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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: MikeK on October 13, 2003, 12:51:03 PM
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What season of Wheel and Jeopardy is GSN currently airing weekdays? I'm guessing they're staying in the same seasons as the weekend run. Any assistance is appreciated.
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Yep, both started with the premieres from the same seasons. Thus far, LMAD has been the only "it's new to you" series.
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When will GSN get a friggin' clue? Gessus, they just don't understand do they?
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At the very least, it seems sad that they can't even get a different season of their "flagship" shows (ie WoF and J!) without a major hassle or (seemingly) expense.
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The WOF is the wretched 1988-1989 season, with M.G. Kelly as new announcer (today we had the first show in which Pat paid tribute to Jack Clark).
I think J! is the 1997-1998 season. Not exactly sure, since I was in the kitchen making pancakes.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 05:36 PM\'] The WOF is the wretched 1988-1989 season, with M.G. Kelly as new announcer (today we had the first show in which Pat paid tribute to Jack Clark).
I think J! is the 1997-1998 season. Not exactly sure, since I was in the kitchen making pancakes. [/quote]
Season premiere, '97. Ugh.
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Season premiere, '97. Ugh.
I really don't have nothing against the '97 season, but after seeing it in '97, and about 2 times more on GSN, it's gets a bit boring. The purist in me says it's time to pull out some '84-'90 eps, But I'd settle for a diffrent year as well. Last time I checked, there still getting them for free from Sony, so would it be that big of a hastle? (Correct me if I would be wrong.)
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GSN does this all the time with all the shows (save for the MG3).......running the same 150 eps of the same shows.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 06:35 PM\'] GSN does this all the time with all the shows (save for the MG3).......running the same 150 eps of the same shows. [/quote]
No, they don't. They do it with the shows they are apparently leasing.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 08:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 06:35 PM\'] GSN does this all the time with all the shows (save for the MG3).......running the same 150 eps of the same shows. [/quote]
No, they don't. They do it with the shows they are apparently leasing.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
Then, if you want to nitpick, how about they LEASE A DIFFERENT YEAR OF SHOWS? Oh wait, that costs money, something Bob Boden won't spend for sure. We are lucky that he even bought Millionaire.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 07:35 PM\'] Then, if you want to nitpick, how about they LEASE A DIFFERENT YEAR OF SHOWS? Oh wait, that costs money, something Bob Boden won't spend for sure. We are lucky that he even bought Millionaire. [/quote]
It's not a nitpick... the statement just wasn't true.
And that is definitely your opinion that we are "lucky" to have Millionaire. I really don't care to watch it that much, and would rather they show more of what they have.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 06:29 PM\']
Season premiere, '97. Ugh.
I really don't have nothing against the '97 season, but after seeing it in '97, and about 2 times more on GSN, it's gets a bit boring. The purist in me says it's time to pull out some '84-'90 eps, But I'd settle for a diffrent year as well. Last time I checked, there still getting them for free from Sony, so would it be that big of a hastle? (Correct me if I would be wrong.) [/quote]
I believe that ever since Liberty bought their portion of Game Show Network, Sony has been charging GSN for the library product.
And I also, do not particularly care for, nor welcome "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" to the lineup.
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At the very least, it seems sad that they can't even get a different season of their "flagship" shows (ie WoF and J!) without a major hassle or (seemingly) expense.
This doesn't make sense to me. When they lease even a small portion of episodes, don't they get a certain amount of runs of each episode? If they wanted to increase the number of runs it would cost them more, right? Can it possibly cost that much more to lease a different group of episodes instead? Certainly viewership has to drop with the constant repeats (...oh wait, it has. 40%, right?)
I wonder how much Sony is charging them - especially since Sony owns half of GSN. You'd figure Sony would want to get *some* mileage out of what they have and give GSN a bit of a break, rather than let all that stuff sit there - but I guess that's been brought up before, hasn't it?
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 04:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 05:36 PM\']
I think J! is the 1997-1998 season. Not exactly sure, since I was in the kitchen making pancakes. [/quote]
Season premiere, '97. Ugh. [/quote]
Alex said it was their 14th-season premiere. That clearly makes it 1997. I didn't mind the season premiere, because it aired on Labor Day, so my local station pre-empted it for Jerry Lewis' telethon.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 07:35 PM\'][quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 08:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 06:35 PM\'] GSN does this all the time with all the shows (save for the MG3).......running the same 150 eps of the same shows. [/quote]
No, they don't. They do it with the shows they are apparently leasing.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
Then, if you want to nitpick, how about they LEASE A DIFFERENT YEAR OF SHOWS? Oh wait, that costs money, something Bob Boden won't spend for sure. We are lucky that he even bought Millionaire.[/quote]
You can't spend money if you don't have it--and this includes original shows, since unless a surprise comes up GSN will have produced in 2003 half of the amount of original programming they produced last year (not counting the video game block, since that's all wraparounds and interstitials to two acquired shows). Boden would probably rather acquire the entire run of a series, but if Unca Rich doesn't give him the money to do that (which Unca Rich has to get from his two corporate bosses, one of which is alleged on this board to being hostile to GSN at this time), he can't.
This is Michael Fleming's last little gift to GSN--he made a lot of no-subscriber fee deals with systems to increase carriage in the late 90s (including the TCI/AT&T/Comcast digital tier deal), and if they're not collecting subscriber fees from a significant number of systems, that's gotta hurt--especially when you're a niche channel that features programming ad agencies are hostile to.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 07:35 PM\'] [quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 08:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Oct 13 2003, 06:35 PM\'] GSN does this all the time with all the shows (save for the MG3).......running the same 150 eps of the same shows. [/quote]
No, they don't. They do it with the shows they are apparently leasing.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
Then, if you want to nitpick, how about they LEASE A DIFFERENT YEAR OF SHOWS? Oh wait, that costs money, something Bob Boden won't spend for sure. We are lucky that he even bought Millionaire. [/quote]
Actually, I think it becomes more and more obvious that any classics-positive work was carried by Boden. Remember, there IS another person to blame, and one whom someone commented to me already made two cable channels inferior comared to their earlier quality.
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Actually, I think it becomes more and more obvious that any classics-positive work was carried by Boden. Remember, there IS another person to blame, and one whom someone commented to me already made two cable channels inferior comared to their earlier quality.
How many years does he have left on his contract anyway?
Considering the cudos he's recently gotten for the "Governor of California" special, I somehow doubt he's going anywhere anytime soon. So I guess we're stuck with GSN the way it is.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Oct 15 2003, 11:47 PM\']Actually, I think it becomes more and more obvious that any classics-positive work was carried by Boden. Remember, there IS another person to blame, and one whom someone commented to me already made two cable channels inferior comared to their earlier quality.[/quote]
Cronin *launched* TV Land. What might be interpreted as making the channel inferior was done by his successors. And Nick-at-Nite always has to consider the fact that they're leading out of Nickelodeon every night, especially when Nick started programming in the first hour of prime time. That makes it their job to hang on to at least part of the Nick audience until their bedtimes.
And technically, he was launching Fox Family, as well, since they had none of the programming contracts from the Pat Robertson days except "700 Club"--although there may've been other people to blame in the Fox organization for the channel's lack of success (hellooooooo, Haim Saban!). Consider that the Disney folks, despite their success in remaking the Disney Channel, haven't scored any particular successes with ABC Family yet--and that the Robertson FAM was never that well-programmed either, except for the Tony Thompoulos years that got cut off by Robertson selling the channel to Fox.
Oh, yeah--the guy running daytime programming for Thomopoulos at FAM was someone named Bob Boden. :)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Oct 14 2003, 03:01 PM\'] This is Michael Fleming's last little gift to GSN--he made a lot of no-subscriber fee deals with systems to increase carriage in the late 90s (including the TCI/AT&T/Comcast digital tier deal), and if they're not collecting subscriber fees from a significant number of systems, that's gotta hurt--especially when you're a niche channel that features programming ad agencies are hostile to. [/quote]
Which must have expired, now, because GSN has been moved down a tier in service--it's on the $6.95/extra per month digital tier; whereas GAS and G4 remain on basic digital. (Here in Central Iowa, anyhow).