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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TimK2003 on April 24, 2008, 10:09:40 PM
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Per Stu Shostak's Web Newsletter:
May 14 - Legendary game show host TOM KENNEDY will discuss "You Don't Say", "Split Second", "Name That Tune", "Password Plus", "The Price is Right", and the rest of his long career. Tom rarely grants interviews these days, but it turns out that he's a big fan of the show, so we are extremely grateful that he has consented to appear live with us!
For those not familiar with Stu's Show, this will be a LIVE call-in/interview show airing Wednesday May 14th from 7-9PM Eastern, 4-6PM Pacific.
Hear it on shokusradio.com
Call in at 1-888-SHOKUS 5.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'184795\' date=\'Apr 24 2008, 07:09 PM\']
Per Stu Shostak's Web Newsletter:
May 14 - Legendary game show host TOM KENNEDY will discuss "You Don't Say", "Split Second", "Name That Tune", "Password Plus", "The Price is Right", and the rest of his long career. Tom rarely grants interviews these days, but it turns out that he's a big fan of the show, so we are extremely grateful that he has consented to appear live with us!
For those not familiar with Stu's Show, this will be a LIVE call-in/interview show airing Wednesday May 14th from 7-9PM Eastern, 4-6PM Pacific.
Hear it on shokusradio.com
Call in at 1-888-SHOKUS 5.
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I like the show already, but this makes it even better! TK was always my favorite host. I'll have to think of a good question so that I can try calling in.
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Just a reminder, you have the opportunity to chat LIVE with Jim Narz, aka Tom Kennedy, Tomorrow (Wednesday) from 7-9p ET/4-6p PT on Stu's Show!!!
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'184795\' date=\'Apr 24 2008, 10:09 PM\']
Tom rarely grants interviews these days, but it turns out that he's a big fan of the show, so we are extremely grateful that he has consented to appear live with us!
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Spending 5 minutes on the phone with TK was really, really great. A great 2 hours that I recommend checking out over the course of the next week.
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I only caught the last 15 minutes (tuned in during tvwxman's call!) but what I heard was great. Tom's voice and sense of humor belies his age; he sounds just like he did on WordPlay.
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Stu had said at one point this show had broken the record for the most listeners!
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
I hope Tom will return to the show in the near-future as 2 hours was not enough!
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 09:48 AM\']
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
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That's a good guess. I couldn't for the life of me figure out which show it was....
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186053\' date=\'May 15 2008, 10:00 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 09:48 AM\']From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.[/quote]That's a good guess. I couldn't for the life of me figure out which show it was....[/quote]
Yeah, I was thinking Feud until he ruled that one out, but even then I figured that was something we'd have heard about at some point, given how much behind-the-scenes lore is known about Feud. Card Sharks must be the one.
I listened the entire two hours. Fun stuff.
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I listened for the first time, and I'm glad I did.
Some thoughts: I also thought the show he turned down must have been Card Sharks - and considering it debuted the week after To Say the Least left the air, if Tom had ended up hosting it he would have been another of the MCs to end a show on a Friday and begin a new one the following Monday.
I was hoping they might get around to mentioning Whew!, but I guess with so many shows to talk about they wanted to concentrate on the better-known ones.
It was also interesting to hear the discussion on Split Second and the possibility of its existence. It was mentioned that Monty Hall would really like to find them if they're around. Sort of re-iterates the point that the networks were likely re-using tapes without the producer's knowledge; unless you're Chuck Barris or (in most cases) Mark Goodson and have the foresight to save them before they got wiped.
Looking forward to the next one!
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'186064\' date=\'May 15 2008, 12:26 PM\']
I was hoping they might get around to mentioning Whew!, but I guess with so many shows to talk about they wanted to concentrate on the better-known ones.
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Was the nightime 'Price Is Right' mentioned?
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'186083\' date=\'May 15 2008, 07:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'186064\' date=\'May 15 2008, 12:26 PM\']
I was hoping they might get around to mentioning Whew!, but I guess with so many shows to talk about they wanted to concentrate on the better-known ones.
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Was the nighttime 'Price Is Right' mentioned?
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Yes it was, and Tom said that he didn't feel that he did a good job -- too many things to memorize (30+ games, their rules, where he & the contestant had to stand in each game, etc...
I'll have to say, he is a very humbling man, does not take all the credit he deserves in his work, witness his short & simple signoffs on series finales.
One show he didn't even get to touch on was daytime "Break The Bank". Like "You Don't Say" (60's version), both were canceled despite good ratings.
One would also wonder if Tom did take the Card Sharks gig, would Jim Perry have been only known as a household TV name in Canada?? (I could see Tom follow the same route that Jim took to "Sale of the Century").
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Isn't it coincidental that every time Card Sharks started, Tom lost a gig. The already mentioned "To Say the Least" on NBC and "Body Language" on CBS.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 09:48 AM\']
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
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I'm listening to a repeat broadcast of the program, and I think from the "clue," about trying to guess how ten people in the audience answered that it may have even been "Mindreaders," which was hosted by Dick Martin. Tom was good at so many celebrity-driven game shows, that I wouldn't be surprised if it was this one.
The wrinkle of 10 people in the audience on Card Sharks didn't start until about six months into the CBS-TV version.
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[quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'186098\' date=\'May 15 2008, 08:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 09:48 AM\']
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
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I'm listening to a repeat broadcast of the program, and I think from the "clue," about trying to guess how ten people in the audience answered that it may have even been "Mindreaders," which was hosted by Dick Martin. Tom was good at so many celebrity-driven game shows, that I wouldn't be surprised if it was this one.
The wrinkle of 10 people in the audience on Card Sharks didn't start until about six months into the CBS-TV version.
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I thought of that, but (to paraphrase) when he said that she show has had 'several incarnations over the years' -- there were 4 versions of Card Sharks and only 1 version of Mindreaders -- my vote went to Card Sharks. Besides, the meat of Mindreaders was not the bonus game (out of 10 people...), but rather the 'intuition' play between the stage players during the main game.
Now if it was "Play the Percentages" that Tom turned down, he made the RIGHT choice!!! :)
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One show he didn't even get to touch on was daytime "Break The Bank". Like "You Don't Say" (60's version), both were canceled despite good ratings.
I must admit I would have liked to have heard more about his '70s shows. Break the Bank is a favorite of mine, and I seem to be one of the few who actually liked the '70s You Don't Say!
Another thing I found interesting was when Tom was talking about his personal library. He mentioned he had an episode of Big Game, and a few others. It would be interesting to learn what the hosts have of their own work. For example, thanks to Curt, we know Jim McKrell has one episode of Celebrity Sweepstakes (that traders don't have!)
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...and since Stuart Shokus is a real pal to collectors like us, shall we start the petition drive to have Stuart ask to "borrow" Tom's copy of Big Game for a couple of days and see what happens? We could only hope....
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'186064\' date=\'May 15 2008, 12:26 PM\']
I also thought the show he turned down must have been Card Sharks - and considering it debuted the week after To Say the Least left the air, if Tom had ended up hosting it he would have been another of the MCs to end a show on a Friday and begin a new one the following Monday.
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He already is in that club as 50 Grand Slam exited on the final Friday of 1976 and daytime Name That Tune began the following Monday, same time same channel on most NBC stations. Did mid-1970s You Don't Say! begin the Monday after the original Split Second went off or was there a one-week break in-between?
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He already is in that club as 50 Grand Slam exited on the final Friday of 1976 and daytime Name That Tune began the following Monday, same time same channel on most NBC stations. Did mid-1970s You Don't Say! begin the Monday after the original Split Second went off or was there a one-week break in-between?
You're right...about about an hour after I originally posted I thought of that...I must be getting forgetful in my old age :)
Split Second went off June 27, 1975 and You Don't Say came on July 7.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 08:48 AM\']
Stu had said at one point this show had broken the record for the most listeners!
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
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Ouch. That would have kept Tom busy for awhile.
Let's play What If... Tom Kennedy had taken Card Sharks in 1978?
1) Jim Perry is best known in the states as a weekend air personality on WABC.
2) Tom hosts the show until its cancellation in 1981.
3) Gene Rayburn turns down Whew! Wink Martindale takes the show, and it's cancelled in 13 weeks.
4) Bill Cullen becomes permanent host of Password Plus in 1980. Pat Sajak takes over Blockbusters and stays until its cancellation in early 1982 -- whereupon he takes over Wheel of Fortune, which had been in reruns for a month.
5) Tom takes over the daytime revival of Card Sharks in 1986, directly following the cancellation of Body Language (thus following himself up again). Bill Rafferty gets the nighttime edition.
6) Wordplay is hosted by Jamie Farr, cancelled after 13 weeks, and replaced by reruns of Night Court until Win, Lose, or Draw is ready.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'186194\' date=\'May 16 2008, 08:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186052\' date=\'May 15 2008, 08:48 AM\']
Stu had said at one point this show had broken the record for the most listeners!
From the 'clues' given, it sounds like he actually turned down the chance to host Card Sharks, which ultimately led Jim Perry to the gig.
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Ouch. That would have kept Tom busy for awhile.
Let's play What If... Tom Kennedy had taken Card Sharks in 1978?[/quote]That was a not entirely horrible outcome. Someone fetch the flux capacitor!
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'186194\' date=\'May 16 2008, 11:56 PM\']
1) Jim Perry is best known in the states as a weekend air personality on WABC.
2) Tom hosts the show until its cancellation in 1981.
3) Gene Rayburn turns down Whew! Wink Martindale takes the show, and it's cancelled in 13 weeks.
4) Bill Cullen becomes permanent host of Password Plus in 1980. Pat Sajak takes over Blockbusters and stays until its cancellation in early 1982 -- whereupon he takes over Wheel of Fortune, which had been in reruns for a month.
5) Tom takes over the daytime revival of Card Sharks in 1986, directly following the cancellation of Body Language (thus following himself up again). Bill Rafferty gets the nighttime edition.
6) Wordplay is hosted by Jamie Farr, cancelled after 13 weeks, and replaced by reruns of Night Court until Win, Lose, or Draw is ready.
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Not only is this well thought out, but I absolutely think that many of these steps would have occured. Well done!
My only exception...was NBC desperate to give Sajak a game? I always thought he was a Merv push, not an NBC one...
Blockbusters with....Jim Perry? Then - Win Lose or Draw with Eubanks?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'186194\' date=\'May 16 2008, 11:56 PM\']
Bill Cullen becomes permanent host of Password Plus in 1980.[/quote]
Taking this a step further, does Bill get the nod to host Super Password in 1984?
Does he then host both Super Password and The Joker's Wild from 1984-86?
Or does Jim Peck get the gig on TJW replacing Jack Barry?
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Was it stated that the show was indeed Card Sharks "78? I find it hard to believe that Tom would have turned down what would have been his first Goodson show.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186202\' date=\'May 17 2008, 06:25 AM\']My only exception...was NBC desperate to give Sajak a game? I always thought he was a Merv push, not an NBC one...[/quote]
I don't know about 'desperate', but before getting Wheel, Sajak did a pilot called Puzzlers for Goodson-Todman and NBC. So it wasn't just Merv, anyway.
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'186206\' date=\'May 17 2008, 08:50 AM\']Was it stated that the show was indeed Card Sharks "78? I find it hard to believe that Tom would have turned down what would have been his first Goodson show.[/quote]
But would that really be so much of a consideration? If he didn't like the game, what difference would it make to him who produced it? A job's a job. In fact, I think the bigger surprise is that he'd turn down any available network job. Like Cullen, his reputation was secure by that point, and if the show really did tank, he'd be in line for another soon enough.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'186194\' date=\'May 16 2008, 11:56 PM\']
1) Jim Perry is best known in the states as a weekend air personality on WABC.
2) Tom hosts the show until its cancellation in 1981.
3) Gene Rayburn turns down Whew! Wink Martindale takes the show, and it's cancelled in 13 weeks.
4) Bill Cullen becomes permanent host of Password Plus in 1980. Pat Sajak takes over Blockbusters and stays until its cancellation in early 1982 -- whereupon he takes over Wheel of Fortune, which had been in reruns for a month.
5) Tom takes over the daytime revival of Card Sharks in 1986, directly following the cancellation of Body Language (thus following himself up again). Bill Rafferty gets the nighttime edition.
6) Wordplay is hosted by Jamie Farr, cancelled after 13 weeks, and replaced by reruns of Night Court until Win, Lose, or Draw is ready.
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I would assume in that list that he still would have had his '85-'86 syndie TPIR too?
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So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?
/someone had to ask
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[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?
/someone had to ask
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Joe Garagiola would have done it.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'186230\' date=\'May 17 2008, 02:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?
/someone had to ask
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Joe Garagiola would have done it.
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And then from there, he wouldn't have had to put up with "Strike it Rich".
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These "what if..." questions can be fun to think about.
One that I've always wondered about was if MG('7X) would have not lost its 3:30pm timeslot, how much longer it would have lasted...
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'186246\' date=\'May 17 2008, 06:24 PM\']
These "what if..." questions can be fun to think about.
One that I've always wondered about was if MG('7X) would have not lost its 3:30pm timeslot, how much longer it would have lasted...
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With GENERAL HOSPITAL starting to take off, I'm not sure it would've lasted all that much longer.
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Continuing in this vein: if Pat Sajak had as much pull outside of Merv Griffin as is insinuated, and if Wheel had indeed been canceled by NBC in 1980, maybe he could have been the host of $ale (maybe even with Vanna White as the cohost), which might have been picked up for syndication in fall 1983 and become the long-running megahit and institution here in the States that it is in Australia.
(The preceding is merely wishful thinking on my part, and can be taken as just me talking out of a region that is not my mouth;))
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[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?
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Sally Jullian would've hosted, and the show would've been canceled after 13 minutes, which would mean that Mark DeCarlo would never have been on the show and Freakin' Studs would have never seen the day! :)
Seriously, I could see Tom taking the $ale gig as well -- he would've been good in that Q & A show. That could have put Bob Eubanks on Body Language and then he would've switched from BL to the Card Sharks revival -- which also would've meant that Trivia Trap may have never happened.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'186262\' date=\'May 18 2008, 10:23 AM\']
I could see Tom taking the $ale gig as well -- he would've been good in that Q & A show. That could have put Bob Eubanks on Body Language and then he would've switched from BL to the Card Sharks revival -- which also would've meant that Trivia Trap may have never happened.
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Oh, sure it would. Gene Rayburn would've hosted it while wearing his Amateur's Guide To Love sweater.
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If Bob Eubanks did Body Language, would NBC have cancelled Dream House a month sooner, or would CBS have delayed BL for a month? Or would Jim Lange have filled in on the last few weeks of DH?
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[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?[/quote]
I'll give you an answer rooted in truth. One of the things I've been lucky enough to see in my game show adventures is a bunch of original SOTC auditions. And you know who killed on the audition, and probably would have gotten the job if Jim Perry wasn't around? Geoff Edwards.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'186267\' date=\'May 18 2008, 01:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?[/quote]
I'll give you an answer rooted in truth. One of the things I've been lucky enough to see in my game show adventures is a bunch of original SOTC auditions. And you know who killed on the audition, and probably would have gotten the job if Jim Perry wasn't around? Geoff Edwards.
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Which now makes me wonder how two current Fremantle properties would've done had Edwards hosted either...wasn't he also considered for Feud back in the 70s?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'186267\' date=\'May 18 2008, 01:01 PM\']
I'll give you an answer rooted in truth. One of the things I've been lucky enough to see in my game show adventures is a bunch of original SOTC auditions. And you know who killed on the audition, and probably would have gotten the job if Jim Perry wasn't around? Geoff Edwards.
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Hmmm.... makes you wonder, what other veteran emcees were considered for different shows? We know another host was tapped for "Hot Potato" before Bill Cullen, Geoff Edwards did the pilot for "Your Number's Up", and Peter Tomarken did the pilot for "Wordplay", are there any other examples we haven't heard?
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'186274\' date=\'May 18 2008, 04:06 PM\']
makes you wonder, what other veteran emcees were considered for different shows? We know another host was tapped for "Hot Potato" before Bill Cullen, Geoff Edwards did the pilot for "Your Number's Up", and Peter Tomarken did the pilot for "Wordplay", are there any other examples we haven't heard?
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Gene Rayburn hosted the pilot for Party Line, which became Bruce Forsyth's Hot Streak.
Peter Marshall was promoted in ads in the trades as being the host for 3rd Degree, but somewhere along the way it was determined that Bert Convy should host it.
Ted Baxter was the first choice for The $50,000 Steeplechase.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'186276\' date=\'May 18 2008, 01:39 PM\']
Peter Marshall was promoted in ads in the trades as being the host for 3rd Degree, but somewhere along the way it was determined that Bert Convy should host it.[/quote]
...causing Marshall to talk inordinate amounts of shiat about him in his book. :)
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'186274\' date=\'May 18 2008, 04:06 PM\']
Hmmm.... makes you wonder, what other veteran emcees were considered for different shows? We know another host was tapped for "Hot Potato" before Bill Cullen, Geoff Edwards did the pilot for "Your Number's Up", and Peter Tomarken did the pilot for "Wordplay", are there any other examples we haven't heard?
Tyshaun
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A few weeks ago, Fred Wostbrock showed me a photo (which I'm getting copied for my website now) which caught me by surprise: Tom Kennedy wielding a pair of large dice. Caption: Tom Kennedy returns to television as host of "The New High Rollers," Orion's dynamic game show strip for the 1987-88 season.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'186283\' date=\'May 18 2008, 05:46 PM\']
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'186274\' date=\'May 18 2008, 04:06 PM\']
Hmmm.... makes you wonder, what other veteran emcees were considered for different shows? We know another host was tapped for "Hot Potato" before Bill Cullen, Geoff Edwards did the pilot for "Your Number's Up", and Peter Tomarken did the pilot for "Wordplay", are there any other examples we haven't heard?
Tyshaun
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A few weeks ago, Fred Wostbrock showed me a photo (which I'm getting copied for my website now) which caught me by surprise: Tom Kennedy wielding a pair of large dice. Caption: Tom Kennedy returns to television as host of "The New High Rollers," Orion's dynamic game show strip for the 1987-88 season.
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Whoa.
I don't think even he coulda saved that show though.
So, what happened that he didn't get the gig?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'186267\' date=\'May 18 2008, 01:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'186222\' date=\'May 17 2008, 01:17 PM\']
So what would this have meant for $ale of the Century?[/quote]
I'll give you an answer rooted in truth. One of the things I've been lucky enough to see in my game show adventures is a bunch of original SOTC auditions. And you know who killed on the audition, and probably would have gotten the job if Jim Perry wasn't around? Geoff Edwards.
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Cool. Wish I would have known that before he was on Stu's show a while back...that would have made for an interesting aside.
So, great guru of Sale, who else shot pilots ?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186285\' date=\'May 18 2008, 06:00 PM\']
Cool. Wish I would have known that before he was on Stu's show a while back...that would have made for an interesting aside.
So, great guru of Sale, who else shot pilots ?
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Tom Campbell, Jayson Kane and Greg Mullavey were three others who got screen tests.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'186289\' date=\'May 18 2008, 05:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186285\' date=\'May 18 2008, 06:00 PM\']
So, great guru of Sale, who else shot pilots ?
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Tom Campbell[/quote]
I take it this was "Camouflage" Tom Campbell?
Jayson Kane and Greg Mullavey were three others who got screen tests.
Wow. Whoever suggested Jim [not to mention Geoff] over those 2 deserved a gold star.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186284\' date=\'May 18 2008, 05:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'186283\' date=\'May 18 2008, 05:46 PM\']
A few weeks ago, Fred Wostbrock showed me a photo (which I'm getting copied for my website now) which caught me by surprise: Tom Kennedy wielding a pair of large dice. Caption: Tom Kennedy returns to television as host of "The New High Rollers," Orion's dynamic game show strip for the 1987-88 season.
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Whoa.
I don't think even he coulda saved that show though.
So, what happened that he didn't get the gig?
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Even Fred didn't sound like he was sure about a reason on that one. It may have even boiled down to something as simple as "They changed their minds." I know it didn't create any animosity between Wink & Tom however; the next photo in the pile was Tom hosting a pilot produced by Wink for the following season.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'186473\' date=\'May 20 2008, 08:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'186276\' date=\'May 18 2008, 03:39 PM\']
Peter Marshall was promoted in ads in the trades as being the host for 3rd Degree, but somewhere along the way it was determined that Bert Convy should host it.
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Probably told before but I believe when Convy was ousted as the host of 'Win Loose or Draw' in favor of the younger Robb Weller he made himself the host of '3rd Degree', which he also produced.
[/quote]Convy also co-produced WLoD. I find it hard to believe he was "ousted"
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'186474\' date=\'May 20 2008, 08:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'186473\' date=\'May 20 2008, 08:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'186276\' date=\'May 18 2008, 03:39 PM\']
Peter Marshall was promoted in ads in the trades as being the host for 3rd Degree, but somewhere along the way it was determined that Bert Convy should host it.
[/quote]
Probably told before but I believe when Convy was ousted as the host of 'Win Loose or Draw' in favor of the younger Robb Weller he made himself the host of '3rd Degree', which he also produced.
[/quote]Convy also co-produced WLoD. I find it hard to believe he was "ousted"
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No.
What PaulD said is true.
It's even mentioned in the book, "Television Game Show Hosts" written by David Baber.
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You'll forgive me if I still go ahead and call shenanigans on that.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'186504\' date=\'May 21 2008, 02:25 AM\']
You'll forgive me if I still go ahead and call shenanigans on that.
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Disney was (and is) the official owner of the show--they could have very well told Kline that they didn't want Convy hosting anymore. I know that I have no proof, but it always seemed to me to be the most likely scenario.
And IIRC, Reynolds did not appear once in the last season of "WLOD." It could've been because Convy was taken off, although the gameplay changes and the set change (if you want to really get petty) could also have been factors.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'186522\' date=\'May 21 2008, 11:23 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'186504\' date=\'May 21 2008, 02:25 AM\']
You'll forgive me if I still go ahead and call shenanigans on that.
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Disney was (and is) the official owner of the show--they could have very well told Kline that they didn't want Convy hosting anymore. I know that I have no proof, but it always seemed to me to be the most likely scenario.
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But then disney had no problem with Convy helming their new project? I dunno, that still seems suspect.
I too call Shenanigans...just because a guy wrote a book 20 years after the fact doesn't mean his word is in stone.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186528\' date=\'May 21 2008, 11:46 AM\']I too call Shenanigans...just because a guy wrote a book 20 years after the fact doesn't mean his word is in stone.[/quote]
That's exactly my view. My opinion has always been that Convy chose to give up Win Lose or Draw to do 3rd Degree after they decided to can Peter Marshall. It's certainly not swayed because of second-hand reporting decades after the fact.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'186532\' date=\'May 21 2008, 12:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186528\' date=\'May 21 2008, 11:46 AM\']I too call Shenanigans...just because a guy wrote a book 20 years after the fact doesn't mean his word is in stone.[/quote]
That's exactly my view. My opinion has always been that Convy chose to give up Win Lose or Draw to do 3rd Degree after they decided to can Peter Marshall. It's certainly not swayed because of second-hand reporting decades after the fact.
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The first game show taping I ever attended was the first three episodes of the final season of syndicated "Win, Lose or Draw," hosted by Robb Weller. The episodes taped at CBS Television City in the summer of 1989.
After the first episode was wrapped and the audience was shuffled around, announcer Bob Hilton announced that a "very special guest" wanted to talk to us. Out comes Bert Convy, who welcomed us to the taping and asked us to check out "3rd Degree," which was premiering that fall (IIRC, 3rd Degree also taped at CBS Television City -- I vaguely remember a posted taping schedule for that week on a studio outside wall, two tape days for WLD, three tape days for Degree and two for TPiR).
During the next two shows, I could see Convy speaking with producers about the taping, and also chatting with Weller during commercial breaks. I even walked by Convy as we were departing the studio (he was in the middle of a conversation with producers, so I didn't stop and say hello).
If there was no problem having Convy in the studio during the taping, I highly doubt he was booted from the show.
James
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'186208\' date=\'May 17 2008, 09:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'186206\' date=\'May 17 2008, 08:50 AM\']Was it stated that the show was indeed Card Sharks "78? I find it hard to believe that Tom would have turned down what would have been his first Goodson show.[/quote]
But would that really be so much of a consideration? If he didn't like the game, what difference would it make to him who produced it? A job's a job. In fact, I think the bigger surprise is that he'd turn down any available network job. Like Cullen, his reputation was secure by that point, and if the show really did tank, he'd be in line for another soon enough.
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I find it odd that he turned it down, especially since he was (probably) still under NBC contract at that point. Of course, within the previous 2-1/2 years or so, he'd done five daytime games ranging from slightly above average (Break the Bank) to lousy (50 Grand Slam); perhaps he just wanted some time off and maybe to be a little more discerning in his choices. (I would certainly say the next five he did were a whole lot better than the previous five.)
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186528\' date=\'May 21 2008, 11:46 AM\']
But then disney had no problem with Convy helming their new project? I dunno, that still seems suspect.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought Lorimar/Warner Brothers packaged "3rd Degree"? I remember Marshall mentioning Lorimar Productions in his book, when discussing the new show?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'186528\' date=\'May 21 2008, 11:46 AM\']
But then disney had no problem with Convy helming their new project? I dunno, that still seems suspect.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought Lorimar/Warner Brothers packaged "3rd Degree"? I remember Marshall mentioning Lorimar Productions in his book, when discussing the new show?
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It was Lorimar/Warners that co-produced and syndicated "3rd Degree!" The initial announcement may've been Lorimar Telepictures before Time Warner bought them.