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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: gamed121683 on February 16, 2007, 11:13:40 AM
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While watching the show this morning, TPiR introduced a new game called "More Or Less". For those who saw it, what did you all think of the game? Personally, a seemed a little TOO basic for my tastes.
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I agree. It seemed a little too easy, although the lady lost. Of course we don't know how they play for the car. My guess is that they do the same thing fotr the car as they do for all the other prizes, although that also seems to easy
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[quote name=\'gamed121683\' post=\'146071\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 08:13 AM\']While watching the show this morning, TPiR introduced a new game called "More Or Less". For those who saw it, what did you all think of the game? Personally, a seemed a little TOO basic for my tastes.[/quote]I dug it. Personally, I think it's odd that Double Prices is played for big things like spas, jukeboxes and so on, and Check-out is played for the $4,000 living room. It was nice to see a game played for some of the One-Bid stuff.
I thought it was fine for what it was: a quick game that they can play for a car, without having to trot out That's Too Much! every week. Personally, I'd like to see it become a frequent game in the rotation.
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Can someone explain the premise of the game for those of us who didn't see it? Sounds promising...and a bit surprising, since Bob is retiring...I didn't think any new games would be introduced until next season maybe.
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I was just finishing a phone call and joined the game after the car descrip, so pardon me if I miss anything. Basically, the contestant is shown three prizes each with a wrong price. (With headphones off while on the phone, I thought at first Buy or Sell got a new set - to give you an idea of the setup, intro & prizes used here) One at a time, the contestant guesses whether the actual price of each prize is "more" or "less" than the false one. Presumably, since today's contestant did not get that far, they get to do this one more time for the car if they get all three right. The contestant wins any prizes they correctly guessed along the way.
-Jason
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"Golden Road" with a lot less gold at the end.
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I think the pricing games well has just about run dry--and let's face it, there's only so much you can do with prices and digits.
This is nothing more than taking the old standard small-prize game ("Mildred, the price of that waffler is not $17. Is the right price higher or lower?") and playing it for larger prizes, with a car at the end of the line. The fact that the contestant must get them all right to win the car provides the suspense, but unlike other games where the higher-or-lower part is a way to win choices in the main game, in this case the higher-or-lower part is the main game.
I suppose it's okay, but as I said, it sounds less than creative or different to me (and, again, understandably so, given the number of games that have already been created).
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Two words describe More or Less--uninspired and derivative. I like the comparison to Golden Road but with significantly less bucks. (10-karat golden road, anybody?)
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146111\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 08:37 PM\']
Two words describe More or Less--uninspired and derivative. I like the comparison to Golden Road but with significantly less bucks. (10-karat golden road, anybody?)
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Sounds like Fool's Golden Road to me.
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Pyrite Parkway?
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Zirconia Zigzag?
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'146092\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 05:54 PM\']
I suppose it's okay, but as I said, it sounds less than creative or different to me (and, again, understandably so, given the number of games that have already been created).
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This might be the start of some other changes. Once Bob leaves (and it's probably a safe bet that there may be at least one or two other members of the old TPiR guard who might hang it up as well), Fremantle will be saving a big hunk of cash.
It's probably safe to say that Fremantle will want to try to save even more. One likely event is to put a freeze on spending to create and design any new pricing games, and also to put a freeze on revamping any current games (unless its to hide any cosmetic blemishes for those watching it on HDTV).
There are going to be too many eyes focused on the new host for at least the next year -- most probably won't even notice the lack of new games for the foreseeable future.
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'146092\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 04:54 PM\']
I think the pricing games well has just about run dry--and let's face it, there's only so much you can do with prices and digits.[/quote]
That said, see if you can figure out which genius on the Price staff came up with this game.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'146091\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 01:40 PM\']"Golden Road" with a lot less gold at the end.[/quote][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146111\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 05:37 PM\']Two words describe More or Less--uninspired and derivative. I like the comparison to Golden Road but with significantly less bucks. (10-karat golden road, anybody?)[/quote]I don't buy the comparison. You could say the same thing about Step Up, It's In the Bag, or Triple Play, really. And I don't see how any of the games are really inspired or original after the first couple of handfuls. You're pricing stuff. As Mike said...
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'146092\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 01:54 PM\']I think the pricing games well has just about run dry--and let's face it, there's only so much you can do with prices and digits.
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I suppose it's okay, but as I said, it sounds less than creative or different to me (and, again, understandably so, given the number of games that have already been created).[/quote]I would like to see more games like this that reward pricing knowledge, and rely less on gadgets and gimmickry. And "uninspired and derivative" would describe any of the two-dozen or so of games that boil down to "Which of these choices is the correct price?" (Balance Game, Flip Flop, Side by Side, Squeeze Play, Freeze Frame...I could go on)
I'll stick with "inoffensive," and after being reminded of "Half-Off," I would deem that a massive improvement.
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"Golden Road" with a lot less gold at the end.
The way it was described it sounds more like Bonus Game with the added requirement that the contestant get them all right.
I think the pricing games well has just about run dry--and let's face it, there's only so much you can do with prices and digits.
You know that, I know that, and the whole board knows it. Still, it will be fascinating (for lack of a better word) to see what Howard Huntridge and company come up with to try to disprove this notion.
It's probably safe to say that Fremantle will want to try to save even more. One likely event is to put a freeze on spending to create and design any new pricing games, and also to put a freeze on revamping any current games
That doesn't make sense. Given the money they'll save with Barker gone, they'll have a bigger wad o' cash to spend on new games (the physical games aren't that expensive to build). What they won't have are ideas.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'146133\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 03:48 AM\']
[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'146091\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 01:40 PM\']"Golden Road" with a lot less gold at the end.[/quote][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146111\' date=\'Feb 16 2007, 05:37 PM\']Two words describe More or Less--uninspired and derivative. I like the comparison to Golden Road but with significantly less bucks. (10-karat golden road, anybody?)[/quote]I don't buy the comparison. You could say the same thing about Step Up, It's In the Bag, or Triple Play, really.[/quote]
I have no idea where you see any of those three games in More or Less, except for Step Up where you keep whatever you've won. The esteemed Mr. Clementson compared More or Less to Bonus Game, which is much more accurate than comparing it to It's in the Bag or Triple Play.
Breaking down my comparison of Golden Road and More or Less...
Golden Road: You walk from point A to point B to point C to point D to win prizes which escalate in price. You choose the hundreds digit of each price. You win whatever prizes you guess correctly, outside of the <$1 starting item. The game ends when you screw up.
More or Less: You walk from point A to point B to point C and presumably to point D to win prizes where the most expensive is always at the end. You decide whether the price is higher or lower. You win whatever prizes you guess correctly. The game ends when you screw up.
In short, uninspired and derivative.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146146\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 10:22 AM\']
In short, uninspired and derivative.
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I think you could probably say this about more than half of the pricing games on the show really. They are, for the most part, all based on 4 or 5 basic pricing concepts. The pricing concept used in Bonus Game alone is used in (off the top of my head) Punch-A-Bunch, Shell Game, More or Less, Buy or Sell, Now or Then (sorta), and with a slight change, 5 Price Tags. Bullseye and Check Out are direct knock offs of Grocery Game. I guess my point is - I hope you aren't surprised by the fact that More or Less is just a new twist on an old concept.. They've been doing it for years.
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Wouldn't it be a little cruel to introduce a complicated new game during Bob's "home stretch"?
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More Or Less - I say less of More or Less is more.
The game has all the intrigue of Time Is Money (which I guessed they ran out of ideas for complicated games). When these comparatively simple games are played at a longer or slower pace than Step Up (a game I like quite well) or Side By Side without much else it drags.
Here are some possible reasons some didn't warm to More or Less right away:
1.) no props that are cool, funny looking, or flasy. This game doesn't have a big scale that makes funny noises as it balances, or an oil painting Bob pulls up on curtains to display, big dice, or boxes that will burst with cash if opened.
2.) no catchphrase or music accompanies the game
3.) the 3 prizes (not the car) were yawners (Sort of the way you go ho-hum when Buy Or Sell comes out.
4.) We all wanted to see what happens when you try for the car - and the person playing the game lives in a world where washers sell for over $2,000.
I think more creativity and care went into the sign behine the car than the rest of the game. Oh well, Pocket Change and Stack The Deck still show signs of creativity.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'146153\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 01:04 PM\']
Wouldn't it be a little cruel to introduce a complicated new game during Bob's "home stretch"?
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Bob could go out with a bang with a game to end all games. How about a new game where the price of a car and another prize (maybe a chair) are all contained in one line. A pair of puppets (sort of like Bert and Ernie) stand on a bridge and yell to Bob different ways to separate the numbers to differentiate the price of the car from the price of the price of the chair. The nubers in each price must add to 18. The contestant must guess whether Bert or Ernie is correct. For the puppet the contestant says is incorrect, Bob rolls a double decker bus into the puppet, knocking the puppet off the bridge. Now, Bob says clues to the correct price are in the four autograph books he stole from Bert and Ernie. The contestant can win all four books (and all four clues) if he can arrange four 2-digit appliances in the order of price least to greatest, keeping the highest priced one for himself. Next, if the contestant is conficent, he can sell back any autograph books he wins and keep the $500 bonus. The game ends by skeeballs rolling out (Bob screams "let 'em roll" to release the balls) above the numbers which have been separated. If the skeeballs line up in the same order as the separated numbers, we win. Too complicated for Bob's home stretch?
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'146146\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 11:22 AM\']In short, uninspired and derivative.
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Now it can be told. "More or Less" was created by.....
Bob Barker.
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No doubt inspired by what he's been saying a lot these last few years:
"You won, more or less."
Just put some capital letters and an exclamation point in there (throw out the comma), and you're good to go.
(Dammit, Time Is Money had interesting gameplay! I will defend "Grocery Switcheroo" to my dying day. It was the crap they added to make the name "work" that sucked.)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy_1\' post=\'146158\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 02:41 PM\']Bob could go out with a bang with a game to end all games. How about a new game where the price of a car and another prize (maybe a chair) are all contained in one line. A pair of puppets (sort of like Bert and Ernie) stand on a bridge and yell to Bob different ways to separate the numbers to differentiate the price of the car from the price of the price of the chair. The nubers in each price must add to 18. The contestant must guess whether Bert or Ernie is correct. For the puppet the contestant says is incorrect, Bob rolls a double decker bus into the puppet, knocking the puppet off the bridge. Now, Bob says clues to the correct price are in the four autograph books he stole from Bert and Ernie. The contestant can win all four books (and all four clues) if he can arrange four 2-digit appliances in the order of price least to greatest, keeping the highest priced one for himself. Next, if the contestant is conficent, he can sell back any autograph books he wins and keep the $500 bonus. The game ends by skeeballs rolling out (Bob screams "let 'em roll" to release the balls) above the numbers which have been separated. If the skeeballs line up in the same order as the separated numbers, we win. Too complicated for Bob's home stretch?[/quote]
That's near perfection. If you get Roger to dress up as Bert and Rich Fields to be Ernie, then you have a hit. Bonus points if the skeeballs are thrown at someone's genitals, double if they're Bob's.
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More or Less: You walk from point A to point B to point C and presumably to point D to win prizes where the most expensive is always at the end. You decide whether the price is higher or lower. You win whatever prizes you guess correctly. The game ends when you screw up.
The basic problem for the contestants in Bonus Game, Shell Game and More or Less is "$80 is the wrong price. Is the right price higher (more) or lower (less)?". Doesn't matter if the contestants stand still, walk, or hop on a pogo stick.
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To condense what I said elsewhere, More or Less is what happens when Golden Road and Buy or Sell has a baby that grows up to be that really hot chick in school you always wanted to date. The set pieces looked really nice, but there's not much in terms of what's upstairs.
If this makes it into the rotation, I could easily see it being played first, a lot.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'146194\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 11:37 PM\']
If this makes it into the rotation...[/quote]
What do you mean, "if?" It was played on Friday.
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For those of you who still haven't seen it, it can finally be seen in all its glory(?) on YouTube.
More or Less (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJmpTlgLAos\")
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'146194\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 11:37 PM\']
If this makes it into the rotation, I could easily see it being played first, a lot.
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The only real issue is the conflicts it has with so many other games of "That is not the right price...is the right price higher or lower?" which will cause it to be pushed back in rotations to allow for other playings.
As for it being played first...I'd highly doubt that. They don't like to have audience entrances when they aren't necessary.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'146254\' date=\'Feb 18 2007, 05:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'146194\' date=\'Feb 17 2007, 11:37 PM\']
If this makes it into the rotation...[/quote]
What do you mean, "if?" It was played on Friday.
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And a 2nd time on Wednesday's show... with better results.
For the two items revealed that were "MORE", the color schemes on the "MORE"s behind the sliders were quite different... a blue/yellow vs. yellow/pink if I recall right. The "LESS"es were identical though. I wonder if someone used a 'leftover' MORE from an earlier design?
Matt
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In person, the letters in the "LESS"es were in slightly different colors -- I think perhaps one was pink and one was red? So they were supposed to be different, too; it just didn't read as well on TV.
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Scott Robinson