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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: DoorNumberFour on July 27, 2007, 08:41:41 AM
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With all the shows that are being put on YouTube and other sites, and with the generosity Jamie Locklin shows on his site regarding rare shows and clips, is tape trading dead?
I, for one, think it's on its way out.
Our genre has become so much more accessible.
It's become so much easier to see a classic non-GSN game show without the money, time, or drama associated with tape trading.
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With regard to VHS tapes specifically, I think that is almost extinct.
Using DVDs is so much easier. You can pull specific titles from DVDs and copy them to another DVD in minutes without having to fast forward, actually pay attention and watch the shows to make sure you hit Record/Stop at the appropriate times.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'158809\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 05:41 AM\']
money, time, or drama associated with tape trading.
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Money and time have been solved with the move to DVD. "Dubbing" is now effectively a copy-paste operation to a 25-cent DVD that costs less than a buck to ship.
Drama was ALWAYS fixable: DON'T TRADE WITH THOSE PEOPLE. Unfortunately, watching on the periphery, I noticed that people would either a) not do their homework, and therefore know who not to do business with, b) be so desperate for something that they would make a shady deal anyhow, or c) be really stupid themselves.
It's like Walmart, man. You want Walmart to change their ways? DON'T SHOP AT WALMART.
And if you do, don't be surprised when the patio furniture you paid $19.88 for breaks.
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I know that with the accessibility to torrents and other downloadable game shows, my urge to tape trade for foreign shows, at least, is not nearly as much as it once was. If I really want to see an English-speaking international game show that is currently airing, there is almost always some way to get it via broadband.
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While torrents and downloads may eventually take over, I don't think tape trading's quite dead yet. There's still quite a number of desirable shows that aren't on the 'net (yet), so it will probably be around a while longer.
Many of my trades these days are via disc, but I'm still getting tape requests too from people who aren't set up on disc yet. Either's OK by me :)
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'158848\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 02:52 PM\']
While torrents and downloads may eventually take over, I don't think tape trading's quite dead yet. There's still quite a number of desirable shows that aren't on the 'net (yet), so it will probably be around a while longer.[/quote]
Exactly. It's a little like what Ebay has done to the collectible market in general. At first, back when the internet was new, GSN didn't exist and fans of shows were just starting to find one another, trading tapes was a thrilling way to rediscover the old shows. Nowadays, the novelty has worn off and the serious collectors -- at least those of you who post your massive collections on the internet -- all pretty much have whatever the other guy has, or at least as much of the other guy's collection as you want.
There's still stuff out there (the UCLA archive is proof of that) and eventually more and more of it will trickle out, but the days of people swapping dozens of shows at a time are probably over. Ironic, since the advent of recordable DVDs has made that very process so much faster and easier.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'158857\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 02:55 PM\']
There's still stuff out there (the UCLA archive is proof of that) and eventually more and more of it will trickle out, but the days of people swapping dozens of shows at a time are probably over. Ironic, since the advent of recordable DVDs has made that very process so much faster and easier.
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I'd like to think with the advent of the Internet, GS fans from abroad will surface and/or be located more easily, and we'll unearth a treasure trove of "Icelandic Talk About" or "Lithuanian Weakest Link". For those of us who enjoy the foreign stuff, our collections will hopefully expand.
I don't see YouTube being the end of trading. It's great for exposure to see shows, yes, but there's no guarantee of permanency, much less availability, to the online material. But thanks to YouTube, Now that I've *seen* Sudo-Q and "Golden Balls", I hope to find someone across the pond to trade with! :)
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I hope not. I got into trading relatively later (2004) compared to most people here. There's still a good number of shows I'm trying to find that aren't on YouTube or on torrents.
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Tape trading is not dead at all! Since probably the end of May, I have negotiated almost 120 hours of trades with 5 people, and have actually received about 60 of those hours thus far (as my trading partners and I have just barely started on the newer deals). At the beginning of July, I traded with a guy who had traded with 11 people I've never heard of before, and only 2 that I have!
As what many people say about records versus CDs, I believe there is a similar difference between VHS tapes versus DVDs. I'm not really a fan of DVD dubs unless the quality of the show is absolutely perfect and recorded in 2-hour or even 1-hour mode. And, while it is a priority for us all to phase out VHS, I still have a $350 VCR capable of repairing video signals, and you just can't do that very easily to something copied on a DVD. Thus, sometimes I insist people send me VHS dubs of things just so I can sit around & try to fix it. On the flip side, 2/3 of the 120 hours I'm sending out will be on DVDs.
Also, as I burn the DVDs, I rip them on my computer before I send them (2TB of space helps my cause a lot!) and that allows me to burn these episodes back to DVD from the computer instantly whenever someone else wants them, instead of having to do a real-time transfer from the player to the recorder. Someday, the future of "tape trading" might not involve anything physical at all; instead, traders might send these rips over a file transfer service such as AIM, and the recipient can burn it for themselves if they so desire.
About the drama too, I have seen many old tape trading pages dating back way before I started in January 2005, and it looks like the veterans really went through a lot of crap back then. Trade ratios on rare shows? Those are days long gone-by. Unscrupulous traders? I have yet to encounter a bad trader personally. Maybe some really slow ones, sure, but ultimately everyone has paid their end of the deal to me.
Finally, there are new game show fans born every day. Those of you who reached the 10,000-episode mark years ago may have lost enthusiasm, as it seems like it's very hard to come across anything else real interesting, but there are new traders (even myself, with just over 1,000 episodes) who desire to attain a collection similar in stature, and who don't yet have everything the big cats have but still really want it, and actively trade to try and get there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most of the people I have traded with are probably 17-25 years old, just as I am, and love to pursue the classics. There are at least a few kids younger than that who are doing as I did, taping stuff on GSN relentlessly, hoping the day will come soon that they can make a trade!
- Stephen "Chained to the VCR... or now, I guess, DVD recorder" Wylie
My Game Show (and trading) Page! (http://\"http://www.stev-o.us/interests/gs/\")
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I started trading in 2004 and in three years, I have gotten close to 2,000 shows.
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[quote name=\'mrcity\' post=\'159030\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 12:54 AM\']
Unscrupulous traders? I have yet to encounter a bad trader personally. Maybe some really slow ones, sure, but ultimately everyone has paid their end of the deal to me.
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Many of the bad traders didn't set out to cheat people; they just wanted to add to their collections and, when faced with the fact that they actually had to do something in return, didn't feel like putting in the effort. (Granted, you can argue the issue of intent -- especially when it happens, say, ten times -- but I would argue in return that some of them are so, er, intellectually challenged that they don't think they're doing anything wrong and don't see a pattern.) They now can get their fix by downloading.
The ones whose intent from the start is to cheat are another matter. When a Danny Voisine or Mark Raby makes a list of shows that he knows he doesn't have and never will have (as Danny and Mark both did), then creates other personalities to vouch for him (Danny) or fakes his own death to avoid sending anything out (Mark), he needs someone else to be involved, and scammed, in order to get his enjoyment. He knows that what he's doing is wrong and doesn't care, and he won't be satisfied with a download because no one's on the other end to get hurt.
I've been out of trading circles for some time and, given what's happened to trading in the interim, I'm not sure I'd be all that eager to get back in even if I had the time. These days I get my trading-related enjoyment from the abject morons who email me asking for a trade -- despite the fact that my page clearly says, and has said for some time, that I'm not trading at the moment -- and then, when I point that out, demand that I put them on my "waiting list" in case I ever get back to trading.
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I've been on the trading circuit since 2003 - and I have not only accumulated a nice collection of game shows from throughout the world - but also many, many friends - some of which I have actually met in person during my travels around the world. I have found it a very rewarding hobby, and as one of the very few traders from Down Under, have gained some memorable experiences from it - including visiting Hollywood to help out in the compilation of foreign material for a game show blooper special, meeting some fine quiz show champions, and even finding myself being thrust on the small screen to showcase my collection. I've never had any issues with bad traders - although I must admit I nearly found myself falling into that category with a trader because I inadvertedly lost the discs (at home) I was meant to send, and then forgot about it. I think all has been forgiven on that side of things.
I don't think tape trading will die, even with the age of high-speed internet and vodcasting. I will certainly keep on, until the interest wanes (if it ever does!)
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159041\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 06:32 AM\']
and he won't be satisfied with a download because no one's on the other end to get hurt.
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Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I think this is going a little far. I honestly can't imagine any bad trader who wouldn't be completely content to be a leech.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159055\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 11:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159041\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 06:32 AM\']
and he won't be satisfied with a download because no one's on the other end to get hurt.
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Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I think this is going a little far. I honestly can't imagine any bad trader who wouldn't be completely content to be a leech.
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I think Mark Raby in particular gets some perverse joy out of scamming people beyond actually getting the tapes. Heck, he knew I wasn't going to trade with him and that he wasn't going to be let back onto our board, and he still wrote long, detailed emails to me about having multiple nonexistent illnesses that supposedly "made" him do what he did. Some of the stories I've heard about Danny Voisine suggest a similar pattern.
Obviously I think this is is a small minority, but it's there nonetheless. The rest don't try coming up with the elaborate stories until after they get their tapes; since only then do they decide to scam, they don't put a lot of effort into planning their excuses and said excuses are a great deal more hilarious as a result. ;-)
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159057\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 12:15 PM\']
Obviously I think this is is a small minority, but it's there nonetheless. The rest don't try coming up with the elaborate stories until after they get their tapes; since only then do they decide to scam, they don't put a lot of effort into planning their excuses and said excuses are a great deal more hilarious as a result. ;-)
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I don't mean to get all psychological, but I'm reminded of a fellow over at the Internet Movie Database who has a reputation for posting user comments about long-lost movies that he couldn't possibly have seen. That he's also posted about long-ago TV shows which even I remember shows he's capable of being truthful, but I suspect he gets some perverse pleasure in fantasizing that he's seen movies that no one else in the present day has. Maybe the same dynamic is at work with traders who claim to possess items no one else has in their collections.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159057\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 09:15 AM\']
I think Mark Raby in particular gets some perverse joy out of scamming people beyond actually getting the tapes. Heck, he knew I wasn't going to trade with him and that he wasn't going to be let back onto our board, and he still wrote long, detailed emails to me about having multiple nonexistent illnesses that supposedly "made" him do what he did. Some of the stories I've heard about Danny Voisine suggest a similar pattern.
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Okay, well, now you're saying "I think" instead of flat-out reporting it as fact, which is what you did above.
Not saying Raby isn't a dick, and I don't even know who Vosine is, but you of all people should know to stay away from teh libel, ya know?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159060\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 12:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159057\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 09:15 AM\']
I think Mark Raby in particular gets some perverse joy out of scamming people beyond actually getting the tapes. Heck, he knew I wasn't going to trade with him and that he wasn't going to be let back onto our board, and he still wrote long, detailed emails to me about having multiple nonexistent illnesses that supposedly "made" him do what he did. Some of the stories I've heard about Danny Voisine suggest a similar pattern.
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Okay, well, now you're saying "I think" instead of flat-out reporting it as fact, which is what you did above.
Not saying Raby isn't a dick, and I don't even know who Vosine is, but you of all people should know to stay away from teh libel, ya know?
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You said "unless (I) have evidence to the contrary," and I just told you about the evidence. If that's not satisfactory for you, so be it.
Ever since someone back in ATGS defended Zach Horan against a specific allegation of trolling after I'd posted the evidence and after Zach had admitted to it, I've recognized that some people won't be convinced no matter what. Again, so be it.
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[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'159059\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 12:39 PM\']
I don't mean to get all psychological,
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That's okay -- you're talking to someone who's minored in psych and taught it. :-)
but I'm reminded of a fellow over at the Internet Movie Database who has a reputation for posting user comments about long-lost movies that he couldn't possibly have seen. That he's also posted about long-ago TV shows which even I remember shows he's capable of being truthful, but I suspect he gets some perverse pleasure in fantasizing that he's seen movies that no one else in the present day has. Maybe the same dynamic is at work with traders who claim to possess items no one else has in their collections.
All I can say in response to this is that in my Abnormal Psych classes, we discussed people who think they have every disease there is (hypochondria), and people who try to give others diseases so they can get attention for themselves (Munchausen syndrome by proxy), but pretending to have diseases that no one else has would be a new one on me.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159061\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 10:00 AM\']
You said "unless (I) have evidence to the contrary," and I just told you about the evidence. If that's not satisfactory for you, so be it.
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I honestly really don't care either way. My point is merely that it was an unfounded accusation, reported as fact, based on your opinion, based in turn on what appears to be circumstantial evidence. Now, you can do that if you want, but I think as a mod you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
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or fakes his own death to avoid sending anything out (Mark)
Ah yes...I STILL feel stupid for falling for that 4 years later. But I did get him back...and good...
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159065\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 10:24 AM\']
But I did get him back...and good...
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Do tell?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'159064\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 01:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159061\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 10:00 AM\']
You said "unless (I) have evidence to the contrary," and I just told you about the evidence. If that's not satisfactory for you, so be it.
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I honestly really don't care either way. My point is merely that it was an unfounded accusation, based on your opinion, based in turn on what appears to be circumstantial evidence. Now, you can do that if you want, but I think as a mod you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
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Well, there is other evidence too... Raby claimed to at least five people that he'd obtained the Malcolm pilot on tape from a source other than Mike Klauss, and repeatedly insisted that he was under orders not to disclose the source's name. It turned out that the "source" was a PC-to-TV converter; he'd simply downloaded the pilot from Mike's site and played it on his PC while his VCR recorded what was going to his monitor. He wasn't asking for anything in return for it -- he knew that anyone who wanted it could have downloaded it himself -- so it's hard to see what his motivation could have been other than taking pleasure in the scam itself.
That notwithstanding, I wholeheartedly agree that people shouldn't be accused of doing things withoout proper proof. However, no one's arguing about what Raby and Voisine did or even their intent to cheat people, only the deeper motivation behind that intent, and there's evidence for that as well. Is Raby evil? Clearly not. Am I out of line suggesting some deep-seated psychological issues beyond leeching? I don't think so.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'159068\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 10:41 AM\']
so it's hard to see what his motivation could have been other than taking pleasure in the scam itself.
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He could just as easily be a pathological liar (well, we *know* he's that, but stay with me) who tosses morals out the window in the name of building his collection. As in, no, he wasn't screwing someone for the sake of screwing them, he was screwing them in the name of his own personal gain.
I realized you're convinced otherwise, and that's fine, but still. Just a personal thing, but I like to be sure I have ABSOLUTE IRREFUTABLE PROOF before I say something like that.
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Either Danny or Mark -- or maybe even a third miscreant -- went to a great amount of trouble creating fictional episodes of Cross-Wits that were seeded into an otherwise ordinary looking tape-trading webpage. (Seems like there might have been one or two other fictional "gems" on the page as well.) He listed celebrity groupings just rational enough to be believed, including "theme weeks" that would have made perfect sense, such as several all-game-show panels. (Although one of his more fanciful listings, featuring an all-black panel, probably wouldn't have gone over well with some of the southern affiliates back in 1975.) He got my attention by listing Bill Cullen as the guests for some of the episodes, when I knew he didn't appear in them. Unfortunately, some of his false information has seeped into several wikis about the show.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159073\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 02:31 PM\']
Either Danny or Mark -- or maybe even a third miscreant -- went to a great amount of trouble creating fictional episodes of Cross-Wits that were seeded into an otherwise ordinary looking tape-trading webpage.
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That was Danny. Mark claimed to have (among other things) episodes of Dough Re Mi, two more episodes of the WoF Host Week, the Money Maze premiere, and an ep of TPIR with Shower Game.
If I recall correctly, someone did a comparison of Danny's page to other trade sites and found that some of Danny's nonexistent Cross-Wits panels were in fact real panels from other celebrity game shows of the time.
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Do tell?
If you may remember, I naively fell for his schemes of tape trading, and after quite some time waiting, I started to ask for the tapes. His "mother" then emailed me saying that Mark had passed away after a "long illness" or the like. I (rather stupidly) fell for his ploy, and posted it on this board. After some help from a wise quizmaster, it was determined that his "obit" was fake, and I had been had. To get him back, I sent a sympathy card to his parents apologizing for their sons' death.
I recieved the tapes a week later.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159076\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 11:48 AM\']
To get him back, I sent a sympathy card to his parents apologizing for their sons' death.
I recieved the tapes a week later.
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Dude, that is friggin' MASTERFUL. :)
My doffed hat, let me show it to you.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' post=\'159076\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 02:48 PM\']If you may remember, I naively fell for his schemes of tape trading, and after quite some time waiting, I started to ask for the tapes. His "mother" then emailed me saying that Mark had passed away after a "long illness" or the like. I (rather stupidly) fell for his ploy, and posted it on this board. After some help from a wise quizmaster, it was determined that his "obit" was fake, and I had been had. To get him back, I sent a sympathy card to his parents apologizing for their sons' death.
I recieved the tapes a week later.[/quote]
Indeed, a wonderful postscript to the saga, which is not included on this thread (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=431\"), one of the earliest from our then-new Invision home (which is why some of the posts are vacant and oddly configured). Mark is using two different accounts, both pretending to be his own brother, trying to convince us of his untimely passing. I honestly can't remember how it is that I figured him out so quickly. David hadn't joined us as a moderator yet, so it would have had to be something really obvious, like using an e-mail account that he had used to contact me personally.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'159097\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 01:23 PM\']
(which is why some of the posts are vacant and oddly configured).
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This is a function of Invision + Firefox, I have found. Anytime I read a thread with posts below #15,000 or so, I find that my own posts in that thread are vacant. Open the thread in IE and it works just fine. Annoying as hell...I wish Invision would come up with some kind of tool they can run on our database that fixes that.
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Either Danny or Mark -- or maybe even a third miscreant -- went to a great amount of trouble creating fictional episodes of Cross-Wits that were seeded into an otherwise ordinary looking tape-trading webpage. (Seems like there might have been one or two other fictional "gems" on the page as well.)
Indeed there were...I also recall seeing anohter NBC Jackpot, an ep from that Armed Forces Week of Woolery WoF (which was plugged by Chuck @ the end of that ep where Tom Kennedy plays...coincidence??), as well as one from that week Alex Trebek guest-hosted, the next-to-last Gambit, the Split Second 1st anniversary show (a pic of which appears in the 1st ed. EoTVGS...again, coincidence??) and other rarities.
A closer look @ his "list" reveals a few discrepancies, however:
- Listing the "$10K Fishbowl" ep of Trebek HR and the finale as 2 separate shows when they were one in the same
- Claiming to have a Martindale HR ep where Dean Goss introduces the show as "Hair Rollers"...this was actually a rehearsal for the final ep, video of which John Ricci posted on his site awhile back
- Laying claim to the "entire premiere week" of the orig. BtC (my personal fave: When asked how this was possible, since it was a weekly show, he said he had 5 copies of the premiere!)
He listed celebrity groupings just rational enough to be believed, including "theme weeks" that would have made perfect sense, such as several all-game-show panels. (Although one of his more fanciful listings, featuring an all-black panel, probably wouldn't have gone over well with some of the southern affiliates back in 1975.) He got my attention by listing Bill Cullen as the guests for some of the episodes, when I knew he didn't appear in them. Unfortunately, some of his false information has seeped into several wikis about the show.
Actually, I went to the trouble of "de-Voisinizing" the CW Wiki entry, removing the incorrect info that was orig. posted to his lame CW page...the info now seen there about the GS host weeks in the 4th and 5th seasons is not a Voisine lie, they were added by yours truly after reading about them on this forum. :-) Ditto the comment about Kitty Hilton running the board for a week while Jerri Fiala played as a celeb, that info came from Kitty's ex-husband, Bob...maybe you know of him? LOL
And as if the lies about his collection weren't bad enough, the crap he tried to pull when people started hounding him was far worse:
- Using some twisted logic, claiming that those he dealt with had already recieved their tapes and were just trying to railroad him (yeah, we do that all the time)
- Playing God w/his nonexistent shows, claiming that he was in control because of the clout these rarities supposedly gave him
- The invention of "Phil Newport" and "Alice Foster", who claimed they had access to Danny's records and knew said traders had gotten their tapes, as well as telling them how lucky they were to be trading w/him
Generally speaking, those who really do have such rarities in their holdings are waiting to be discovered and/or completely unaware of the market for their gems...I had several such experiences myself, which helped get countless more rarities out there (NBC games from 79-81, Cullen Pyramid, The $128K Question, 70s Treasure Hunt, Denny TPiR, etc.)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Well, that's pretty wild that people pulled all that stuff in the past!
I guess I do kinda have a story about a bad trader, and although he never pulled anything on me, he was more than happy to take advantage of the naive! In trading with someone else, he assumed an alias, but still used the same email address he had previously used under his real name. Then, he faked the alias' death and made up a completely ridiculous story that most any normal person would have dismissed as complete hogwash! The guy ended up believing all of this, and proceeds to post on G-R about how he's not going to get the 9 hours of game shows owed to him.
Here is the link (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1212&forum=15&post_id=20537#forumpost20537\") to the G-R posting. It obviously didn't last long!
In the end, it looks like David didn't get much sympathy from the board, and Justin's outlandish story still makes me laugh to this day.
- Stephen
Mr. City's Game Show Site (http://\"http://www.stev-o.us/interests/gs/\")
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Being one of the lucky few scammed by the aforementioned Voisine, I have many a story to tell. If it weren't on a former computer, I would quote verbatim from his emails, however from memory the best nuggets er Whoppers were
Upon finding 3 tapes full of Cross Wits at an estate sale, he called Ralph Edwards productions and personally asked permission to trade the episodes. Voisine claimed Ralph himself not only took the time to personally speak to him, but send him more episodes from his personal collection along with old episodes of the Peoples Court.
Claiming that the museum of TV and Radio allowed him to dub copies of many shows at no cost, because he was active military(see below) .
Claiming that he had letters from Fed Ex stating that I had not one, but two batches of tapes he had sent me. And, that his friends (that Chuck mentioned above) Alice and Philip also received the letters.
Claiming he had a mental illness and didnt know who I even was.
Claiming (in his original emails to me) that he was active military, a SGT I believe.
Once exposed as a fraud, he claimed that he would have military police arrest me for harassment if I continued to ask about the tapes.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'158822\' date=\'Jul 27 2007, 10:51 AM\']
I know that with the accessibility to torrents and other downloadable game shows, my urge to tape trade for foreign shows, at least, is not nearly as much as it once was. If I really want to see an English-speaking international game show that is currently airing, there is almost always some way to get it via broadband.
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That's true, with UKNova nearly everything is uploaded these days, even some old stuff (Adventure Game, Treasure Hunt etc...) but not everybody has access to the site, while YouTube is limited to ten minutes. Also I have a very handy contact in Europe who sent me shows from France (1 Vs 100 & WoF) and Holland (Miljoenenjacht, Een tegen 100) but you cannot find them on torrents these days. Also with the move of the two major Postcode Lottery shows moving to RTL, they won't be available online to watch (unless that changes).
I would say tape trading is dead but in the form of using VHS but trading is still alive via DVD, much easier to produce and convert. Even duplicating a four hour DVD can take only 20-25 minutes.
I've read your request Matthew regarding Sudo-Q and GoldenBalls. I have got your email and will contact to sort something out.
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Reviving this thread: Tape trading won't die as long as people have the experience I've had this weekend. My discs are coming up "unsupported format," "fail," "invalid disc," depending on which machine I use to attempt to view them. In some cases, the tapes were made only last year. That never happened with VHS!
Anyone know how I can retrieve shows like this?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'174014\' date=\'Jan 6 2008, 12:14 PM\']
Reviving this thread: Tape trading won't die as long as people have the experience I've had this weekend.
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Yes, because videotapes have never gotten eaten beyond repair. Come on, man.
Anyone know how I can retrieve shows like this?
Does a computer DVD drive still read them? Rip the VOBs and reburn, I would think.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'174014\' date=\'Jan 6 2008, 03:14 PM\'] Reviving this thread: Tape trading won't die as long as people have the experience I've had this weekend. My discs are coming up "unsupported format," "fail," "invalid disc," depending on which machine I use to attempt to view them. In some cases, the tapes were made only last year. That never happened with VHS!
Anyone know how I can retrieve shows like this? [/quote]
Doesn't it depend on the brand? I've heard that expensive brands of discs tend to last longer than the cheap brands (Like no name brands you find at dollar stores.)
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i started trading in 2005 and i got lots of tapes since then.
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[quote name=\'JacksonBrowne1980\' post=\'174019\' date=\'Jan 6 2008, 12:27 PM\']
i started trading in 2005 and i got lots of tapes since then.
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Best. Post. Evar.
/not really
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I have amassed a great collection of stuff -- mostly my own, mostly from friends who were willing to give me stuff for free. However, because I don't know how to dub with a VCR (I tried it with six different VCRs and nothing worked), I never could tape trade. Furthermore, my tapes all got shuffled a year ago when we moved, so God knows what I did with that premiere ep of the 70s version of You Don't Say!, or the Showdown pilot... or those Classic Concentration credits I found on a tape that I got at a yard sale...