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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: kenbob_clarker on August 05, 2007, 03:02:20 PM
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First post in a while; hello again!
I was thinking about some random things driving home from church this morning, and one that happened to pass through my head was, how and why did the master copies of the ABC version of Break the Bank survive? Didn't ABC destroy most of their game shows from the 70s? What made BTB so special?
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[quote name=\'kenbob_clarker\' post=\'159681\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 02:02 PM\']
First post in a while; hello again!
I was thinking about some random things driving home from church this morning, and one that happened to pass through my head was, how and why did the master copies of the ABC version of Break the Bank survive? Didn't ABC destroy most of their game shows from the 70s? What made BTB so special?
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I think Barry and Enright saved just about all of their shows (from TJW on), so this, obviously, would be no exception.
Let's Make a Deal is another example of an ABC game that was saved (for the most part) by its producer.
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Hm... I thought that Goodson-Todman tried to save all their shows too, but ABC Password was destroyed nonetheless.
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[quote name=\'kenbob_clarker\' post=\'159684\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 03:40 PM\']
Hm... I thought that Goodson-Todman tried to save all their shows too, but ABC Password was destroyed nonetheless.
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And so was Showoffs, for that matter.
I'm not sure. Must have been some different circumstances that I hadn't known.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'159686\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 03:49 PM\']
And so was Showoffs, for that matter.
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Was the deletion of Showoffs ever confirmed? And also for that matter, Mindreaders?
/I think I'm the only one who likes Mindreaders...
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'159689\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 03:15 PM\']
/I think I'm the only one who likes Mindreaders...
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Nah, it was okay. Not great, but okay. Power of 10 is actually looking like a modern descendant of Mindreaders, no? I didn't know that Mindreaders was thought to be destroyed...
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[quote name=\'kenbob_clarker\' post=\'159694\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 01:33 PM\']
I didn't know that Mindreaders was thought to be destroyed...
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It's not really "thought" so much as "hoped"...
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[quote name=\'kenbob_clarker\' post=\'159694\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 04:33 PM\']
I didn't know that Mindreaders was thought to be destroyed...
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At the very least, it's missing in action. Here's Mandel Ilagan talking about not finding it in the vault when doing research for "Game Show Moments Gone Bananas."
The post (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9816&st=42&p=109091&#entry109091\")
-Jason
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'159683\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 02:08 PM\']
Let's Make a Deal is another example of an ABC game that was saved (for the most part) by its producer.
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I thought much of the daytime LMaD run was gone (and that the LMaD eps GSN runs with the "ABC Films" credit were either ABC prime-time episodes or early syndie shows--later syndie shows of course had the "WorldVision" logo).
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'159733\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'159683\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 02:08 PM\']
Let's Make a Deal is another example of an ABC game that was saved (for the most part) by its producer.
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I thought much of the daytime LMaD run was gone (and that the LMaD eps GSN runs with the "ABC Films" credit were either ABC prime-time episodes or early syndie shows--later syndie shows of course had the "WorldVision" logo).
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This brings up a question...I'm guessing the 1980 run* exists, but is there any reason why it's never shown up in the rerun packages of the last 25 years? Different syndicators makes a little sense, but Worldvision syndicated the 70s stuff and Telepictures in the 80s.
*Yes, I'm talking about that version again.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159735\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'159733\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:16 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'159683\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 02:08 PM\']
Let's Make a Deal is another example of an ABC game that was saved (for the most part) by its producer.
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I thought much of the daytime LMaD run was gone (and that the LMaD eps GSN runs with the "ABC Films" credit were either ABC prime-time episodes or early syndie shows--later syndie shows of course had the "WorldVision" logo).
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This brings up a question...I'm guessing the 1980 run* exists, but is there any reason why it's never shown up in the rerun packages of the last 25 years? Different syndicators makes a little sense, but Worldvision syndicated the 70s stuff and Telepictures in the 80s.
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Perhaps different ownership, possibly related to the fact that it wasn't solely a Hatos-Hall production?
If true, that would explain the absence of not only the 1980 version from rerun packages, but the 1990 version as well; Catalena Productions co-produced the former and, IIRC, the latter was produced by Ron Greenberg and Dick Clark.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'159735\' date=\'Aug 5 2007, 11:30 PM\']
This brings up a question...I'm guessing the 1980 run* exists, but is there any reason why it's never shown up in the rerun packages of the last 25 years? Different syndicators makes a little sense, but Worldvision syndicated the 70s stuff and Telepictures in the 80s.
*Yes, I'm talking about that version again. [/quote]
Wasn't that the cheapest version? I've seen listings on sites where the big deal was worth in the $4,000 range usually...Maybe that has something to do with it?
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I always find it interesting what exists and doesn't exist from that era. While I'm glad that Break the Bank exists, it's surprising that shows like The Better Sex, which actually came after BTB, don't seem to be around (except for scattered episodes).
Since Barry-Enright was good at saving their shows, maybe they requested the masters from ABC soon after cancellation. But even if that was the case, you'd figure they'd have done the same with The Joker's Wild too - but for almost 3 decades the first two years of the CBS run were thought to be destroyed.
You'd still have to wonder why Goodson didn't grab his ABC stuff from that era...maybe he mistakenly thought masters were being saved by the network and he could get them anytime(?)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160281\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 07:47 PM\']
I always find it interesting what exists and doesn't exist from that era. While I'm glad that Break the Bank exists, it's surprising that shows like The Better Sex, which actually came after BTB, don't seem to be around (except for scattered episodes).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORN that the entire run of The Better Sex exists in GSN's vault.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'160286\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 10:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160281\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 07:47 PM\']
I always find it interesting what exists and doesn't exist from that era. While I'm glad that Break the Bank exists, it's surprising that shows like The Better Sex, which actually came after BTB, don't seem to be around (except for scattered episodes).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORN that the entire run of The Better Sex exists in GSN's vault.
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Based on what, out of curiosity?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'160288\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 09:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'160286\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 10:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160281\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 07:47 PM\']
I always find it interesting what exists and doesn't exist from that era. While I'm glad that Break the Bank exists, it's surprising that shows like The Better Sex, which actually came after BTB, don't seem to be around (except for scattered episodes).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORN that the entire run of The Better Sex exists in GSN's vault.
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Based on what, out of curiosity?
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No, based on a list that was on the internet a while back that listed every game show and its level of existence.
Ah, here it is. (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2776/gslista-m.html\")
But now that it's been updated, it says the status is unknown, but that it has aired on GSN.
Here's N-Z (http://\"http://members.fortunecity.com/gameshowplaza/sln-z.htm\"), too, for anyone interested.
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But now that it's been updated, it says the status is unknown, but that it has aired on GSN.
Exactly 2 episodes of The Better Sex have been run on GSN, and 2 others exist in the trade curcuit. Considering that GSN has run almost every other GT show they have, including many short-lived shows, I think it's safe to assume that they don't have the entire run of this.
One of the episodes they have they've actually run twice - once on the old Wide World of Games, and another time when they aired shows "that we have stored away in our vault". If they had more than 2 airable episodes, it's interesting that they chose to repeat one they had previously aired rather than running a different one.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'160312\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 07:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'160288\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 09:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'160286\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 10:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160281\' date=\'Aug 11 2007, 07:47 PM\']
I always find it interesting what exists and doesn't exist from that era. While I'm glad that Break the Bank exists, it's surprising that shows like The Better Sex, which actually came after BTB, don't seem to be around (except for scattered episodes).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORN that the entire run of The Better Sex exists in GSN's vault.
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Based on what, out of curiosity?
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No, based on a list that was on the internet a while back that listed every game show and its level of existence.
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Er... I didn't ask you if your belief arose out of curiosity, I was asking out of curiosity. (I don't even know how the former would occur.) But thank you for your answer nonetheless.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'160338\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 02:01 PM\']
But now that it's been updated, it says the status is unknown, but that it has aired on GSN.
Exactly 2 episodes of The Better Sex have been run on GSN, and 2 others exist in the trade curcuit. Considering that GSN has run almost every other GT show they have, including many short-lived shows, I think it's safe to assume that they don't have the entire run of this.
One of the episodes they have they've actually run twice - once on the old Wide World of Games, and another time when they aired shows "that we have stored away in our vault". If they had more than 2 airable episodes, it's interesting that they chose to repeat one they had previously aired rather than running a different one.
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Didn't I remember reading somewhere (here?) where someone had a copy their appearance on FF and the label was stuck over a TBS label? If that's the case, most likely the better part of TBS run ended up in the great recycler in the sky.
Even the episodes GSN does have look like they were copies and not originals (picture has that "fuzzy" look to them)
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'160404\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 07:29 AM\']
Even the episodes GSN does have look like they were copies and not originals (picture has that "fuzzy" look to them)
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My guess: Network airchecks. Even the later shows have that soft look and muddy sound. Compare that to, say, the "Love Connection" eps. GSN's airing [shot at ABC Hollywood around the same time]----there's a noticeable difference in quality.
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My guess: Network airchecks. Even the later shows have that soft look and muddy sound. Compare that to, say, the "Love Connection" eps. GSN's airing [shot at ABC Hollywood around the same time]----there's a noticeable difference in quality.
I certainly found that many of the late '70s $20,000 Pyramid episodes GSN ran also had a bit of a "muddy" look to them.
It's been said that the reason the ABC run of Newlywed Game hasn't been on GSN's regular schedule is because of "color deterioration" (something I still find hard to believe considering the good quality of ABC Dating Game episodes), but the ABC Newlywed Games that GSN did run looked a lot better than some of those Pyramid episodes.
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Is the CBS run of Tic Tac Dough still around? I was thinking since Barry&Enright seemed to do a good job holding on to their shows and CBS seems to have the highest survival rate of 70s daytime game shows among the three networks that they'd still be around but from what I saw on the survival list it says rumored to be lost. Also, I asume they never reaired on CBN, USA or GSN with the syndicated epiosdes.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'160462\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 07:56 PM\']
Is the CBS run of Tic Tac Dough still around? I was thinking since Barry&Enright seemed to do a good job holding on to their shows and CBS seems to have the highest survival rate of 70s daytime game shows among the three networks that they'd still be around but from what I saw on the survival list it says rumored to be lost. Also, I asume they never reaired on CBN, USA or GSN with the syndicated epiosdes.
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The only episodes I've seen on the trading circuit are from original broadcast.
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' post=\'160420\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 11:22 AM\']
My guess: Network airchecks. Even the later shows have that soft look and muddy sound. Compare that to, say, the "Love Connection" eps. GSN's airing [shot at ABC Hollywood around the same time]----there's a noticeable difference in quality.
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I can swear that, on a couple of occasions, GSN has accidentially shown commercials or parts of commercials from the period, further suggesting an aircheck origin.
Hasn't someone on this board spotted clips from CBS episodes of Tic Tac Dough being used by GSN?
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[quote name=\'RMF\' post=\'160476\' date=\'Aug 14 2007, 12:12 AM\']
I can swear that, on a couple of occasions, GSN has accidentially shown commercials or parts of commercials from the period, further suggesting an aircheck origin.
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They've shown a few from $20K Pyramid, Dawson's Feud, and TPiR, c. late-70s or early-80s.
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Hasn't someone on this board spotted clips from CBS episodes of Tic Tac Dough being used by GSN?
While I can't remember every post that's been made here, I don't recall that one. There are some differences, such as the use of lockout devices on certain questions, and a different end game, so if GSN had used some clips I think we'd have known about it.
The only episodes of the short CBS run known to be around are the first four episodes from original broadcast, and the copies in the trade curcuit are in poor quality.