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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JamesVipond on December 10, 2008, 06:42:32 PM
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Having watched game show mock videos created by Michael Tiller and a couple of other YouTube users, I've decided to create at least one of my own. I'm starting with Super Pay Cards!, as it's a rather simple format.
I'm using a Mac mini with Poser 5, iMovie HD and NeoOffice. I already have the "contestants" and the first-round board. I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 03:42 PM\']
I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.[/quote]
Rethink it.
/and yes, that's sensible advice
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No, no, I think James' ambition should be encouraged.
Your contestants do talk and move, don't they, James?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'203386\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 04:52 PM\']
No, no, I think James' ambition should be encouraged.[/quote]
I'd agree on the condition that the inevitable "look at what I did and tell me how great it is!" post never happens. And to that end, I am not confident.
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I think you should go ahead.
I'm indifferent to the graphics/sound of Tiller's videos, as I know that it is very time consuming to create one of those shows. As an example, I'm still in the process of adapting an episode of Mike Klauss's "The Big Decision" (first played on a.t.g-s) that was played on BigJon's forums in March 2008. I spent several hours constructing the set. If I want to have actual motion, I'd have to keyframe all the characters and the scoring displays. The way the game was played, the contestants do not speak at all. Sound and animation are not trivial to do, and I comment Tiller for putting forth an effort.
On the other hand, I think the material to the games blows. For example, the question on his episode of Hall's "Split Second" that weren't taken from episodes on Youtube still sucked. For example, one question could not possibly be answered without having expert knowledge of "Masters of the Maze," while another required similar levels of familiarity with "Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?" The questions have been so bad that it is painful to get through an entire episode. On top of that, Tiller is not a very good host either, and he has all the time in the world to rerecord his voice if he should mess up. Yet he still seems like he has no idea what he's doing when he's hosting.
In summary, if you have good questions and are at least a capable host, I'd say go for it.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'203379\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 03:42 PM\']
I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.[/quote]
Rethink it.
/and yes, that's sensible advice
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I agree.
But whatever you decide to do, don't do something like this. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMgqxFidQXU&feature=related\")
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'203395\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 12:01 AM\']
But whatever you decide to do, don't do something like this. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMgqxFidQXU&feature=related\")
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This is basically a good rule of thumb to follow in life, let alone the internet.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'203395\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 09:01 PM\']
But whatever you decide to do, don't do something like this. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMgqxFidQXU&feature=related\")[/quote]
That was the most wonderfully surreal thing I have ever seen. Someone could deliver a flaming phone book to my door in the next five minutes, and it wouldn't be as surreal as that.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'203398\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 12:41 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'203395\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 09:01 PM\']
But whatever you decide to do, don't do something like this. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMgqxFidQXU&feature=related\")[/quote]
That was the most wonderfully surreal thing I have ever seen. Someone could deliver a flaming phone book to my door in the next five minutes, and it wouldn't be as surreal as that.
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Oh. My. God.
In case you want more, there are 301 other videos that he has lovingly produced.
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At least you won't be like the guy producing game shows with his lego sets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7No1ITs8HU (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7No1ITs8HU\")
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'203386\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:52 PM\']
No, no, I think James' ambition should be encouraged.
Your contestants do talk and move, don't they, James?
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Yes, I plan to record my own voice as the host, and use the trial versions of Cepstral voices for the contestants.
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I'm going to try to use the phrase "Let's pay and go home" more in my daily conversations.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'203398\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 12:41 AM\']
That was the most wonderfully surreal thing I have ever seen. [/quote]
Exactly my thought. In fact, quite frankly, Erik's efforts have been surreally fascinating to me for years now. In addition to the 301 YouTube videos and the 39 (probably more by now) Yahoo groups, there are also his parody song lyrics (http://\"http://www.amiright.com/parody/authors/eriktazmokracek.shtml\") and my personal favorite, his message board (http://\"http://tazsnewforums.proboards37.com/index.cgi\").
I truly have a hard time wrapping my brain around any of it, because he's clearly got some real amount of functional skill. These videos and groups and boards just don't spring up out of thin air. But just as clearly, this is somebody with significant mental problems. It could be considered creepy (some people do find it so) but I think it's fascinating.
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[font=\"Arial\"][color=\"#CC0000\"]RICHIE: HEY FONZ, WE HAVE GUESTS COMING OVER. WHERE CAN WE GET 10 CANS OF COFFEE AT A REASONABLE PRICE?
FONZ: WHY NOT BRADLEES?
RICHIE: BUT I'M LOW ON COFFEE FILTERS!
FONZ: NO PROBLEM. BRADLEES HAS THE LOWEST PRICES IN TOWN.
RICHIE: COME TO THINK OF IT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COFFEE POT.
FONZ: AY, NO SWEAT RICHIE. BRADLEES HAS EVERY SMALL HOME APPLIANCE YOU COULD EVER WANT.
RICHIE: AND A JUICER.
FONZ: SURE, THAT TOO.
DALE: (loads shotgun, turns on self)[/color][/font]
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'203426\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 10:49 AM\']
[font=\"Arial\"][color=\"#CC0000\"]RICHIE: HEY FONZ, WE HAVE GUESTS COMING OVER. WHERE CAN WE GET 10 CANS OF COFFEE AT A REASONABLE PRICE?
FONZ: WHY NOT BRADLEES?
RICHIE: BUT I'M LOW ON COFFEE FILTERS!
FONZ: NO PROBLEM. BRADLEES HAS THE LOWEST PRICES IN TOWN.
RICHIE: COME TO THINK OF IT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COFFEE POT.
FONZ: AY, NO SWEAT RICHIE. BRADLEES HAS EVERY SMALL HOME APPLIANCE YOU COULD EVER WANT.
RICHIE: AND A JUICER.
FONZ: SURE, THAT TOO.
DALE: (loads shotgun, turns on self)[/color][/font]
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Oh great, I'm responsible for a suicide.
(Coulda been worse...I coulda picked one of his other ones...)
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I'm thinking I've misunderstood this whole endeavour.
I believed this project to be a game with a live homo sapiens host and actual persons as contestants with scoring and such as (props to Lauren Caitlin Upton) displayed upon a projection device.
Am I correct in presuming now that this is to be an entirely computer-generated presentation?
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:42 PM\']
Having watched game show mock videos created by Michael Tiller and a couple of other YouTube users, I've decided to create at least one of my own. I'm starting with Super Pay Cards!, as it's a rather simple format.
I'm using a Mac mini with Poser 5, iMovie HD and NeoOffice. I already have the "contestants" and the first-round board. I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.
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Only if you allow Seanbaby to ruthlessly dissect it for lulz on his website. (Does he even update that thing anymore?)
Seriously, though, this is the sort of thing that will destroy the Internet. The day will come when we upload one homebrew game show or ranting whiny teenage idiot or middle-aged woman videotaping her cat or hastily recorded shot of someone's TV playing tonight's episode of Family Guy or college flash mob clip too many, and then we wind up with crashes, complete server breakdown, a global communications collapse and bloodbath riots in the street due to the immediate loss of the world's supply of free digital pornography.
It'll make 1929 and the Dust Bowl look like an afternoon at Chuck E. Cheese.
And why on earth would anyone want to emulate Michael Tiller? It's going to look something like this (http://\"http://www.seanbaby.com/oldstuff/links/11up.jpg\"), isn't it? Perhaps shinier, since you're using newer software. Yeah, still, no thanks.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'203453\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 03:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:42 PM\']
Having watched game show mock videos created by Michael Tiller and a couple of other YouTube users, I've decided to create at least one of my own. I'm starting with Super Pay Cards!, as it's a rather simple format.
I'm using a Mac mini with Poser 5, iMovie HD and NeoOffice. I already have the "contestants" and the first-round board. I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.
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Only if you allow Seanbaby to ruthlessly dissect it for lulz on his website. (Does he even update that thing anymore?)
Seriously, though, this is the sort of thing that will destroy the Internet. The day will come when we upload one homebrew game show or ranting whiny teenage idiot or middle-aged woman videotaping her cat or hastily recorded shot of someone's TV playing tonight's episode of Family Guy or college flash mob clip too many, and then we wind up with crashes, complete server breakdown, a global communications collapse and bloodbath riots in the street due to the immediate loss of the world's supply of free digital pornography.
It'll make 1929 and the Dust Bowl look like an afternoon at Chuck E. Cheese.
And why on earth would anyone want to emulate Michael Tiller? It's going to look something like this (http://\"http://www.seanbaby.com/oldstuff/links/11up.jpg\"), isn't it? Perhaps shinier, since you're using newer software. Yeah, still, no thanks.
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So it wasn't such a good idea. Is an administrator available to lock this thread?
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203456\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 04:26 PM\']
Is an administrator available to lock this thread?
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iris'll take care of it by the end of the week.
If you were actually hosting the thing and the game happenings were being played out live, then I'd be in the tent with this.
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203456\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 04:26 PM\']
So it wasn't such a good idea. Is an administrator available to lock this thread?
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And that's my good deed done for the week.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'203453\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 03:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:42 PM\']
Having watched game show mock videos created by Michael Tiller and a couple of other YouTube users, I've decided to create at least one of my own. I'm starting with Super Pay Cards!, as it's a rather simple format.
I'm using a Mac mini with Poser 5, iMovie HD and NeoOffice. I already have the "contestants" and the first-round board. I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.
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Only if you allow Seanbaby to ruthlessly dissect it for lulz on his website. (Does he even update that thing anymore?)
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I'd have picked these guys, (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/user/retsupurae?ob=4\") no offense.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'203424\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 10:24 AM\']I truly have a hard time wrapping my brain around any of it, because he's clearly got some real amount of functional skill....But just as clearly, this is somebody with significant mental problems.[/quote]
From these comments and my past personal experiences, it sounds like it could be Asperger syndrome. Granted, I have pretty much no background in the medical sciences, so my 2 cents are devalued here, but that's what I can infer.
/There were a couple of kids in my high school who had Asperger's.
//They were nice, but annoying.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'203469\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 04:52 PM\']
From these comments and my past personal experiences, it sounds like it could be Asperger syndrome. Granted, I have pretty much no background in the medical sciences, so my 2 cents are devalued here, but that's what I can infer.[/quote]
Dr. Mello, ladies and gentlemen.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'203469\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 08:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'203424\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 10:24 AM\']I truly have a hard time wrapping my brain around any of it, because he's clearly got some real amount of functional skill....But just as clearly, this is somebody with significant mental problems.[/quote]
From these comments and my past personal experiences, it sounds like it could be Asperger syndrome. Granted, I have pretty much no background in the medical sciences, so my 2 cents are devalued here, but that's what I can infer.
/There were a couple of kids in my high school who had Asperger's.
//They were nice, but annoying.
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People with Asperger Syndrome and Autism tend to range from very high functioning (like a number of members of this board) to catatonic states. Of those who are "normal," a lack of social awareness is prevalent and their mental age is much lower than their chronological age.
Essentially, the mundane things we recognize (such as someone walking away at the end of a conversation) goes unrecognized (they follow and continue the conversation anyway). It's the little cues that most people pick up on they they just don't see.
But, hey, why let something like a mental or physical impairment stop us from making fun and casting judgment?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'203459\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 01:28 PM\']If you were actually hosting the thing and the game happenings were being played out live, then I'd be in the tent with this.[/quote]Naw. It would be as if I had pulled out my wooden blocks, built a set, found some Lego mens, got a camera and went to town.
I agree, if you had actual people playing an actual game, and not a guy reading from a script, typing in answers for the people who aren't there, and whatever else Michael does that I've forgotten, that would be great. (Of course, that also depends on the level of effort put into creating the game, the technical skill to operate the camera, and other things, but in general, it's an improvement.)
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'203469\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 04:52 PM\']From these comments and my past personal experiences, it sounds like it could be Asperger syndrome. Granted, I have pretty much no background in the medical sciences, so my 2 cents are devalued here, but that's what I can infer.[/quote]Why can't it just be "that annoying kid"? Why tag the medical evaluation there? If I were to do that sort of thing, I wouldn't classify it as a condition, it would just be me being a dink. I don't understand why there has to be a classification.
I'll set this off with another comment. If I were to introduce you to three different kids and they said:
1) "I can name the last twenty American League batting champions in order with their corresponding averages."
2) "I can name each member of Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty along with his super power, Achilles heel and main villain."
3) "I can recite the questions, answers and response for everyone who has ever reached the $1 million question on Who Wants to be a Millionaire,
How would you rank them in terms of strangeness, or geekiness, or what have you? For whatever reason, it is deemed "normal" or "acceptable" to have an interest in sports or comic books as a youth, but things like game shows must mean that there's some sort of deficiency going on and it must be addressed. And I don't buy it. Some people can just retain that kind of tabular information, and they choose to do geeky things instead of good or evil.
[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'203473\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 05:58 PM\']But, hey, why let something like a mental or physical impairment stop us from making fun and casting judgment?[/quote]You fail at logical reasoning. The judgment is because of the behavior, not because of the "impairment," if indeed one exists.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'203468\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 07:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'203453\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 03:17 PM\']
[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' post=\'203378\' date=\'Dec 10 2008, 06:42 PM\']
Having watched game show mock videos created by Michael Tiller and a couple of other YouTube users, I've decided to create at least one of my own. I'm starting with Super Pay Cards!, as it's a rather simple format.
I'm using a Mac mini with Poser 5, iMovie HD and NeoOffice. I already have the "contestants" and the first-round board. I'd be grateful for any sensible advice regarding this project.
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Only if you allow Seanbaby to ruthlessly dissect it for lulz on his website. (Does he even update that thing anymore?)
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I'd have picked these guys, (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/user/retsupurae?ob=4\") no offense.
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I only mentioned Seanbaby because he has, shall we say, a pre-existing relationship with Mr. Vipond. A Google search will tell the story.
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People with Asperger Syndrome and Autism tend to range from very high functioning (like a number of members of this board)
Why, oh why?
Do boards devoted to wrestling or race car driving or souffle baking face the same situation?
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I don't really have a problem with the idea of 'staging' something like this. I mean, if the pitchfilm for Merv Griffin's Crosswords is any indication, there's a lot of it about. My problem is that the people who are doing this are doing shows that have already existed. Shows that weren't really that good to begin with. I mean, Jesus, if you're going to put forth the effort to do something like this, at least go the extra mile and come up with your own show.
We're dealing with people who got out the chessboard and all of a sudden started playing wack-a-mole...
[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'203473\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 08:58 PM\']
But, hey, why let something like a mental or physical impairment stop us from making fun and casting judgment?
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"[Asperger's] was introduced into the official classification systems in 1994 and has grown in popularity as a diagnosis, even though its validity has not been clearly established. It is interesting to note that it was introduced not so much as an indication of its status as a 'true' disorder, but more to stimulate research ... its validity is very much in question." (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Szatmari#cite_ref\")
Asperger's is only in the limelight because that's currently the fashionable disease to diagnose ones' self and ones' children as having.
But hey, INTERNET, amirite?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'203479\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 10:09 PM\']
People with Asperger Syndrome and Autism tend to range from very high functioning (like a number of members of this board)
Why, oh why?
Do boards devoted to wrestling or race car driving or souffle baking face the same situation? [/quote]
Yes, they do. (Speaking on wrestling -- I'll just assume on souffle baking).
Remember, we're talking about people who would, pre-internet, have kept their interests largely to their immediate area. It's the difference between pretending you're emceeing a game show with your action figures as a kid and entertaining yourself for an afternoon versus making a video of Lego Joker's Wild for YouTube.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'203474\' date=\'Dec 11 2008, 09:20 PM\']
For whatever reason, it is deemed "normal" or "acceptable" to have an interest in sports or comic books as a youth, but things like game shows must mean that there's some sort of deficiency going on and it must be addressed.
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I question this. Granted, my game show geekiness hampered my social life considerably in school (as in, I let it be my focus rather than a geekiness category that might have allowed me a larger social circle), but nobody in authority thought my basing as many projects (essays, art class, et al) under a game show umbrella as I could was something that needed to be addressed.
/Sure wish they'd've been realistic about my chances at a TV career, though
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I've produced several game show run-thrus over the years and have considered using computer animation for them, rather than renting a studio and building a set. All things considered, although more expensive I think the live studio approach would be preferable to an animated version, given the time-consuming nature of animation. With an animated show you're going to want live contestants and an emcee to play the game and lay down the audio track anyway. Depending on the complexity and format of the show you can set up a camera on the contestants and implement the game board using computer graphics and also record it on tape. Many game show formats are static and don't require elaborate staging or lighting. You could rent a hotel suite or use your living room and simply push the furniture out of the way. Those who attended Match Game during 2007's Congreff know what I'm talking about.
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For some of the shows I make and pitch, I make animated pitch films (in addition to live action stuff) on Sketchup and Flash along with Final Cut and all that stuff. It's not exactly agonizing to do but it is very tough to make it somewhat convincing, compelling, and to not make it look like an Adult Swim cartoon by mistake.