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Title: What if...?
Post by: BMaurice06 on September 16, 2007, 08:14:43 PM
Mind you, this is not a criticism, but rather a quandry that concerns Temptation:

What do you think would have happened if Fremantle used the Australian format?

I'm not slamming the current one anymore; I just want to find out everyone's own opinions on this question (especially fostergray's).
Title: What if...?
Post by: clemon79 on September 16, 2007, 09:03:37 PM
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164012\' date=\'Sep 16 2007, 05:14 PM\']
What do you think would have happened if Fremantle used the Australian format?
[/quote]
It would have been good. Rossi still would have been annoying as hell, but he would have been easier to ignore with a decent format in front of him.
Title: What if...?
Post by: tvwxman on September 16, 2007, 09:34:52 PM
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164012\' date=\'Sep 16 2007, 08:14 PM\']
Mind you, this is not a criticism, but rather a quandry that concerns Temptation:

What do you think would have happened if Fremantle used the Australian format?

I'm not slamming the current one anymore; I just want to find out everyone's own opinions on this question (especially fostergray's).
[/quote]
Only if Todd Newton was hosting, and Todd Newton was modeling the prizes. Oh, and the announcer was Todd Newton

It would likely have been better than the dreck that currently airs. I also believe that some fault lies in the casting. The Contestant Coordinators shouldn't work in California. Evar. Again.
Title: What if...?
Post by: TLEberle on September 16, 2007, 09:47:38 PM
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164012\' date=\'Sep 16 2007, 05:14 PM\']Mind you, this is not a criticism, but rather a quandry that concerns Temptation:

What do you think would have happened if Fremantle used the Australian format?[/quote]You'd have Great Television that would be over the head of 999 out of 1,000 viewers. When Sale of the Century is done right, it fires on all cylinders.

What impressed me most about the Australian production team was how they recognized that some things just weren't working out, and rather than dragging their heels, they fixed them. The Vault was moved from the first Gift Shop to the third, where it actually makes for an interesting decision. The Ten-in-a-Row, along with the $500,000 of gold bullion was chucked, and the Ten in Sixty, with the Night Seven Jackpot was introduced, which works much better, and has only had to be paid a handful of times. The Australian team made Great Television.

Could Temptation: US Edition be Great Television? Yes. With a lot of work. It could be tolerable television with a modicum of work.

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I'm not slamming the current one anymore;
I, for one, am relieved. I just couldn't handle anymore sleepless nights.
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 16, 2007, 11:36:21 PM
How did I get roped into this? lol

Okay, with the Aussie format, it would've been closer to the 80s version, with slight modifications, and the pacing would've looked smoother. One gripe I do have is that they try to do too much with the format...trying to cram too many shows into 22 minutes. Add the shopping round prize descriptions, and it's even worse. Had they at least tried to mix the two countries' formats, it might've gelled better.

However, I don't think Rossi would work. The show is supposed to give a slight air of elegance, and a pretty-boy with an open collar and blue jeans doesn't give me that impression. Yes, I know they want to go for the Lifetime crowd, but at least dress up the host appropriately.

I really need to send off my resume and get to Hollywood, while I'm still relatively young.

/Or New York
//I'll need about 4 roommates
///We could make a sitcom!
////Seth MacFarlane was 25 when "Family Guy" premiered
/////No pressure
Title: What if...?
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 17, 2007, 12:15:36 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164024\' date=\'Sep 16 2007, 11:36 PM\']
I really need to send off my resume and get to Hollywood, while I'm still relatively young.[/quote]
I had a similar observation with friends at dinner tonight, but from a different angle.  All my small-market life I've had people telling me I should go out to California because I'm every bit as good as "those guys".  Thing is, I'm used to "those guys" being Trebek and Barker and Sajak and Woolery and Martindale, and I knew my limitations despite what well-meaning friends would say.

Nowadays, "those guys" are Rossi and Ty and that kid on Chain Reaction whose name I never can remember, and I'm comfortable saying that I AM every bit as good as them, if not better.  But nowadays, I'm bald, middle-aged, fat and happy, and in no position to ditch a comfortable life in search of young-person fantasies.

Meanwhile, at that very dinner tonight, two ten-year-old girls came up and shyly asked me for my autograph.  So it's not such a bad life.
Title: What if...?
Post by: MisterBlue on September 17, 2007, 12:44:53 AM
It'd be a heluva lot better, to say the least.  You'd have a bigger audience, and less pissed-off old school fans.  It'd feel less like a corny soap opera, and have some real drama.  They probably woudn't have the big budget the Aussie version had, but an eight night run for even $100,000 and The Lot is always great television.
Title: What if...?
Post by: tpirfan28 on September 17, 2007, 08:46:23 AM
It would be much better.  Our version is executed weirdly...the "shop" clock, the "rounds of questions", no 5-day rule, no Lot...

I've thought that the game should go like this:

- three questions
- Fame Game
- Instant Bargain
(((break)))
- Knock-Off
- Instant Bargain
- :30 Speed Round
(((break)))
- three questions
- Instant Cash
- :60 Speed Round
(((break)))
- Super Knock-Off (I like it)
- Shopping

EDIT:
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I also believe that some fault lies in the casting. The Contestant Coordinators shouldn't work in California. Evar. Again.
After watching exactly four minutes of today's first-run show, I could not agree more.  Makes Stan look normal. (not a joke).
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 17, 2007, 01:39:37 PM
I honestly thought this out this morning...somewhat.

-Open the show, have Rossi greet the contestants. (1:00)
-Keep the :30 speed round to warm the contestants up. (:30)
-Go ahead with the first Instant Bargain. (1:00)
-Formally meet the contestants. (:45)
-I then throw in six to eight questions, not timed, (1:30)
-Then the Fame Game, in its current format, except the contestant picks from the board from one of six faces. Behind three are dollar amounts ($5/10/15), two decent prizes, and a cash amount between $200-750. (1:30)
-COMMERCIAL...by that point, you have burned six minutes, and I drop the home shopping, however tell viewers they can buy nice stuff on the website
-Another six to eight questions (1:30)
-Instant Bargain (1:00)
-Either Dis or Dat or Knock Off...it's one or the other, but can be played on alternate days (1:15)
-Four to six questions (1:00)
-Instant Cash (1:00)
-COMMERCIAL (11:45 used)
-Four to six questions (1:00)
-Fame Game II...add three more spaces, one of which is $20, another prize, and one BURGLAR, to take $5 from an opponent (1:30)
-:60 speed round (1:00)
-Post Mortem (:45)

Problem is, it's still only 16 minutes, and that's just a rough estimate. If you give Rossi a chance to banter with the contestants a little, you should be able to fill in another two minutes.

Bonus game: I guess Super Knock Off could work, and have Rolonda introduce the prizes that can be bought that day, thus saving a little more game time.

Just a rough sketch, and it looks like it contains too much, but most of it is just standard Q&A. And not to look too cheap, allow the departing contestants to keep their paltry money and perhaps a very small prize. For some reason, those American Express or Visa gift cards seem appropriate for this show.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Fedya on September 17, 2007, 02:05:21 PM
Matt Ottinger wrote:
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But nowadays, I'm bald, middle-aged, fat and happy
You could be the next Joe Garagiola!  ;-)
Title: What if...?
Post by: clemon79 on September 17, 2007, 02:08:10 PM
I question your timing (for example, the Speed Round segment is gonna be at least twenty seconds longer with Rossi saying "hey, time for the Speed Round" and recapping the scores), but I think the format itself is solid.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Neumms on September 17, 2007, 02:43:01 PM
Aren't there hip people who dress in a suit? Why can't Rossi be dressed at least as well as a salesperson in a department store? If you go to Barneys New York, they're not dressed like Rossi, they have a tie on.

Why can't the put the speed round clock on the big-screen behind the players?

Why do they need the dumb shot clock, rather than "going-going-gone?"

If they're calling it "Temptation," shouldn't the Instant Bargains be somewhat tempting? He's trying to sway them with 100 lousy bucks!

Why can't they edit Rossi's recitations of rules for each little segment? Don't they realize they slow down the whole show? That's another thing I can't stand--they talk about how the young people want faster pacing, then they slow down the pacing! Let me fix the copy and there'd be time for the 60-second speed round at the end plus another Fame Game.

Why are some Knock-Off answers worth more than others? Is it random? Is it somehow based on how obscure they are? Why aren't they all $5 until the last three or something?

Why do they have to recap the scores when they're right there on the flippin' screen?

Other than all that, it's a terrific show. Oh, and the host sucks.
Title: What if...?
Post by: MSTieScott on September 17, 2007, 02:52:02 PM
I too question some of the timings -- Knock Off takes a lot longer than DisOrDat, so I don't think alternating between them will keep things consistent.

The more I think about it, the more that I think that the first Knock Off is the problem. My solution would be to replace it with something that's paced slower than a speed round, but doesn't take as long as Knock Out. There are many other game show formats that can be "borrowed," several of which are even owned by Fremantle. Just something that doesn't eat up quite so much time. Then you don't have to edit the living daylights out of the rest of the show. Save enough time and maybe you can make that much-needed change to a 60-second final round.

Super Knock Off is all right, if they'd only explain the risk on air fully. And the home shopping segments definitely aren't going anywhere.

--
Scott Robinson
Title: What if...?
Post by: Sodboy13 on September 17, 2007, 02:57:53 PM
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'164068\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:52 PM\']
My solution would be to replace it with something that's paced slower than a speed round, but doesn't take as long as Knock Out. There are many other game show formats that can be "borrowed," several of which are even owned by Fremantle.[/quote]

Okay, so, hear me out on this: we set up a row of 7 playing cards...

/ducks
Title: What if...?
Post by: Jackpotman800 on September 17, 2007, 03:50:22 PM
In a word... 100%.
Title: What if...?
Post by: GS Warehouse on September 17, 2007, 03:58:21 PM
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'164069\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 02:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'164068\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:52 PM\']
... There are many other game show formats that can be "borrowed," several of which are even owned by Fremantle.[/quote]Okay, so, hear me out on this: we set up a row of 7 playing cards...[/quote]
...and determine which one is telling the truth without going over by using only one-word clues.
Title: What if...?
Post by: dzinkin on September 17, 2007, 03:58:56 PM
[quote name=\'Jackpotman800\' post=\'164074\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 03:50 PM\']
In a word... 100%.
[/quote]
That's three words.
Title: What if...?
Post by: tpirfan28 on September 17, 2007, 04:01:40 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'164078\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 03:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'164069\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 02:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'164068\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:52 PM\']
... There are many other game show formats that can be "borrowed," several of which are even owned by Fremantle.[/quote]Okay, so, hear me out on this: we set up a row of 7 playing cards...[/quote]
...and determine which one is telling the truth without going over by using only one-word clues.
[/quote]...Here's a Clip Chip to help you.

/Clip Chips: Worst thing since unsliced bread.
//EDIT: even worse when you can't spell the damn thing right
///EDIT2: and blow your own joke (see below)
////three edits later I get them right
Title: What if...?
Post by: Sodboy13 on September 17, 2007, 04:11:42 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'164082\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 03:01 PM\']
/Chip Clips: Worst thing since unsliced bread.
[/quote]

I dunno... they keep my Fritos rather fresh.

Clip Chips, however, those things suck the chrome off a fender.
Title: What if...?
Post by: TimK2003 on September 17, 2007, 05:34:26 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'164066\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 02:43 PM\']
If they're calling it "Temptation," shouldn't the Instant Bargains be somewhat tempting? He's trying to sway them with 100 lousy bucks![/quote]

Well at least he's offering $100 USDs instead of $100 TDs -- you can't take home Temptation Dollars!  

Giving up $x.xx and possibly the lead is not a bad deal when you consider that win or lose, you're going home with some cash & prizes.
Title: What if...?
Post by: jalman on September 17, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
[quote name=\'Jackpotman800\' post=\'164074\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 03:50 PM\']
In a word... 100%.
[/quote]
Fremantle could pick a better format, dude.  The thought of having Rossi playing the role of Casey Kasem is more frightening than the Rossi we have now.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Joe Mello on September 17, 2007, 07:57:41 PM
Getting back to the original question, I think the Aussie version has some issues, too.  I'm not that sold on the Vault as a good replacement for Instant Cash and there's something about their endgame that leaves something to be desired.  I'm also not really sure about what the big difference is between 3 or 4 more questions and a 20-second Sprint Round.

I can probably whip up a format myself, if people so desire to see it.

/Sidenote: Temptation has about 20-25 Speed Round questions per show.  Excluding Fame Games, Perry's $ale had about 30-35.
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 17, 2007, 08:18:35 PM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'164109\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 07:57 PM\']
I'm also not really sure about what the big difference is between 3 or 4 more questions and a 20-second Sprint Round.[/quote]
Timing. Go ahead and spread four questions out, give Rossi time to even explain the background of some questions, instead of just breezing through everything.

With a regular question, including explanations and banter, you make about :15-20.
Title: What if...?
Post by: TLEberle on September 17, 2007, 10:06:26 PM
[quote name=\'Jackpotman800\' post=\'164074\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 12:50 PM\']In a word... 100%.[/quote]Congratulations, you've found the one format that would actually make Temptation less interesting.

It's not so much the incongruous nature of the added games that I find bothersome, it's their choice of material. They've made their bed, and I won't be sleeping in it. "Meat or Cheese" works on Remote Control or You Don't Know Jack because they're both parodies. It's hard to give off the air of a serious game show when you have people bleating out "Meat!" or "Cheese!" every two seconds.

[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'164109\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 04:57 PM\']Getting back to the original question, I think the Aussie version has some issues, too.  [/quote] I'm not surprised one bit.

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I'm not that sold on the Vault as a good replacement for Instant Cash
Why not? I think it fixes both problems that Instant Cash had, making the dilemma interesting every single night. Jackpot too low? Then no one plays. Too big a lead? Don't even think about trying for it. A static $15 to play, and a chance at a known quantity of money makes it work.

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and there's something about their endgame that leaves something to be desired.  
How so? I don't see anything wrong with it.

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I'm also not really sure about what the big difference is between 3 or 4 more questions and a 20-second Sprint Round.
To break up the pacing a bit?
Title: What if...?
Post by: BMaurice06 on September 17, 2007, 10:36:57 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164053\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM\']
-Open the show, have Rossi greet the contestants. (1:00)
-Keep the :30 speed round to warm the contestants up. (:30)
-Go ahead with the first Instant Bargain. (1:00)
-Formally meet the contestants. (:45)
-I then throw in six to eight questions, not timed, (1:30)
-Then the Fame Game, in its current format, except the contestant picks from the board from one of six faces. Behind three are dollar amounts ($5/10/15), two decent prizes, and a cash amount between $200-750. (1:30)
[/quote]

Why can't we just meet the contestants at the start?  Since Jeopardy, too many game shows over the years have followed an annoying trend of going straight into the game saving the contestant interviews for later.  And I still like the original Fame Game format because it's more challenging to have the players listen to the "mini-biography" than to dumb it down with a spike-word format.

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164053\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM\']
-Another six to eight questions (1:30)
-Instant Bargain (1:00)
-Either Dis or Dat or Knock Off...it's one or the other, but can be played on alternate days (1:15)
-Four to six questions (1:00)
-Instant Cash (1:00)
[/quote]

Sigh.  Okay, keep Knock Off if you want, but I stubbornly say it drags down what is supposed to be a fast-paced front game.

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164053\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM\']
-Four to six questions (1:00)
-Fame Game II...add three more spaces, one of which is $20, another prize, and one BURGLAR, to take $5 from an opponent (1:30)
-:60 speed round (1:00)
-Post Mortem (:45)
[/quote]

This is a little better....

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164053\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM\']
Bonus game: I guess Super Knock Off could work, and have Rolonda introduce the prizes that can be bought that day, thus saving a little more game time.
[/quote]

I'm still skeptical about how you're going to win me over with that, but if you say so...

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164053\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM\']
And not to look too cheap, allow the departing contestants to keep their paltry money and perhaps a very small prize. For some reason, those American Express or Visa gift cards seem appropriate for this show.
[/quote]

I agree.

Overall, your changes are a tad better that what is currently on the air, though I still would cling on to the Aussie edition.  Keep working on it.

P.S. Out of curiosity, what exactly don't you like about the current Aussie version?
Title: What if...?
Post by: TLEberle on September 17, 2007, 10:44:57 PM
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164122\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 07:36 PM\']Overall, your changes are a tad better that what is currently on the air, though I still would cling on to the Aussie edition.  Keep working on it.[/quote]Good grief. I'll just say it so we can move on.

"They ought to have brought the show over straight from Australia, lock, stock and barrel."

Never mind budget, time or talent constraints. We've given our input. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean we have to keep going until we find something that pleases Your Majesty.
Title: What if...?
Post by: dzinkin on September 17, 2007, 10:54:01 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'164126\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 10:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164122\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 07:36 PM\']Overall, your changes are a tad better that what is currently on the air, though I still would cling on to the Aussie edition.  Keep working on it.[/quote]Good grief. I'll just say it so we can move on.

"They ought to have brought the show over straight from Australia, lock, stock and barrel."
[/quote]
I'm sorry, that answer is incorrect.  We were looking for "They ought to have brought the show over straight from Australia, lock, stock and barrel except with Todd Newton and Brooke Burke in place of Ed Phillips and Livinia Nixon."  We also would have accepted "They ought to have copied the show verbatim from 1980s Australia lock, stock and barrel except with Todd Newton and Brooke Burke in place of Tony Barber and Alyce Platt."
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 17, 2007, 11:13:34 PM
[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'164122\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 10:36 PM\']
Overall, your changes are a tad better that what is currently on the air, though I still would cling on to the Aussie edition.  Keep working on it.
[/quote]
Glad to have your Seal of Approval...but Lemon already approved in on page 3. :-P

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P.S. Out of curiosity, what exactly don't you like about the current Aussie version?
1) Who said I didn't?  

2) I'd just like to see something more than a carbon copy of what the Aussies did or what was done nearly 25 years ago. It's the aspiring producer in me; I like creativity. There's a difference between making alterations and changing just for the sake of change.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Joe Mello on September 17, 2007, 11:13:47 PM
Re: Travis' stuff

When comparing the Vault to Instant Cash, there's hardly any risk.  If a "good" payout is anything with at least four digits, there is a substantially greater chance of getting that than something less than good.  Yes, I know that you're just as likely to get $8 as you are $8,000, but there doesn't seem to be as much potential for Buyer's Remorse.

What I don't like about the endgame is that it's non-discriminatory.  I do like it has risk (unlike the Winner's Board), but if I'm averaging $100 a day, I should be able to get more than someone averaging $60 a day.  Also, I'd rather have a bonus game that serves me now rather than possibly serve me later.
Title: What if...?
Post by: tpirfan28 on September 18, 2007, 09:17:18 AM
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'164109\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 07:57 PM\']
/Sidenote: Temptation has about 20-25 Speed Round questions per show.  Excluding Fame Games, Perry's $ale had about 30-35.
[/quote]Half the timing comes with the fact that Rossi is no Jim in regards to reading the questions.

(Wouldn't kill him to show some emotion either.)
Title: What if...?
Post by: clemon79 on September 18, 2007, 12:03:29 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'164146\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 06:17 AM\']
(Wouldn't kill him to show some emotion either.)
[/quote]
I just figured out who Rossi reminds me of! (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre\")

/more money than you could *possibly* *imagine!*
Title: What if...?
Post by: uncamark on September 18, 2007, 12:20:10 PM
And to add to the list of What's Wrong with Rossi, I don't really like him urging the contestant to buy an IB.  His job is only to present the offers and tempt the contestant, not try to ram it down the contestant's throat.  I don't care if Ginger Simpson told him otherwise.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Clay Zambo on September 18, 2007, 12:36:52 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'164158\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 12:20 PM\']
And to add to the list of What's Wrong with Rossi, I don't really like him urging the contestant to buy an IB.  His job is only to present the offers and tempt the contestant, not try to ram it down the contestant's throat.[/quote]

Of course that's his job!  It's called Temptation.
Title: What if...?
Post by: Neumms on September 18, 2007, 12:45:42 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'164157\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 11:03 AM\']
I just figured out who Rossi reminds me of! (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre\")
[/quote]

That is hilariously and frighteningly accurate.

You know, we occasionally note that sets such as "That's the Question's" are too small, but it's a shame this one's so big that Rossi has to run around it like a kid graduating from 6th grade.
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 18, 2007, 12:56:42 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'164158\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 12:20 PM\']
And to add to the list of What's Wrong with Rossi, I don't really like him urging the contestant to buy an IB.  His job is only to present the offers and tempt the contestant, not try to ram it down the contestant's throat.  I don't care if Ginger Simpson told him otherwise.
[/quote]
And during the aftermath, the fact that he can't think of a half-decent ad-lib transition annoys me.

It's just "Okay/Oh no...didn't buy it! Nice work/would've been nice...Okaytimeforthespeedround!"

(And do we really need to play the theme song stinger just to play the Fame Game?)
Title: What if...?
Post by: Neumms on September 18, 2007, 01:00:11 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164165\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 11:56 AM\']
And during the aftermath, the fact that he can't think of a half-decent ad-lib transition annoys me.

It's just "Okay/Oh no...didn't buy it! Nice work/would've been nice...Okaytimeforthespeedround!"

(And do we really need to play the theme song stinger just to play the Fame Game?)
[/quote]

True! True! Geez, if the producers asked, I can't imagine the music house wouldn't have thrown in a couple of extra stingers just so they wouldn't burn the main one into the ground.
Title: What if...?
Post by: uncamark on September 18, 2007, 01:06:16 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'164166\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 12:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'164165\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 11:56 AM\']
And during the aftermath, the fact that he can't think of a half-decent ad-lib transition annoys me.

It's just "Okay/Oh no...didn't buy it! Nice work/would've been nice...Okaytimeforthespeedround!"

(And do we really need to play the theme song stinger just to play the Fame Game?)
[/quote]

True! True! Geez, if the producers asked, I can't imagine the music house wouldn't have thrown in a couple of extra stingers just so they wouldn't burn the main one into the ground.
[/quote]

And it's not like Rossi's walking a half-mile away from the podium--not to mention that Brad Kreisberg's doing a close-up of him all along, not a full set shot.  It doesn't need any music or canned applause at all, just follow Rossi walking back to the podium and setting up the next round.  Perhaps he said something like "well, you've turned down the Instant Bargain and kept your lead--*but* it is time for a speed round--can you keep your lead?"

Perhaps if Ginger had given him some tapes of Jim Perry to use as a reference--nah, wouldn't happen.
Title: What if...?
Post by: clemon79 on September 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'164161\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 09:45 AM\']
You know, we occasionally note that sets such as "That's the Question's" are too small, but it's a shame this one's so big that Rossi has to run around it like a kid graduating from 6th grade.
[/quote]
Oh, and let me comment on this, too. It looks really idiotic when Rossi does the open from "Shopper's Paradise" (insert universal "handjob" jesture here), it goes through the little opening animation and theme, and ONLY WHEN IT WIPES BACK does he bolt to the podium. I know most people aren't gonna notice this, but the vibe I get is that he was standing there like an idiot at center stage waiting for a cue for those fifteen seconds. Which he was, but I'm not supposed to know that. When Ed and Livinia did it, they would hit their cue, and start walking over during the opening theme, so that when it wipes back, they're taking the last couple steps, and it looked FAR more natural. Rossi makes me think of Dylan Lane's little move to the Instant Reaction Cocktail Table.
Title: What if...?
Post by: TimK2003 on September 18, 2007, 01:16:44 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'164157\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 12:03 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'164146\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 06:17 AM\']
(Wouldn't kill him to show some emotion either.)
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I just figured out who Rossi reminds me of! (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre\")

/more money than you could *possibly* *imagine!*
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Don was one of  the Worst of the infomercial hosts of their day.

Everytime I watched Mr. Lapre, I'd get seasick cause his infomercials always used a handheld camera that could never hold still!

Thank goodness our stations picked up Crosswords instead!!!
Title: What if...?
Post by: Neumms on September 18, 2007, 01:50:04 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'164171\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 12:12 PM\']
It looks really idiotic when Rossi does the open from "Shopper's Paradise" (insert universal "handjob" jesture here), it goes through the little opening animation and theme, and ONLY WHEN IT WIPES BACK does he bolt to the podium. . . Rossi makes me think of Dylan Lane's little move to the Instant Reaction Cocktail Table.
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And why the hell do they even have the Shopper's Paradise/Super Knock Off/Instant Reaction Cocktail Table when half the time they don't even stand there! And when they do stand there, a male contestant is way too tall for it because Rossi looks to be about 5' 2"! And why does the word "Temptation" on it face the audience when (a) there isn't an audience and (b) the camera's never shooting from that direction!

Augh!
Title: What if...?
Post by: BrandonFG on September 18, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'164178\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 01:50 PM\']
And why the hell do they even have the Shopper's Paradise/Super Knock Off/Instant Reaction Cocktail Table when half the time they don't even stand there! And when they do stand there, a male contestant is way too tall for it because Rossi looks to be about 5' 2"! And why does the word "Temptation" on it face the audience when (a) there isn't an audience and (b) the camera's never shooting from that direction!
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And that reminds me of the arrangement of Rossi's main game podium. It should look somewhat parallel to his backdrop, and instead, the backdrop and podium form what look like a 60-degree-angle. I don't know if it's the set design or the camera blocking, but watch next time, and the podium arrangement look extremely awkward, at least compared to the contestant area set-up.

/That should be basic set design 101.
Title: What if...?
Post by: tpirfan28 on September 18, 2007, 02:18:10 PM
I think it's for the uber-(not)cool shot of him and the DisOrDat screen.  Looks like the camera is shooting across the top of his lecturn podium* to the board.

*If this were J!, I would use lecturn, since it's a formal term.

Edit:

100,001 Big Board Reply!!!!!oneone11!!!!!!!!!

/as it reads now...it's probably been more than that
//I felt like celebrating
///now back to regular programming.
Title: What if...?
Post by: MikeK on September 18, 2007, 06:38:29 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'164178\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 01:50 PM\']And why the hell do they even have the Shopper's Paradise/Super Knock Off/Instant Reaction Cocktail Table when half the time they don't even stand there! And when they do stand there, a male contestant is way too tall for it because Rossi looks to be about 5' 2"! And why does the word "Temptation" on it face the audience when (a) there isn't an audience and (b) the camera's never shooting from that direction![/quote]
<Seinfeld> And why do you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? </Seinfeld>

Maybe the powers that be could get a pallet of unsold SeenOnTemptation.com merchandise for Rossi to stand upon?
Title: What if...?
Post by: Joe Mello on September 18, 2007, 07:00:34 PM
[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'164218\' date=\'Sep 18 2007, 06:38 PM\']<Seinfeld> And why do you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? </Seinfeld>[/quote]
I thought that was Carlin, but at this point it probably doesn't matter.

/Is Rich Fields a hippy-dippy weatherman?
//Or just dippy?
Title: What if...?
Post by: TLEberle on September 18, 2007, 10:30:33 PM
It's time for another episode of That Dog Won't Hunt, with your host, me.

[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'164131\' date=\'Sep 17 2007, 08:13 PM\']
When comparing the Vault to Instant Cash, there's hardly any risk.  If a "good" payout is anything with at least four digits, there is a substantially greater chance of getting that than something less than good.  [/quote] So, wait a minute. You're going to define the terms and then claim victory?

Nuh-uh.

Is $1,000 good money for free? Absolutely. But when your cash jackpot just disappeared because you dove into the Vault and then lost by $14, even $9,650 doesn't sound so great. That's where the tension is. And it belongs as the last temptation of the day, not the first. There's always a risk to play. That's the point of the whole show. And I question your threshold of $1,000 as a "good" payout: many Vault players have groaned at sums of $2,000 that come up. And some are happy to win that. It's all perspective.

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Yes, I know that you're just as likely to get $8 as you are $8,000, but there doesn't seem to be as much potential for Buyer's Remorse.
I have no idea what you mean here. Like I said, if you win, well, then you were right to play anyhow. If you lost, then at least you have some cash. Better to lose and take home some goodies than to lose with just the fountain pen.

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What I don't like about the endgame is that it's non-discriminatory.  I do like it has risk (unlike the Winner's Board), but if I'm averaging $100 a day, I should be able to get more than someone averaging $60 a day.  Also, I'd rather have a bonus game that serves me now rather than possibly serve me later.
I get what you're saying, and you finally have a good point here, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a fairly minor knock for me.

If you're averaging $100 a day, maybe you ought to be spending up in the Gift Shop, eh?