[quote name=\'LocalH\' post=\'221611\' date=\'Jul 31 2009, 08:54 PM\']it's always pissed me off that Barker has been able to veto fur eps - some of those eps are part of history. Put a disclaimer, I don't give a shit[/quote]
Someone needs a bar of Safeguard in his mouth.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'221454\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 11:28 PM\']as did one ep from a 1988 Super Password all-star week w/Bob and Ginny competing against Dick and Dolly Martin.[/quote]
Actually, all five eps of that week have aired on GSN.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'221628\' date=\'Jul 31 2009, 09:44 PM\'][quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'221454\' date=\'Jul 29 2009, 11:28 PM\']as did one ep from a 1988 Super Password all-star week w/Bob and Ginny competing against Dick and Dolly Martin.[/quote]
Actually, all five eps of that week have aired on GSN.
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So we get to speculate on why Tattletales was vetoed by the Newharts, but not Password. Theories:
- Bob and/or Ginny didn't like people knowing about their personal lives
- Bob didn't get along with Bert Convy
- One of them hates the color green
- Someone from the studio audience is trying to shake them down for the $11.29 they would have gotten if Bob had matched Ginny on the final question
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'221963\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 03:10 PM\']Theories:
- Bob and/or Ginny didn't like people knowing about their personal lives
- Bob didn't get along with Bert Convy
- One of them hates the color green
- Someone from the studio audience is trying to shake them down for the $11.29 they would have gotten if Bob had matched Ginny on the final question[/quote]
- One of them hates fisheye lenses (like I do)