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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jay Temple on October 07, 2008, 02:16:07 AM
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Somewhere recently I noticed that Robert Q. Lewis had appeared on Match Game '73. (I think I saw the last show of the prior week, where Gene throws it to Johnny to announce the next week's panel. I confirmed it at IMDb.) That means that, 19 years apart, each of them hosted a show with the other on the panel. I checked all the other combinations I could think of and cannot find any other pair who did so over a wider span of time.
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I don't know if this applies, but Rayburn was Steve Allen's sidekick on The Tonight Show in the 50s. Fast forward 20+ years later, and Rayburn was a semi-regular panelist on Allen's I've Got a Secret, and a year after IGAS was cancelled, Steve Allen was on Match Game.
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Bill Cullen was a panelist on Garry Moore's IGAS as early as 52, while Garry appeared on Bill's 25kp circa 75-76.
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Ludden was on Convy's Tattletales, Convy was on P+ when Allen hosted , and Convy ended up hosting SP.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'199114\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 01:02 PM\']
Ludden was on Convy's Tattletales, Convy was on P+ when Allen hosted , and Convy ended up hosting SP.
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The thread asks of longer turnovers between Lewis and Rayburn's situation. This does not even come CLOSE.
That's maybe, what, 10 years at the most?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'199116\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 02:04 PM\']The thread asks of longer turnovers between Lewis and Rayburn's situation. This does not even come CLOSE.[/quote]Rawr. He's just contributing.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'199117\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 11:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'199116\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 02:04 PM\']The thread asks of longer turnovers between Lewis and Rayburn's situation. This does not even come CLOSE.[/quote]Rawr. He's just contributing.
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If every contribution is like that, this page is going to be 10 pages before we knew what hit us. The topic asks for long turnovers, not short ones.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'199118\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 11:15 AM\']
If every contribution is like that, this page is going to be 10 pages before we knew what hit us. The topic asks for long turnovers, not short ones.[/quote]
I point out that these threads tend to shake out like "pick ONE" threads, in that quite a few users never bother to read the stipulation in their haste to show off their vast knowledge.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'199088\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 09:07 AM\']
Bill Cullen was a panelist on Garry Moore's IGAS as early as 52, while Garry appeared on Bill's 25kp circa 75-76.[/quote]
Based on the OP, that works if you consider Pyramid celebrities a "panel", which not many of us would. Still, it's a reciprocal arrangement 23 years apart, and that's certainly worth considering (and noting) as well.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'199129\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 12:41 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'199088\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 09:07 AM\']
Bill Cullen was a panelist on Garry Moore's IGAS as early as 52, while Garry appeared on Bill's 25kp circa 75-76.[/quote]
Based on the OP, that works if you consider Pyramid celebrities a "panel", which not many of us would. Still, it's a reciprocal arrangement 23 years apart, and that's certainly worth considering (and noting) as well.
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If it is worth noting, were the Osmond brothers ever on American Bandstand? Again, not a panel thing, but a reciprocal arrangement.
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Gene Rayburn was according TV.com on Betty White's "Just Men" for a week in 1983, and Betty of course was a regular on Gene's "Make The Connection" in 1955 which makes for a 28 year span (and that I think has to be the record!)
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'199131\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 04:08 PM\']
Gene Rayburn was according TV.com on Betty White's "Just Men" for a week in 1983, and Betty of course was a regular on Gene's "Make The Connection" in 1955 which makes for a 28 year span (and that I think has to be the record!)[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen (OK, mostly gentlemen...), I think we have a winner!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'199136\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'199131\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 04:08 PM\']
Gene Rayburn was according TV.com on Betty White's "Just Men" for a week in 1983, and Betty of course was a regular on Gene's "Make The Connection" in 1955 which makes for a 28 year span (and that I think has to be the record!)[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen (OK, mostly gentlemen...), I think we have a winner!
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Hmm. How do you like that?
I think this whole exercise was interesting...shows how things can come full circle sometimes.
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I shouldn't have said panel. The Pyramid scenario was close enough to what I had in mind, although it's rendered moot by White/Rayburn. (And I'm kicking myself because I checked to see that Rayburn was never on Cullen's 25KP, but I didn't think of Cullen and Moore.)
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I'm one of those who subscribes to a wider definition of "panel", so to speak.
I mean, yeah, Line, Secret, Truth, The Name's the Same, definites. But I think you could expand a broader scope for shows like Password and Pyramid.
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If Tom Kennedy were to appear on Regis's Password in 2009 or 2010 he'd match or break the record! (not going to happen of course but it's the only scenario I can think of that theoretically could happen in regards to this record).
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'199153\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 06:29 PM\']
If Tom Kennedy were to appear on Regis's Password in 2009 or 2010 he'd match or break the record! (not going to happen of course but it's the only scenario I can think of that theoretically could happen in regards to this record).
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I think this is more in regards to the same two people appearing on one another's shows (hence the Robert Q.-Rayburn reference and the White-Rayburn record holder).
I think in the case of Tom Kennedy it would probably be more like a Kitty Carlisle scenario, appearing on versions of series decades apart (just on the surface, of course).
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'199158\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 07:09 PM\']
I think in the case of Tom Kennedy it would probably be more like a Kitty Carlisle scenario, appearing on versions of series decades apart (just on the surface, of course).
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I see where Eric was going, though. Remember, Kennedy hosted P+ from October 1980-March 1982, and Regis appeared twice in that timeframe. So it would fit if TK were to appear on Regis' version.
ETA: Not that Eric needs me to speak for him. :)
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Regis was on Password Plus when Tom was host which was why it would theoretically be possible for the record to be broken if Tom appeared on the current Password next year.
Edit-(made my post just at the exact same time!)
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'199169\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 08:56 PM\']
Regis was on Password Plus when Tom was host which was why it would theoretically be possible for the record to be broken if Tom appeared on the current Password next year.[/quote]
Interestingly, I had the very same though about the even-more-unlikely possibility of Tom Kennedy turning up on Jeopardy. Alex Trebek was a celebrity player on Tom's To Say The Least.
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Cool thread. Now let's go to the other end of the spectrum. Can anyone find the shortest gap between hosts appearing on each other's shows? (Not counting syndicated shows, whose airdates were subject to change.) I've already found two examples of hosts appearing on each other's shows within a week of each other and one example of hosts who appeared on each other's shows in the same week.
Guesses?
Brendan
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'199169\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 07:56 PM\']
Regis was on Password Plus when Tom was host which was why it would theoretically be possible for the record to be broken if Tom appeared on the current Password next year.
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Oh...now it makes more sense.
You learn something new every day.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'199198\' date=\'Oct 7 2008, 10:52 PM\']
Interestingly, I had the very same though about the even-more-unlikely possibility of Tom Kennedy turning up on Jeopardy. Alex Trebek was a celebrity player on Tom's To Say The Least.
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Time to bust out Game Show Hosts week on J!.
/there probably isn't 15 who would play.
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'199216\' date=\'Oct 8 2008, 12:22 AM\']Guesses?[/quote]Seeing that its coming from the Pyramid fan; I'll guess you're referring to a week where Bill did the daytime show and Dick was on the syndie?
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The fact that he rules out syndicated shows knocks out a LOT of stuff, including Cullen's 25KP.
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Perhaps Peter Marshall on the NBC game show hosts episode of "Jeopardy!", then Art Fleming appearing on "Hollywood Squares"? Don't know the time frames of those.
My other guess is Convy appearing on "Match Game '74", then Rayburn going on "Tattletales"?
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Wait a minute--didn't Ludden do a walk-on on 50 GRAND SLAM and Kennedy a walk-on on STUMPERS during the premeire week (if not the premiere day)?
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'199250\' date=\'Oct 8 2008, 04:03 PM\']
Wait a minute--didn't Ludden do a walk-on on 50 GRAND SLAM and Kennedy a walk-on on STUMPERS during the premeire week (if not the premiere day)?
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Yes, a few minutes apart (unless you lived in my market where there was an hour between Stumpers and 50. They had news at noon and delayed NBC's noon show to 1pm.)
Does Match Game/Hollywood Squares count? :)
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To just go back to the original premise, if Betty White were to ever do WOF in 2011 that would match the record since Pat Sajak was on for a week of "Just Men" in 83 as well too.
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A few hints are in order, I believe:
1. I was referring to hosts appearing on each other's shows as players, not just cameos, which rules out the "Stumpers"/"50 Grand Slam" scenario (though that was a clever guess).
2. One instance of hosts appearing on each other's shows in back-to-back weeks happened in 1973 (actually, it happened twice that year, with the same hosts), and the other happened in 1980. The instance of the two hosts appearing on each other's shows in the same week happened in 1975.
3. None of the three shows mentioned above are "Pyramid."
4. There are six different hosts involved in the scenarios mentioned in item 2 -- no overlap.
Brendan
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The 1980 example is Bill Cullen appearing as a player (not yet filling in as sub host) on Password Plus for the week of March 3-7, 1980 and Allen Ludden appearing on "Chain Reaction" the following week.
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For 73, I will guess Enberg/Marshall.
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Kudos to Eric and Jimmy! Those are indeed the correct answers for the hosts appearing on each other's shows in back-to-back weeks. Dick Enberg appeared on HS the week of 4/2/73, and Peter Marshall appeared on "Baffle" the following week. It happened again with those two hosts the weeks of 10/22 and 10/29 that same year.
The hosts who appeared on each other's shows at the same time might be a little tougher because I don't think there are any episode guides online for one of them, so let me add one more hint besides the fact that it happened in 1975: Host 1 appeared on Host 2's show along with a favorite panelist from Host 1's show.
Brendan
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Shot in the dark for 1975: Art James on Hollywood Squares, Peter Marshall and Paul Lynde on Magnificent Marble Machine?
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The hosts who appeared on each other's shows at the same time might be a little tougher because I don't think there are any episode guides online for one of them, so let me add one more hint besides the fact that it happened in 1975: Host 1 appeared on Host 2's show along with a favorite panelist from Host 1's show.
I think what he's referring to is "Showoffs". There were a couple of weeks where Gene Rayburn and Richard Dawson appeared as panelists, and Bobby Van frequently appeared on "Match Game". There must have been a week where the airdates lined up.
That would be my guess.
/Disclaimer...I haven't even gone back to check my old TV Guides...so if that's the right answer...I didn't cheat!
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Give Mr. Wallis a cigar! Gene Rayburn and Richard Dawson appeared on "Showoffs" the week of September 8, 1975, and for at least part of that week (thanks to the weird CBS airings of MG), Bobby Van was on MG '75, and Gene commented on how much fun he and Richard had on Bobby's show.
Brendan