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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Gus on September 19, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
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Premiere ep of Trivial Pursuit came down this morning. Here's the gameplay rundown:
Starts off with three players. Six categories, obviously, which (in this ep at least) roughly correspond to the actual TVP categories. Computer randomly picks a category and value (seemed to be about $300-$600 in increments of $50) for each question. Correct answers by the studio contestants put the value into the studio bank; triple-stumpers put it in America's bank. First two players to fill three of their wedges advance, lagger leaves. First question is an all-play; the player who gets it right gets the all next questions all to himself, until they either miss or get their third wedge; if they miss, the other two can buzz-in on the same question. If you answer a question in a category you already have a wedge for, nothing special happens, just like the board game. The first player to get to three wedges sits out until the second person makes it.
Second round is entirely all-play, all questions worth $1,000. No categories here, so correct answers just fill up a wedge. First to get to six advances.
Final round is exactly six questions. First question is worth $500, second is $1000, then $2000, $3k, $4k, and $5k. The categories are shown at the outset, and the order that they are asked in is shuffled. Right answers put money in the studio bank, wrong answers or no-answers put it in America's bank. Whoever's bank is bigger at the end wins their bank; for America, it means it's divided evenly among all the people who had their questions asked that day, plus America's Captain, who shows up live on webcam and asks several questions throughout.
Christopher is a tiny bit stiff, but given that it's his first game show episode ever, he wasn't that bad. No Patrick Wayne or Jim Caldwell for sure. Set is good, game is good, material is good, pacing is good. Echelons better than Temptation or Crosswords. I'm psyched.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197685\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 07:29 AM\']
I'm psyched.[/quote]
All due respect, I don't know why. I just do not look at that and say "Oh yeah. THAT'S the next great format."
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Gameplay sounds interesting enough, and I like the elimination format of first-to-three. The play until wrong or reach three wedges reminds me a little of TJW90. In terms of distribution of money, and in doing a little math, looks like an average payday will be in the $10-15,000 range, so about what an average Syn-Deal contestant makes. Not bad, and now I look forward to watching on my lunch break this Monday.
Gus, two questions, neither of which will affect me watching the show come Monday. 1) Was there an announcer, and 2) how difficult would you say were the questions? The pilot clip that Debmar-Mercury posted gave me the impression of lower second-tier Millionaire-level questions.
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Hmmm, interesting. And at least from this rule sheet it looks like there's a decent amount of dosh being thrown around, a very good incentive for people who want to submit questions.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197685\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 09:29 AM\']Echelons better than Temptation or Crosswords.[/quote]
I've had bowel movements that were more entertaining than those two. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'197687\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:55 AM\']1) Was there an announcer,[/quote]
There was a voiceover in the show open, but nothing after that.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'197687\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:55 AM\']and 2) how difficult would you say were the questions? The pilot clip that Debmar-Mercury posted gave me the impression of lower second-tier Millionaire-level questions.[/quote]
I'd say main game ones were lower or middle second-tier, a few bonus rounders approached the upper second-tier.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197686\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:53 AM\']
All due respect, I don't know why. I just do not look at that and say "Oh yeah. THAT'S the next great format."
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Who said I can't be excited about something even though it's not the absolute best thing evar?
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197712\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 12:20 PM\']
Who said I can't be excited about something even though it's not the absolute best thing evar?[/quote]
Certainly not I. I was just saying that I just don't see much in there to get excited about.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197685\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 09:29 AM\']
Whoever's bank is bigger at the end wins their bank; for America, it means it's divided evenly among all the people who had their questions asked that day, plus America's Captain, who shows up live on webcam and asks several questions throughout.
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A couple of other notes: If America wins, they split - if the Contestant wins, they get the chance to go double or nothing on one last question. You could be looking at a theoretical $40k payday. Doubtful, but it could happen.
Also, set-wise, it's nice to see the floor light up in the same color as the category. Nice little touch IMO.
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This format seems like it could lead to a looooot of stretching if you get a couple of smart players.
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I just wish a station in my neck of the woods airs it at a decent time. No way I'm gonna watch it at 4 AM here in Philly(WTXF-TV Fox 29). The only other option left is WFMZ-TV 69 out of Allentown PA(If they picked it up) which I highly doubt.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'197743\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 01:31 AM\']
I just wish a station in my neck of the woods airs it at a decent time. No way I'm gonna watch it at 4 AM here in Philly(WTXF-TV Fox 29).[/quote]
If only a device existed, that used magnetic tape, perhaps housed in a cassette or some sort, or maybe some sort of digital media format, that could record video for later playback at the whim of the viewer. Then all of these "problems" would just go away.
I have no idea what such a video-cassette or digital-video recording device would be called, though.
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Betamax?
R.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197746\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 06:26 AM\']If only a device existed, that used magnetic tape, perhaps housed in a cassette or some sort, or maybe some sort of digital media format, that could record video for later playback at the whim of the viewer. Then all of these "problems" would just go away.
I have no idea what such a video-cassette or digital-video recording device would be called, though.[/quote]
Pfft. When Craiggers sees all the cables and buttons involved in setting up such a magical box, he'll toss it out the window like a TV when there is an Italian contestant on Wheel of Fortune.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197746\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 06:26 AM\']
I have no idea what such a video-cassette or digital-video recording device would be called, though.
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Kinescope!
/that's what I'd have to do to record it.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'197741\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 11:22 PM\']
This format seems like it could lead to a looooot of stretching if you get a couple of smart players.
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How is that a problem? Two smart players would actually turn the game into a nail-biter.
I mean I feel that this game will be one of the better new formats I have seen in years. So far the format definitely blows the Family Channel show out of the water.
My only gripe is that they should change the name of the team of internet players to something like the "Web". That might remove the problem of labeling the outside players as "America" because some viewers at home might see that as offensively labeling America as a bad guy. Other than that, I'm watching Monday.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197716\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 03:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197712\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 12:20 PM\']
Who said I can't be excited about something even though it's not the absolute best thing evar?[/quote]
Certainly not I. I was just saying that I just don't see much in there to get excited about.
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Based on the initial review, I would say the stuff to get excited about it a reasonably unbroken game that features actual competition. When was the last time that happened?
'Brian
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[quote name=\'JackSpader\' post=\'197753\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 11:24 AM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'197741\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 11:22 PM\']This format seems like it could lead to a looooot of stretching if you get a couple of smart players.[/quote]How is that a problem? Two smart players would actually turn the game into a nail-biter.[/quote]
This is episodic television and the entire half hour has to be filled. The game might be exciting with two smart players, but it would also be short, and that's what Robert is saying. If I'm reading it right, there could theoretically be as few as 18 questions asked in a game, compared to the 61 that Jeopardy can get through.
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[quote name=\'GameShowFan\' post=\'197755\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 09:00 AM\']
Based on the initial review, I would say the stuff to get excited about it a reasonably unbroken game that features actual competition. When was the last time that happened?[/quote]
If I stuck two people up on stage and alternated asking them questions until someone got to 10, that would also be unbroken and feature actual competition., but it wouldn't be very original. That's what I'm seeing here. The whole thing strikes me as very pedestrian.
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[quote name=\'JackSpader\' post=\'197753\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 08:24 AM\']My only gripe is that they should change the name of the team of internet players to something like the "Web". That might remove the problem of labeling the outside players as "America" because some viewers at home might see that as offensively labeling America as a bad guy. Other than that, I'm watching Monday.[/quote]Who is this 'some'? Raise your hand if when you heard about this, you thought "Oh no! They're making "America" the spoiler! People in Europe won't like this a bit!" or some similar nonsense.
And that's what this is. Anyone who sees America's Team as anything more than the opposition (the Spoilers from Double Dare, even?) is not worth my time, and I'm tired of having to put bubble wrap around every single expression because it might offend someone somewhere.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197765\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 03:00 PM\']
That's what I'm seeing here. The whole thing strikes me as very pedestrian.
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I see what you mean, but that's when it comes down to the execution. Some of the most popular games are derived from very pedestrian concepts. Millionaire is nothing more than a multiple-choice quiz. Add the lifelines, and you actually have an interesting strategic trivia game.
Ditto for Jeopardy!, in that, it's nothing more than a reverse Q&A over and over, but the Daily Doubles and other factors add strategy to what is a very simple concept.
I'd rather see a well-executed pedestrian concept, than a poorly broken concept with potential (i.e. Temptation or Crosswords).
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'197771\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 01:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197765\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 03:00 PM\']
That's what I'm seeing here. The whole thing strikes me as very pedestrian.
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I see what you mean, but that's when it comes down to the execution. Some of the most popular games are derived from very pedestrian concepts. Millionaire is nothing more than a multiple-choice quiz. Add the lifelines, and you actually have an interesting strategic trivia game.
Ditto for Jeopardy!, in that, it's nothing more than a reverse Q&A over and over, but the Daily Doubles and other factors add strategy to what is a very simple concept.[/quote]
Agreed on both counts. But "keep control on a right answer" is pretty much the only angle this game has, and that only in the first round. And that doesn't do it for me. The "America's Team" crap is chrome and no more.
I dunno. I don't see it. I'd be thrilled to be wrong.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'197756\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 12:23 PM\']This is episodic television and the entire half hour has to be filled. The game might be exciting with two smart players, but it would also be short, and that's what Robert is saying.[/quote]
Yes, that was it. (Matt, you really get me.)
If I'm reading it right, there could theoretically be as few as 18 questions asked in a game, compared to the 61 that Jeopardy can get through.
I had it down to as few as 15, but I realize now that I was making an assumption about the first round wedges "going through" to the second round.
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[quote name=\'JackSpader\' post=\'197753\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 10:24 AM\']
I mean I feel that this game will be one of the better new formats I have seen in years. So far the format definitely blows the Family Channel show out of the water.
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Maybe, but the announcer on that FAM show blows everybody out of the water.
/Well, everybody except maybe Pat O'Brien.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'197780\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 07:33 PM\']
/Well, everybody except maybe Pat O'Brien.
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He's not immune anymore. (http://\"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/092008dnentobrien.c5020c.html\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197772\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 04:52 PM\']
The "America's Team" crap is chrome and no more.
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That's what I've been saying about the Dallas Cowboys for the last 30-some years!
:)
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'197782\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 07:59 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'197772\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 04:52 PM\']
The "America's Team" crap is chrome and no more.
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That's what I've been saying about the Dallas Cowboys for the last 30-some years!
:)
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Watch it, pal! >:o ;-)
ObGameShow: John Davidson starred in an early-80s TV movie featuring the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'197781\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 06:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'197780\' date=\'Sep 20 2008, 07:33 PM\']
/Well, everybody except maybe Pat O'Brien.
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He's not immune anymore. (http://\"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/092008dnentobrien.c5020c.html\")
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But he's still great.
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Well, I know it's still a day and a half away, and digital programming guides are always subject to change. But while the TP:AP site lists the show as airing in a double-run on WPWR starting at 3pm, the Comcast guide shows a double-run of Tyler Perry's House of Payne in that slot through the whole week.
/if true, that's 4 local airings a day of Tyler Perry
//what did we, as a market, do to deserve that?
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197685\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:29 AM\']
Premiere ep of Trivial Pursuit came down this morning. Here's the gameplay rundown:
Computer randomly picks a category and value (seemed to be about $300-$600 in increments of $50) for each question.
Correct answers by the studio contestants put the value into the studio bank; triple-stumpers put it in America's bank.
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My understanding from the taping I attended is that the values are $250-$500 in the first round. Also, I believe that any question which is answered incorrectly -- whether it is answered correctly by another player or not -- goes into America's bank. Did you see any examples to the contrary on the premiere ep?
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'197736\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:16 PM\']
A couple of other notes: If America wins, they split - if the Contestant wins, they get the chance to go double or nothing on one last question. You could be looking at a theoretical $40k payday. Doubtful, but it could happen.
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Again, this is not what I understand from the taping I saw. If the Studio player wins, they win whatever is in the Studio bank... UNLESS they win before the game is completely over (i.e. the outcome of the last question or two in the endgame would not affect who the winner is). In that case, they may answer the next question for double or nothing if they so choose. (They may not answer more than one question for double or nothing should there be more than one that is unused.)
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'197793\' date=\'Sep 21 2008, 02:22 AM\']
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'197685\' date=\'Sep 19 2008, 10:29 AM\']
Premiere ep of Trivial Pursuit came down this morning. Here's the gameplay rundown:
Computer randomly picks a category and value (seemed to be about $300-$600 in increments of $50) for each question.
Correct answers by the studio contestants put the value into the studio bank; triple-stumpers put it in America's bank.
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My understanding from the taping I attended is that the values are $250-$500 in the first round. Also, I believe that any question which is answered incorrectly -- whether it is answered correctly by another player or not -- goes into America's bank. Did you see any examples to the contrary on the premiere ep?
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Correct. On my episode today in the double-run, a player missed a question in Round 1 and then an opponent stole it, but the money was still put in America's bank. And that's truthfully fair now that I see it, because otherwise it's gonna lead to a ton of runaways for the studio players with the difficulty of these questions.
I'd personally peg the difficulty at 2K-8K Millionaire level. I tried to raise the bar as much as I could, personally. Those of you in the double run neighborhoods can let me know if I accomplished that.
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I suspect that the Comcast/TVG Interactive possible mislabeling of schedules (that has "House of Payne" running at 3 p.m. on WPWR instead of "TP") is some sort of a bobble with Chicago daytime schedules with TVG Interactive--for anything other than the current week, the schedule shows Martha at noon and "Crosswords" at 2 p.m. instead of "DOND" and Bonnie Hunt, respectively. And there seem to be screwups on the WFLD and WPWR schedules, especially considering that "Judge Hatchett" seems to have moved to WCIU.
Isn't there someone on this board who may have the power to do someting about this?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'197991\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 04:14 PM\']
I suspect that the Comcast/TVG Interactive possible mislabeling of schedules (that has "House of Payne" running at 3 p.m. on WPWR instead of "TP") is some sort of a bobble with Chicago daytime schedules with TVG Interactive--for anything other than the current week, the schedule shows Martha at noon and "Crosswords" at 2 p.m. instead of "DOND" and Bonnie Hunt, respectively. And there seem to be screwups on the WFLD and WPWR schedules, especially considering that "Judge Hatchett" seems to have moved to WCIU.
Isn't there someone on this board who may have the power to do someting about this?
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If I could do something about it, I would. If I could publicly comment on it more than a crappy generalization, I would.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'197991\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 04:14 PM\']
I suspect that the Comcast/TVG Interactive possible mislabeling of schedules (that has "House of Payne" running at 3 p.m. on WPWR instead of "TP") is some sort of a bobble with Chicago daytime schedules with TVG Interactive--for anything other than the current week, the schedule shows Martha at noon and "Crosswords" at 2 p.m. instead of "DOND" and Bonnie Hunt, respectively. And there seem to be screwups on the WFLD and WPWR schedules, especially considering that "Judge Hatchett" seems to have moved to WCIU.
Isn't there someone on this board who may have the power to do someting about this?
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I can't fix it, but I do know that my own DVR box in PA has had off-the-wall incorrect listings for the past two weeks. As in, on Mondays, Millionaire shows up in its correct timeslot, but T-F, Roseanne reruns show up in that slot.
/can't understand why it takes so long for a guide to repopulate after a power outage or reboot, with the bandwidth we have
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One of the neat things about the old TV Guide magazine with local listings is that you could hold it in your hand and it never had to reboot. Plus, it sorta forced stations to stick to a schedule. It would be more of a revenue earner if the new owners of the mag would return it to the way it used to be-digest-sized with local station listings. Cable, I don't need; local I do.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'197995\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 04:40 PM\']
I can't fix it, but I do know that my own DVR box in PA has had off-the-wall incorrect listings for the past two weeks. As in, on Mondays, Millionaire shows up in its correct timeslot, but T-F, Roseanne reruns show up in that slot.
/can't understand why it takes so long for a guide to repopulate after a power outage or reboot, with the bandwidth we have
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It has nothing to do with your box. Trust me.
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So how many people here have submitted questions for the program? I uploaded my tenth today.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'198021\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 05:28 PM\']
It has nothing to do with your box. Trust me.[/quote]
Didn't they say the same thing to Britney Spears?
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'198023\' date=\'Sep 23 2008, 05:34 PM\']
So how many people here have submitted questions for the program? I uploaded my tenth today.
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I couldn't even make it through a whole episode. I doubt I will be submitting material for the show. :)