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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tvmitch on October 29, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
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I know of no news of cancellation at all - but wanted to pose the topic for discussion...
Is there a possibility that Temptation would get canceled in mid-season this year, similar to Card Sharks' fate a few years ago? Has the show gone in production for the back end of the season, or has the entire season already been produced?
I know that the show is doing well here or there, but national ratings are beyond disappointing.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'168158\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 12:34 PM\']
I know of no news of cancellation at all - but wanted to pose the topic for discussion...
Is there a possibility that Temptation would get canceled in mid-season this year, similar to Card Sharks' fate a few years ago? Has the show gone in production for the back end of the season, or has the entire season already been produced?
I know that the show is doing well here or there, but national ratings are beyond disappointing.
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From what I've heard, they wrapped for the season earlier this month.
And they've said all along that if the shopping element clicks, that could bring the show back into production for more episodes. I would imagine that the shopping element could keep the show on the air--but would that offset stations moving the show into graveyard time slots?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168159\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 01:45 PM\']
From what I've heard, they wrapped for the season earlier this month.[/quote]
Yeah, they had an absurdly sped-up schedule, taping something like 24 shows a week I think. So the episodes are there.
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Might as well run 'em since they've been produced.
If the plug is pulled and the final few months of shows don't run, will the big winners on those shows be denied their True Feng Shui and pampering parties?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'168170\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 02:54 PM\']Might as well run 'em since they've been produced. If the plug is pulled and the final few months of shows don't run, will the big winners on those shows be denied their True Feng Shui and pampering parties?[/quote]
You mean departing contestants won't get their requisite "lots of love" from Rossi? What is this world coming to? I think I'm going to cry. Never mind. Some dust got into my eye.
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One thing I've noticed is more players are willing to succumb to temptation during the main game, so they don't end up with just Rossi's love as a consolation prize...
I think the show will last the season simply because there isn't any new product for stations to buy for a Jan. launch
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One thing I've noticed is more players are willing to succumb to temptation during the main game, so they don't end up with just Rossi's love as a consolation prize...
I'd hope they would. On the 12 or so episodes I've seen of it, a couple of times the champion was defeated and still left with nothing but Rossi's love. I've always thought you should get something for winning a game.
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Don Howard asked:
If the plug is pulled and the final few months of shows don't run, will the big winners on those shows be denied their True Feng Shui and pampering parties?
Big winners? I thought they were cheapening the top prizes.
(Before you know it, the top prize will be a Yugo....)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'168189\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 04:54 PM\']I'd hope they would. On the 12 or so episodes I've seen of it, a couple of times the champion was defeated and still left with nothing but Rossi's love. I've always thought you should get something for winning a game. [/quote]
Even "the cash in front of you" is better than nothing, but as we've seen, that would break the bank here.
/besides, Rossi needs the hugs
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[quote name=\'chops\' post=\'168195\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 07:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'168189\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 04:54 PM\']I'd hope they would. On the 12 or so episodes I've seen of it, a couple of times the champion was defeated and still left with nothing but Rossi's love. I've always thought you should get something for winning a game. [/quote]
Even "the cash in front of you" is better than nothing, but as we've seen, that would break the bank here.
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Which explains why "FREEmantle" produces the show. {rimshot}
/Hold your fire.
I've expressed my utter resentment for the show's cheapness. To be honest, the show wants to project such an elegant image, then plays Scrooge with the prizes. Holy unnecessary irony, Batman!
I say just offer Visa or American Express gift cards to the contestants...that way you at least line up another sponsor, and don't look so cheap. Say $250 for third place, $500 for second. Or, if Fremantle still wants to look cheap, put the "Tempatation Dollars" on said gift card...anything other than talking condescendingly to contestants about the "lots of love Temptatorgy".
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168159\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 12:45 PM\']
And they've said all along that if the shopping element clicks, that could bring the show back into production for more episodes. I would imagine that the shopping element could keep the show on the air--but would that offset stations moving the show into graveyard time slots?
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RIP: "Bargain Hunters", "The Home Shopping Game", "Can We Shop" (Joan Rivers talk/shopping show), "VTV" (Alex Trebek/Meredith McRae talk/shopping show), "Time Out For Trivia" (sports trivia/shopping show), "What's News" (current events trivia/shopping show)...
people that want shopping shows, watch shopping shows (thank goodness). Shows that rely on shoppping segments to pay the bills, fail.
To quote Bud Paxson (then head of Home Shopping Network at the time) on "The Home Shopping Game": "we had a hell of a lot of fun, and lost a hell of a lot of money"
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'168304\' date=\'Oct 30 2007, 09:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168159\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 12:45 PM\']
And they've said all along that if the shopping element clicks, that could bring the show back into production for more episodes. I would imagine that the shopping element could keep the show on the air--but would that offset stations moving the show into graveyard time slots?
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RIP: "Bargain Hunters", "The Home Shopping Game", "Can We Shop" (Joan Rivers talk/shopping show), "VTV" (Alex Trebek/Meredith McRae talk/shopping show), "Time Out For Trivia" (sports trivia/shopping show), "What's News" (current events trivia/shopping show)...
people that want shopping shows, watch shopping shows (thank goodness). Shows that rely on shoppping segments to pay the bills, fail.
To quote Bud Paxson (then head of Home Shopping Network at the time) on "The Home Shopping Game": "we had a hell of a lot of fun, and lost a hell of a lot of money"
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Someone who would know: Did "TOFT" have shopping when it started? I know that the shopping element was dropped at some point before it went off and before FNN dropped "TelShop" (and it seems to me that it lasted as long as the Score block on FNN lasted).
Could a similar statement be made about "call-in-and-lose" shows as well? It would seem to me that they work as a money-maker better when they are their own channel, as in Europe (although I realize that most, if not all of those channels are part-time, correct?). If GSN decided to spinoff "PlayMania" as its own channel, would they make money off of it? (I assume that initially there would be interest from cable operators, as would anything that doesn't charge subscriber fees and shares revenues with the systems, like shopping channels.) Could a 24/7 call-in-and-lose work? Is ITV Play still going in the UK?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168336\' date=\'Oct 31 2007, 11:42 AM\']
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'168304\' date=\'Oct 30 2007, 09:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168159\' date=\'Oct 29 2007, 12:45 PM\']
And they've said all along that if the shopping element clicks, that could bring the show back into production for more episodes. I would imagine that the shopping element could keep the show on the air--but would that offset stations moving the show into graveyard time slots?
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RIP: "Bargain Hunters", "The Home Shopping Game", "Can We Shop" (Joan Rivers talk/shopping show), "VTV" (Alex Trebek/Meredith McRae talk/shopping show), "Time Out For Trivia" (sports trivia/shopping show), "What's News" (current events trivia/shopping show)...
people that want shopping shows, watch shopping shows (thank goodness). Shows that rely on shoppping segments to pay the bills, fail.
To quote Bud Paxson (then head of Home Shopping Network at the time) on "The Home Shopping Game": "we had a hell of a lot of fun, and lost a hell of a lot of money"
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Someone who would know: Did "TOFT" have shopping when it started? I know that the shopping element was dropped at some point before it went off and before FNN dropped "TelShop" (and it seems to me that it lasted as long as the Score block on FNN lasted).
Could a similar statement be made about "call-in-and-lose" shows as well? It would seem to me that they work as a money-maker better when they are their own channel, as in Europe (although I realize that most, if not all of those channels are part-time, correct?). If GSN decided to spinoff "PlayMania" as its own channel, would they make money off of it? (I assume that initially there would be interest from cable operators, as would anything that doesn't charge subscriber fees and shares revenues with the systems, like shopping channels.) Could a 24/7 call-in-and-lose work? Is ITV Play still going in the UK?
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TelShop went before Score did iirc. The whole lot was bought up by CNBC and yes "TOFT" had regular prizes first but they were nothing exciting. I wish I could remember the announcers name because he would be onscreen and banter with Bill Griffith during the "what's news" show and was often the highlight of that call in to win show.
The problem with all of the call in to play and win shows is they just aren't interesting TV for the average viewer. I equate it to radio and the people who will listen to any radio station that has a contest running. They have no loyalty to a station/show/format, they just want to win. The call into win TV shows are for those viewers and thats honestly it. That's a tough audience to market to. It would probably work best as a niche network but even so I don't think could turn a profit.
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'168400\' date=\'Oct 31 2007, 10:40 PM\']
The problem with all of the call in to play and win shows is they just aren't interesting TV for the average viewer.
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I wonder if it would help if they had legit questions and puzzles and didn't stall to make it seem like nobody was calling in. Basically, if they made it an actual game.
TOFT--Todd Donoho (unless you meant an off-camera announcer). He did sports at KABC at one point since. Those questions were actually fair, if I recalll correctly.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'168336\' date=\'Oct 31 2007, 11:42 AM\']
Could a 24/7 call-in-and-lose work? Is ITV Play still going in the UK?
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Not anymore -- the channel closed in March due to concerns in which prospective players weren't treated fairly, and that some view the games as a form of gambling, getting the regulators involved. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Play_%28channel%29 (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_Play_%28channel%29\")
The ITV Play brand continued as a brand until the start of October, when it was revamped as ITV Games.
A few other quiz channels also folded in Britain, due to legal allegations.
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Temptation has been cut from double run to single run in Pittsburgh. Apparently WBGN feels that infomercials for the Lauren Hutton Face Disc at 6:30 p.m. will do better than Rossi Morreale and his endless supply of love.
Keep in mind, WBGN is an LP station carried on a minority of the area's cable systems, unavailable via either satellite provider, and harder to pull in over the air than a 747 with a lasso. Unless they've run out of new episodes to air, or there's some other factor I'm missing, I see this as preparations to take the patient off life support.
Thanks again, Fremantle, for rendering yet another flawless format virtually impracticable for future use. Password is next to the gallows, I see.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'169377\' date=\'Nov 12 2007, 05:49 PM\']
and harder to pull in over the air than a 747 with a lasso. [/quote]
Well played.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'169377\' date=\'Nov 12 2007, 08:49 PM\']
Thanks again, Fremantle, for rendering yet another flawless format virtually impracticable for future use. Password is next to the gallows, I see.
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And yet the people in charge get nothing even short of a reprimand for their failures. Nobody at Fremantle would survive in work in the real world because in the real world they would have been fired a LONG time ago for lack of performance.
Ginger Simpson's next job should be night supervisor at a Jack in the Box in Pomona, not producing game shows poorly. She is unfit to produce any television and should be blackballed from the industry for its good. Ditto Vynnidge and company for allowing this to happen when they could have put their feet down. If only Fremantle had the cojones to hire Bob Boden or Rich Cronin to run things... :(.
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'169383\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 12:48 AM\']
Ginger Simpson's next job should be night supervisor at a Jack in the Box in Pomona, not producing game shows poorly. She is unfit to produce any television and should be blackballed from the industry for its good. [/quote]
How much of a hand did she have in the remake of "Love Connection" with Pat Bullard at the helm? And how long did that show actually last in syndication? At least she's consistent!
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'169393\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 10:24 AM\']
[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'169383\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 12:48 AM\']
Ginger Simpson's next job should be night supervisor at a Jack in the Box in Pomona, not producing game shows poorly. She is unfit to produce any television and should be blackballed from the industry for its good. [/quote]
How much of a hand did she have in the remake of "Love Connection" with Pat Bullard at the helm? And how long did that show actually last in syndication? At least she's consistent!
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Consistently horrible which breeds a poor track record, Lingo notwithstanding.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'169393\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 10:24 AM\']
How much of a hand did she have in the remake of "Love Connection" with Pat Bullard at the helm? And how long did that show actually last in syndication?
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Approximately one season (1998-99). I forgot all about that abomination. Absolutely no chemistry felt on the set whatsoever...almost as if folks were there to pick up a paycheck. Gee, why does THAT sound familiar?
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'169396\' date=\'Nov 13 2007, 12:10 PM\']
Consistently horrible which breeds a poor track record, Lingo notwithstanding.[/quote]
And many of us maintain that Lingo has been a success despite poor production decisions, because the game is just that good.