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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: curtking on May 29, 2007, 10:01:35 AM
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Endemol is producing a show in the Netherlands (debuts Friday night) which will feature contestants competing to receive a donated kidney. The donor is terminally ill and will make the selection herself:
BBC Article on End-Em-All's New Show (http://\"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6699847.stm\")
Stay classy, Endemol!
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[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'153667\' date=\'May 29 2007, 09:01 AM\'] Endemol is producing a show in the Netherlands (debuts Friday night) which will feature contestants competing to receive a donated kidney. The donor is terminally ill and will make the selection herself:
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A television contest in which the losing participants may very well die as a result. Absolutely wonderful. You know, until now, my gripe with Endemol were limited to their mediocre-to-awful formats, desire to have caricatures as contestants instead of actual people (the networks really helped on this one), ADHD-inspired production quality, and just in-general urinating on the genre.
But garbage like this is a wholly different animal - this isn't some harmless little game where the winner goes home with a wad of cash and the loser gets Turtle Wax and Lee Press-On Nails - this is giving the winner a kidney transplant, and possibly condeming the losers to death. There are so many things I could call this concept of a show, but for the benefit of those who abstain from the profane, I'll simply say - it's sick. Absolutely sick.
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I heard about this show on the news this morning. While it probably looked good on paper, it doesn't translate well, at all.
There are words I want to say about this show, but it'd probably get me banned. So I won't.
Good f'in job.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153669\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:11 AM\']
There are words I want to say about this show, but it'd probably get me banned. So I won't.
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After hearing Mike Klauss's story of the DoND audience member with diabetes, I thought that the company couldn't sink any lower. I was wrong.
I'm really, really tempted to open a special no-holds-barred subforum for venting at Endemol.
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Queen For A Day doesn't seem so bad now.
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Hey Endemol, what's next? A game show where the losers are shot?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153669\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:11 AM\']
I heard about this show on the news this morning. While it probably looked good on paper,[/quote]
I fail to see any scenario where that even looks good on paper.
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How long before one of the US networks tries to pick this up. (rolls eyes)
This makes "Who's Your Daddy" look somewhat respectable.
[quote name=\''curtking'\']
Stay classy, Endemol!
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Heh...I'm thinking of another Ron Burgundy sign-off for Endemol.
/The one that got him fired.
//And hated by most of San Diego.
///Scotch-scotch-scotch!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153680\' date=\'May 29 2007, 11:57 AM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153669\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:11 AM\']
I heard about this show on the news this morning. While it probably looked good on paper,[/quote]
I fail to see any scenario where that even looks good on paper.
[/quote]When the paper just said "NEW REALITY GAME SHOW IDEA" and nothing else.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153684\' date=\'May 29 2007, 12:48 PM\']
How long before one of the US networks tries to pick this up. (rolls eyes)
[/quote]Fox hasn't had an Endemol production yet, have they?
Heh...I'm thinking of another Ron Burgundy sign-off for Endemol.
/The one that got him fired.
//And hated by most of San Diego.
///Scotch-scotch-scotch!
If they decide to make a "no holds barred" subtopic for ranting about Endemol, then I'll make that my first post. Might even make it my sig before then.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'153668\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:09 AM\']But garbage like this is a wholly different animal - this isn't some harmless little game where the winner goes home with a wad of cash and the loser gets Turtle Wax and Lee Press-On Nails - this is giving the winner a kidney transplant, and possibly condeming the losers to death. There are so many things I could call this concept of a show, but for the benefit of those who abstain from the profane, I'll simply say - it's sick. Absolutely sick.[/quote]Except for one thing; I'm going to guess that the losers are still on the waiting list, and they still would be even if they hadn't signed up. So they're no worse off than they were before. And one person does get a transplant, so there is that. There are more than enough people adding gas to the fire in Europe, so I'm not going to jump in the fray.
Make no mistake, I don't like the idea, and I'm completely unsurprised that it's Endemol that came up with the program. The best idea, which I'm sure never even entered the thoughts of those involved, would be something along the lines of a documentary detailing the problem, which is a grave one. Show the audience who benefits from the donation, and implore more people to sign up.
To sum up: noble idea, really really bad execution.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'153686\' date=\'May 29 2007, 12:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'153684\' date=\'May 29 2007, 12:48 PM\']
How long before one of the US networks tries to pick this up. (rolls eyes)
[/quote]Fox hasn't had an Endemol production yet, have they?[/quote]
It's not a rip-off of any current show, so Murdoch would want no part of it.
Hey Endemol, what's next? A game show where the losers are shot?
Have you read Chuck Barris's new book (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Big-Question-Television-Confessions-Dangerous/dp/141653525X\")?
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'153675\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:58 AM\']
Hey Endemol, what's next? A game show where the losers are shot?
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They'd have to buy the rights of the concept from Chuck Barris!!!
Joe Mello beat me to the punch!
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What's the big deal? It's the donor's kidney and "Lisa" can do with it as she pleases. To me, it doesn't seem much different than that basketball player who got a kidney(?), basically jumping the list and taking away an organ from someone who wasn't a "celebrity."
Besides...it's been done. there was a show in The Netherlands (IIRC) where the winner of a "Queen For A Day" contest received some sort of experimental cancer drug. Taking it down one peg, Venezuela (Colombia?) had that game show where the winner got a government job (when people were begging for jobs, the unemployment rate was so high).
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[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'153667\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:01 AM\']
Endemol is producing a show in the Netherlands (debuts Friday night) which will feature contestants competing to receive a donated kidney. The donor is terminally ill.[/quote]
There, Fixed That For Ya!
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[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'153697\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:46 AM\']
What's the big deal? It's the donor's kidney and "Lisa" can do with it as she pleases.[/quote]
"These ten people need a new kidney, or they will die. Week by week, "Lisa" will eliminate these people, condemning them to possible death, until only one is left.
"Ten people on their death bed. One will rise as they become...THE PHOENIX."
You don't have a problem with that? Yeah, she can do what she wants with it, but you don't think that basically putting it up for auction (essentially what this is: "who's willing to prostitute themselves enough for me to give them my kidney!") isn't a LITTLE morally tasteless?
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If it gets big ratings, Endemol and other production companies could revise some classic formats for the medically desperate
The Lung Connection
Break The Blood Bank
Eye Rollers
Wheel of Dialysis
I've Got a Seizure (one for my wife...)
Win Ben Stein's Liver
and the All-New Pancreas Hunt
and one won't have to re-name itself - Change of Heart
I'm sure no one here underestimates the total depravity of packagers and nets.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153698\' date=\'May 29 2007, 01:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'153667\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:01 AM\']
Endemol is producing a show in the Netherlands (debuts Friday night) which will feature contestants competing to receive a donated kidney. The donor is terminally ill.[/quote]
There, Fixed That For Ya!
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Wishful thinking, right? ;-) Endemol's not going anywhere anytime soon.
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'153701\' date=\'May 29 2007, 02:04 PM\']
If it gets big ratings, Endemol and other production companies could revise some classic formats for the medically desperate
The Lung Connection
Break The Blood Bank
Eye Rollers
Wheel of Dialysis
I've Got a Seizure (one for my wife...)
Win Ben Stein's Liver
and the All-New Pancreas Hunt
and one won't have to re-name itself - Change of Heart
I'm sure no one here underestimates the total depravity of packagers and nets.
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Pass-the-Kidney-Stone Plus!
Body Part Language.
Celebrity Spleenstakes.
Iron Lung Chef
Play the Appendixes
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'153701\' date=\'May 29 2007, 11:04 AM\']
Eye Rollers
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You've just described the entirety of Fox's reality show library. (Except Hell's Kitchen. Gordon Ramsay might be greater than Pat O'Brien.)
Win Ben Stein's Liver
I lol'd. Hard.
/No match, organ goes back. Over to you, Bob.
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The Ear, Nose, or Throat Game
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Make Me Lymph ...?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'153671\' date=\'May 29 2007, 10:16 AM\']
...I thought that [Endemol] couldn't sink any lower. I was wrong.
I'm really, really tempted to open a special no-holds-barred subforum for venting at Endemol.
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(Original post deleted by me -- sorry, the show's in Holland. Never mind. Send me to a "room" of your choice for having an itchy typing finger. Never mind.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'153707\' date=\'May 29 2007, 02:14 PM\']
/No match, organ goes back. Over to you, Bob.[/quote]
No more calls, please. We have a winner.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'153672\' date=\'May 29 2007, 07:35 AM\']
Queen For A Day doesn't seem so bad now.
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Don't give them ideas:
"Dialysis for a Day"
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153730\' date=\'May 29 2007, 04:24 PM\']
Don't give them ideas:
"Dialysis for a Day"
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"Whose lucky soda can tab will we draw next time? Tune in tomorrow!"
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An Endemol show has been on Fox--"Performing As," the U.S. version of their "Stars in Their Eyes" format where people compete to impersonate singers. Summer run a few years ago, with Todd Newton hosting. Long-running British version has a familiar catch phrase over there with "Tonight, Matthew (Kelly, the original host), I'll be..."
(And "Stars" was first Americanized by Dick Clark over a decade ago in syndication as "Your Big Break," with Natalie Cole hosting and the Coors twins looking very lovely.)
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Sounds like something the UBS network would put on as a lead-in to Howard Beale's rants. Or maybe directly following them.
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Platelets Plus
Super-Marrow Sweep
The Type Is Right
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I read the article as well as watched the videoclip. This is rather appalling.
If anything comes of this, I hope some viewers will contact Endemol and offer their own kidneys to the other two contestants who didn't win.
-Dan Berger
FLASHGames²
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'153701\' date=\'May 29 2007, 02:04 PM\']
The Lung Connection
Break The Blood Bank
Eye Rollers
Wheel of Dialysis
I've Got a Seizure (one for my wife...)
Win Ben Stein's Liver
and the All-New Pancreas Hunt
and one won't have to re-name itself - Change of Hearts
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What's My Life Expectancy?
Matched Donors Game
I've Got A Secretion
Super Pancreas
$ale of the Psoriasis
Liar's Club (The HMO Edition)
Dr. I.Quincy
Dialysis or No Dialysis
Real Jeopardy!
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[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'153765\' date=\'May 29 2007, 11:33 PM\']
I read the article as well as watched the videoclip. This is rather appalling.
If anything comes of this, I hope some viewers will contact Endemol and offer their own kidneys to the other two contestants who didn't win.
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As long as Endammitol doesn't send the losers offstage with a copy of the home game.
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Treasure Islets of Langerhans
Make a (New) Face
Tibia Track
Tooth...or Consequences
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I think this thread is sick.
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One I definitely don't want to play:
Seizure's Challenge
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'154016\' date=\'Jun 1 2007, 03:08 PM\']
One I definitely don't want to play:
Seizure's Challenge
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No more calls please.
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Gentlemen, we've been had. One of the Dutch members of Something Awful (http://\"http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2502454\") ended up watching the show, and had this to report:
[quote name=\'Forum Goon "GardenState"\']...The show started, and it showed your typical emotional moments of the contestants who all wanted to receive the kidney (lasted about 90 minutes). At the end, 2 of the 3 candidates remained, and when the donator wanted to call out the final name when the show suddenly stopped and the presenter interfered.
Turned out it was a big HOAX to gain attention to this subject, and it was awesome. Nobody showed big interest in this subjec before, and in the course of 2 weeks, it had become worldwide news and the main issue of our goverment. Millions of people voted for contestants showing support, wanting THEM to receive the kidney. The ending line of the show was that its quite easy for them to get one, just sign the goddamn donor donation form.
The show ended with clips from our goverment who said "How can we stop this program" and "how is this possible". I'll bet they feel pretty stupid now. Our prime minister was not happy with the image we send out to the world with this television program, but this program showed it is even worse that we are a country who doesn't put enough time and energy into this problem...[/quote]
Genius. Friggin' genius.
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A tacky infomercial. Brilliant.
(Can we start a Endemol venting topic either here or in BtS? Please? Perty please?)
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'154023\' date=\'Jun 1 2007, 04:21 PM\']
A tacky infomercial PSA.[/quote]
Fixed.
I think it's not as brilliant as GardenState put it. People will be too up in arms about the visuals than what Endemol was trying to say. I'm thinking this was more counter-productive than what "they" would want you to think.
Don't they show educational videos in school anymore? That's where this should be.
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Further verification:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6714063.stm (http://\"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6714063.stm\")
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Honestly, if this had been a simple PSA or infomercial, who would've watched? They knew that by attracting controversy, people would watch regardless, mainly from curiosity.
They got their controversy, and they did a decent job of getting the point across. I agree it was brilliant. Now how many people are going to be pissed, mainly because they're just mad they got fooled, even though they know damn well it was a good prank.
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Eh. I find that the intelligence of the stunt is balanced out by the idea that anyone ought to feel foolish for having denounced this show.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'154030\' date=\'Jun 1 2007, 02:46 PM\']
Eh. I find that the intelligence of the stunt is balanced out by the idea that anyone ought to feel foolish for having denounced this show.
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I think I know what you mean, but I'm gonna ask you to elaborate anyhow, because I'm not certain. What do you mean? :)
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Yeah, I didn't phrase that too clearly.
I admire the stunt itself--I think it made a point in a very attention-getting, useful way. But I also get the impression that there was a healthy dose of "ha ha, you fell for it, of course we wouldn't do something this crass"--and I don't see how anyone who criticized it beforehand is now supposed to be foolish for not reading the producers' minds. If anything, that reaction is an indictment of what gets aired on television in 2007, but certainly not an indictment of those reacting.
(Tune in tomorrow, when I reword this into a dissertation.)
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That is what I thought you were going for. Yeah, for them to say "HA-ha!" is pretty lame, considering that a perfectly reasonable response to that is "Um, look around you, jackbag, we wouldn't put something like this past you at ALL..."
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As quick as I am to call out Endemol when they foul things up, I also have to give props when they're due. By carrying this prank out, the company that gave us over-produced, drawn-out game shows that give away far too much money has brought an issue to worldwide attention that really needs it. Some countries execute prisoners when an organ shortage comes up. In the United States, where capitalism is supposed to run free, we can't sell our own organs. (Not like my kidneys would get more than $49.95 each, but at least we should have the option) 70,000 people in the US are waiting for a kidney. How many people would sell one of their own if given the opportunity?
Would this kind of attention have come up with a half-hour PSA? I doubt it. But "Game show winner receives kidney" got radio play on two diametrically opposed stations here in Seattle, as well as TV news coverage. I think the fooling was well worth it, though Endemol would lose all goodwill built up by pulling a Nelson Muntz on everyone.
So, to sum up, good on 'em, but they still owe us for Show Me the Money.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'154066\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 01:34 AM\']
As quick as I am to call out Endemol when they foul things up, I also have to give props when they're due. By carrying this prank out, the company that gave us over-produced, drawn-out game shows that give away far too much money has brought an issue to worldwide attention that really needs it. [/quote]
In all fairness to Endemol, that describes their U.S. division more than the other versions of these formats, including the ones in their home country.
On the other hand, they are the people responsible for "Big Brother," so maybe they deserve everything they get.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'154095\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 01:01 PM\']
On the other hand, they are the people responsible for "Big Brother," so maybe they deserve everything they get.
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True, but it's Les Moonves who keeps it running in this country despite middling ratings and the exclusion of anything titillating.
By the way, I think the kidney things was brilliant, except, as others noted, for the laugh at the end.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'154097\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 01:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'154095\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 01:01 PM\']
On the other hand, they are the people responsible for "Big Brother," so maybe they deserve everything they get.
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True, but it's Les Moonves who keeps it running in this country despite middling ratings and the exclusion of anything titillating.
By the way, I think the kidney things was brilliant, except, as others noted, for the laugh at the end.
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There is still something ultimately creepy about the basic concept of "Big Brother," no matter who's doing it or where.
And of course, the format is much bigger in most of the countries it's in than it ever has been in the U.S.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'154097\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 02:35 PM\']
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'154095\' date=\'Jun 2 2007, 01:01 PM\']
On the other hand, they are the people responsible for "Big Brother," so maybe they deserve everything they get.
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True, but it's Les Moonves who keeps it running in this country despite middling ratings and the exclusion of anything titillating.
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Ah, but there *is* something on that show that Les feels is Titillating (coughcoughchenbot).
...But that is only his opinion!