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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TimK2003 on November 08, 2006, 07:41:14 PM
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I was involved in a conversation with someone who I seem to be converting to Gameshowism (good thing!), and he came up with this question:
Say a show premieres with a set of rules and/or formatics. Later, the producers change the rules or tweak the format. Still later on, the producers go back to original Day One rules/formatics and stayed that way during the rest of the show's run...
Has there ever been a game show that usnsuccessfully did some tweaking but went 100% back to basics before it was cancelled?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'137337\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 07:41 PM\']
Has there ever been a game show that usnsuccessfully did some tweaking but went 100% back to basics before it was cancelled?
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Technically, I suppose Wheel, with the failed hour-long format that lasted about a month.
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A couple shows come to mind:
Scrabble: "Spell the word"
Tic Tac Dough: Hit $1000 on the dot.
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"Money Maze" did a week of celebrities (Soupy, Anita Gillette) paired with contestants but went back to married couples.
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Couldn't you add Jeopardy from 1979? The whole drop one contestant before Double J!, the messed up Final J!...then back to (more) classic J! in 1984.
EDIT: Misread first post (whole "being canceled thing"), but still something to consider.
/and I like Firefox's built in spell checker.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'137342\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 08:00 PM\']
Couldn't you add Jeopardy from 1979? The whole drop one contestant before Double J!, the messed up Final J!...then back to (more) classic J! in 1984.
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No, because Tim said
Has there ever been a game show that usnsuccessfully did some tweaking but went 100% back to basics before it was cancelled?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'137342\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 05:00 PM\']
/and I like Firefox's built in spell checker.
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Would that more people used it. :)
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Australia's WOF went through some changes in 1996 that almost got the show cancelled.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'137337\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 08:41 PM\']
Has there ever been a game show that usnsuccessfully did some tweaking but went 100% back to basics before it was cancelled?
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You could make a half-hearted argument for Password All-Stars morphing back into Password, but it was still way different from the original. I guess they figured they had to justify the expense of that big honkin' set with the lockout buzzers.
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There were those 3 wks. in late 82/early 83 where The $25K Pyramid dumped the Mystery 7 in favor of a Time of the Week format (similar to the $50K's tourney qualifying method), where the player w/the fastest maingame time each wk recieved a Greek cruise.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137351\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 08:27 PM\']
Would that more people used it. :)
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Too bad it doesn't have a grammar or proper use checker. ;)
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What about Scrabble when they had the spelling format? (ie, MOSQUITO).
Brian
Will Smith played Hutch?
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[quote name=\'brianhenke\' post=\'137388\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 08:42 PM\']
What about Scrabble when they had the spelling format? (ie, MOSQUITO).
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Jesus, it was even on the same page. (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11780&view=findpost&p=137340\")
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Didn't they once have an aborted rule on the '70s Match Game where a contestant playing the Head-To-Head Match had to pick a celebrity other than the one who won them the bucks in the Super Match?
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[quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' post=\'137394\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 10:59 PM\']
Didn't they once have an aborted rule on the '70s Match Game where a contestant playing the Head-To-Head Match had to pick a celebrity other than the one who won them the bucks in the Super Match?
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Yep. And those shows should be airing relatively soon if they keep running MG75 for an hour in the 11PM ET slot.
However, while they did revert back to the old rule, there was the matter of the Star Wheel tweak in 1978.
Doug
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137391\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 10:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'brianhenke\' post=\'137388\' date=\'Nov 8 2006, 08:42 PM\']
What about Scrabble when they had the spelling format? (ie, MOSQUITO).
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Jesus, it was even on the same page. (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11780&view=findpost&p=137340\")
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That notwithstanding, SCRABBLE also made other tweaks that completely deviated from Day One (one of the most notable being "solve four words instead of three in the Sprint, and they're the same words rather than picking a pink or blue packet of three words each").
Doug
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Since someone brought up the Star Bonus, should "experiements" be ruled out of this?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'137405\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 12:59 AM\']
Since someone brought up the Star Bonus, should "experiements" be ruled out of this?
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The Star Bonus actually inspired the current bonus round we all know today(picking a certain number of letters). It may have been an "experiment"(& an awkward one at that too), but it sure was neat to see how it worked. I guess it wasn't won as much as it was used. At least they tried.
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The week on Tattletales where they had studio audience members trying to guess celebrities answers. Personally, I thought that tweak was interesting.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'137423\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 08:54 AM\']
The week on Tattletales where they had studio audience members trying to guess celebrities answers. Personally, I thought that tweak was interesting.
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Maybe that's how 1 vs. 100 should be. At the end, split the pot among those who got all 12 right. Nobody with 12, go down to 11, and so on. It's a game show mashup!
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'137423\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 08:54 AM\']
The week on Tattletales where they had studio audience members trying to guess celebrities answers. Personally, I thought that tweak was interesting.
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'tis a shame GSN doesn't add it to the schedule - particularly the '82-'84 version....Wouldn't mind seeing it again.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'137423\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 08:54 AM\']
The week on Tattletales where they had studio audience members trying to guess celebrities answers. Personally, I thought that tweak was interesting.
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I remember that; I even saw an ep. with that format when GSN still ran the show. That was a great idea, and should've stuck around.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'137426\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 09:13 AM\']
Maybe that's how 1 vs. 100 should be. At the end, split the pot among those who got all 12 right. Nobody with 12, go down to 11, and so on.
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Uh, don't they already do that? Cause anyone that's alive at any point has gotten all the questions right.
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'137581\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 02:56 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'137426\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 09:13 AM\']
Maybe that's how 1 vs. 100 should be. At the end, split the pot among those who got all 12 right. Nobody with 12, go down to 11, and so on.
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Uh, don't they already do that? Cause anyone that's alive at any point has gotten all the questions right.
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You misinterpreted. I was saying that 1 vs. 100 should have celebrities matching answers rather than a '1', with audience members splitting the pot among their guesses rather than what rooting section they were in.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'137587\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 07:33 AM\']
[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'137581\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 02:56 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'137426\' date=\'Nov 9 2006, 09:13 AM\']
Maybe that's how 1 vs. 100 should be. At the end, split the pot among those who got all 12 right. Nobody with 12, go down to 11, and so on.
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Uh, don't they already do that? Cause anyone that's alive at any point has gotten all the questions right.
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You misinterpreted. I was saying that 1 vs. 100 should have celebrities matching answers rather than a '1', with audience members splitting the pot among their guesses rather than what rooting section they were in.
--Mike
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Doesn't that sort of take away from the point of the show, Mike, which I see to be one person taking on 100 people who are assumed to be smarter than them (at least from how I've come to look at the show)? Kind of like a "me vs. the world" sort of mentality?
That would just be boring to tune in every week to see the celebs matching wits with the audience...wouldn't keep my interest as much as the original point of 1 vs. 100.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'137647\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 10:01 PM\']
Doesn't that sort of take away from the point of the show, Mike,
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Yes. What we're trying to get across is that this format as it stands now is FRIGGIN' BROKEN, and needs some pretty drastic changes to be interesting.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137649\' date=\'Nov 12 2006, 01:17 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'137647\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 10:01 PM\']
Doesn't that sort of take away from the point of the show, Mike,
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Yes. What we're trying to get across is that this format as it stands now is FRIGGIN' BROKEN, and needs some pretty drastic changes to be interesting.
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And I disagree.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'137650\' date=\'Nov 11 2006, 10:20 PM\']
And I disagree.
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Which is your right. You asked Mike if he thought his idea took away from the point of the show. I was merely suggesting that Mike was doing that intentionally, because in the opinion of many, that point needs badly to be taken away from, because it doesn't work.
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Another good example was G-T's Showoffs, which started out with a best two-rounds-out-of-three format, then briefly tried a format where the winner was declared after getting seven words, or more, correct. A tie-breaker consisted of each team acting out two words, and the winner being the team who did it in less time.
I don't recall how long that lasted, but it shortly thereafter went back to the original format.