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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tvmitch on February 21, 2007, 09:04:50 AM
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From B&C this morning...read the article for more details. (Meant to find the old thread on this topic but search is awfully slow this morning...)
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I wonder if it will have the staying power Crosswits has done for us Brits. Lasted over a decade on daytime.
Question. As this is Merv Griffin's new format. What was the situation with the Jeopardy! revival in the 1980's, did it start on all of the syndicated stations. Or, like Millionaire, started on a few then gradually invaded the country?
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'146577\' date=\'Feb 21 2007, 03:46 PM\']
I wonder if it will have the staying power Crosswits has done for us Brits. Lasted over a decade on daytime.
Question. As this is Merv Griffin's new format. What was the situation with the Jeopardy! revival in the 1980's, did it start on all of the syndicated stations. Or, like Millionaire, started on a few then gradually invaded the country?
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From what I've read, J! debuted in many markets in poor time slots...I seem to recall that WABC in New York scheduled it on overnights in the very beginning. (I also remember seeing a TV Guide half-page ad pairing J! and Lange NTT in the same hour on WABC, although I don't remember what hour that was...) Then the show built success and found its home in late fringe.
Some of us with access to their TV Guide collections (mine are across town!) might shed some light on this one.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'146577\' date=\'Feb 21 2007, 02:46 PM\']
I wonder if it will have the staying power Crosswits has done for us Brits. Lasted over a decade on daytime.
Question. As this is Merv Griffin's new format. What was the situation with the Jeopardy! revival in the 1980's, did it start on all of the syndicated stations. Or, like Millionaire, started on a few then gradually invaded the country?
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"Wheel" started out on about 30 stations and exploded over its first season to the lineup it has now. Don't remember how big a lineup "J!" started with, but it was much heftier, due to it being the followup to "Wheel" (and the first big example of King World's hardball games with stations on its shows and getting renewals). However, "J!" initially had bad time slots in many cities, but within the first couple of years that changed immensely. By the time the ABC-owned stations picked up "Wheel" and "J!", they were on their way to being the double powerhouses they've remained.
Interesting note: Due to the joining up of KW and CBS Paramount, the combined CBS Distribution has nine out of ten shows in the syndication Top 10. That's brute force.
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According to the first J! book, Alex mentioned that in L.A. the show had an afternoon time slot when it debuted, but when Alex tuned to the show, he found a rerun of "Quincy". At the time, the show had an overnight slot in L.A.
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Checking my back issues of TV Guide, In LA, J! started out at 4pm on Channel 2 and was off by November 2, 1984. It and the "All-New Let's Make a Deal" were repaced by "Quincy." J! moved to Channel 13 in January of 85 following WOF at 7:30.
In NYC, Channel 4 aired it from Sept-Dec 84 in a post-Letterman time slot (either 1:30 or 2am). J! moved to 4pm on WABC following the network cancellation of "The Edge of Night."
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Glad to read the news. Sounds like it'll be a fun show. But I had to smile at the "master of the game show genre" comment. Living master, maybe. If I got them all, Merv has a 2W and 9L record (Word For Word, Post Office, Memory Game, One in a Million, Click, Monopoly, Stars, Ruckus, Chasers - without counting the Wheel & Jeopardy spin-offs). Still wish him all the best on this one, tho, especially if it stirs up an interest in what I'd call the modest game show, like Password and Cross Wits. No big flash, no big cash, just something simple and fun to watch.
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Per The B&C Article:
“The NBC Universal stations are an ideal launch platform for Let’s Play Crosswords,” said Ritch Colbert of Program Partners. “We look forward to partnering with NBC to ensure the success of this series.”
Is Ritch Colbert any relation to Colbert Television Sales, once popular with many Barry & Enright syndicated shows?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'146594\' date=\'Feb 21 2007, 06:22 PM\']
Per The B&C Article:
“The NBC Universal stations are an ideal launch platform for Let’s Play Crosswords,” said Ritch Colbert of Program Partners. “We look forward to partnering with NBC to ensure the success of this series.”
Is Ritch Colbert any relation to Colbert Television Sales, once popular with many Barry & Enright syndicated shows?
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Yes, he is the son of Dick Colbert of CTS and schlepped TTD and TJW as a salesman in his younger days.
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On WEWS-TV Channel 5, the ABC affiliate in Cleveland, Jeopardy! has been on at 7:30pm since its 1984 debut.
Likewise, Wheel Of Fortune has been a 7pm show on TV-5 since its 1983 syndicated premiere.
Have any other stations out there cleared The WOF/J! combo at 7-8pm ET continuously over the same channel since '84?
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Yes. WDIV in Detroit, though the order of shows has not always been the same.
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Have any other stations out there cleared The WOF/J! combo at 7-8pm ET continuously over the same channel since '84?
WKBW Buffalo has aired Wheel of Fortune at 7 p.m. weeknights since Aug 1983. Jeopardy was on at 5:30 in fall '84, and moved to 7:30 I believe in fall 1985, and has been there ever since.
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I might call on Aaron Sica if he's around to confirm this, but I believe that WHP, CBS 21 in Harrisburg, has cleared the combo in the same spot since their launch. I'm curious about other channels that were covered by his Central PA edition TV Guide, though...
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'146644\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 09:23 AM\']
I might call on Aaron Sica if he's around to confirm this, but I believe that WHP, CBS 21 in Harrisburg, has cleared the combo in the same spot since their launch. I'm curious about other channels that were covered by his Central PA edition TV Guide, though...
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You rang? :)
All except for the 1985-1986 season (when Kennedy PiR ran at 7:30, and J! was moved to 5:30), WoF/J! have been on from 7pm-8pm on WHP.
As far as other stations in the edition:
New York:
WCBS-2 aired WoF at 7:30 up until fall 1990, when it moved to WABC-7, same timeslot (where it airs to this day). As mentioned somewhere else on the boards recently, J! aired in the wee hours on WNBC-4 for the first half of the '84-'85 season, until it moved to WABC-7 in January 1985 at 7pm (where it has stayed to this day).
Philadelphia:
WoF has been WPVI-6's 7:30pm program since September 1983, when it was one of a handful of stations to premiere it. J! started at 12:30pm on KYW-3 upon its premiere, and moved to WPVI-6 sometime after its first season (not sure when though, unfortunately...perhaps someone can help?)
Scranton/WB:
WoF premiered on WNEP-16 right around the time of the 1984 Olympics at 7:30pm; in the fall of 1986 it moved to WYOU-22 at 7pm. It stayed there until 1992, when it moved to WBRE-28 (still at 7pm) where it has been to this day. J! premiered at 5:00pm on WYOU-22, moving to 7pm in early 1985; when WYOU got WoF as well, J! moved to 7:30pm. Like WoF, it moved to WBRE-28 in the fall of 1992, where it remains to this day.
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According to Robert Feder's column in today's Chicago Sun-Times, "Crosswords" will likely be on a double-run from 1-2 pm on WMAQ Channel 5 in Chicago, replacing the cancelled "Passions." Strikes me as a bit of an odd time slot.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'146649\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 09:51 AM\']
New York:
J! aired in the wee hours on WNBC-4 for the first half of the '84-'85 season, until it moved to WABC-7 in January 1985 at 7pm (where it has stayed to this day).
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Sorry to nitpick, Aaron...but if you read up, ABC-7 had J! on in the mid-afternoon when they first got it. It stayed there until the end of (assuming) the '86-'87 season, when Oprah moved to the 4 PM slot. Then it got stuck in Oprah's old slot at 10 before finally making the move to 7 PM (which I believe happened sometime in 1988).
I remember that mid-afternoon game show block WABC used to have- one season wonders always followed Jeopardy! First it was Name That Tune, then the second half of the syndicated Sale of the Century, then Card Sharks (more a year and 3/4 wonder, about), then the revival of Split Second (even though that was after the move to the morning). IIRC, once J! moved to night, they were paired with Hollywood Squares for a short time before the show moved down the dial to WPIX for its last year.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'146637\' date=\'Feb 22 2007, 07:54 AM\']
On WEWS-TV Channel 5, the ABC affiliate in Cleveland, Jeopardy! has been on at 7:30pm since its 1984 debut.
Likewise, Wheel Of Fortune has been a 7pm show on TV-5 since its 1983 syndicated premiere.
Have any other stations out there cleared The WOF/J! combo at 7-8pm ET continuously over the same channel since '84?
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WVEC, Wheel at 7, J! at 7:30.
TIDBIT: The season before, Wheel actually aired at 7:30. Love Connection was at 7.
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I so hope this gets cleared in Seattle, as I recall when Tom Bergeron's version of Hollywood Squares aired on KING 5 our NBC afffilate at 7:30 PM when it debuted and ran it that time slot until about a few weeks before the end of it's run in 2002(?). That show was aired on all of CBS's O&O's as I remember, since this show is going to be on NBC O&O's maybe KIRO 7 can run it although if KING 5 ran it they could air the show at 7:30 PM to replace Inside Edition which currently runs there now.
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about an hour ago I sent e-mails to all the television stations in the Seattle-Tacoma market asking if they were going to carry Let's Play Crosswords and also Temptations the new version of Sale of the Century. So far i've gotten an answer from only KOMO 4 our ABC affilate and they said they were not planning to carry the shows this fall, of course they already have Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! so that's okay. Hopefully i'll hear back from the rest of the stations soon.
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[quote name=\'1984Gameshowsfan\' post=\'147160\' date=\'Feb 28 2007, 09:27 AM\']
I so hope this gets cleared in Seattle, as I recall when Tom Bergeron's version of Hollywood Squares aired on KING 5 our NBC afffilate at 7:30 PM when it debuted and ran it that time slot until about a few weeks before the end of it's run in 2002(?). That show was aired on all of CBS's O&O's as I remember, since this show is going to be on NBC O&O's maybe KIRO 7 can run it although if KING 5 ran it they could air the show at 7:30 PM to replace Inside Edition which currently runs there now.
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Gawd, my aching head.
/and he's local, too
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'147171\' date=\'Feb 28 2007, 01:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'1984Gameshowsfan\' post=\'147160\' date=\'Feb 28 2007, 09:27 AM\']
I so hope this gets cleared in Seattle, as I recall when Tom Bergeron's version of Hollywood Squares aired on KING 5 our NBC afffilate at 7:30 PM when it debuted and ran it that time slot until about a few weeks before the end of it's run in 2002(?). That show was aired on all of CBS's O&O's as I remember, since this show is going to be on NBC O&O's maybe KIRO 7 can run it although if KING 5 ran it they could air the show at 7:30 PM to replace Inside Edition which currently runs there now.
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Gawd, my aching head.
/and he's local, too
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/which is exactly how I feel about you know who.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'147171\' date=\'Feb 28 2007, 01:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'1984Gameshowsfan\' post=\'147160\' date=\'Feb 28 2007, 09:27 AM\']
I so hope this gets cleared in Seattle, as I recall when Tom Bergeron's version of Hollywood Squares aired on KING 5 our NBC afffilate at 7:30 PM when it debuted and ran it that time slot until about a few weeks before the end of it's run in 2002(?). That show was aired on all of CBS's O&O's as I remember, since this show is going to be on NBC O&O's maybe KIRO 7 can run it although if KING 5 ran it they could air the show at 7:30 PM to replace Inside Edition which currently runs there now.
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Gawd, my aching head.
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Well said!
Even though March is a good distance from NATPE, things can change at a moment's notice in terms of clearances and stations can pick up shows and never even air them. In my market, MG 98 was set to air on the CBS affiliate (listed on the website and everything) but they backed out at the last minute and it wasn't seen until the last two weeks when it aired on the Fox affiliate as a placeholder for the then-new Family Feud. That same Fox affiliate said they wouldn't pick up the most recent Hollywood Squares, but did so 5 months into the first season anyway.
It's way too soon to tell, and calling up every station now is a waste of time for both parties and of bandwith here.
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[quote name=\'Scrabbleship\' post=\'147240\' date=\'Mar 1 2007, 05:34 AM\']
It's way too soon to tell, and calling up every station now is a waste of time for both parties and of bandwith here.
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The vibe I get is that said caller has a *lot* of time to waste on such folly. :)