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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: uncamark on January 07, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
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Sitcoms Online is reporting that the two remaining first-run eps on Jan. 11 and 25 and a repeat on Jan. 18 have been taken off the schedule with no indication of a rescheduling (scroll down):
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2009/01/...-cbs-pulls.html (http://\"http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2009/01/rtn-using-national-feed-cbs-pulls.html\")
CBS' two-week grid confirms that "60 Minutes" will air Sunday after the San Diego-Pittsburgh game and that "The Mentalist" will air on Jan. 18 after the AFC championship, which has been moved into most of prime time:
http://www.cbs.com/info/schedule/index.php (http://\"http://www.cbs.com/info/schedule/index.php\")
Despite decent total households, Sitcoms Online feels that the weak 18-49 demo numbers were what did it in. Drat.
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Uh-oh.
Wasn't someone else on the forum going to participate in an upcoming episode?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'205712\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 05:43 PM\']
Uh-oh.
Wasn't someone else on the forum going to participate in an upcoming episode?
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Our Sodboy, yes.
Bet he's not happy.
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Maybe it will come back after the NCAA Basketball Tournament.
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wtf. Seriously. The program has been gaining in ratings every week, nearly creating an all-time season high Sunday. But, heaven forbid... if the 18-49s aren't high enough, the show is obviously a flop. I hope there's some sort of mistake or quick re-scheduling going on.
Michael, I hope things get better, for your potential earning sake.
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No, I think CBS finally realized that nobody on MDP was found murdered with a mouthful of bodily fluid and hands and feet bound with extension cords.
/don't tempt me, Shatner
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I guess America prefers to not think while watching TV (hi Moment of Truth)
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In an ironic twist given the show, words fail me.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'205722\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 07:41 PM\']
I guess America prefers to not think while watching TV (hi Moment of Truth)
[/quote]Except, that's not really the case. The general audience has increased every week (10.4 million viewers for Ferguson/Williams), but since apparently "old" people don't buy products, the show was #4 in its timeslot for 18-49 and that's sadly what counts.
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I knew they should have gotten Wayne Cox to host.....
Cordially (but not pleased),
Tammy
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And , I'm willing to bet (sorry Sodboy) that, like the first batch of 6 eps, the last 2 are not great eps...either in celebrity status or game playing status....which means CBS is just simply cutting bait.
Sorry, I've said it before and I'll say it again : this is not a show that warrants this kind of format. It's flawed....was flawed from the get - go. The lack of celebrities who know how to play this game simply doesn't help matters.
Move it to syndication - play for $100K, keep the same celebs for the week , and (FOR PETE SAKE) test celebrities just as hard as you test the contestants ability to play the game.
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That is a shame; it was doing pretty good in the overall ratings.
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' post=\'205725\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 07:52 PM\']
I knew they should have gotten Wayne Cox to host.....
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Wait, what? Regis had nothing to do with the ratings. And getting Wayne Cox would do nothing but get a "Who?" out of your audience.
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tvwxman wrote:
And , I'm willing to bet (sorry Sodboy) that, like the first batch of 6 eps, the last 2 are not great eps...either in celebrity status or game playing status....which means CBS is just simply cutting bait.
I prefer to think more highly of Sodboy: Sodboy won the million dollars, but as with The Rich List, the network doesn't want to pay out the winnings.
(Seriously, with any luck, the shows will get aired eventually, regardless of the outcome.)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205729\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:06 PM\']
Wait, what? Regis had nothing to do with the ratings. And getting Wayne Cox would do nothing but get a "Who?" out of your audience.
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Hell, it gets a "Who?" out of me. The name looks familiar, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who that is.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'205732\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 08:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205729\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:06 PM\']
Wait, what? Regis had nothing to do with the ratings. And getting Wayne Cox would do nothing but get a "Who?" out of your audience.
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Hell, it gets a "Who?" out of me. The name looks familiar, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who that is.
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I don't really think the choice of host is something to Talk About in discussion of its cancellation.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'205732\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205729\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:06 PM\']
Wait, what? Regis had nothing to do with the ratings. And getting Wayne Cox would do nothing but get a "Who?" out of your audience.
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Hell, it gets a "Who?" out of me. The name looks familiar, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who that is.
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Wayne Cox (http://\"http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/bc/personalities/story.html?id=8fd552de-3706-4a9d-8920-7e9227f9949b\")
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'205732\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205729\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 09:06 PM\']
Wait, what? Regis had nothing to do with the ratings. And getting Wayne Cox would do nothing but get a "Who?" out of your audience.
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Hell, it gets a "Who?" out of me. The name looks familiar, but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out who that is.
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He hosted two shows up north, "Second Honeymoon" & "Talk About"; the latter of which was syndicated here in 1989-1990.
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All in all I think Million Dollar Password was a respectable effort to bring the game into the 21st century. It didn't forget its roots while still being fresh... the format's just not good for this day and age otherwise.
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' post=\'205725\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 07:52 PM\']
I knew they should have gotten Wayne Cox to host.....
Cordially (but not pleased),
Tammy
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Ignore her. She's threadjacking just to show everyone that .... well, I for one have no flipping clue what she's trying to show.
Carry on with the decent discussion at hand, obsessive-dreams-about-former-Canadian-weathermen notwithstanding.
Cordially,
The absolutely happy I'm a weatherman south of the US Canadian Border,
tvwxman.
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You're north of Windsor, aren't you? :)
Seriously, let's hope CBS will run the remaining episodes in the summer or sooner.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'205736\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 06:02 PM\']
All in all I think Million Dollar Password was a respectable effort to bring the game into the 21st century.[/quote]
To which I say: it was Password. Why did it need to be brought at all? Why dick with the essence of the game, the back-and-forth of clever clues to see who can guess a word first?
I watched it and enjoyed it, because I'm a game-show geek, but I would also suggest that dicking with the format is part of what killed it.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'205726\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 04:53 PM\']And , I'm willing to bet (sorry Sodboy) that, like the first batch of 6 eps, the last 2 are not great eps...either in celebrity status or game playing status....which means CBS is just simply cutting bait.
Sorry, I've said it before and I'll say it again : this is not a show that warrants this kind of format. It's flawed....was flawed from the get - go. The lack of celebrities who know how to play this game simply doesn't help matters.
Move it to syndication - play for $100K, keep the same celebs for the week , and (FOR PETE SAKE) test celebrities just as hard as you test the contestants ability to play the game.[/quote]Here's the problem. If you move the show off-network and slash the prize budget, it's still a rather stupid way to play Password.
If you were to chuck that stupid money ladder, allow the same pair of contestants to stick around a while, and play the Cashword Round without having to risk the prize money, at least that would be a step in the right direction.
Even then, it was still gilding the lily when the lily was classic and neat and everything, and could have stood on its own except for sheeple producers who said "It has to have a million dollar prize! And a money ladder round where the contestant risks the money at each step! And dark lights and a constant music bed!"
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Honestly, for being a modern-day game show, excluding silly and easily changeable rules, I thought this was a pretty darn good game show. It had levels of intelligence, drama and excitement and managed to balance them nicely. I think it would work just fine as a half-hour syndicated show. (I mean, the shows were pretty much two half-hours anyway.)
Give the winner of the elimination round $2,500 for winning, and then, if they're hellbent on keeping a risk factor, present them with this:
$250,000 (5/5)
$100,000 (5/6)
$50,000 (5/7)
$25,000 (5/8)
$10,000 (5/9)
$5,000 (5/10)
Of course, just my thoughts but I think it would be neat if it were packaged like that.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205742\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 10:17 PM\']
Honestly, for being a modern-day game show, excluding silly and easily changeable rules, I thought this was a pretty darn good game show. It had levels of intelligence, drama and excitement and managed to balance them nicely. I think it would work just fine as a half-hour syndicated show. (I mean, the shows were pretty much two half-hours anyway.)
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Perhaps this is a case of contestant's bias - but I liked the show, too, and wouldn't have tried out for it if I didn't enjoy it. For those lamenting the changes, I agree that the update was not without its issues (especially the bonus round celebrity selection,) but honestly, do you believe that something which was styled and paced as a parlor game gets airtime anywhere in this day and age? When I told one of my >50-year-old co-workers about my appearance, his first memory of the original was that it was "soooo slow." And the fact is, someone must have seen pacing problems 30 years ago, otherwise we wouldn't have seen a switch to words with a 4-clue maximum, and a 10-in-60 bonus round. I'm not arguing that classic Password isn't a fun game - because it certainly is. But in its "pure" format, it's no longer something which would attract any sort of respectable viewership.
I, like Chad would like to see this get a shot as a syndie half-hour, and clearly the waters are getting tested in Europe to that end. I say just drop a zero off the current money ladder, get rid of the risk element and make each level guaranteed, and providing you know how to cast celebrities, you've got a good show on your hands.
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Sodboy, is there any way you can get in contact with me (email or otherwise)? You've got emails through the board privatized. =)
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I love the show, like many of you, but a look at the demo's does show why CBS is doing this.
I just read in one of the business columns that the only demo with disposable income is the 18-24s. The concern among the advertisers is the older demos (that now starts with the 25+'s) all have mortgages and are therefore not spending. The ad agencies and the advertisers are not putting money into shows where their spot will be seen by people who might like the product but have no disposable income to spend on it. Honestly as a former "ad man" I can see the it being a tough sell. It's all the economy folks.
If this were 5 years, hell even 2 years earlier the concern would have been nominal. Today if you aren't going to hit the 18-24's, good luck to you.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'205743\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 08:43 PM\']And the fact is, someone must have seen pacing problems 30 years ago, otherwise we wouldn't have seen a switch to words with a 4-clue maximum, and a 10-in-60 bonus round.[/quote]
No, I understand that. But one of the main tenets of the game was that both people are playing the same word, and sometimes you have to worry about giving a clue that will help your opponent if your partner doesn't get it. They pulled out that head-to-head. And it doesn't help that in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of this current run, we've said "Hey, Celeb X wasn't bad, but oy, Celeb Y was TERRIBLE." There is no excuse for that happening ONCE, much less every episode.
I can't help but wonder if the celebrity list was controlled more by an external source than by the production itself.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'205731\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 07:17 PM\']
tvwxman wrote:
And , I'm willing to bet (sorry Sodboy) that, like the first batch of 6 eps, the last 2 are not great eps...either in celebrity status or game playing status....which means CBS is just simply cutting bait.
I prefer to think more highly of Sodboy: Sodboy won the million dollars, but as with The Rich List, the network doesn't want to pay out the winnings.
(Seriously, with any luck, the shows will get aired eventually, regardless of the outcome.)
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I'm with tvwxman. I say what he said, for the simple reason that that's how they scheduled the first series of eps. I don't even feel it necessary to apologize to Sodboy, because I expect that the poor performances that led to the scheduling are the celebs'.
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GREAT! Another serious blow to us game show purists. I wish ADHD wasn't such a big problem here. This makes me mad! UGGGHHH!!!!
Now that I got that off my chest, let me say that what CBS did was really a combination of things:
1. The demos are the biggest problem right now. I just hope we don't go down the road WoF went with its sponsorships here. If so, then we're in big trouble. If sports video games can have ads all over the place, I hate to think if game shows fall down that simillar path.
2. The celebrity pool left a lot to be desired this time around. Shatner was THE WORST of the bunch so far. If these celebs don't know how to play the game, why book them in the first place? To me, that's inexcusable as far as the producers are concerned.
3. The format itself is decent enough as it is, but do we really HAVE to compare it to Pyramid? Unfortunately, IMO, yes. That's exactly what it is. Get the player/celeb teams to convey 5 passwords in 30/90 seconds. Sounds too easy untill you realize how the show got to combine 2 classic elements & mash it all together & make it one show that would "attract" eyeballs(which it pretty much did).
4. Then there's the scheduling issue. Sure, Sunday night's a good night to have it on, but for pete's sake, did they have to throw it up against Sunday Night Football? Couldn't they have waited untill AFTER football season to run these episodes? Sheesh!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'205746\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 12:03 AM\']
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'205743\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 08:43 PM\']And the fact is, someone must have seen pacing problems 30 years ago, otherwise we wouldn't have seen a switch to words with a 4-clue maximum, and a 10-in-60 bonus round.[/quote]
No, I understand that. But one of the main tenets of the game was that both people are playing the same word, and sometimes you have to worry about giving a clue that will help your opponent if your partner doesn't get it. They pulled out that head-to-head. And it doesn't help that in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of this current run, we've said "Hey, Celeb X wasn't bad, but oy, Celeb Y was TERRIBLE." There is no excuse for that happening ONCE, much less every episode.
I can't help but wonder if the celebrity list was controlled more by an external source than by the production itself.
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Agreed. Maybe if they played "x" number of words, or until a "times up" buzzer sounded, the elimination round would be better. As for the bonus round, unless the episodes straddled, the "come back and see if she wins a MILLION DOLLARS next time " factor is off the table. I'm looking at the clock at home and as it gets closer to the end of the show, you can predict how it's going to go (i.e. "he's going to stop at $50K, etc.)
IIRC when the show was in its 60's heyday, stars actually requested to be on the show. Maybe it was love of the game, something different to plug a new movie, or even an ego trip. Today's "stars' can't be bothered to at least try to look good playing the game.
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[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'205759\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 08:33 AM\']
I'm looking at the clock at home and as it gets closer to the end of the show, you can predict how it's going to go (i.e. "he's going to stop at $50K, etc.)
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I solved this problem after Episode One by no longer looking at the clock while viewing the telecast.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'205763\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 10:27 AM\']
[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'205759\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 08:33 AM\']
I'm looking at the clock at home and as it gets closer to the end of the show, you can predict how it's going to go (i.e. "he's going to stop at $50K, etc.)
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I solved this problem after Episode One by no longer looking at the clock while viewing the telecast.
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Same here. This show deserved a better fate, even though I have been a bit critical of it in other topics. Meanwhile trash like "Game Show in my Head" gets on the air (though the ratings were very low). Maybe the remaining episodes will get dumped to Saturday when GSH gets canned. Just yesterday, Prof was pushing for CBS to commit to a longer run of episodes.
Skewing Older - the death knell.
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If 18-40 year olds are the issue, maybe the host is part of the problem. Regis Philbin isn't exactly young and vibrant, and he doesn't come off as well on Password as he did on Millionaire, where he could sit and chat.
I liked the bonus round, save for the monetary risks. It's good TV to see how far they can go, up against progressively more challenging words. The risks just get in the way, if only the producers understood that.
I'd much prefer "Classic Password" for the front game. While the "Pyramid" version moves faster, the robotic back-and-forth of it makes it no less dull. If they could play a fast traditional game (maybe they have to add a rung to the money ladder to make up the time) this would also open up space for humor. As bad as Shatner and the Sopranos guy were, you at least got some byplay that lifted the show.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'205754\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 04:40 AM\']
2. The celebrity pool left a lot to be desired this time around. Shatner was THE WORST of the bunch so far. [/quote]
I guess you missed the show this past Sunday with Serena Williams. She made Shatner look like Einstein.
I do hope we get to see the other two shows of MDP eventually, so Sodboy can get his money. A lot of the celebs seem to be associated with CBS shows - Craig Ferguson, Julie Chen, Phil Keogan. I wonder if Jeff Probst is on one of the two shows not aired yet.
And there's a rumor that Julie Chen has slept with CBS prez Les Moonves - oh my (wink)!!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'205746\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 11:03 PM\']
No, I understand that. But one of the main tenets of the game was that both people are playing the same word, and sometimes you have to worry about giving a clue that will help your opponent if your partner doesn't get it. They pulled out that head-to-head. And it doesn't help that in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of this current run, we've said "Hey, Celeb X wasn't bad, but oy, Celeb Y was TERRIBLE." There is no excuse for that happening ONCE, much less every episode.
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I don't disagree, but there were occasions when even on P+ you had weeks where one celeb did all the winning. I'm thinking back to the Joanna Gleason/Robert Pine week in 1979--Pine played the first Alphabetics that week by virtue of a coin toss, and proceeded to get skunked the rest of the week.
Pine only returned to P+ once after that (as part of a celebrity week playing for charity in 1981). Whether he was a no-book because of his performance that week, or if he threw a hissy at some point, I don't know--or perhaps Pine was invited to return but declined (perhaps our esteemed moderator can shed some light).
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Aw man, this is a shame. I'm in that coveted 18-24 demo too. Oh well.
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I'm disappointed by the news, esp. considering the show got decent overall ratings. Hopefully CBS wises up.
I'm in favor of it going to half-hour syndication, maybe under the title of "Big Money Password". Instead of the bonus format currently used, maybe just do two parts. In part one, you get $1,000 for every correct response, up to seven. All seven is worth $10,000.
Then the final part is a "double or nothing", where you can risk your dough, and must get 5-for-5. Or hell, just bring back Alphabetics! Also, do something about the "more correct answers is your bonus round partner" rule.
/Yes, I know $20,000 is not "Big Money" for a 2009 game show
//Work with me here
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205799\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 03:52 PM\']"Big Money Password"[/quote]What's wrong with just going back to "Password"? I mean, Spain does it and they don't even speak our language!
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205803\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 04:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205799\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 03:52 PM\']"Big Money Password"[/quote]What's wrong with just going back to "Password"?
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Not a doggone thing.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205803\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 04:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'205799\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 03:52 PM\']"Big Money Password"[/quote]What's wrong with just going back to "Password"? I mean, Spain does it and they don't even speak our language!
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None whatsoever. I just ran out of modifiers and/or adjectives to put in the title, i.e. "Plus" or "Super". ;-) Password works just fine.
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I'm in with those that think this could work as a half hour syndie show...however, I'd have liked to see a format where they combine the Plus/Super front game with the Big Money Lightning Round.
But that's just my opinion.
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I'm in with those that think this could work as a half hour syndie show...however, I'd have liked to see a format where they combine the Plus/Super front game with the Big Money Lightning Round.
I'll go along with that. Although I like the show, it would be more interesting to see something other than "lightning rounds".
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I'd suggest the qualifying game from Password '75 followed by a lightning round/Alphabetics with the celeb determined by a coin toss.
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'205745\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 12:58 AM\']
I love the show, like many of you, but a look at the demo's does show why CBS is doing this.
I just read in one of the business columns that the only demo with disposable income is the 18-24s. The concern among the advertisers is the older demos (that now starts with the 25+'s) all have mortgages and are therefore not spending. The ad agencies and the advertisers are not putting money into shows where their spot will be seen by people who might like the product but have no disposable income to spend on it. Honestly as a former "ad man" I can see the it being a tough sell. It's all the economy folks.
If this were 5 years, hell even 2 years earlier the concern would have been nominal. Today if you aren't going to hit the 18-24's, good luck to you.
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This is the sort of absolute bullshit that makes me crazy. First of all, most 25-year-olds don't own houses -- and if they do, they're now trying to sell them because they can't afford the payments anymore. (I know a couple who are both in the mortgage business who bought a five-bedroom house two and a half years ago that now need to sell.) This is especially true in urban/suburban areas. I know we're not a true cross section of America here, but how many of us own and how many of us rent? (We bought our house -- our first house -- when I was 42, boys and girls.) Also, many adults just out of college aren't spending because they have student loans to pay off (and credit card debt -- already! -- accrued during college).
Secondly, it's primarily the 55s and above who do have the disposable income -- they've paid off the houses, they're close to retirement if they're not there already, and they've put away the money they needed to (unlike the tail end of the baby boomers, Gen X, and Gen Y, who are spending more than they make -- the overall savings rate in 2007 was -1 percent).
Okay. I don't think the game's format was great, the segments I saw had some lousy celebrities (of course, so did the older versions of Password and Pyramid -- what Robert Pine was to Password Plus, Valerie Bertinelli was to The $20,000 Pyramid), and certainly, if they were looking for 22-year-old viewers, then a 77-year-old wasn't the best choice to host. At least these issues can be fixed. Chasing after an audience based on incorrect assumptions -- that's a lot harder.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205815\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 02:26 PM\']
with the celeb determined by a coin toss.[/quote]
Coin toss? Screw that. Jell-O wrestling.
/you can't tell me a Betty White appearance wouldn't be appointment television
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I have been thinking of a format that may be good for syndicated password (if it comes to pass). Front game consists of two half. First half, is the front game of "Million Dollar Password". The contestant who wins the first half gets to decide which celeb they want to play with in the second half of the front game. Second half is "Classic" Password, and the contestant brings their score from the first half. First to 50 points wins. Limit clue giving and guessing to 5 seconds, and make the last chance to score on a Password at the 5 point level. At this point, I haven't thought of a bonus round yet.
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'205828\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 04:00 PM\']
First half, is the front game of "Million Dollar Password".[/quote]
And here's your problem. Next.
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It has little to do with buying power and more to do with Brand Loyalty.
Mr 57 has been buying the same toothpaste/car/whathaveyou for 40 years and doesn't give a crap about the new Colgate/Ford Focus/whathaveyou.
Mr 20 is just out of college and is willing to buy the new Colgate/FordFocus/whathaveyou because they just saw it in a commercial last night on How I Met Your Mother. And thus, Brand Loyalty begins (so hopes Colgate-Palmolive/Bill Ford Jr)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'205825\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 06:33 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205815\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 02:26 PM\']
with the celeb determined by a coin toss.[/quote]
Coin toss? Screw that. Jell-O wrestling.[/quote]
How about a salad toss? Call it Million Dollar Assword.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'205711\' date=\'Jan 7 2009, 05:31 PM\']Despite decent total households, Sitcoms Online feels that the weak 18-49 demo numbers were what did it in. Drat.[/quote]
OK, just want to remind the class that the last four pages worth of stupid networks don't know what they're doing and other end of the world as we know it proclamations are all based, best as I can tell, on what one online blog THINKS is the reason CBS pulled the shows. I have a hard time believing that the oldest-skewing network is going to cancel a top-twenty show because of its demographics. My bet is we'll see the last two shows at some point, and maybe more besides.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'205767\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 11:46 AM\']
If 18-40 year olds are the issue, maybe the host is part of the problem. Regis Philbin isn't exactly young and vibrant, and he doesn't come off as well on Password as he did on Millionaire, where he could sit and chat.
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And since WHEN did CBS decide to care for the younger demos? Outside of the Monday Night comedy line-up (Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, SPOCK!!!) their other primetime (mostly crimetime) shows are pulling in boku numbers mostly in the older demos.
Heck, when those primers air opposite American Idol in the past and most likely again in the next few months, they are DEFINITELY losing the younger demos, but they sure make up for it in the older demos to place a respectable second place in the network ratings against AI -- well ahead of NBC & ABC. And of course we know who advertisers are going after on TPIR -- those older demos with disposable (Depends) incomes.
Yeah, it's more than likely the poor celebrity players who brought down MDP, but if CBS says they canned it solely for lack of younger demos, then why the hell did they place it after 60 Minutes!?!? -- I don't know of too many 20-somethings who watch a bunch of 80-somethings discuss topics geared for 50 or 60 year olds.
MDP should move to Monday nights if they want the young-un's attention. Otherwise, if it's pulling in solid numbers for those over 25, then don't fix what's broken. CBS is in a great position -- let FOX, ABC & NBC fight it out with each other on the reality and other unintelligent programming between them, while the Tiffany Network continues to own the older audiences with solid shows.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'205835\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 07:33 PM\']
I have a hard time believing that the oldest-skewing network is going to cancel a top-twenty show because of its demographics.[/quote]
The network's choice of show to replace MDP this Sunday would make me inclined to agree with you.
/though, the kids these days, they love them the Steve Kroft
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fostergray82 wrote:
None whatsoever. I just ran out of modifiers and/or adjectives to put in the title, i.e. "Plus" or "Super". ;-) Password works just fine.
Ultra Password. :-)
(Speaking of "Ultra", I wouldn't mind seeing somebody revive Ultra Quiz. Considering that audiences seem more willing to see vicious things done to people on TV than they might have been 25 years ago....)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'205810\' date=\'Jan 8 2009, 04:56 PM\']
I'm in with those that think this could work as a half hour syndie show...however, I'd have liked to see a format where they combine the Plus/Super front game with the Big Money Lightning Round.
But that's just my opinion.
[/quote]
I also think MDP could work in daily syndication, but probably with the top prize reduced, or working up to it and not going for it the first time you win. This would mean "carry over" contestants. Also, they may have to get another host if it goes daily. Regis already had a daytime job, and he turned down the Millionaire gig that Merideth Vieira has.
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'205881\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']Also, they may have to get another host if it goes daily.[/quote]Well, they certainly know I'm available. ;)
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205884\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 12:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'205881\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']Also, they may have to get another host if it goes daily.[/quote]Well, they certainly know I'm available. ;)
[/quote]
Can I announce? Can I call it Password '09?
Who's a good New York weatherman who can host?
Maybe Fred WestWostbrookBrock can push for Frank Field.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'205891\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 02:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205884\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 12:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'205881\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']Also, they may have to get another host if it goes daily.[/quote]Well, they certainly know I'm available. ;)
[/quote]
Can I announce? Can I call it Password '09?
Who's a good New York weatherman who can host?
Maybe Fred WestWostbrookBrock can push for Frank Field.
[/quote]
Willard Scott, but he must be close to 100 by now.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205897\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 03:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'205891\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 02:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205884\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 12:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'205881\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']Also, they may have to get another host if it goes daily.[/quote]Well, they certainly know I'm available. ;)
[/quote]
Can I announce? Can I call it Password '09?
Who's a good New York weatherman who can host?
Maybe Fred WestWostbrookBrock can push for Frank Field.
[/quote]
Willard Scott, but he must be close to 100 by now.
[/quote]
Will be 75 this year...not a spring chicken by any means but younger than Dr. Field (85).
/still trying to figure out what happened to Storm Field, considering he just disappeared
Ultra Password. :-)
Me likee.
(That was the working title for my idea...actually put it into practice netgaming once)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'205899\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 02:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205897\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 03:25 PM\']
Willard Scott, but he must be close to 100 by now.
[/quote]
Will be 75 this year...not a spring chicken by any means but younger than Dr. Field (85).
[/quote]
And doesn't look a day over 71. Cute as a button.
/Oh, sorry, that should have been intended for Ms. Mary Macrame of Portsmouth, NH, who just celebrated her 95th birthday.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'205900\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 04:38 PM\']
And doesn't look a day over 71. Cute as a button.
/Oh, sorry, that should have been intended for Ms. Mary Macrame of Portsmouth, NH, who just celebrated her 95th birthday.
[/quote]
She sure did. (http://\"http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/dale_grass/hitthat.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'205900\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 03:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'205899\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 02:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'205897\' date=\'Jan 9 2009, 03:25 PM\']
Willard Scott, but he must be close to 100 by now.
[/quote]
Will be 75 this year...not a spring chicken by any means but younger than Dr. Field (85).
[/quote]
And doesn't look a day over 71. Cute as a button.
/Oh, sorry, that should have been intended for Ms. Mary Macrame of Portsmouth, NH, who just celebrated her 95th birthday.
[/quote]
Sister Mary certainly doesn't look it. FIRST BASE! Not a day goes by when I don't wish Life Begins At Eighty would come back so we could see her **amazing** panelist skills at work. The academy had better get busy on honoring her. And an appearance on GSN Live wouldn't hurt, either.
psst: Who the hell is she?
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Boo hiss to CBS. Even if the format wasn't perfect... after almost 20 years Password-less I was willing to take anything just to get it back on the air. And I'd gladly take a 30-minute version of MDP over no Password at all.
I thought after the Christmas week episode came in 7th in the ratings we wouldn't have to worry about this.
FWIW, the CBS web site still has Jan. 11 and 25th episodes listed.
Sigh.
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According to the Prof's Fix, CBS has said "in at least one trade publication" that the show isn't canceled. He indicates the football games were the cause for the schedule adjusting. If indeed true, I can understand keeping 60 Minutes and removing MDP. It's got to be harder to re-air a timely newsmagazine than a game show.
At one point in time, there was an episode scheduled for 1/25. CBS's schedule will be updated tomorrow for far enough in the future to tell if the program will air.
So, at this point the message is: Who knows?
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My feeling about this...
Hey boy, is that a wolf over there?
/'Nuff said
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205953\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 03:40 PM\']
So, at this point the message is: Who knows?
[/quote]
Best guess: Talks are underway with Wayne Cox.
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He's so dreamy. And so Canadian.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205957\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 04:19 PM\']
He's so dreamy. And so Canadian.
[/quote]
And a weatherman - what's not to love!
I just SWAK!ed myself.
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I just SWAK!ed myself.
You must be awfully limber.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205953\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 12:40 PM\']
At one point in time, there was an episode scheduled for 1/25. CBS's schedule will be updated tomorrow for far enough in the future to tell if the program will air.[/quote]
That's the weekend between the NFL Conference Championships and the Super Bowl, too. (It's also the day of the LNH Match des Etoiles in Montreal.) If they ARE confident in the show, that's the week we're gonna see it. (Figuring they're busy the weekend before, and going to concede the night to NBC the following Sunday.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'205970\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:25 PM\']
(It's also the day of the LNH Match des Etoiles in Montreal.)[/quote]
Clearly, THAT'S what CBS is afraid of.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'205970\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 06:25 PM\'] If they ARE confident in the show, that's the week we're gonna see it. [/quote]
I dunno. If they've pulled it for football, plugging one episode in all by itself in the between-week doesn't necessarily seem like the obvious thing to do. My gut feeling is that they'll wait until later in February.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205957\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 04:19 PM\']
He's so dreamy. And so Canadian.
[/quote]
Talk About Admiral TVs Secret Honeymoon
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'205953\' date=\'Jan 10 2009, 03:40 PM\']At one point in time, there was an episode scheduled for 1/25. CBS's schedule will be updated tomorrow for far enough in the future to tell if the program will air.[/quote]The 8:00 slot on 1/25 now contains an episode of Cold Case.
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I'm thinking we could see them in February since that's not a sweeps month this year.
/Seems so weird to say March sweeps.
//Could September sweeps be far behind?