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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: clanky06 on May 15, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
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There's another thread about reference books for game show writers. It goes without saying that they should be referred to and cross-checked. Apparently, this principle has not always been followed, since there have been a number of cases of wrong answers from the writers. Here are a couple, both from Ralph Andrews Productions:
The final question on one of the episodes of Celebrity Sweepstakes (during their final run on NBC) was "Which president first installed a bathtub in the White House?" Only Alan Sues knew the "correct" answer was Millard Fillmore. However this was a fiction penned by H. L. Mencken. Read one account here (http://\"http://sniggle.net/bathtub.php\").
On 50 Grand Slam the category was musical theater and one question was (in effect) "Who wrote Silk Stockings? The contestant answered "Cole Porter," and Tom Kennedy said, "I'm sorry, that's wrong. The correct answer is "George Gershwin." You should have seen the look on the contestant's face! After the next break, Tom announced that he was indeed correct, and because of his "loss of concentration," restored all his lost points. I later asked one of the Andrews staff how something like this could have happened; he shrugged and said that "it just happened."
Incidentally, here's a behind-the-scenes tidbit for those who might be interested. I got to talking with an NBC S&P person named Janet during one of the lengthly contestant pool "waiting periods," and she said that the most difficult contestants she had to deal with were on 50 Grand Slam, while the nicest, most pleasurable ones were on Name That Tune.
Any other notable writers' answer errors come to mind?
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If I understand the question right...the "Sylvester" incident on Press Your Luck.
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I distinctly recall a J! TOC claiming that Richard Nixon was the youngest Vice-President ever.
(If memory serves, everybody went for the even more wrong Theodore Roosevelt.)
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I have an episode of The Joker's Wild '90 where a contestant was asked to define "The B-52s". The contestant answered "a rock group from the '70s", and was ruled incorrect. Pat mentioned that the "'70s" part was what cost him.
The B-52s may be more famous for their late '80s output, but they formed in the mid-70s. They released their first album in 1979.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'186117\' date=\'May 15 2008, 10:07 PM\']
I have an episode of The Joker's Wild '90 where a contestant was asked to define "The B-52s". The contestant answered "a rock group from the '70s", and was ruled incorrect.
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Incorrect or not, I'd be interested to head what the actual wording of that question was, because I can't think of a phrasing that would elict the answer "a rock group from the '70s" that wouldn't be Widow-on-Dog-Eat-Dog-offensive.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'186119\' date=\'May 16 2008, 01:12 AM\']
Incorrect or not, I'd be interested to head what the actual wording of that question was, because I can't think of a phrasing that would elict the answer "a rock group from the '70s" that wouldn't be Widow-on-Dog-Eat-Dog-offensive.
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It was the early days of the definition format, and all Pat said was "The B-52s." No more, no less.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'186120\' date=\'May 15 2008, 10:28 PM\']
It was the early days of the definition format, and all Pat said was "The B-52s." No more, no less.
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Oh, THAT Joker's Wild. For some reason I had it in my head this was the Jack Barry one. (Clearly I are a poor reader.) All of this makes MUCH more sense now.
/oh, rain-BOWS....
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The most jaw-dropping one I ever saw (and I even have it on tape) was a children's show, possibly Pick Your Brain, where Marc Summers ruled the contestant wrong for saying Madrid was the capital of Spain. The show's answer was Barcelona, possibly confused because of the Olympics taking place around that time. They corrected themselves after a commercial break.
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On the only episode of "Trivia Trap" I've ever watched, a question was asked where the answer was Karen Lynn Gorney (the "Saturday Night Fever" actress).
Player buzzes in, and gives a completely different middle name for the actress.
Bob Eubanks checks with the judges, who rule the contestant CORRECT.
I quickly changed the channel.
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'186138\' date=\'May 16 2008, 09:13 AM\']
I quickly changed the channel.
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It took an incorrectly-ruled wrong answer to make you change from "Trivia Trap"? ;-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'186160\' date=\'May 16 2008, 02:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'186138\' date=\'May 16 2008, 09:13 AM\']
I quickly changed the channel.
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It took an incorrectly-ruled wrong answer to make you change from "Trivia Trap"? ;-)
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No matter how bad a show is, no matter the genre, I try to watch at least one episode in its entirety.
Yes, the show wasn't very good, but the Gorney incident was enough for me to change the channel without watching it in full.
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A friend of mine wrote for the Finn verson of TJW. He told me that a contestant's response for the answer Armaggeddon was "Dolly Parton song." Finn had lots of possible responses on his card but that wasn't one of them. So they had to stop tape while the staff made phone calls to verify the response. BTW, the contestant was correct.
A Shenanigans contestant playing Touch and Go was trying to idenify a turtle by touch and no sight eventually pulled off the little creatures legs. This episode is available on home video.
A WWTBAM question concerned the number of actors who have portrayed Batman in the movies. The writing staff forgot about Adam West and the Columbia serials of the Forties so the correct answer wasn't part of the multiple choice. The tape was edited and the question never aired. I read about this in the L.A. Times.
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This isn't quite the same thing, but I remember a Millionaire question that had two right answers -- they asked which show was a spin-off of a spin-off of All in the Family, and both Checking In (spun off from The Jeffersons) and Good Times (spun off from Maude) were among the choices. I forget exactly how it played out, but I'm pretty sure the contestant ended up picking whatever the staff had decided was the right answer.
/Coulda been more interesting...I don't think the contestant realized what had happened.
//Then again, if he had and he'd said something, the question probably would have been edited out.
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On Name That Tune a contestant answered A Paper of Pins for the final melody and was judged incorrect. However, he found a record titled just that in San Francisco and sent it in, and the producers resurrected the set and added a clip of him now being correct to the end of the show. A similar thing happened to Ed Toutant with that glowing tomato/potato question on WWTBAM. This show has had its share of "controversial" questions such as Al Gore being the model for Love Story and life first appearing on the earth 4 billion years ago, which many say is the age of the earth itself.
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[quote name=\'clanky06\' post=\'186188\' date=\'May 16 2008, 06:17 PM\']
...and life first appearing on the earth 4 billion years ago, which many say is the age of the earth itself.
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The key to that question was the word "approximately." Saying "approximately 4 billion years ago" gives you a swing either way of several million years. The earth could have been created about 4.3 billion years ago, and life could have appeared about 3.7 billion years ago. Both can be argued as being "approximately 4 billion years ago".
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the very first episode of Jeopardy in Italy wasn't aired because of a question about the national anthem.
For a Daily Double question, the host Mike Bongiorno read out a verse from the Italian anthem and asked where that verse was from.
The contestant quickly supplied the correct response but Mike just read from his written copy and said "I'm sorry, it was a Giosuč Carducci poem. Select again."
The crowd realized the mistake and booed, and some people stood on their seats in protest. The producer escaped the studio and nobody could locate him for the next couple days.
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[quote name=\'CeleTheRef\' post=\'186201\' date=\'May 17 2008, 03:18 AM\']
the very first episode of Jeopardy in Italy wasn't aired because of a question about the national anthem.
For a Daily Double question, the host Mike Bongiorno read out a verse from the Italian anthem and asked where that verse was from.
The contestant quickly supplied the correct response but Mike just read from his written copy and said "I'm sorry, it was a Giosuč Carducci poem. Select again."
The crowd realized the mistake and booed, and some people stood on their seats in protest. The producer escaped the studio and nobody could locate him for the next couple days.
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Sheesh. It seems the Italian Jeopardy has had a COUPLE controversial moments. Didn't you post a clip one time of a contestant cheating? Interesting stuff.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'186209\' date=\'May 17 2008, 04:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'CeleTheRef\' post=\'186201\' date=\'May 17 2008, 03:18 AM\']
the very first episode of Jeopardy in Italy wasn't aired because of a question about the national anthem.
For a Daily Double question, the host Mike Bongiorno read out a verse from the Italian anthem and asked where that verse was from.
The contestant quickly supplied the correct response but Mike just read from his written copy and said "I'm sorry, it was a Giosuč Carducci poem. Select again."
The crowd realized the mistake and booed, and some people stood on their seats in protest. The producer escaped the studio and nobody could locate him for the next couple days.
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Sheesh. It seems the Italian Jeopardy has had a COUPLE controversial moments. Didn't you post a clip one time of a contestant cheating? Interesting stuff.
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Sure, that clip can still be found searching youtube for "telemike", it should be the top entry. While we are at it, the opening from episode 1 is back up right here (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QL0sPj1fw\")
Mike was well aware of the USA gameshow scandals of the 50s and he always made sure that everything worked by the rules.
However, his famously poor sight sometimes caused him to accidentally misread a question or rule an answer incorrectly. Such slip-ups were never edited out because they were funny and people LOVED them.
A game judge was always ready to chime in whenever Mike messed up, and also kept a stack of backup questions handy, just in case.
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About the "cheating" clip, what exactly was on the piece of paper? I know having the piece of paper was bad enough, but did she have important notes on them? I thought it was funny how she tried to stuff it down her shirt.
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'186242\' date=\'May 17 2008, 10:59 PM\']
About the "cheating" clip, what exactly was on the piece of paper? I know having the piece of paper was bad enough, but did she have important notes on them? I thought it was funny how she tried to stuff it down her shirt.
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it was never revealed.
Since the final questions were about the contestant's subject of choice, I believe she wrote something about it, but there was a chance that nothing written there was actually helpful. But still, it was for about $80,000
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[quote name=\'CeleTheRef\' post=\'186244\' date=\'May 17 2008, 06:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'186242\' date=\'May 17 2008, 10:59 PM\']
About the "cheating" clip, what exactly was on the piece of paper? I know having the piece of paper was bad enough, but did she have important notes on them? I thought it was funny how she tried to stuff it down her shirt.
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it was never revealed.
Since the final questions were about the contestant's subject of choice, I believe she wrote something about it, but there was a chance that nothing written there was actually helpful. But still, it was for about $80,000
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Did she faint at the end? Overcome by the fact she was caught maybe?
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Mike handles such incidents by going on as if nothing happened. Once on Wheel of Fortune a contestant fainted right in the middle of the game. After a doctor came to take her away, Mike simply had the game continue with two contestants. (She was then invited to play another day)
Back on topic, here is a recent "Mike Moment". Mike misreads a question, the judge corrects him, but Mike takes it for the contestant's response and rules it wrong! The face on the judge's face is priceless!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dTpxu2Dwo (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dTpxu2Dwo\")
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There was an incident on Hot Potato during the bonus round where a trio of Coast Guardsmen were asked where Boot Hill cemetery was. (They had answered four straight questions, then passed on the next one, which they were allowed to do.) They were given a choice of Dodge City (Kansas) and Tombstone (Arizona), then they answered Tombstone and were called wrong, thus losing the $15,000 they were playing for. I was watching that show and had a feeling the show screwed up. I looked in my family's road atlas that was there at the time, and found out that yes, there was a Boot Hill in Dodge City, but there was also a Boot Hill in Tombstone as well, so the show did indeed screw up. Later, I called Barry & Enright, the show's production company, from a pay phone, and found out that they essentially knew about the mistake, and that host Bill Cullen would give an apology a few days later, but when the time came, or close to it, there appeared a message on one of those shows that said, "This week's shows are being aired out of sequence." NBC must have been embarrassed to air such a show. I told this story to Adam Nedeff in 2002 after seeing his tape collection list that included (as I noticed at the time) the mistake episode, and he was kind enough to send me that episode, and the show that had Cullen's subsequent apology.
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[quote name=\'mbclev\' post=\'186271\' date=\'May 18 2008, 11:55 AM\']
Later, I called Barry & Enright, the show's production company, from a pay phone, [/quote]
It was *that* important to you?
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Don't be surprised. Pro golf tournaments have had their results changed by viewers calling the networks and the USGA when they see rules violations that weren't called by the participants (often because they didn't know they were violating a rule). For example, one golfer was disqualified after putting down a towel to protect his pants legs when he had to play a difficult exit shot from his knees in a hazard. Under the rules, that's building a stance and a penalty stroke; he didn't include it in his total and was DQd
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'186292\' date=\'May 18 2008, 04:31 PM\']
Don't be surprised. Pro golf tournaments have had their results changed by viewers calling the networks and the USGA when they see rules violations that weren't called by the participants (often because they didn't know they were violating a rule).[/quote]
"Surprised" wasn't my reaction. "Very, very frightened" was.
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C'mon. Surely we've all, at one time or another, called a production company from a pay phone to complain about the validity of an answer. Of course, by "production company" I mean "former co-worker" and by "complain about the validity of an answer" I mean "make sexually-suggestive comments with a disguised voice."
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'186300\' date=\'May 18 2008, 09:01 PM\']
C'mon. Surely we've all, at one time or another, called a production company from a pay phone to complain about the validity of an answer. Of course, by "production company" I mean "former co-worker" and by "complain about the validity of an answer" I mean "make sexually-suggestive comments with a disguised voice."
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Dale wins another internet. What does that put him up to now? 5 internetz? 6?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'186301\' date=\'May 18 2008, 09:11 PM\']
Dale wins another internet. What does that put him up to now? 5 internetz? 6?[/quote]
Seconded. Bravo. Bravissimo. :)
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This is mentioned in one of the Jeopardy! books, but I recall watching it and being aware of the errors. First, they had a clue about the St. Louis Globe-Democrat having ceased publication. Trouble is, by the time the show aired, it had resumed publication. So, in their OOPS! category, they mentioned that it had resumed publication. Trouble is, by the time that show aired, it had folded. I think they ran another clue mentioning this fact. Fortunately for them, this time it was gone for good.