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Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: BrandonFG on May 29, 2008, 01:25:09 PM: Although I thought they started today, apparently Daytime Deal started taping within the last week, and Buzzerblog mentions that the Hollywood Junket blog (http://\"http://hollywoodjunket.com/blog/\") gives a little more info on the show. From the blog:
[quote name=\''HollywoodJunket.com'\']Contestants are chosen randomly through the luck of a ball landing on their number in a wheel that is spun by Patricia Kara (#9), and Tameka Jacobs (#21).
[/quote]Also, the top prize is now $500,000, per Hollywood Junket. I still haven't found a way to register for HJ, so I couldn't comment and ask whether they keep the insane contestants and/or gimmicks. Considering the blogger mentioned a faster pace, I'm guessing not?
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: itiparanoid13 on May 29, 2008, 01:41:45 PM: This is what Beth told me.

*The top prize is $500,000; with the top 3 figures being $500,000; $250,000; and $100,000.

*She can't remember the exact case selection pattern, but she said it's similar to the British 5-3-3-3-3. That might be it, but I'm not sure yet.

*The Banker is supposedly stingier but I'll be the judge of that.

*22 contestants each hold a case and can stay on until they play but counting how the taping pattern is unless they can stay away from work for a while I doubt people will be around for weeks upon weeks.

*Contestants are chosen by a wheel. It's similar to the Deal Wheel where the ball will land in one of the sections, and that number is selected to come down to play.

*Only 2 models, and all they do is remove the selected cases from the playing field and start the selection machine.

*Less audience, and there's no friends and family section.

Looks to be really good. My hopes are really high for this now.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Jay Temple on May 29, 2008, 01:51:05 PM: [quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'186993\' date=\'May 29 2008, 12:41 PM\']*there's no friends and family section.[/quote]
This is the best news of all!
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: tvwxman on May 29, 2008, 02:39:00 PM: This sounds a LOT like the UK version, which pleases me greatly....but I still can't imagine how they'll jam it into 22 minutes. Half of the charm of the UK version is the psychology of the game, which you can bet will still be absent in ours.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Jimmy Owen on May 29, 2008, 02:51:12 PM: Now, if only each player had a different riddle, I'd watch.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: davemackey on May 29, 2008, 04:51:30 PM: [quote name=\''HollywoodJunket.com'\']Contestants are chosen randomly through the luck of a ball landing on their number in a wheel that is spun by Patricia Kara (#9), and Tameka Jacobs (#21).
[/quote]
I'm there already. Wonder, though, if the models are going to rotate? Or if those two are The Chosen Ones?

/I'd pay money to watch Tameka rotate
//giggity
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on May 29, 2008, 04:54:42 PM: [quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'186993\' date=\'May 29 2008, 12:41 PM\']
*22 contestants each hold a case and can stay on until they play but counting how the taping pattern is unless they can stay away from work for a while I doubt people will be around for weeks upon weeks.
[/quote]
One thing *I* would have loved to see them borrow from the Australian show, that probably won't happen with recurring contestants - is the $500 bonus (and the occasional Megaguess) - for the other box holders guessing correctly what's in their box
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Brig Bother on May 29, 2008, 05:45:10 PM: [quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'187013\' date=\'May 29 2008, 09:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'186993\' date=\'May 29 2008, 12:41 PM\']
*22 contestants each hold a case and can stay on until they play but counting how the taping pattern is unless they can stay away from work for a while I doubt people will be around for weeks upon weeks.
[/quote]
One thing *I* would have loved to see them borrow from the Australian show, that probably won't happen with recurring contestants - is the $500 bonus (and the occasional Megaguess) - for the other box holders guessing correctly what's in their box
[/quote]

The point of the daily European version of Deal is that you wait and wait and wait and then sometimes win big or sometimes go away with very little. Giving people the opportunity to be seveal thousands up before they even begin misses the point and loses the possible drama entirely.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on May 29, 2008, 05:48:18 PM: [quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187020\' date=\'May 29 2008, 02:45 PM\']
Giving people the opportunity to be several thousands up before they even begin misses the point and loses the possible drama entirely.
[/quote]
Understand, though, that the British version stands alone in the level of gravitas that they go for, similar to our version going to the level of Stupid Hokey Obnoxious Contestant.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on May 30, 2008, 12:59:03 AM: http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9759/picardbv6rw9.jpg (http://\"http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9759/picardbv6rw9.jpg\")

/reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson when he wrote for ESPN
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: J.R. on May 30, 2008, 01:18:26 AM: The random capitalization added that special touch to the migraine.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Craig Karlberg on May 30, 2008, 04:19:34 AM: Even though the money tree is still top-heavvy, it's more bakanced. Having a $2,500 & a $7,500 case certainly offsets leaving out the $75 & $750 ones, but it gives the Banker more room to be a little more stingy with the offers.

The 5-5-4-2-2-1-1 format is gonna take awhile to adjust. I'm not sure if that can be accomplished in a daily strip.

The Deal Wheel will ACTUALLY have a purpose here. Even though the selection is random, it'll still be more useful than just a sweeps stunt. The idea that each player stays on for a week harkens back to the days of Jackpot! where every contestant stayed all week. Being our work force takes shorter vacations probably spurned that idea.

The only questions now are its debut date, my NBC affiliate's time slot & proper marketing.

Other than that, bring it on! DEAL OR NO DEAL!
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Brig Bother on May 30, 2008, 06:34:08 AM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187021\' date=\'May 29 2008, 10:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187020\' date=\'May 29 2008, 02:45 PM\']
Giving people the opportunity to be several thousands up before they even begin misses the point and loses the possible drama entirely.
[/quote]
Understand, though, that the British version stands alone in the level of gravitas that they go for, similar to our version going to the level of Stupid Hokey Obnoxious Contestant.
[/quote]

Not at all, see also the French, Spanish and Italian versions which may give the impression of having a lighter touch (and don't assume UK Deal is all gravitas, the first half hour is usually understatedly comical) but have the same amount of tears and tantrums from various parties before the end of the show. More so, in some cases.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on May 30, 2008, 11:34:46 AM: [quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187069\' date=\'May 30 2008, 03:34 AM\']
(and don't assume UK Deal is all gravitas,[/quote]Similarly, don't assume that I haven't seen the show before.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: tvwxman on May 30, 2008, 11:37:18 AM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187078\' date=\'May 30 2008, 11:34 AM\']
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187069\' date=\'May 30 2008, 03:34 AM\']
(and don't assume UK Deal is all gravitas,[/quote]Similarly, don't assume that I haven't seen the show before.
[/quote]
Really? For as harsh as we all tend to be with the US version, your fears about the game being unwatchable would be put to rest after one ep of theirs. Seriously.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on May 30, 2008, 11:56:49 AM: [quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'187079\' date=\'May 30 2008, 08:37 AM\']
Really? For as harsh as we all tend to be with the US version, your fears about the game being unwatchable would be put to rest after one ep of theirs. Seriously.[/quote]
So wait, because I didn't jump to my feet and say "OMG THE BRIT SHOW IS THE BEST EVAR LOLWTFBBQ!!!!111!!!", I'm lying when I say I've seen it?

I've seen it. Overblown melodrama for people doing nothing more mentally taxing than picking numbers doesn't do it for me. The Australian version keeps it light, keeps it moving, and keeps it fun. That's the Deal I wanna see.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: tvwxman on May 30, 2008, 12:03:42 PM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187080\' date=\'May 30 2008, 11:56 AM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'187079\' date=\'May 30 2008, 08:37 AM\']
Really? For as harsh as we all tend to be with the US version, your fears about the game being unwatchable would be put to rest after one ep of theirs. Seriously.[/quote]
So wait, because I didn't jump to my feet and say "OMG THE BRIT SHOW IS THE BEST EVAR LOLWTFBBQ!!!!111!!!", I'm lying when I say I've seen it?

I've seen it. Overblown melodrama for people doing nothing more mentally taxing than picking numbers doesn't do it for me. The Australian version keeps it light, keeps it moving, and keeps it fun. That's the Deal I wanna see.
[/quote]
My bad. I completely misread it, and thought that you had NOT seen it. Apologies.

You did stumble upon my basic issue with the game itself: There is no game. You pick a number and hope you've won a lot of money. The fact that the UK version adds the psychological drama makes it 'much' more watchable to me. But , your mileage may vary.

/Peace out.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on May 30, 2008, 01:02:08 PM: [quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'187081\' date=\'May 30 2008, 09:03 AM\']
The fact that the UK version adds the psychological drama makes it 'much' more watchable to me. But , your mileage may vary.[/quote]
I'm not disagreeing. It's absolutely *more* watchable. I just have a problem with taking the lack of game so seriously.

Put me in a room with three TVs, one showing the UK Deal, one showing the Aussie Deal, and one showing the US Deal, and here are the three scenarios that occur:

1) I watch the Aussie Deal.
2) If that TV breaks, I watch the UK Deal.
3) If *that* TV breaks, I start looking for a rusty butter knife to plunge into my temple.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: tvwxman on May 30, 2008, 01:41:52 PM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187089\' date=\'May 30 2008, 01:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'187081\' date=\'May 30 2008, 09:03 AM\']
The fact that the UK version adds the psychological drama makes it 'much' more watchable to me. But , your mileage may vary.[/quote]
I'm not disagreeing. It's absolutely *more* watchable. I just have a problem with taking the lack of game so seriously.

Put me in a room with three TVs, one showing the UK Deal, one showing the Aussie Deal, and one showing the US Deal, and here are the three scenarios that occur:

1) I watch the Aussie Deal.
2) If that TV breaks, I watch the UK Deal.
3) If *that* TV breaks, I start looking for a rusty butter knife to plunge into my temple.
[/quote]
Other than reversing the first two, 'yes', we're in agreement. :)
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Joe Mello on May 30, 2008, 02:56:58 PM: Buzzer and Hollywood Junket (http://\"http://buzzerblog.flashgameshows.com/buzzerblog-hollywood-junket-exclusive-syndie-deal-or-no-deal/\") have the tree and some other gameplay info.

Not bad, I'd say.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: J.R. on May 30, 2008, 03:07:28 PM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187080\' date=\'May 30 2008, 10:56 AM\']I've seen it. Overblown melodrama for people doing nothing more mentally taxing than picking numbers doesn't do it for me. The Australian version keeps it light, keeps it moving, and keeps it fun. That's the Deal I wanna see.[/quote]
I agree with this. While I enjoy both versions equally, I usually find myself downloading Aussie Deal more often than the UK one.

The UK version very much acts like the fate of humanity rests with what is in the contestant's box. The wrong move will bring harsh condemnation from the host. ("You've blown the opportunity at thousands and made a cowardly horrible deal" Yes, I've really heard that.)

But, if nothing else, I really enjoy the family atmosphere of the UK show. There is a camaraderie among the contestants waiting to play that is really wonderful to watch sometimes. (But, even that can get a little sappy too)
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Casey Buck on May 30, 2008, 03:09:48 PM: If you don't want to go to the link, here's the board layout:

$0.01 $1,000
$1 $2,500
$5 $5,000
$10 $7,500
$25 $10,000
$50 $25,000
$100 $50,000
$200 $75,000
$300 $100,000
$400 $250,000
$500 $500,000
I think it's pretty good, it's more balanced, and much less top-heavy than the current board.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Brig Bother on May 30, 2008, 03:48:43 PM: Five days and out? What's the point in that, then?

If you can't do something properly because of filming schedules or whatever then modify the format so each episode is self-contained, don't somehow become the worst of both worlds.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: J.R. on May 30, 2008, 03:58:11 PM: [quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187106\' date=\'May 30 2008, 02:48 PM\']Five days and out? What's the point in that, then?[/quote]
Buzzerblog also mentioned that those who are not selected in a week are put back into the contestant pool and may be given another opportunity.

There could also be an issue with work schedules as well.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: tvwxman on May 30, 2008, 04:05:29 PM: [quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187106\' date=\'May 30 2008, 03:48 PM\']
Five days and out? What's the point in that, then?

If you can't do something properly because of filming schedules or whatever then modify the format so each episode is self-contained, don't somehow become the worst of both worlds.
[/quote]

On one hand, that does suck, becuase you know they're simply going to use LA people to fill the contestant pool, because they'll be able to get there on a few days notice. Anyone watching, thinking that they have a legitimate shot at being a contestant, is foolish.

On the other hand, this is a pure luck-based game. The game isn't a reward for answering trivia questions, doing good deeds, or pricing shoe polish. So, with that in mind, if 22 players go on for a week, and only 5 actually play, then good. It should be pure luck all the way through.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Brig Bother on May 30, 2008, 04:07:04 PM: [quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'187111\' date=\'May 30 2008, 08:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187106\' date=\'May 30 2008, 02:48 PM\']Five days and out? What's the point in that, then?[/quote]
Buzzerblog also mentioned that those who are not selected in a week are put back into the contestant pool and may be given another opportunity.

There could also be an issue with work schedules as well.
[/quote]

I understand both of those things (although goodness knows work commmitments are seen as legitmate risk elesewhere in the world) but it still misses the point entirely. The idea of the communal fluid contestant pool is that there's a group dynamic and you get to know the players before their game is played. In just having players for five days, for 22 minutes, it's going to be very difficult to care. And if that's the case, why not just use the Aussie model? The Norwegians can use a US-style set and play a Miljeonenjacht-esque elimination game, there's no reason why you couldn't either.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: J.R. on May 30, 2008, 04:30:48 PM: [quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'187113\' date=\'May 30 2008, 03:07 PM\']I understand both of those things (although goodness knows work commmitments are seen as legitmate risk elesewhere in the world) but it still misses the point entirely. The idea of the communal fluid contestant pool is that there's a group dynamic and you get to know the players before their game is played. In just having players for five days, for 22 minutes, it's going to be very difficult to care. And if that's the case, why not just use the Aussie model? The Norwegians can use a US-style set and play a Miljeonenjacht-esque elimination game, there's no reason why you couldn't either.[/quote]
You do raise some good points, the whole "getting to know the contestants inside and out" angle is another thing I enjoy about the UK version.

I would love to see the show adopt the Aussie format myself. It's really the best way to play quickie DoND with a half-hour slot.

While were at it, maybe get Andrew O'Keefe to cross the Pacific too? :-)

/BOOYEAH!
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: TLEberle on May 31, 2008, 02:26:42 AM: [quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'187101\' date=\'May 30 2008, 12:07 PM\']The UK version very much acts like the fate of humanity rests with what is in the contestant's box. The wrong move will bring harsh condemnation from the host. ("You've blown the opportunity at thousands and made a cowardly horrible deal" Yes, I've really heard that.)[/quote]Similarly, one of the things I dislike about Deal From Noel's Basement is that they go on about fate, and Cosmic Ordering, and what have you, and it's all picking numbers. I suppose if they want to go on about superstition, that's their dime, but when they propagate the Gambler's Fallacy, it really boils my meat.

Conversely, I like it when Andrew runs down the possibilities of continuing to play. ("If you leave the $100,000 AND the $50,000 on the board, the offer should approach $25,000. Leave one and the offer goes to $20,000. Remove both and you're playing for bus fare and a Megaguess.") He treats the game as what it is: an exercise in playing of odds, and pure luck.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: TravisP on June 01, 2008, 04:29:05 AM: [quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'187139\' date=\'May 31 2008, 01:26 AM\']
Conversely, I like it when Andrew runs down the possibilities of continuing to play. ("If you leave the $100,000 AND the $50,000 on the board, the offer should approach $25,000. Leave one and the offer goes to $20,000. Remove both and you're playing for bus fare and a Megaguess.") He treats the game as what it is: an exercise in playing of odds, and pure luck.
[/quote]

We are now adapting this tactic in some form over here. It's been noticed in the last few weeks The Banker would ring up, telling the contestant what the next offer is, if he/she plays on and keep or lose the larger amounts. In addition, we have now adopted the Aussie's "Second Chance" feature, where a player can give back their deal and open their box. We're calling it "The Banker's Gamble".
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: vtown7 on June 01, 2008, 10:09:36 AM: Is the offer that Andrew makes on Aussie Deal rooted in probability (ie. approaching some kind of arithmetic mean) or is it being fed to him?

It seems in watching that he is speculating, and that this new tactic of Noel's version is that they actually know what the offer is.

Clarification anyone?

R.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: rebelwrest on June 01, 2008, 01:43:14 PM: [quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'187139\' date=\'May 31 2008, 02:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'187101\' date=\'May 30 2008, 12:07 PM\']The UK version very much acts like the fate of humanity rests with what is in the contestant's box. The wrong move will bring harsh condemnation from the host. ("You've blown the opportunity at thousands and made a cowardly horrible deal" Yes, I've really heard that.)[/quote]Similarly, one of the things I dislike about Deal From Noel's Basement is that they go on about fate, and Cosmic Ordering, and what have you, and it's all picking numbers. I suppose if they want to go on about superstition, that's their dime, but when they propagate the Gambler's Fallacy, it really boils my meat.

Conversely, I like it when Andrew runs down the possibilities of continuing to play. ("If you leave the $100,000 AND the $50,000 on the board, the offer should approach $25,000. Leave one and the offer goes to $20,000. Remove both and you're playing for bus fare and a Megaguess.") He treats the game as what it is: an exercise in playing of odds, and pure luck.
[/quote]

But we also have to remember that the Aussie offers are close to the average, so Andrew can probably do the math in his head, whereas, Noel can't do it because the offers on the UK have a lot more variables in play (past offers, how the contestant compose themself), and they take 3 amounts off the board in each round. Also, the offers are rarely near the mean. So the odds are there, but the offers, well that is one way we play along at home (trying to predict the offers).
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: clemon79 on June 01, 2008, 01:53:12 PM: [quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'187207\' date=\'Jun 1 2008, 10:43 AM\']
So the odds are there, but the offers, well that is the one way we play along at home (trying to predict the offers).[/quote]
There, fixed that for you.
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: Speedy G on June 01, 2008, 06:21:02 PM: [quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'187208\' date=\'Jun 1 2008, 01:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'187207\' date=\'Jun 1 2008, 10:43 AM\']
So the odds are there, but the offers, well that is the one way we play along at home (trying to predict the offers).[/quote]
There, fixed that for you.
[/quote]
I beg to differ.

Drink or No Drink is another fine play-at-home game.

/Fist bump: one drink
//Anything annoying enough to make present company say "oh my god": two drinks
///Contestant makes a risk-averse decision: bottoms up
Title: Deal in the Daytime
Post by: weaklink75 on June 01, 2008, 07:00:09 PM: You also have to remember the scale of money involved- In the UK the top prize is 8-10 years salary for the average person (about 25,000 pounds on average), in Australia it's only 3-4 years salary (average is about 50,000 Australian dollars), so it's a nice bonus in Australila, but a huge amount in the UK...