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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: BrandonFG on December 19, 2008, 01:31:38 PM
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Inspired by the late-70s category FAMOUS LOSERS:
-Napoleon
-The early-90s Buffalo Bills (lost four straight Super Bowls)...too descriptive?
-The 2007 New England Patriots (obvious one)...too descriptive?
-John Kerry
-McCain and Palin
Although some might see those clues as a slight, in a way, all five did lose famously, so to speak. But do they fly in the terms of what the judges might consider "losers"?
<ding> or <BUZZ!>?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'204167\' date=\'Dec 19 2008, 10:31 AM\']
-Napoleon
-The early-90s Buffalo Bills (lost four straight Super Bowls)...too descriptive?
-The 2007 New England Patriots (obvious one)...too descriptive?
-John Kerry
-McCain and Palin
<ding> or <BUZZ!>?
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I don't see why not.
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My only hesistation would be with the football teams. Not that I'd definitely buzz them, but they are in that grey area. Otherwise, <ding> to the rest.
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I don't think the football teams are bad, either. The name itself is a noun, combined with a single descriptive non-prepositional phrase to qualify it. Works for me.
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How about (until 1999) Susan Lucci?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'204198\' date=\'Dec 19 2008, 11:41 AM\']
How about (until 1999) Susan Lucci?
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Maybe say it 17 times to convey her losses? ;-)
/Would hit it by the 4th.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'204202\' date=\'Dec 19 2008, 02:52 PM\']/Would hit it by the 4th.[/quote]The category, or a vulnerable Susan Lucci?
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The young Padawan makes me weep with pride.
"Awww, poor Susan. C'mere, let Uncle Kevin make it allllll better for you. Aw, yeah, that's right..."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'204216\' date=\'Dec 19 2008, 12:48 PM\']"Awww, poor Susan. C'mere, let Uncle Kevin make it allllll better for you. Aw, yeah, that's right..."
[/quote]Approves. (http://\"http://wordonthestreetradio.com/kalter.bmp\")
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'204198\' date=\'Dec 19 2008, 01:41 PM\']
How about (until 1999) Susan Lucci?
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Not sure how to read this. If you mean, "Until 1999, Susan Lucci," buzz. If you mean giving the clue, "Susan Lucci" before 1999, acceptable and a pretty good clue, depending on your partner. (More than once I've found that the so-called perfect clue isn't perfect for everyone.)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'204370\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 09:49 AM\']
If you mean giving the clue, "Susan Lucci" before 1999
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That is correct.
Another clue suggestion: The Chicago Cubs
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'204372\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 11:25 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'204370\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 09:49 AM\']
If you mean giving the clue, "Susan Lucci" before 1999
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That is correct.
Another clue suggestion: The Chicago Cubs
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The Detroit Lions would work.
(would Beck be too broad a clue?)
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The Boston Red Sox would have worked on any aired version of Pyramid so far.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'204385\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 03:43 PM\']
The Detroit Lions would work.
(would Beck be too broad a clue?)
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Beck should be fine. In the song, he said "I'm a loser.", so I don't see any problems.
And even though Ms Lucci has since won once, I'd say she's still a famous loser and I wouldn't hesistate to give that as a clue.
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' post=\'204387\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 02:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'204385\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 03:43 PM\']
The Detroit Lions would work.
(would Beck be too broad a clue?)
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Beck should be fine. In the song, he said "I'm a loser.", so I don't see any problems.
And even though Ms Lucci has since won once, I'd say she's still a famous loser and I wouldn't hesistate to give that as a clue.[/quote]Just because the Washington Generals beat the Globetrotters one game out of tens of thousands doesn't change our perception of them. :)
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' post=\'204387\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 05:04 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'204385\' date=\'Dec 21 2008, 03:43 PM\']
The Detroit Lions would work.
(would Beck be too broad a clue?)
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Beck should be fine. In the song, he said "I'm a loser.", so I don't see any problems.
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True...but I'd be banking on the fact that my partner knows the song "Loser" as I do.
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Forgive the bump, but wouldn't "McCain and Palin" be buzzed since it's a prepositional phrase?
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[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209241\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM\']Forgive the bump, but wouldn't "McCain and Palin" be buzzed since it's a prepositional phrase?[/quote]
Your English teacher would like a word with you. "And" is not a preposition. It is a conjunction.
/Cue the music.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'209258\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 05:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209241\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM\']Forgive the bump, but wouldn't "McCain and Palin" be buzzed since it's a prepositional phrase?[/quote]
Your English teacher would like a word with you. "And" is not a preposition. It is a conjunction.
/Cue the music.
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Bleah. I meant conjunction. I swear, I'm having more brain farts than ever. Do they have Brain Beano for that?
Seriously, I was under the impression that conjunctions weren't allowed either. I know I've seen phrases with "and" buzzed on $25KP/$100KP.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'209258\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 05:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209241\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM\']Forgive the bump, but wouldn't "McCain and Palin" be buzzed since it's a prepositional phrase?[/quote]
Your English teacher would like a word with you. "And" is not a preposition. It is a conjunction.
/Cue the music.
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Conjunction Junction, what's your function?
Hooking up words and phrases and clauses.
Conjunction Junction, how's that function?
I got three favorite cars
That get most of my job done.
Conjunction Junction, what's their function?
I got "and", "but", and "or",
They'll get you pretty far.
[spoken] "And":
That's an additive, like "this and that".
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Gotta love it! (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo\")
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Since it ain't done taught in the schools nowadays, I've been using Grammar Rock to teach the parts of speech to my middle school quiz bowl team. Pretty darn effective, even in the fast moving world of 2009.
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[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209273\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 05:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'209258\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 05:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209241\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM\']Forgive the bump, but wouldn't "McCain and Palin" be buzzed since it's a prepositional phrase?[/quote]
Your English teacher would like a word with you. "And" is not a preposition. It is a conjunction.
/Cue the music.
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Bleah. I meant conjunction. I swear, I'm having more brain farts than ever. Do they have Brain Beano for that?
Seriously, I was under the impression that conjunctions weren't allowed either. I know I've seen phrases with "and" buzzed on $25KP/$100KP.
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Ordinary conjunctions were generally legal; subordinating conjunctions were not, because they generally turned into descriptions.
Example: THINGS ON A LICENSE PLATE (actual category)
Clue: the state in which it was made (actual buzzed clue)
As an example of prepositions and ordinary conjunctions, I give this.
Example: THINGS THAT ARE TRADED (actual category)
Legal clue (mine): Brock and Broglio
Illegal variant: Brock for Broglio
I suspect that the "description" rule got extended to prepositional phrases in general because they tended to be descriptions. In the above example, Lou Brock and Ernie Broglio are two players who were traded, no problem. In the latter, the meaning is that Lou Brock was traded for Ernie Broglio. "for Ernie Broglio" here modifies the verb "traded", not the noun "Lou Brock".
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'209293\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 08:18 PM\']Ordinary conjunctions were generally legal; subordinating conjunctions were not, because they generally turned into descriptions.[/quote]
Huh. I distinctly remember "The Old Man and the Sea" being buzzed a clue for "Things on the Bottom", and the judge said it was because of the "and", not because it didn't fit the category. Like I said, I'm sure that I've seen other "and" clues, even ones like yours, get buzzed before.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'209277\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 05:35 PM\']
Since it ain't done taught in the schools nowadays, I've been using Grammar Rock to teach the parts of speech to my middle school quiz bowl team. Pretty darn effective, even in the fast moving world of 2009.
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So what *have* your kids learned by that point? I remember the joys of diagramming sentences in middle school... is that still taught? I remember Grammar Rock being reinforcement of things learned in school, not a first exposure to it. And this was public school... in the south... in the 70s... where most problems were dealt with by corporal punishment. The good ol' days... sigh.
/The password is GERUND
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[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'209305\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 09:38 PM\']So what *have* your kids learned by that point? I remember the joys of diagramming sentences in middle school... is that still taught?[/quote]
It wasn't in the 1990s, this I know. Or at least not in backwater schools in Michigan.
[quote name=\'mcsittel\' post=\'209305\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 09:38 PM\']/The password is GERUND
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Verb.... Ending...
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[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209295\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 08:42 PM\']
Huh. I distinctly remember "The Old Man and the Sea" being buzzed a clue for "Things on the Bottom", and the judge said it was because of the "and", not because it didn't fit the category.
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Am I missing something, or how does that clue even make sense?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'209351\' date=\'Mar 2 2009, 03:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'209295\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 08:42 PM\']
Huh. I distinctly remember "The Old Man and the Sea" being buzzed a clue for "Things on the Bottom", and the judge said it was because of the "and", not because it didn't fit the category.
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Am I missing something, or how does that clue even make sense?
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Hey, even if you were a celeb, would YOU always come up with great clues in 60 seconds on national television?