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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: chrispw1 on November 18, 2006, 10:34:56 AM
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What were some game shows that you felt got pulled too soon and should have lasted longer. I think one is Break The Bank on ABC in 1976 which got pulled after 15 weeks to make way for expanded soaps, also Chain Reaction 1980 with Bill Cullen was pretty good from what I've seen but they pulled it to make way for Letterman's failed daytime talk show.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'138172\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 10:34 AM\']
What were some game shows that you felt got pulled too soon and should have lasted longer. I think one is Break The Bank on ABC in 1976 which got pulled after 15 weeks to make way for expanded soaps, also Chain Reaction 1980 with Bill Cullen was pretty good from what I've seen but they pulled it to make way for Letterman's failed daytime talk show.
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BtB is most definitely a show that should have lasted longer and is a favorite show of quite a few people. It's not one of mine, but I most definitely agree it should have lasted longer.
IMHO, one show that I think should have lasted longer is "Whew!". I have very vague memories of the show when it originally aired (I was between 4 and 5 years old), but in getting to see it years later, I really enjoyed the game.
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I'd agree with BtB, but if it had not gone off, who would have hosted "50 Grand Slam" :).
Two Jim Peck shows I would have liked to see last a little longer were "The Big Showdown" and "Second Chance," though PYL fullfilled the latter's promise. (Did the animations and change of host make that much difference? I thought both shows were good.)
From the '60's I would have liked "Let's Play Post Office" and "Call My Bluff" to have lasted longer.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'138180\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 12:55 PM\']
I'd agree with BtB, but if it had not gone off, who would have hosted "50 Grand Slam" :).
Two Jim Peck shows I would have liked to see last a little longer were "The Big Showdown" and "Second Chance," though PYL fullfilled the latter's promise. (Did the animations and change of host make that much difference? I thought both shows were good.)
From the '60's I would have liked "Let's Play Post Office" and "Call My Bluff" to have lasted longer.
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I wish that 'H2' Squares could have lasted another season or two.
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I think most of the forum would have liked to see "Whew!" have a longer run.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'138180\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 08:55 AM\']I'd agree with BtB, but if it had not gone off, who would have hosted "50 Grand Slam" :). [/quote]No one. Which means the show doesn't go to air, and the world becomes a better place for that.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'138189\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 11:21 AM\']
No one. Which means the show doesn't go to air, and the world becomes a better place for that.
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How many episodes of 50 Grand Slam have you seen there, chief?
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Also, I would have liked to have seen Tom Kennedy's nighttime Price Is Right get another year as he did a good job, but the show had poor clearances. From what I understand, New York City had it on at 2 am and where I grew up no Chicago station picked it up although I was able to catch it on cable from a Rockford station.
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Whew was another good game show, but whoever was in charge if CBS daytime felt they needed more sitcom reruns as for a year and a half they were down to only Price Is Right.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'138196\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 02:47 PM\']
Whew was another good game show, but whoever was in charge if CBS daytime felt they needed more sitcom reruns as for a year and a half they were down to only Price Is Right.
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Again: your source?
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'138197\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 12:06 PM\']
Again: your source?
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Yeah, I can tell this is gonna get old fast.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'138172\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 11:34 AM\']
What were some game shows that you felt got pulled too soon and should have lasted longer.[/quote]
From what I've seen of Child's Play I would put that one on my own list.
Others:
The Generation Gap
Celebrity Sweepstakes
High Rollers
I've Got a Secret (1976 revival)
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Big Showdown
Money Maze
Russian Roulette
Hollywood Showdown
History I.Q.
Match Game (1990)
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All I'm going by is that its replacement was reruns of Alice. I'm just saying since that hour and 4 pm had sitcom reruns added in place of game shows that that was the programmer's choice of programming. Ok, I should have said that he must have wanted more sitcom reruns.I will be more careful how I word things.
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[quote name=\'chrispw1\' post=\'138209\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 01:21 PM\']
All I'm going by is that its replacement was reruns of Alice.
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Yeah, you're not gonna last long.
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I still stand firmly on my belief that Spin-Off had real potential, got a bum deal as far as station clearances were concerned and that--with a bit of tweaking to its bonus round so that contestants might have had a second chance at a sizable payoff if they couldn't get a consecutive straight or five of a kind--it might have eventually found an audience.
DoND has a similar problem once in a while, whenever someone pushes their luck too far and blows all the huge amounts so that we know they'll have to settle for anything from maybe $5 to just under $20,000.
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I would of liked to have seen "$ale of the Century" last a little bit longer.
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' post=\'138215\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 02:53 PM\']DoND has a similar problem once in a while, whenever someone pushes their luck too far and blows all the huge amounts so that we know they'll have to settle for anything from maybe $5 to just under $20,000.[/quote]It's a problem that people who get greedy leave with nothing? A problem? With all of the other problems the Deal has, you pick that one.
Wow, I'm in the wrong room.
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Others:
The Generation Gap
Celebrity Sweepstakes
I never saw Generation Gap until the two episodes hit the trade curcuit last year - but from what I've seen of it, I agree on that one. I'd love to see one of the Jack Barry-hosted shows too!
I also would have liked to have seen Celebrity Sweepstakes last longer. I find it kind of odd that it's not more highly regarded by the general game show community. It ran a respectable 3 years (including the nighttime syndicated run), but it's never been repeated or revived (although I know there was an attempt in the '90s to revive it). I consider it along the same lines as Hollywood Squares or Break the Bank, but the Sweepstakes sometimes gets lost in the shuffle in discussing the best old shows.
When you look at the number of game shows that came and went quickly in the '70s (sometimes too quickly), any show that ran 3 years did something right! :)
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My TiVO has been picking up reruns on i of "Dirty Rotten Cheater" and I forgot how much I liked that show, so I wish it would have lasted longer. It was a neat little show, and it probably would have done better on GSN. BTW, the reruns are airing at 3am on Sat & Sun nights (really Sun & Mon morn). I have the DirecTV national feed.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'138271\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 06:28 PM\']
I also would have liked to have seen Celebrity Sweepstakes last longer. I find it kind of odd that it's not more highly regarded by the general game show community. It ran a respectable 3 years (including the nighttime syndicated run), but it's never been repeated or revived (although I know there was an attempt in the '90s to revive it). I consider it along the same lines as Hollywood Squares or Break the Bank, but the Sweepstakes sometimes gets lost in the shuffle in discussing the best old shows.
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Anybody know when & why Celebrity Sweepstakes killed off the toteboard element which kept track of the correct answers from all the celebrities as the game progressed? It was kind of cool for the home viewer & the audience to see who was smarter than who.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138206\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 01:46 PM\']
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Hollywood Showdown
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YES, Hollywood Showdown! And
Supermarket Sweep
Weakest Link
All New 3's a Crowd
Twenty One
Trivial Pursuit
Boggle
Jumble
Shuffle
Wild Animal Games
Family Challenge
The Challengers
... ok, you get the idea ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'138288\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 09:22 PM\']
Trivial Pursuit
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I know that that was a tongue-in-cheek list, but I saw a TP closing on YouTube a couple of weeks ago (the theme song was catchier than I remembered!). I remember it being a fun game, but would you have any idea of why it didn't catch on longer than it's one season? Did the Interactive game kill the momentum, or did it just drag too much, needing 12 answers to win?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138289\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 06:25 PM\']
I know that that was a tongue-in-cheek list, but I saw a TP closing on YouTube a couple of weeks ago (the theme song was catchier than I remembered!). I remember it being a fun game, but would you have any idea of why it didn't catch on longer than it's one season? Did the Interactive game kill the momentum, or did it just drag too much, needing 12 answers to win?
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More than any format twist or tweak, the problem, as I saw it, was far simpler. Limited exposure on the Family Channel before it was a more widely carried channel on cable systems. And Pat Robertson's master plan for the Family Channel that included selling it.
Hook us up with the TP closing you say is on You Tube. I'd enjoy seeing it again. And I'll talk to my webmaster about bandwidth and the possibility to post a clip of the never-seen TP syndie pilot featuring a super-spiffy set. Wink's teeth look even brighter! ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'138291\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 07:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138289\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 06:25 PM\']
I know that that was a tongue-in-cheek list, but I saw a TP closing on YouTube a couple of weeks ago (the theme song was catchier than I remembered!).
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Hook us up with the TP closing you say is on You Tube. I'd enjoy seeing it again.[/quote]
A quick search reveals this. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Kc4ErUSUI\")
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'138288\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 09:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138206\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 01:46 PM\']
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Hollywood Showdown
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YES, Hollywood Showdown! And
Supermarket Sweep
Weakest Link
All New 3's a Crowd
Twenty One
Trivial Pursuit
Boggle
Jumble
Shuffle
Wild Animal Games
Family Challenge
The Challengers
... ok, you get the idea ;-)
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Randy, you missed probably the most important one...
HIT MAN!!!
If only it would have been extended by even just one week, you would have been much happier. Admit it, Randy! You wouldn't have said no to another shot at the Triple Crown, now would you?
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There is absolutely NO WAY that this show should have been cancelled.
I'm waiting for the Fremantle revival for the US version.
http://glumbert.com/media/tonguetwister (http://\"http://glumbert.com/media/tonguetwister\")
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'138291\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 09:38 PM\']
Hook us up with the TP closing you say is on You Tube. I'd enjoy seeing it again. And I'll talk to my webmaster about bandwidth and the possibility to post a clip of the never-seen TP syndie pilot featuring a super-spiffy set. Wink's teeth look even brighter! ;-)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Kc4ErUSUI (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Kc4ErUSUI\")
There you go...it's actually from the Interactive game.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'138293\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 06:43 PM\']
HIT MAN!!!
If only it would have been extended by even just one week, you would have been much happier. Admit it, Randy! You wouldn't have said no to another shot at the Triple Crown, now would you? [/quote]
Of the 9 shows I did as a contestant, that failed Hit Man bonus round is an embarrassment topped only by my dismal failure on Face The Music. Thankfully THAT one hasn't surfaced! The PYL and All Star Blitz wins rocked! Yea, another shot and I would have kicked that hit man's ass!!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'138298\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 05:51 PM\']Of the 9 shows I did as a contestant, that failed Hit Man bonus round is an embarrassment topped only by my dismal failure on Face The Music. Thankfully THAT one hasn't surfaced! The PYL and All Star Blitz wins rocked! Yea, another shot and I would have kicked that hit man's ass!![/quote]I can only imagine how losers on Now You See It dealt with the ribbing at home:
"You clod! How could you lose? The answers were RIGHT THERE! In front of you! The whole time!"
/And I say this from the comfort of my home, with no lights, no timer counting down the time, and also no prize money for the questions, puzzles or words solved. Such is life.
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Anybody know when & why Celebrity Sweepstakes killed off the toteboard element which kept track of the correct answers from all the celebrities as the game progressed? It was kind of cool for the home viewer & the audience to see who was smarter than who.
Don't know the exact reason, but the show's ownership did change hands a couple of times, and they had several different producers over the show's run. Those changes occurred during early summer 1976 (oddly enough, the first week was one of the few that Carol Wayne wasn't on the panel). Since the show was cancelled that October, it's probably safe to assume that the ratings were declining by then, so maybe they thought the change might spike them up a bit.
All I know is I was disappointed with that format change.
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Wasn't it odd that the Celeb. Sweeps. theme changed back to the original at the end? Both themes were good, did Andrews like one theme and Sugarman the other???
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'138287\' date=\'Nov 19 2006, 08:21 PM\']Anybody know when & why Celebrity Sweepstakes killed off the toteboard element which kept track of the correct answers from all the celebrities as the game progressed? It was kind of cool for the home viewer & the audience to see who was smarter than who.[/quote]
The change seemed to be designed to speed the game up. By not spending time waiting for the celebrities to write down their answers, they could get through several more questions. Of course, without written answers proving who got it right, they had to do away with the toteboard.
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I would like to have seen Whew! run longer. Change the scoring so that the player with the most cash runs The Gauntlet. Change the format so that the players take an equal number of turns as Charger and Blocker and have The Gauntlet at the end of the show.
Shenanigans should not have gone into hiatus. Stopping the game to force the kids to play Where's Willie and Operation was also a mistake.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'138338\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 02:51 PM\']
Shenanigans should not have gone into hiatus. Stopping the game to force the kids to play Where's Willie and Operation was also a mistake.
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Unfortunately that mistake was the whole point of the show itself: to push Milton Bradley games (the show's sponsor) as part of one big infomercial. It was basically Video Village Jr. otherwise. Perhaps the bigger mistake was complete sponsor control, something most people wouldn't have expected only seven years after the quiz show scandals.
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Something strange happened on the forum last night. What do these three posts have in common?
#1 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138292\")
#2 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138295\")
#3 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=9984&view=findpost&p=138296\")
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'138343\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 11:42 AM\']
Something strange happened on the forum last night. What do these three posts have in common?
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They all artificially inflated your ego?
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'138343\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 02:42 PM\']What do these three posts have in common?
#1 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138292\")
#2 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138295\")
#3 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=9984&view=findpost&p=138296\")[/quote]What are three posts that have never been seen in my kitchen?
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[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'138362\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 01:28 PM\']
What are three posts that have never been seen in my kitchen?
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No more calls, please, we have a winnar!
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[quote name=\'rebelwrest\' post=\'138343\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 02:42 PM\']
Something strange happened on the forum last night. What do these three posts have in common?
#1 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138292\")
#2 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11831&view=findpost&p=138295\")
#3 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=9984&view=findpost&p=138296\")
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Okay, I promoted the same YouTube clip in two separate posts. And? Just in case someone overlooked it in the short-lived games thread, I decided to post it at the Internet finds thread as well.
Of course, it's all moot because it was revealed five months ago in the latter thread.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'138338\' date=\'Nov 20 2006, 01:51 PM\']
I would like to have seen Whew! run longer. Change the scoring so that the player with the most cash runs The Gauntlet. Change the format so that the players take an equal number of turns as Charger and Blocker and have The Gauntlet at the end of the show.[/quote]
. . . what? The entire excitement of the main game is the race against the clock. "Okay, your time is up. Now let's go to the scoreboard!"
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'138206\' date=\'Nov 18 2006, 03:46 PM\']
Big Showdown
Money Maze
Russian Roulette
Hollywood Showdown
History I.Q.
Match Game (1990)
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Definitely agree with The Big ShowDown. The first time I saw this was visiting fellow internet game show fans in Cleveland in 2002. After getting over seeing Jim fall down the steps, I was fascinated by the concept that no player could go over the pre-determined goal ("payoff point") -- meaning another player could've theoretically caught up.
Love to see this make a comeback -- though without a staircase for the host's safety.
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Big Showdown and Whew! are near the top of my list, as is Balderdash (probably would have had a longer life if not for Pax going downhill fast), and Scrabble.
I've always liked the concept for Hot Streak, but it was going against TPIR so it pretty much was a few feet from the network guillotine from day one.
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I think that Win, Lose or Draw could have gone longer had the producers not messed around with the scoring system and method of play late in both versions' runs. Here's how two of the scoring systems went:
Original: Each charade was worth $200, but if the drawing player handed off to a partner after 30 seconds, the value dropped to $100.
Late in the runs:
First 25 seconds: Silence (except for background music) while artist drew
Next 5 seconds: Team could guess for $200
Remaining 30 seconds: Team could guess for $100
Steals were worth $50
The complicated nature of the last scoring system, I feel, led to declining ratings. (This system was introduced late in the network run and in the final syndicated season.)
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My vote goes to Now You See It, with Jack Narz. I have only seen the show from the episodes on pageoclips, but it looked like a neat game. Kinda on the blah blah side at times, but overall good show. I've seen worse shows last longer
I heard this show got reworked after a few months. I dont know what the changes were, but did they add to the early drop of NYSI, or was it up against Wheel?
Mark
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[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'138774\' date=\'Nov 25 2006, 07:37 AM\']
My vote goes to Now You See It, with Jack Narz. I have only seen the show from the episodes on pageoclips, but it looked like a neat game. Kinda on the blah blah side at times, but overall good show. I've seen worse shows last longer
I heard this show got reworked after a few months. I dont know what the changes were, but did they add to the early drop of NYSI, or was it up against Wheel?[/quote]
The rework was basically no first qualifying round and changes in the goals. Two new players played the letter-by-letter round for 5 words to play against the champion. First to get 100 points in the main game won, with point values doubled after the 50-point mark was passed. Solo Game remained the same.
With one round dropped, the games stopped being complete-in-one-show and straddling began.