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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: NickintheATL on January 10, 2009, 03:57:22 PM
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B&C Report on the Syndie Market (http://\"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6628289.html?rssid=193\")
Looks as if "Trivial Pursuit: AP" won't be back, or at least that's the indication felt. Some other shows won't return and even a few that were due to start this fall are in question.
The syndie run of "Are You Smarter..." is still a go at this point.
The alarming thing about this, but not surprising, is this quote from the end of the article.
In lieu of purchasing new first-run shows, for which stations lack cash in a very down advertising market, stations are expected to double- or triple-run existing shows. With ratings so low for daytime time slots, station executives say it makes sense to fill those slots with programming for which they have already paid.
Yikes!
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As glad as I am to see some of those truly awful judge and talk shows go, it unfortunate to see the syndie market tightening up even more. Where is a new game show supposed to debut?
The major networks remain obsessed with gs's old-skewing demos and frequently cancel shows before they even have time to grow an audience. The cable channels seem to be content getting the rerun rights of late model network dramas and comedies. (Lifetime paid $750K per ep for How I Met Your Mother well before the typical 100 episode mark) I would have figured that their best chance would be on GSN, but they're having more success with poker shows and only have a second season of Catch 21 and the umpteenth revival of Newlywed Game in the near future. They'll probably rerun the 300-odd episodes of Lingo into nothingness. I'm not saying it's mid-90s bad, but the future isn't too bright for the genre.
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With ratings so low for daytime time slots, station executives say it makes sense to fill those slots with programming for which they have already paid.
Or, failing that, programming for which others have paid -- in other words, "infomercials".
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Are there any restrictions to double- or triple-running Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'205968\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:08 PM\']
Are there any restrictions to double- or triple-running Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy?
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In my market, J! runs on the CBS affil at night and on the co-owned MYTV affil in the daytime. The ep on the MY station is one from the previous season.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205972\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:51 PM\']In my market, J! runs on the CBS affil at night and on the co-owned MYTV affil in the daytime. The ep on the MY station is one from the previous season.[/quote]
Aside from it being on two different stations, that's pretty much the standard for the Jeopardy package. Many stations that carry the show also air reruns from same-time-last-year in another time slot. I don't know any that run them back to back, since most stations pair it with Wheel.
Frankly, I've always felt that double-runs cheapen a show, and there very well may be a clause in the KingWorld contracts that says you can't do it with Wheel or Jeopardy. If not, it seems like we'd see a lot of stations air, say, an hour of Wheel before the news and an hour of Jeopardy after.
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What I've always thought might be an interesting idea (not necessarily saying it's market-feasible, mind you) is to offer stations "Best of" Wheel/J! packages - an *older* season of each series (beyond the one-year-old episodes already offered as a package, at least for J!). Episodes could either be just a linear run of past episodes or cherry-picked episodes from the series' runs. While not suitable for most stations for late evenings, it could certain offer an interesting alternative for morning or late evening programming.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'205979\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 09:45 PM\']
What I've always thought might be an interesting idea (not necessarily saying it's market-feasible, mind you) is to offer stations "Best of" Wheel/J! packages - an *older* season of each series (beyond the one-year-old episodes already offered as a package, at least for J!). Episodes could either be just a linear run of past episodes or cherry-picked episodes from the series' runs. While not suitable for most stations for late evenings, it could certain offer an interesting alternative for morning or late evening programming.
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This is more like what I was thinking. Somebody watched these two in the morning all those years...
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CHEX-TV in Peterborough, which is an privately-owned affiliate with the CBC, has a slightly alternative schedule on CHEX-TV2 in Durham County, just outside of Toronto. They run the previous day's Wheel/J! at 11 am in the morning.
They also used to run Price at 4 pm, but the rights have moved over to OMNI/Rogers.
Ryan
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'205987\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 09:35 PM\']
They also used to run Price at 4 pm, but the rights have moved over to OMNI/Rogers.
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Interesting. I remember being in Toronto about six years ago. I was with family in the downstairs basement watching a channel called Prime (they aired like old sitcoms and dramas. Sort of like TVL in the States). I still vividly recall watching their primetime lineup from 8-10PM:
8:00PM--The Cosby Show
8:30PM--The Golden Girls
9:00PM--The Price Is Right
At 9:00PM, we flipped back and forth b/w TPIR and Simpsons reruns on Comedy, but that's beyond the point. The point is that it was weird yet cool at the same time to see a channel program a game show that late in the evening that was not named GSN. The above quote just reminded me of that.
/I just wanted to share. As you were.
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I read that Price on Prime was a little... "interesting" -- many of its shows were replays right off the feed for CBS's stations, including the Special Reports. Some episodes were "clean" episodes, though one that aired on Prime featured an unedited version of the Showcase, in which after Bob introduces the showcase, the screen faded to black and Bob gave some last-minute instructions to the contestant before the showcase started.
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Interesting how some people are interested in watching reruns of classic game shows. You do realize that in so doing, the odds of selling new game shows in syndication dwindle because it looks like people don't want new products. I would think there would be support for the new game shows so that there would be more.
It's been 6 months. What are the opinions of DDOND and TPAP? Shouldn't TPAP get a second season? What about DDOND? Ratings aside...
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Ack! First CBS has the gumshoe to pull M$P from its schedule, now we hear talk of stations TRIPPLE-RUNNING some shows next fall? I may be happy on the sports front right now, but not in the game show department. What a way to start 2009 for me. YUCK!
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I remember watching alot of Price on Prime - if memory serves, they were about a month behind on the airings. Global had the rights at that time - they aired on CH in the mornings (formerly CHCH/OnTV) and then on Prime in the evenings. Prime became TVTropolis, which now counts reruns of reality shows, Deal, 5th Grader and a show called Inside the Box. Has anyone seen that last one?
Ryan :)
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[quote name=\'GS Guy\' post=\'206001\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 02:47 AM\']It's been 6 months. What are the opinions of DDOND and TPAP? Shouldn't TPAP get a second season? What about DDOND? Ratings aside...[/quote]
"Ratings aside..." is certainly an unconventional way to judge whether a show should get picked up for a second season.
Also, you make it sound like we're doing something wrong by not supporting new game shows, no matter how bad they are. That's not how it works. A producer has to create a show that people want to watch.
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[quote name=\'GS Guy\' post=\'206001\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 03:47 AM\']
Interesting how some people are interested in watching reruns of classic game shows. You do realize that in so doing, the odds of selling new game shows in syndication dwindle because it looks like people don't want new products. I would think there would be support for the new game shows so that there would be more.
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Depends on how good they are. One of the reasons Goodson-Todman started brining back classics in the '70s was, frankly, they were running out of ideas for new shows. Some they had to start from scratch, others didn't require any tinkering at all. But it was a lot more fun to watch those than, say, Joe Garagiola's Memory Game or Blank Check.
In today's economic market, virtually every syndicated program is double run (triple runs are new to me). I'm simply arguing that, if this is going to happen, let's get the product that we like and that might help build up more demand for it than another daily episode of Judge Whoever.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'206011\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 11:36 AM\']One of the reasons Goodson-Todman started brining back classics in the '70s was, frankly, they were running out of ideas for new shows. Some they had to start from scratch, others didn't require any tinkering at all.
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No doubt they had to retool the classics to compete with the game shows on the other networks -- "The Price Is Right" became G-T's response to "Let's Make a Deal"; the 70s "Match Game" was G-T's "Hollywood Squares"; even "Tattle Tales" (formerly "He Said She said") was practically "The Newlywed Game" with bells and whistles.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'206002\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:21 AM\']
Ack! First CBS has the gumshoe to pull M$P from its schedule, now we hear talk of stations TRIPPLE-RUNNING some shows next fall?
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Maybe Fremantle should consider putting Password into syndication -- at least it'll be one less judge show on the schedule. Or at the least, put "Crosswords" out of its misery.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'206002\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:21 AM\']
Ack! First CBS has the gumshoe to pull M$P from its schedule[/quote]
One of the more entertaining recent losers on Words Have Meanings.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'206002\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:21 AM\']gumshoe[/quote]Not a big Carmen Sandiego fan, eh?
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'206002\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:21 AM\']Ack! First CBS has the gumshoe to pull M$P from its schedule[/quote]
Gumption! *CLANG!*
LEVEL 6, FIVE HUNDRED!
What a way to start 2009 for me. YUCK!
If this is the worst thing to happen to you this year, you've had a mighty fine year thus far.
Yuck indeed.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'206021\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 10:16 AM\']
Gumption! *CLANG!*
LEVEL 6, FIVE HUNDRED!
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A combination guaranteed to make me say ... hahahahahahaha. Winner!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'205977\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 07:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205972\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:51 PM\']In my market, J! runs on the CBS affil at night and on the co-owned MYTV affil in the daytime. The ep on the MY station is one from the previous season.[/quote]
Aside from it being on two different stations, that's pretty much the standard for the Jeopardy package. Many stations that carry the show also air reruns from same-time-last-year in another time slot. I don't know any that run them back to back, since most stations pair it with Wheel.
Frankly, I've always felt that double-runs cheapen a show, and there very well may be a clause in the KingWorld contracts that says you can't do it with Wheel or Jeopardy. If not, it seems like we'd see a lot of stations air, say, an hour of Wheel before the news and an hour of Jeopardy after.
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I also don't see the value of the double run. The DOND station in my market runs it at 5 and 5:30. It's early January. If you watched it everyday for an hour, wouldn't you have seen most of the run by now?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206018\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 09:31 AM\']
One of the more entertaining recent losers on Words Have Meanings.[/quote]
I actually bothered to Google the phrase to see if *I* was missing something. When I discovered I wasn't, a small part of me died inside, despite knowing who the OP was.
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[quote name=\'GS Guy\' post=\'206001\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 11:47 PM\']
Ratings aside...[/quote]
Really? I mean, REALLY?
I can't possibly see why I would care if I lost my job. I mean, loss of income aside...
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Let me reiterate for all of the people in this thread commenting on MDP's cancellation... that is not 100% official yet.
/Just some clarification
//Stay tuned for the triple-run ep of "Words Have Meanings" next over most of these stations
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'205977\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205972\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:51 PM\']In my market, J! runs on the CBS affil at night and on the co-owned MYTV affil in the daytime. The ep on the MY station is one from the previous season.[/quote]
Aside from it being on two different stations, that's pretty much the standard for the Jeopardy package. Many stations that carry the show also air reruns from same-time-last-year in another time slot. I don't know any that run them back to back, since most stations pair it with Wheel.
Frankly, I've always felt that double-runs cheapen a show, and there very well may be a clause in the KingWorld contracts that says you can't do it with Wheel or Jeopardy. If not, it seems like we'd see a lot of stations air, say, an hour of Wheel before the news and an hour of Jeopardy after.
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Here in Central time, where there's only half an hour of prime access after the local news, our local station airs a J! double run at 4:00 (old) and 4:30 (new) and Wheel at 6:30.
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The point of the post was to get people's feedback on the shows themselves, not the "well, the ratings are not great so why should we support it". There have been MANY good shows which have been canceled prematurely due to bad ratings or other factors. I think we can all think of shows that we thought were good but did not have a long shelf life. For me, Now You See It comes to mind, and that was tried twice. Lest we forget how close to cancellation WOF was in the 70s. There have been many cases where shows which had not so great ratings were kept alive (Cheers) and prospered. I am simply asking if this group believes that both, either, or neither of the new syndie offerings of this year deserves it, which is why I included ratings aside remark.
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Fun thread!
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'206027\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 02:35 PM\']//Stay tuned for the triple-run ep of "Words Have Meanings" next over most of these stations[/quote]Our plan is to run the same episode three times in a row, so the content sinks in, people!
[quote name=\'GS Guy\' post=\'206030\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 02:48 PM\']There have been MANY good shows which have been canceled prematurely due to bad ratings or other factors. ....which is why I included ratings aside remark.[/quote]Fair enough. I think Trivia Pursuit moves too slowly and has too few questions to engage a trivia fan, especially one who has Jeopardy already, and though there seem to be some people who like the purity of the basic game, I find DOND without the prime time frills to be dull and redundant.
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'206021\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 01:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'206002\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:21 AM\']Ack! First CBS has the gumshoe to pull M$P from its schedule[/quote]
Gumption! *CLANG!*
LEVEL 6, FIVE HUNDRED![/quote]
That. Was. Awesome. I laughed aloud.
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[quote name=\'GS Guy\' post=\'206030\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 02:48 PM\']
The point of the post was to get people's feedback on the shows themselves, not the "well, the ratings are not great so why should we support it".
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<Bzzzzz!> No, sorry, the correct answer was "breaking news."
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Keep in mind that one of the reasons why TV stations are double (and triple)-running many programs is due to the the 1-2 punch of the lagging economy and the fact that many stations had to spend a big chunk of change for the upcoming Digital TV switch, in the form of new antennas, and broadcast equipment.
I'm sure you have noticed, especially over the last few months, that many TV stations are doing a LOT of cost-cutting moves, because of slow advertising sales (which pays the bills) and the necessary investments into HD & digital technology. I have read in the trades and have seen it in some area TV markets everything from reducing on and off-air staffers (not renewing contracts or offering early retirement to older employees), reverting to one-anchor newscasts, eliminating their weekend news programming, or the big craze now in TV is sharing video between local competing TV outlets (with each station/station group doing their own edits on the raw feeds).
I have also heard of at least one TV station in the Midwest completely eliminating their sports segments from their daily newscasts except for the weekends, thus eliminating 1 or 2 full-time staffers.
So the idea of double or triple running a show each day makes sense to the station's owners at this particular time until the economy steps up again. Hopefully this will be only a temporary setback.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'206033\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 12:42 PM\']
So the idea of double or triple running a show each day makes sense to the station's owners at this particular time until the economy steps up again.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure anyone here with a clue understands that. However, from the viewer's standpoint, that doesn't make it suck any less. The viewer does not give two tin shiats about station finances.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'206033\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 03:42 PM\']
Hopefully this will be only a temporary setback.
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Oh, you were doing 'so' well until that statement.
Anyone who has the gumshoe to think that this is a temp setback is kidding themselves. Like putting a variety show 5 nites a week at 10pm, this is just another step for networks and affils to cut costs on programming. Once they get a taste of the money they don't have to spend becasue they took a semi-successful show during a daypart that no one is watching anymore, and triple ran it....well, they'll never go back.
At least this idea is being floated with half hour shows...wait till you see WPIX or KTLA triple pump Springer and Maury. 2 shows, 25 percent of your schedule knocked out, just. like. that.
I give 'that' a year until it happens, tops.
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Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury and double-pumped Springer for years.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'206039\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:05 PM\']
Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury[/quote]...and you are NOT the father...
Here in central Iowa, we have one station running Judge Joe Brown on the weekends. First time I had seen that.
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Double Runs of Talk- In LA- FYI
Maury- KTLA- 2 Times
Jerry- KTLA- 2 Times
Tyra- KTTV- 2 Times
TMZ- KTTV- 4 Times!!! (4:30AM, 10:30AM, 6:30PM, 11:30PM)
Dr. Phil- KCBS/KCAL (One hour each)
Just ones I noticed. I didn't realize TMZ was four times- Wow...
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'206039\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:05 PM\']
Heck, WXIN in Indy has already triple-pumped Maury and double-pumped Springer for years.
[/quote]I think I remember a run of Maury and Springer alternating in the early afternoon..two of each. This was back in '06, though.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'206042\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 05:17 PM\']
Here in central Iowa, we have one station running Judge Joe Brown on the weekends. First time I had seen that.
[/quote]My ABC affiliate sees your Joe Brown and raises a Judge Judy.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'206037\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 04:44 PM\']Anyone who has the gumshoe to think that this is a temp setback is kidding themselves. Like putting a variety show 5 nites a week at 10pm, this is just another step for networks and affils to cut costs on programming. Once they get a taste of the money they don't have to spend becasue they took a semi-successful show during a daypart that no one is watching anymore, and triple ran it....well, they'll never go back.[/quote]Then neither will their viewers. At least with Jay Leno's new NBC show, you're getting fresh content. How do they expect the third airing of Laqua'neesha running offstage into to the bathroom to get people off the internet or out from in front of their video game system? At some point, it's just a false economy. You're going to need something new eventually.
The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206048\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 06:53 PM\']The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/quote]
Or, you can look at it from a businessman's standpoint in which every penny you hold onto right now is sacred. It would have been bad enough if there were just the strike(s) to worry about, but with the recession and everybody trying to eliminate costs, there is very little buffer between a station employee and the unemployment line. So if the top brass at a station want to buy something that eventually tanks, people will be fired without a second thought. The best thing they can do is sit on their money as best they can and run the same thing multiple times. While it may lose advertising dollars, the damage is much less than buying a lemon of a show.
The viewer will greet with this indifference at best and at worst, go somewhere else in a diluted television landscape, which only further justifies the media outlets to not be adventurous, and so it's merely going to get worse and worse until someone is able to change the culture of TV presentation and update it for this/the next generation of viewing audience.
I feel that there will always be TV, because while computers can bring people together, they don't bring them together physically, but that's another debate.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'206048\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 03:53 PM\']
The only way that makes sense is from the viewpoint that the medium is terminal already, so any effort shouldn't be spent on swimming against the tide, but rather on pinching pennies to draw as much from the existing advertising framework 'til it dies. Then when ratings go down because the audience isn't interested in the retreads, it feeds into the original mindset that TV is dead. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.[/quote]
This is pretty much exactly the case. Want to see how digital distribution replaces the broadcast paradigm? Keep watching. It's happening.
The only things I haven't figured how digital distribution can replace are a) news, and b) live events (sports and what-not). Once that gets sorted, the game's pretty much over.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206057\' date=\'Jan 11 2009, 10:29 PM\']
The only things I haven't figured how digital distribution can replace are a) news, and b) live events (sports and what-not). Once that gets sorted, the game's pretty much over.
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News is replaced, isn't it? It's CNN.com or NYTimes.com. Local news is tricky--it's being done so badly now that no one will miss it.
The thing that I wonder about is what will replace idle channel surfing. I have sitcoms on DVDs, I have "Grey's Anatomy" on the DVR, but lots of times I don't make the mental investment in watching them and just want to browse. I suppose tossing Jay Leno out there is a way to satisfy that audience. (The mindless surfer audience, said by a Letterman fan.) He'll do well for a while, the same way "Dateline NBC" did and "Deal or No Deal" does--it's the thing to watch when nothing else is on (at least, nothing else is streaming at that second).
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206072\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:53 AM\']
Local news is tricky--it's being done so badly now that no one will miss it. [/quote]
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere. Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.
What's fundamentally changing in the broadcast world is the mentality that the program day needs to be filled up with a variety of different shows. The most obvious example of that is prime time network television. NBC giving 10pm to Leno is just the latest and most obvious example of how that landscape is shrinking. Fewer original scripted series are being produced, fewer episodes are being made of them, and fewer hours are being programmed with original material. Last week, ABC aired the return of Scrubs on Tuesday, and then reran those same two episodes the very next night.
Thing is, there's as much original scripted programming as there ever was in TV's golden age, it's just being spread out among dozens and dozens of channels. To remain viable, broadcast networks are going to continue to produce fewer expensive scripted shows and make a much bigger deal about the ones they have, much like cable channels have been doing all along. Our children will find the idea of a full slate of original prime time programming as novel a concept as we find the idea that series used to produce 39 new shows a season.
Even with all the problems, I think the paradigm has to change more dramatically than we can even imagine for the local broadcast stations to just stop broadcasting. They may become shells of what they are now, but old-timers could argue that's already the case when you look at how much local programming used to be done. To twist back to the title of the thread, I think the world of syndication in general is particularly vulnerable if stations just decide it's not worth it anymore to spend money buying shows.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206075\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 09:44 AM\']
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere. Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.[/quote]
QFT. During our recent snowstorm, I was taking a particularly keen interest in the live morning news, mainly to ascertain if driving in to work was feasible or insanity.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206076\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 01:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'206075\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 09:44 AM\']
That's an easy line, but it's not true everywhere. Local news (even badly done local news) is important in virtually any market, and is profitable in many of them, even smaller ones.[/quote]
QFT. During our recent snowstorm, I was taking a particularly keen interest in the live morning news, mainly to ascertain if driving in to work was feasible or insanity.
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Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well. It's hard not to see local news getting thinner and thinner, though. It should be a vital public function, but isn't treated as one.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206078\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:07 AM\']
Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well.[/quote]
Too well? Huh?
It's hard not to see local news getting thinner and thinner, though. It should be a vital public function, but isn't treated as one.
I agree with Matt in that this varies widely from market to market, or indeed from station to station within a market. It all depends on how much of The Insider and Access Hollywood the show's producer watches.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206081\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 02:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206078\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:07 AM\']
Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well.[/quote]
Too well? Huh?
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Unless you've got a direct line to God, who's telling you exactly what the forecast is, the correct response then is, never well enough. I speak this from tremendous amounts of experience.
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Could it be possible that "Wheel"'s contracts still keep stations from scheduling it before 5 p.m. (the clause put in to protect the network daytime version 25 years ago)?
Another thing about the situation in syndication is that there's no room for new first-run shows between 5 and 8 p.m. (7 p.m. in Central and Mountain)--barring any surprises, "Wheel," "J!", "ET," "Insider," "Access" and "Extra" are going to be in those time slots for years to come. And the Fox/MyTV/CW/pure indie stations, despite some murmurs, are pretty much sticking to sitcom reruns in that time slot, except for "TMZ," local news and in Chicago "WWTBAM." No real push to develop new programming in an instance like this.
As for "DOND," it's the top-rated new series in syndication and just barely out of the Top 20, so I would guess that it's going to a second season.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'206081\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 02:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206078\' date=\'Jan 12 2009, 11:07 AM\']
Local weather, yeah, that's done well. Almost too well.[/quote]
Too well? Huh?
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In Minneapolis, at any rate, stations sound the alerts when half an inch of snow may appear, or there's a twig down in an eighth ring suburb. They'll take the first 10 minutes of a newscast or interrupt programming at the slightest provocation if they can raise a scare out of it. That's TOO much coverage.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'206131\' date=\'Jan 13 2009, 10:36 AM\']
In Minneapolis, at any rate, stations sound the alerts when half an inch of snow may appear, or there's a twig down in an eighth ring suburb. They'll take the first 10 minutes of a newscast or interrupt programming at the slightest provocation if they can raise a scare out of it. That's TOO much coverage.[/quote]
I will now stand to the side while WeatherMatt "educates" you as to the necessity of such intrusions. :)
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Breaking in to show us the Doppler Three Zillion radar and telling us how much longer it's going to snow is one thing. An uninterrupted half-hour of obvious crap like "The roads are slippery", without actually giving us the forecast, is much more irritating. (Yes, I've actually seen the latter.)
I wonder how long it will be until we start getting promos telling us that our children's lives depend upon watching the weather forecast of Action News/Eyewitness News/Newschannel X. God knows local TV exploits children for everything else.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'206137\' date=\'Jan 13 2009, 02:56 PM\']God knows local TV exploits children for everything else.[/quote]Uh, some examples?
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I will now stand to the side so that the splashover from the lightning bolts WeatherMatt is about to throw doesn't strike me as well. :)
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Uh, some examples?
"Ten people died in an apartment fire. Three of them were children."
I'm sure you've come across similar stories, albeit with different numbers. One instance that made me want to reach the TV and bitch-slap the woman reading the news was when a story about communal violence in India (Muslims and Hindus going at each other) was prefaced by the number of children killed in that violence.
And Chris, I wouldn't blame the meteorologists for such promos. That would fall squarely on the higher-ups.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'206145\' date=\'Jan 13 2009, 04:27 PM\']
Uh, some examples?
"Ten people died in an apartment fire. Three of them were children."[/quote]OH, OK. In that regard, I completely agree. I misread your original post of "exploitation" as the advertisements they run during programming, etc.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'206145\' date=\'Jan 13 2009, 01:27 PM\']
And Chris, I wouldn't blame the meteorologists for such promos. That would fall squarely on the higher-ups.
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This calls for a return visit to the legendary WTNH Super Doppler promo (slightly nsfw):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLglT3zD08 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLglT3zD08\")
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[quote name=\'Kniwt\' post=\'206168\' date=\'Jan 13 2009, 09:00 PM\']
This calls for a return visit to the legendary WTNH Super Doppler promo (slightly nsfw):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLglT3zD08 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oLglT3zD08\")
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I haven't seen that in years. I needed a good laugh at that particular moment of clickage. Thanks. :-)