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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jay Temple on October 09, 2003, 11:50:11 AM
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You may have read by now that GE has merged with Vivendi Universal to become NBC Universal. If you noted that information, then you probably also know that GE owns NBC. I read in an article on the merger that one of Vivendi's holdings is the USA Network. The USA Network has at various times included game shows in its line up. (The last two that I know of are \"Smush,\" which I heard was terrible, and \"Strip Poker,\" which I saw firsthand was terrible.) So, there is at least a faint hope that NBC, which has not let GSN air Scrabble, Concentration or any number of other favorites, might possibly put some of those shows on one of its new sister channels! Mind you, I have heard nothing of any plans to do so; I'm just saying there's a glimmer of hope.
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No chance. Universal has enough movies in its backlog to supply USA into the next millenium.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 10:50 AM\'] You may have read by now that GE has merged with Vivendi Universal to become NBC Universal. If you noted that information, then you probably also know that GE owns NBC. I read in an article on the merger that one of Vivendi's holdings is the USA Network. The USA Network has at various times included game shows in its line up. (The last two that I know of are "Smush," which I heard was terrible, and "Strip Poker," which I saw firsthand was terrible.) So, there is at least a faint hope that NBC, which has not let GSN air Scrabble, Concentration or any number of other favorites, might possibly put some of those shows on one of its new sister channels! Mind you, I have heard nothing of any plans to do so; I'm just saying there's a glimmer of hope. [/quote]
Freemantle is holding Scrabble back, not NBC.
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NBC is probably going to treat USA like the stepchild: \"repurposing\" all of those *great* NBC hits (such as \"Coupling\" and \"Whoopi\") for us ad nauseum.
Think of it as NBC Lite...
JOSH
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 12:29 PM\'] NBC is probably going to treat USA like the stepchild: "repurposing" all of those *great* NBC hits (such as "Coupling" and "Whoopi") for us ad nauseum.
Think of it as NBC Lite... [/quote]
Random thought: With NBC and USA joining forces, I shouldn't count on looking for Monk reruns on ABC anymore.
ObGameShow: From what I've heard of Dick Clark's recent creations, let's hope American Dreams stays around for a while.
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 12:29 PM\']NBC is probably going to treat USA like the stepchild: \"repurposing\" all of those *great* NBC hits (such as \"Coupling\" and \"Whoopi\") for us ad nauseum.
Think of it as NBC Lite...[/quote]
\"Coupling\"'s already being repurposed on Bravo.
And to take care of another post, \"Monk\"'s produced by Disney/Touchstone, so that one could go either way.
For my part--on to stay on topic--I predict \"Fear Factor\" repeats at 7 and 11 p.m. weeknights on USA starting September 2004. NBC owns the syndication rights and they now own the cable network to put the show on.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 02:56 PM\'] And to take care of another post, "Monk"'s produced by Disney/Touchstone, so that one could go either way. [/quote]
Ah, that would account for why Monk turned up on ABC in the first place. Mea culpa.
For my part--on to stay on topic--I predict \"Fear Factor\" repeats at 7 and 11 p.m. weeknights on USA starting September 2004. NBC owns the syndication rights and they now own the cable network to put the show on.
It doesn't necessarily have to be USA. NBC Universal is planning new channels. Let's hope they make one exclusively for Fear Factor and another just for Coupling so I don't have to worry about ever accidently exposing myself to one of those raunchy shows.
ObGameShow: I'd rather watch MG98 than those two!
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 10:50 AM\'] You may have read by now that GE has merged with Vivendi Universal to become NBC Universal. If you noted that information, then you probably also know that GE owns NBC. I read in an article on the merger that one of Vivendi's holdings is the USA Network. The USA Network has at various times included game shows in its line up. (The last two that I know of are \"Smush,\" which I heard was terrible, and \"Strip Poker,\" which I saw firsthand was terrible.) So, there is at least a faint hope that NBC, which has not let GSN air Scrabble, Concentration or any number of other favorites, might possibly put some of those shows on one of its new sister channels! Mind you, I have heard nothing of any plans to do so; I'm just saying there's a glimmer of hope. [/quote]
Smush was actually decent. Ober knew what he was doing, and the concept itself was very imaginative, and I'm sorry to say it didn't work. But I rather see that, or the crappy 90's USA shows than Fear Factor or Coupling.
O/T: The South Bend Affiliate WNDU has stopped showing Coupling on thursdays and replaced it with Spin City.
-Dave
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 09:51 PM\'] It doesn't necessarily have to be USA. NBC Universal is planning new channels. [/quote]
This is potentially even better news. Can you say GSNBC?
Edit: Oh, and I'm fully aware that they couldn't really call it that without running into a huge lawsuit from GSN. That was just a quick way of describing the concept.
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[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 11:10 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 10:50 AM\'] You may have read by now that GE has merged with Vivendi Universal to become NBC Universal. If you noted that information, then you probably also know that GE owns NBC. I read in an article on the merger that one of Vivendi's holdings is the USA Network. The USA Network has at various times included game shows in its line up. (The last two that I know of are "Smush," which I heard was terrible, and "Strip Poker," which I saw firsthand was terrible.) So, there is at least a faint hope that NBC, which has not let GSN air Scrabble, Concentration or any number of other favorites, might possibly put some of those shows on one of its new sister channels! Mind you, I have heard nothing of any plans to do so; I'm just saying there's a glimmer of hope. [/quote]
Smush was actually decent. Ober knew what he was doing, and the concept itself was very imaginative, and I'm sorry to say it didn't work. But I rather see that, or the crappy 90's USA shows than Fear Factor or Coupling.
O/T: The South Bend Affiliate WNDU has stopped showing Coupling on thursdays and replaced it with Spin City.
-Dave [/quote]
:O *shocked* What! You mean you didn't like Quicksilver!? :)
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[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' date=\'Oct 9 2003, 11:10 PM\'] O/T: The South Bend Affiliate WNDU has stopped showing Coupling on thursdays and replaced it with Spin City. [/quote]
\"Stopped\" showing it? They never have shown it at all. ND is a Catholic universaity with strict moral values, and Coupling goes too far.
And don't bet on a GSNBC. GSN is treading water as it is, and NBC doesn't give a [BLANK] about viewers 50 and over. Concentration won't work in this day and age.
ObGameShows: WOOD TV-8 (then WOTV) never showed Card Sharks. I had to watch it on WILX-10.
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Corporate synergy is a myth. The companies become too large and stretched too far that they can't even focus as well on the things they did separately.
Besides, most of the business units in a corporation are usually run separately. So if for example Law and Order got a better offer from CBS, it would go there. (I know L&O just reupped with a longterm deal. It's just an example)
Things are much easier to lose in a one big corporation than several smaller ones and things are much more likely to get buried and lost. Including game show formats and libraries.
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Also in the NBC/Universal stable of cable networks is Trio...if they were going to rerun any game shows, I have to think they'd go there.
Unfortunately, Trio is nowhere near as widely distributed as GSN is.
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ObGameShows: WOOD TV-8 (then WOTV) never showed Card Sharks.
How ironic, considering who announced it. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")
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Channel 8 may not have carried CS, but CBS affil Channel 3 showed the reruns at 4:30 in 83-84, right after \"Tattletales.\" In essence, the shows were first run.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 08:52 PM\']Channel 8 may not have carried CS, but CBS affil Channel 3 showed the reruns at 4:30 in 83-84, right after \"Tattletales.\" In essence, the shows were first run.[/quote]
Wasn't it a similar situation in Philadelphia as well--in that KYW didn't bother airing CS in first run but grabbed the package of reruns? I remember taking a trip to Atlantic City in 1984 and watching a 1979 CS episode (too young to enter the casino ;) -- but at least I wasn't too young to sit in the audience to see Don Rickles later that night).
As far as I recall, KYW for the most part never or rarely aired $otC either (and considering Jim Perry was a Philadelphia-area native, that had to be a slight slap in the you-know-where). Perhaps I'm mistaken, though.
Doug
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As far as I recall, KYW for the most part never or rarely aired $otC either (and considering Jim Perry was a Philadelphia-area native, that had to be a slight slap in the you-know-where).
I didn't know Jim Perry was an American, considering that he hosted a few Canadian game shows in the 1970s and 1980s (especially \"Definition\").
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:16 PM\']
Wasn't it a similar situation in Philadelphia as well--in that KYW didn't bother airing CS in first run but grabbed the package of reruns? I remember taking a trip to Atlantic City in 1984 and watching a 1979 CS episode (too young to enter the casino ;) -- but at least I wasn't too young to sit in the audience to see Don Rickles later that night).
As far as I recall, KYW for the most part never or rarely aired $otC either (and considering Jim Perry was a Philadelphia-area native, that had to be a slight slap in the you-know-where). Perhaps I'm mistaken, though.
Doug [/quote]
KYW didn't air the latter half of CS's run IIRC. THe reruns aired at 11:30AM from Summer 1982-April 1983(they aired it instead of Hit Man). Then KYW decided to pick up Dream House, and CS reruns moved to 12:30PM from April 1983-September 1984(replacing Search for Tomorrow).
$otC only aired in Philly from Jan-Sep 1985 weekdays at 3PM, and they never aired the syndie version.
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'Oct 10 2003, 09:27 PM\']I didn't know Jim Perry was an American, considering that he hosted a few Canadian game shows in the 1970s and 1980s (especially \"Definition\").[/quote]
According to some various Usenet posts, Jim was born in Camden, NJ (just outside of Philadelphia)--although his family is from Canada (Nova Scotia, to be exact). Supposedly he and I share the same birthday (which is coming up in exactly 31 days [Central time]).
I do recall him making several references during his tenure on CS and even occasionally on $otC of Philadelphia being his \"hometown.\" One thing I didn't know was that he was a weekend/swing shift DJ at 77 WABC in 1973 (and moved on to Canada and DEFINITION from that gig)--I saw this on Allan Sniffen's excellent WABC tribute site (I only wish I had the wherewithall to do for WLS in Chicago what Allan's done for WABC). But I digress.
Doug -- GO CUBBIES!!!
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 11 2003, 12:21 AM\'] Doug -- GO CUBBIES!!! [/quote]
Only 1 more Win, and it's off to the World Series! First time in about 60 years, give or take (Back before the NLCS and NLDS were started)
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 06:03 AM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 11 2003, 12:21 AM\'] Doug -- GO CUBBIES!!! [/quote]
Only 1 more Win, and it's off to the World Series! First time in about 60 years, give or take (Back before the NLCS and NLDS were started) [/quote]
Shhh! Not so loud. Don't want to awaken the ghosts of Leon Durham and 1969.
I've seen enough Chicago collapses in my lifetime. Here's hoping (but not counting on) that I don't see another one now.
ObGameShow: You know, one of the sons of a certain MC used to play for the Cubbies (shame one of many episodes where he referenced it will most likely never see the light of day on GSN again).
Doug
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I do recall him making several references during his tenure on CS and even occasionally on $otC of Philadelphia being his "hometown." One thing I didn't know was that he was a weekend/swing shift DJ at 77 WABC in 1973 (and moved on to Canada and DEFINITION from that gig)--
Jim was taping shows in Canada from the early '60s on, when CTV started up. He hosted one of CTV's first game shows, the Canadian version of "Fractured Phrases" in 1961. He also hosted the "Miss Canada Pageant" and "Eye Bet" before "Definition" came along. While he was doing "Definition", he also hosted a once-a-week evening show "Headline Hunters".
During the years he was hosting "Card Sharks" and "Sale" on NBC, he'd fly to Toronto during the weekends to tape "Definition", which ran until 1989.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Oct 14 2003, 08:45 AM\']Jim was taping shows in Canada from the early '60s on, when CTV started up. He hosted one of CTV's first game shows, the Canadian version of "Fractured Phrases" in 1961. He also hosted the "Miss Canada Pageant" and "Eye Bet" before "Definition" came along. While he was doing "Definition", he also hosted a once-a-week evening show "Headline Hunters".
During the years he was hosting "Card Sharks" and "Sale" on NBC, he'd fly to Toronto during the weekends to tape "Definition", which ran until 1989.[/quote]
That's right. I completely forgot about those other shows he did (and a quick check of the EOTVGS would have served me well in that instance). I was going by Allan Sniffen's WABC chronicle, which in spite of that omission is still pretty dang good.
Sniffen himself has lamented that he doesn't have an aircheck of Perry at WABC. That would be real cool to hear if one would ever surface (while the DJ page shows that Perry was there in 1973, other pages on the site show that he worked there in 1970-71 as well--in case you radio collectors need to check your archives ;) ).
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 10:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 06:03 AM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 11 2003, 12:21 AM\'] Doug -- GO CUBBIES!!! [/quote]
Only 1 more Win, and it's off to the World Series! First time in about 60 years, give or take (Back before the NLCS and NLDS were started) [/quote]
Shhh! Not so loud. Don't want to awaken the ghosts of Leon Durham and 1969.
I've seen enough Chicago collapses in my lifetime. Here's hoping (but not counting on) that I don't see another one now. [/quote]
See? You awakened the ghost of Leon Durham (how else do you explain Alex Gonzalez's inability to pick up a [basically] routine grounder). The idiot fan was also sent up from the depths of 1969 as well. So I'll be bold and predict that the 95-year curse will continue after Florida wins tomorrow night.
Sorry I took this waaaay off-topic.
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 14 2003, 10:03 PM\'] See? You awakened the ghost of Leon Durham (how else do you explain Alex Gonzalez's inability to pick up a [basically] routine grounder). The idiot fan was also sent up from the depths of 1969 as well. So I'll be bold and predict that the 95-year curse will continue after Florida wins tomorrow night. [/quote]
Everybody (Fox in particular) would looooooove to see a Cubs-Red Sox World Series, but it looks more and more like it'll be Yankees-Marlins. If that's how it plays out, the Yankees will win in four games and kill all of Fox's ratings momentum until The Next Joe Millionaire's final few weeks.
ObGameShows: If Fox had not cancelled Greed in 2000, it would still be on the schedule now! Boston Public was getting less than half of Greed's ratings when baseball moved in. Forget the Curse of the Bambino; Fox's Friday night lineup is haunted by the Curse of Chuck Woolery.
ObYankees: Despite MLB's attempt to level the playing field with that new labor agreement, George Steinbrenner knows the system is beatable. ObGameShowsAgain: He's the Michael Larson of baseball.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 10:00 PM\'] .
ObGameShow: You know, one of the sons of a certain MC used to play for the Cubbies (shame one of many episodes where he referenced it will most likely never see the light of day on GSN again).
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MoreObgameshow: The end-of-show goodbye segment on last weekend's(I think Sunday's) 1988 GSN WOF rerun featured Chicago boy Pat mentioning about the Cubbie's last World Series appearance being 43 years ago(at that time) and their last win being 80 years ago(at that time)
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 10:00 PM\'] You know, one of the sons of a certain MC used to play for the Cubbies (shame one of many episodes where he referenced it will most likely never see the light of day on GSN again).
Doug [/quote]
Clue me in. Who is it?
Related trivia: Which father and son (Sr. and Jr.) are a former game show host and the current GM of a baseball team? (Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that's exactly who you're talking about ...)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 15 2003, 12:06 PM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Oct 12 2003, 10:00 PM\'] You know, one of the sons of a certain MC used to play for the Cubbies (shame one of many episodes where he referenced it will most likely never see the light of day on GSN again).
Doug [/quote]
Clue me in. Who is it?
Related trivia: Which father and son (Sr. and Jr.) are a former game show host and the current GM of a baseball team? (Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that's exactly who you're talking about ...) [/quote]
If memory serves, you're thinking of the Garagiolas (Joe Jr. currently the VP/GM of the Arizona Diamondbacks, where Joe Sr. worked a few games as Thom Brennaman's broadcast partner this past season).
But the host I referenced in my "ObGameShow" was Peter Marshall, and his son Pete LaCock played for the Cubs in the early 1970s. Marshall referred to his son and his baseball exploits on numerous occasions throughout HSq's run.
Doug
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Correctamundo! Of course, I intentionally left out the fact that Joe, Sr., was a ballplayer before he was a game show host. He has a World Series ring as a 1946 Cardinal. I seem to recall hearing that one of the 2001 games set a World Series record for hits that was previously held by the 1946 Cardinals.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Oct 16 2003, 10:47 AM\']Correctamundo! Of course, I intentionally left out the fact that Joe, Sr., was a ballplayer before he was a game show host. He has a World Series ring as a 1946 Cardinal. I seem to recall hearing that one of the 2001 games set a World Series record for hits that was previously held by the 1946 Cardinals.[/quote]
Of course, Joe will always point out that he spent the 1946 World Series catching in the bullpen.
As a game show host, Joe was never the slickest in the world, but he was always one of the most likeable and unpretentious (as he is in anything he does). "Strike It Rich" '86 might've been totally unbearable with someone other than Joe hosting (and yes, I mean Michael Barrymore of the British version, although I can see that the mums might've been fond of him).