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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JayDLewis on May 18, 2007, 02:22:50 PM
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OK, I'll cop to trolling a celebrity gossip site and found these interesting articles about Rosie and TPiR.
Rosie Takes Out FULL Page Ad
http://defamer.com/hollywood/desperation-m...eams-261325.php (http://\"http://defamer.com/hollywood/desperation-moves/rosie-odonnell-not-ready-to-g%3Cbr%20/%3Eive-up-on-her-price-is-right-dreams-261325.php\")
Producer's Not Happy With "The Gay Blade" et al?
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/05/...the_royals.html (http://\"http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/05/08/2007-05-08_lady_luck__the_royals.html\")
General Rosie Speculation
http://defamer.com/hollywood/rosie-o.donne...fist-222701.php (http://\"http://defamer.com/hollywood/rosie-o.donnell/rosie-odonnell-long-dreamed-of-ruling-over-contestants-row-with-an-iron-fist-222701.php\")
FWIW, my opinion is that Rosie would turn TPiR into Queen For A Day with 50% more Plinko.
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I know I'm in the minority, but I disagree.
I think she'd be great for the show. Or hosting a revival of Match Game.
Seriously.
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Rosie O'Donnell: "...I have visions for 'The Price is Right."
I wonder if they involve her selecting contestants by firing Koosh balls at them and feeding Drake's Snack Cakes to contestants outside in line from her personal stash.
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Rather than asking the obvious "Can she even HOST Price?", let's ask ourselves: "Can she even HOST a game show, period?"
My guess is no.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152665\' date=\'May 18 2007, 02:32 PM\']
I know I'm in the minority, but I disagree.
I think she'd be great for the show. Or hosting a revival of Match Game.
Seriously.
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I wish Rosie was available to host GameShow Marathon. That would have been an improvement over Ricki, IMO. (and given a free try at TPiR and MG)
/but a brick wall would have been better than Ricki
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[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'152668\' date=\'May 18 2007, 02:55 PM\']
Rather than asking the obvious "Can she even HOST Price?", let's ask ourselves: "Can she even HOST a game show, period?"
My guess is no.
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At the risk of turning this into a 'yes-she-can' 'no-she-can't' argument, I'd like to hear your reasons why.
She's got thousands of hours of hosting experience, in which, as a talk-show host, played numerous games with her studio audience.
She hosted Squares for half a show in its early years.
How is she not a host, and yet Dylan Lane, Ty Treadway, the guy from Temptation who's name escapes me, George Hamilton, Mario Lopez, Dave Price, and Mark Steines are?
Or is this just an "I don't like Rosies views, opinion, brashness so she'd be lousy as a game show host" argument?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152672\' date=\'May 18 2007, 03:23 PM\']
How is she not a host, and yet Dylan Lane, Ty Treadway, the guy from Temptation who's name escapes me, George Hamilton, Mario Lopez, Dave Price, and Mark Steines are?
Or is this just an "I don't like Rosies views, opinion, brashness so she'd be lousy as a game show host" argument?
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Rossi Morreale. FWIW...I had to look it up.
And my "opinion" (since I left it out in the previous post)...she'd do well hosting MG because she could handle the celebs well. The only thing holding that up is questions + a good panel.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152672\' date=\'May 18 2007, 03:23 PM\']
How is she not a host, and yet Dylan Lane, Ty Treadway, the guy from Temptation who's name escapes me, George Hamilton, Mario Lopez, Dave Price, and Mark Steines are?
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To be fair, three of those last four have never hosted a game show for the public's eyes. And if that list doesn't stress how much the Powers That Be want a good-looking guy more than anything...
-Jason
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152672\' date=\'May 18 2007, 03:23 PM\']
Or is this just an "I don't like Rosies views, opinion, brashness so she'd be lousy as a game show host" argument?
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The fact that she's a nasty, vicious conspiracy nutjob without an ounce of common sense or compassion for anyone who disagrees with her pretty much rules her out from my point of view.
It was bad enough that she was willing to throw out even the pretense of trying to bluff contestants on Squares. These days, if she were hosting TPIR and a contestant lost, she'd probably give him the car anyway and claim that he'd really have won if not for George W. Bush.
(And before anyone decides to turn this into a political argument, I'm no fan of the guy nowadays either but he's not behind all that's wrong with the world any more than Bill Clinton was during the latter's term in office.)
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Judging solely from Hollywood Squares: she can't be a good game show host if she can't let contestants lose now and then. If she's gotten over that, maybe.
(edit: after reading the last couple of posts, yeah, she's too political now for TPIR anyway.)
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I think Rosie would be pretty good, she handles live TV well (and live to tape), she has wanted the job (she probably knows the games as well as any of the current candidates) and right now she's the hottest property on television. CBS would be foolish not to at least consider the possibility. You'd keep the Price viewers and get some of the View viewers.
The only thing that would probably change is that we wouldn't get as many frat boys up on stage.
And that's a good thing.
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The problem with Rosie is that she's just too divisive a figure for a warm-and-fuzzy show like "TIPR." Anytime.
Perhaps, if Tucker Carlson can host that "Do You Trust Me?" pilot for CBS, she could do that same show. But not for any conventional game show anytime soon.
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If the show is on tape, there probably would be little opportunity for Rosie to comment on current events. Bob injected social causes into the show long ago.
The only audience that would go away is the male audience CBS doesn't want in the first place.
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Rosie is absolutely horrible. Technically, could she host the show? Of course, but so could a lot of people. Problem is, I can't see her being satisfied as just the host. She would eventually want to produce as well...and that's the part that scares me. I can just see her mucking with the set, replacing long-time staffers with her friends, and adding a View-like monologue to the beginning of every show.
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I'd like to see Rosie host a game show but not TPiR. How about a revival of Two for the Money?
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I think if she could keep off the soapbox, she would be a competent host. She was decent for the half-round of Squares, but still a little overbearing.
She also got on my damn nerves by bluffing, then shaking her head to make sure the contestant disagreed. You win some, you lose some, but with her, she always wants to give away, even if the contestant lost. Sure a new car would be nice, but you can't reward losing.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152726\' date=\'May 18 2007, 03:46 PM\']
She also got on my damn nerves by bluffing, then shaking her head to make sure the contestant disagreed. You win some, you lose some, but with her, she always wants to give away, even if the contestant lost. Sure a new car would be nice, but you can't reward losing.
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Rosie has a very pathological need for people to like her. (Unless your name is Donald Trump.) This is how she feeds that; she gave away shiat all of the time on her talk show, too. She's pretty much devoid of a personality that isn't grating as all hell, so she's not gonna get friends that way, but she does have more money than God, so she's figured out that she can get people to like her if she gives them things.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'152726\' date=\'May 18 2007, 06:46 PM\']
She also got on my damn nerves by bluffing, then shaking her head to make sure the contestant disagreed.[/quote]
She just wanted to make sure she didn't get cancer from lying.
How is she not a host, and yet Dylan Lane, Ty Treadway, the guy from Temptation who's name escapes me, George Hamilton, Mario Lopez, Dave Price, and Mark Steines are?
Because someone with a format said so. Nobody said that they were good, though. O'Donnell wouldn't be good, either, because no matter how much experience or talent she has, she will automatically divide an audience because of her being two-faced. If you name her as the successor to (arguably) one of the most liked faces on television, then you're shooting yourself in both feet.
/Lopez was serviceable on Pet Star
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'152702\' date=\'May 18 2007, 05:09 PM\']
Bob injected social causes into the show long ago.
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Even then, though, Bob mostly avoided making more controversial statements about his views on animal rights--mostly staying to things that everyone could get behind, like adoption and spaying/neutering.
Could Rosie host a game show at some point? Possibly--if she gets rid of her "everyone wins" mentality and keeps the political stuff off the air. But, IMHO, it would definitely have to be a more celebrity-oriented game show like Match Game--TPiR is just too well-structured.
--Sam
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'152722\' date=\'May 18 2007, 05:36 PM\']
I'd like to see Rosie host a game show but not TPiR. How about a revival of Two for the Money?
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I'd buy this. That format is built for a strong host. And I actually love the game part.
I like Rosie, but the funny thing is that when she started her original talk show, she wanted light entertainment like Mike Douglas, not controversial stuff.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'152852\' date=\'May 19 2007, 12:43 PM\']
I like Rosie, but the funny thing is that when she started her original talk show, she wanted light entertainment like Mike Douglas, not controversial stuff.
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Rosie is a classic example of fame going to a person's head. When her talk show started she was just another well-known-but-still-relatively-unsuccessful comedienne. Then it took off. And off. And off. And the bigger the show got, the bigger Rosie's head got. And the bigger your head gets, the more you think people care about your political views.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'152854\' date=\'May 19 2007, 03:02 PM\']
Rosie is a classic example of fame going to a person's head. When her talk show started she was just another well-known-but-still-relatively-unsuccessful comedienne. Then it took off. And off. And off. And the bigger the show got, the bigger Rosie's head got. And the bigger your head gets, the more you think people care about your political views.
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Indeed. Interesting how some celebrities are canny enough to keep them to themselves. That talk show host, Winfrey, out of Chicago, for example.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'152854\' date=\'May 19 2007, 04:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'152852\' date=\'May 19 2007, 12:43 PM\']
I like Rosie, but the funny thing is that when she started her original talk show, she wanted light entertainment like Mike Douglas, not controversial stuff.
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Rosie is a classic example of fame going to a person's head. When her talk show started she was just another well-known-but-still-relatively-unsuccessful comedienne. Then it took off. And off. And off. And the bigger the show got, the bigger Rosie's head got. And the bigger your head gets, the more you think people care about your political views.
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Case in point, using a Tom Selleck interview to ambush him about gun rights, when he was there to promote a new movie. This was about three years into her show, and she'd won a couple of Daytime Emmys.
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... assuming this is not a joke, we're praying Barker's legacy isn't sullied with the introduction of O'Donnell's unsubtle comedy stylings into Price is Right's delicate game show chemistry.
You can't put it any better than that. Rosie is all wrong for TPIR.
I don't think I've ever seen Rosie smile. You know, the ear-to-ear s***-eating grin that says "happy happy, fun fun" that emcees are supposed to wear. Jack Barry and Allen Funt come to mind as two tough-guy New Yorkers who were able to project enough charm into the camera to be accepted by audiences. When I think of Rosie, the word "charm" does not immediately come to mind. I've seen Rosie scowl and I've seen her frown, but smile? No. In addition, despite her fantasy, TPIR would be far too limiting for her. She needs a forum where she can spout off. TPIR would not afford her that opportunity.
My vision of her taking the job has her with a chronic case of Whoopi-itis: installing herself as executive producer and demanding a Barker-size salary. The show would then be her oyster and she could tinker it to death.
This random thought just popped into my head: who will take over as E.P. after Barker leaves? IMO there are only three people who are even remotely qualified for the position: Roger Dobkowitz, Barbara Hunter Welsh and Jay Wolpert. I know the first two and have dealt a litttle bit with Jay. I would trust no one else with the show.
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Ya know, it may come down to a situation where either Rosie hosts TPIR or Rosie hosts a show that replaces TPIR.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'152915\' date=\'May 20 2007, 09:41 AM\']
I don't think I've ever seen Rosie smile. You know, the ear-to-ear s***-eating grin that says "happy happy, fun fun" that emcees are supposed to wear.
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I have...there's a promotional poster for "The View" in the hallway at my job. She noticeably prominent in the picture (i.e., she actually stands in front of the other three, doubt it's a coincidence), and she has this big Joker (Jack Nicholson, not the game show character) grin that says "How f**king long do I have to hold this smile" and "Come out, come out wherever you arrrrrre!!!"
It's pretty creepy. In fact here's This looks like the actual pic, or a similar one. (http://\"http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2007/04/25/1177511063_9190.jpg\")
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That smile says "happy happy, fun fun" all right.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'152915\' date=\'May 20 2007, 08:41 AM\']
This random thought just popped into my head: who will take over as E.P. after Barker leaves? IMO there are only three people who are even remotely qualified for the position: Roger Dobkowitz, Barbara Hunter Welsh and Jay Wolpert. I know the first two and have dealt a litttle bit with Jay. I would trust no one else with the show.
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Roger, unless Fremantle brings over this Howard Huntridge whose name has been mentioned before in the Dave Price debacle. That YouTube clip of Portugese "TPIR" has his name in the credits (and has Fremantle as the producer, complete with the guitar/conga drum logo music), so someone in London or Paris or Luxembourg or wherever Fremantle has their main office must think that he's the "TPIR" guy--at least in Europe. (He also produced the last two UK versions of the show.)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'152915\' date=\'May 20 2007, 09:41 AM\']
This random thought just popped into my head: who will take over as E.P. after Barker leaves? IMO there are only three people who are even remotely qualified for the position: Roger Dobkowitz, Barbara Hunter Welsh and Jay Wolpert. I know the first two and have dealt a litttle bit with Jay. I would trust no one else with the show.
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I could see Roger Dobkowitz moving into an executive's position, because he has the track record of 35 continuous years of service to the show and Fremantle ought to reward that somehow. Then Fingers or Stan Blits would probably wind up in the producer's chair.
I don't think you'd get Wolpert away from that lucrative screenwriting career - he's probably made a mint off "Pirates of the Carribean" by now and really doesn't need to "work" any more.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152665\' date=\'May 18 2007, 02:32 PM\']
I know I'm in the minority, but I disagree.
I think she'd be great for the show. Or hosting a revival of Match Game.
Seriously.
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I agree.
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I agree that she's not right for TPIR, but she'd be great for Match Game. Maybe CBS will reclaim the 10 AM hour and air Match Game. I can dream, can't I?
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I don't think you'd get Wolpert away from that lucrative screenwriting career - he's probably made a mint off "Pirates of the Carribean" by now and really doesn't need to "work" any more.
Having dealt with him a few times, my impression is that he'd do it.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'152979\' date=\'May 21 2007, 03:32 PM\']
I could see Roger Dobkowitz moving into an executive's position, because he has the track record of 35 continuous years of service to the show and Fremantle ought to reward that somehow.
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Possibly. I could also see him getting squeezed out by Fremantle execs intent on changing the show despite Roger's objections. They may also want to replace him with a 20-something "show runner" who'll work for half his salary.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153021\' date=\'May 22 2007, 03:26 AM\']
I don't think you'd get Wolpert away from that lucrative screenwriting career - he's probably made a mint off "Pirates of the Carribean" by now and really doesn't need to "work" any more.
Having dealt with him a few times, my impression is that he'd do it.
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Af if it were ever to come to pass, I'd hope he'd get to be creative on the showcase themes and spoofs again.
/"Pirates of Marina del Rey" showcase, anyone??
//I once met a Pirate from Parma...He had patches over *both* eyes!!
///I can make fun of Parma -- I *still* pay taxes there!!
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[quote name=\'Timsterino\' post=\'153005\' date=\'May 21 2007, 09:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'152665\' date=\'May 18 2007, 02:32 PM\']
I know I'm in the minority, but I disagree.
I think she'd be great for the show. Or hosting a revival of Match Game.
Seriously.
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I agree.
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Somehow I don't see this. What I do see is this:
"Donald Trump is a moron. Now HERE is the next item up for bids!"
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'153021\' date=\'May 22 2007, 03:26 AM\']
I don't think you'd get Wolpert away from that lucrative screenwriting career - he's probably made a mint off "Pirates of the Carribean" by now and really doesn't need to "work" any more.
Having dealt with him a few times, my impression is that he'd do it.[/quote]
I don't see why he couldn't at least try to have it both ways. Screenwriting isn't necessarily a full-time job, and if Wolpert enjoyed working with TPIR and the opportunity presents itself for him to return...
This may be off-the-board, but does anyone see Mr. Ilagan climbing the corporate ladder in this situation?
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He's no longer with Fremantle IIRC.
-Jason
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Yeah, last time he surfaced, he was over at Fox Reality.
But even if he wasn't, no.
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Considering the fire and brimstone Rosie whipped on on The View today (5/23), Dave Price will host Jeopardy before Rosie gets the TPIR gig.
The link to the fight here. (http://\"http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-viewfight-23may23,1,5525989.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo\")
Anybody wanna take bets on who does their last show first: Bob or Rosie?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153224\' date=\'May 23 2007, 06:02 PM\']
Considering the fire and brimstone Rosie whipped on on The View today (5/23), Dave Price will host Jeopardy before Rosie gets the TPIR gig.
The link to the fight here. (http://\"http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-viewfight-23may23,1,5525989.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo\")
Anybody wanna take bets on who does their last show first: Bob or Rosie?
[/quote]If we're going by first-run episode, whichever network rolls credits first past 11:57AM EDT on June 15.
Based on that, I got Rosie by 17 seconds.
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Pity price. Whoever signs Rosie to a syndicated show (and you know someone is going to), will put her up against the cluckers on the View, and TPIR2.0 ..... and she'll do very well against them both.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153224\' date=\'May 23 2007, 06:02 PM\']
The link to the fight here. (http://\"http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-viewfight-23may23,1,5525989.htmlstory?coll=la-headlines-entnews&track=crosspromo\")
Anybody wanna take bets on who does their last show first: Bob or Rosie?
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Anyone wanna take bets on how many more crappy, crappy poems Rosie ends up writing out of all of this?
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[quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' post=\'153261\' date=\'May 23 2007, 09:30 PM\']
Anyone wanna take bets on how many more crappy, crappy poems Rosie ends up writing out of all of this?
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Yeah, who read those poems and had a booboo moment? I know I did.
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I don't follow The View, but I was kinda intrigued by this once I though it up....
Could all of this be a ratings ploy for ABC? When I looked up (on Wiki) a timeline of events of all the Rosie blowups ("Ching/Chong" incident 12/5, Donald starting 12/20, Iranian seizure 3/26, etc), they all come after a certain game show host's retirement announcement...and it's all been escalating now that we are closer to Bob's end. I would want to hope it's just coincidence.
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This is the rumor that will not die.
She never was in serious contention and several Price staffers were mentioning it as well.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'153282\' date=\'May 24 2007, 07:54 AM\']
This is the rumor that will not die.
She never was in serious contention and several Price staffers were mentioning it as well.
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As the OP who linked to a couple of articles (including a picture of the ad she took out in one of the trades), it seems pretty clear that Rosie wanting to host Price is not a rumor.
If, on the other hand, this is a prank/scam/goof by Defamer...I will gladly cop to being fooled.
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[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'153286\' date=\'May 24 2007, 09:38 AM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'153282\' date=\'May 24 2007, 07:54 AM\']
This is the rumor that will not die.
She never was in serious contention and several Price staffers were mentioning it as well.
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As the OP who linked to a couple of articles (including a picture of the ad she took out in one of the trades), it seems pretty clear that Rosie wanting to host Price is not a rumor.
If, on the other hand, this is a prank/scam/goof by Defamer...I will gladly cop to being fooled.
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I can see how one could misunderstand my statement. I should have clarified my statement by saying Rosie having a chance of getting the gig (ie: serious contention) was a rumor. I don't doubt she was interested. But there was no chance she was going to get it, much less an audition.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'153282\' date=\'May 24 2007, 08:54 AM\']
This is the rumor that will not die.
She never was in serious contention and several Price staffers were mentioning it as well.
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It's something that may be beyond the control of the Price staffers. They probably have a pre-conceived notion of who might be a candidate. Rosie wasn't available before and her show was gaining in ratings against Price. I don't think she would have left "The View" unless something like Price became available. Let's face it, in the demographics that count, Rosie was beating Price. This is not a rumor, Rosie wants the job. How much input did the Price staff have in choosing Ricki Lake? If I were NBC, I'd make a deal with Rosie for an 11am show; be it game or talk, they could make inroads on Price and View.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'153289\' date=\'May 24 2007, 08:45 AM\']
It's something that may be beyond the control of the Price staffers. They probably have a pre-conceived notion of who might be a candidate. Rosie wasn't available before and her show was gaining in ratings against Price. I don't think she would have left "The View" unless something like Price became available. Let's face it, in the demographics that count, Rosie was beating Price. This is not a rumor, Rosie wants the job. How much input did the Price staff have in choosing Ricki Lake? If I were NBC, I'd make a deal with Rosie for an 11am show; be it game or talk, they could make inroads on Price and View.
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NBC's already locked into a fourth hour of "Today" at 11 a.m. I don't think they can get out of it.
If I were Ritch Colbert at Program Partners, I'd be trying to woo Rosie as much as I can. I think she'd like the idea of working for a Ma-and-Pa syndicator not part of a media conglomerate and a Rosie show could, along with "Crosswords," do for his company what "Wheel" (and Oprah) did for King World.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'153224\' date=\'May 23 2007, 06:02 PM\']
Anybody wanna take bets on who does their last show first: Bob or Rosie?
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Rosie's gone now. ABC announced it earlier today. Source: 1010 WINS News Radio
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MSNBC link. (http://\"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18868354/\")
Guess I lost the pool.
damn.