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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: chris319 on July 02, 2006, 01:49:41 AM
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You're a CBS program executive for a day. Assuming:
a) a prime time slot, and
b) Ricki Lake as emcee
which GSM show would you bring back on a weekly basis?
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My vote was for PYL, because it's definitely "active viewing," much like DoND, before all of the "This is Your Life" stuff got thrown in. Not only that, but it's a very recognizable show, and, pending the host is even halfway decent, can be a pretty decent show for CBS, I think. Heck, even if one didn't recognize the show offhand, it's very easy for casual viewers to understand the premise of the game and get involved right away.
I don't think they'd have to up the money from what they were using on GSM, but, if they really wanted to produce six-figure winners (which I guess is the goal of so many primetime game shows nowadays), based on what we saw on GSM, just double the dollar amounts.
My "honorable mention" would have to be CS, minus the car bonus game, for pretty much the same reasons...;)
Anthony
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My vote went to PYL because it was my highest scored episode from GSM. CS also would work in a weekly slot if they just ditch that poor excuse for a car bonus gane. I don't mind the one from the CBs version(Eubanks).
Anyway, PYL deserves another shot on TV. Its format is very recognizable & easy to follow along. Mu only hope is those slides better not be what they looked like on GSM Yuck!
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MG with actual contestants. I feel that the show's execution was good, and the celebs had pretty good interaction. The questions had enough innuendo without making anyone blush in embarassment.
Use some D-listers like Kathy Griffin and Bruce Vilanch, who could prolly play off each other well. Throw in another semi-reg for Dawson's chair, and with the remaining three, I'd consider using three stars from CBS shows. It's good promotion for CBS' primetime lineup, and for the shows themselves. In a way, one hand washes the other.
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With Ricki : Family Feud. I thought she was fine at it....and gawd knows better than Karn and Louie...
Without Ricki : Match Game.
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I voted for Let's Make a Deal because, of the seven, it is the show I would least want to see anyway, thus maximizing my chances of not having to watch Ricki Lake host any more game shows. (Full disclosure: I didn't see any of the GSM after show 3, so I can only base my opinion on what I did see.)
I'm trying desperately not to say anything about the "silent" votes for PYL so far. I'll just say that I think another poll, replacing "Ricki Lake as emcee" with "a pet rock as emcee", would have surprisingly similar results in that column.
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Feud, which has the most recognition, the best chance for success with Ricki at the helm, and the most flexible format.
If I was just entertaining myself, I'd bring back Card Sharks, but maybe that can be further down the road.
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I was really split between "Card Sharks" and "PYL" but I decided to vote for PYL because it might carry a bit more weight in "name recognition" and, if done right, could really be a very exciting game to watch on a regular basis (That's not to say "CS" couldn't be the same either).
-Joe R.
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"Match Game" has the advantage of having celebrities as a necessary part of the program, where the others don't, thus allowing for CBS show cross-promotion.
If Ricki's gonna be the host, it would be my hope that she could convince some of the people with whom she's done movies (John Waters, Kathleen Turner, etc.) to guest, although Kathy G., Bruce and Adam C. would be good as the Brett, Charles and Richard of today.
Set should be roomier, maybe have a telestrator instead of cards, superficial changes like that. Six or seven weeks for a half-hour would be ideal.
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I voted for Let's Make A Deal (yes, I voted for a non-Goodson show).
Ricki wasn't the impediment on Let's Make A Deal; the celebrity contestants were the impediment. They were too blase about winning or losing, and it sapped all the drama and excitement out of the show. If played with civilian contestants, and not day-hire extras as on the Billy Bush version, LMAD has the most potential for suspense and surprises.
Match Game is a very staid format when you strip away the comedy and the personalities. It benefits greatly from shortening the writing time in post, which was not done on GSM. Kathy, Adam and Betty contributed a LOT. I would like to see a more flamboyant panelist in chair #3.
Card Sharks is fun and excitement and Ricki did a good job with it. Family Feud works a lot better without a whooping studio audience, a scenery-chewing emcee, and with the legacy Score Productions music.
If I were Herman Fremantle I would try to lure Barbara Hunter in to oversee my game shows. She has a wonderful sense of how these shows should be done.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'123097\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:12 AM\']
Match Game is a very staid format when you strip away the comedy and the personalities. It benefits greatly from shortening the writing time in post, which was not done on GSM. Kathy, Adam and Betty contributed a LOT. I would like to see a more flamboyant panelist in chair #3.
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Would Rip Taylor be considered too flamboyant? Or would he just be too old?
How about one of the IGAS panelists, say, Lewis de Caro?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'123101\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:36 AM\']How about one of the IGAS panelists, say, Lewis de Caro?[/quote]
It's Frank DeCaro, and you're right, he would certainly fill the flamboyant chair just fine. (Note #74 to GSM Producers: "Gay" does not necessarily equal "flamboyant." Bruce Vilanch is fine, but he's not a CNR type.)
But because they seemed to understand the game a little bit more than the others, and assuming we cut whichever show we do down to a half-hour, then my vote is for Match Game as well.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'123103\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:46 AM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'123101\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:36 AM\']How about one of the IGAS panelists, say, Lewis de Caro?[/quote]
It's Frank DeCaro
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Ahh, mea culpa. Somehow Lewis Black's name entered my mind...must be the Daily Show connection.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'123104\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:52 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'123103\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:46 AM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'123101\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 10:36 AM\']How about one of the IGAS panelists, say, Lewis de Caro?[/quote]It's Frank DeCaro[/quote]Ahh, mea culpa. Somehow Lewis Black's name entered my mind...must be the Daily Show connection.[/quote]
That is exactly what I guessed you had done.
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With the caveat of "Ricki Hosts," I opted for PYL. Ricki was loud, PYL is a loud game. A match made in heaven.
Without Ricki, I'd probably commission Match Game. If you need to do an hour, don't stretch one game out, do 2 or 3 games (with straddling).
IMO, PYL was the 4th best show in the line up (MG, CS, FF precede it. TPiR, LMaD, BtC follow it).
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'123085\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 04:25 AM\']
I voted for Let's Make a Deal because, of the seven, it is the show I would least want to see anyway, thus maximizing my chances of not having to watch Ricki Lake host any more game shows.
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Hear, hear. This is the exact reason I didn't vote at all.
I'm trying desperately not to say anything about the "silent" votes for PYL so far. I'll just say that I think another poll, replacing "Ricki Lake as emcee" with "a pet rock as emcee", would have surprisingly similar results in that column.
Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised either.
EDIT: I threw LMAD a vote just to see how the results shook out.
Oh. My. FSM. Robert's too nice, but I feel no such compunction: some of you guys REALLY don't Get It, and would have voted for PYL if the host were Andrew "Dice" Clay instead of Ricki Lake.
/come to think of it, _I_ would vote for PYL under those circumstances
/two spins you still have to take, you c***sucker
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So far I'm surprised to see Match Game getting as many votes as it is (27.5%).
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I was really torn. LMAD shocked me as to how ready it seemed to be produced on a regular basis. PYL was decent enough, and I liked how right the MG panel was. I'm also a sucker for that awesome new "Feud" set and would vote for it only if I saw Ricki host once with civillian contestants and prove she could be more...normal. As it stands, I voted for MG, but LMAD was a cloooooose second. I concur with Chris' sentiments as pertained to LMAD.
-Jason
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Considering that Price and Feud are currently on the air (however a shell of their former selves they are), I personally would like to see a PYL (shocking!)/CS combo hour, since they make good companions. But IMO, the best production overall was Match Game, and I believe it's the show they would have to make the least amount of changes from special to series, so I'd roll with that.
Tyshaun
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I'm equally amused to see that The Price is Right has 0 votes. I'm cringing to see what show won the "Page O'Clips" #1 show...hopefully, if it did win, he'll show some standard episode that had very little fanfare.
That said, I'd vote for PYL, simply because it has name recognizance, and could possibly pave the way for other shows. (And, like other shows on the air, requires very little intelligence). As an aside--I didn't vote in the poll.
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I would have to go with PYL. I'm not even that much of a fan of the game, but I just think it was the most well-executed show, and the one that Ricki did the best job of hosting. And it would appeal to the masses for much the same reasons that DoND does - it has the suspense, the excitement, and of course, the big bucks.
I also think that MG could work very well in prime time, but not with Ricki, who I thought was just barely passable as a MG host. I think the show needs someone with a colorful personality who won't upstage the panelists, but won't take a back seat to them either. And I concur that Frank DeCaro would be a great fit for the CNR seat.
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I voted for Press Your Luck. Even though it was done a few years ago, it needs to be done like it was on GSM (except for the slide problems like others stated). I thought the set would look dated by today's standards but I was shocked when it didn't. It looked awesome. It could look just like it did and I wouldn't have a thing to say about it.
Even though it was a nice touch at the time, we don't need Double Whammies and 3D Whammy animations. Crisper, redrawn versions of the old 2-D ones, with new 2-D ones thrown in would be great, but lose the 3-D schtick, it just didn't have the same sparkle when he took away the money. If they had to keep something from Whammy!, I'd have to go with the "Big Bank".
Match Game would be a close second for me, but I think it would be hard to assemble a good panel all of the time that would not turn it into MG98. When we watched the MG episode, my girlfriend, who isn't the biggest game show fan (but I've got her coming around) said "I'd watch it if it came back like this, I like Match Game".
As for Card Sharks, it would be nice if GSN could pick it up like it was on GSM (minus that odd bonus round), pair it up with another new version of a "Vegas-type game show" (Joker's Wild?) and place them in "Casino Night" as a weekly offering. Wishful thinking, but who knows these days?
I don't know, with the direction GSN is going these days (more towards game shows again) I looked at the GSM as a little window shopping for GSN execs as well. Maybe if they liked what they saw, they could contact Fremantle and say that they want to try one of those shows (minus Price and Feud, and maybe MG with the celeb factor).
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Seeing all of the votes 'Press Your Luck' is getting I take it 'Whammy!' didn't cut it for many of you. I'd like to see 'Match Game' be a pilot for a revival. I thought it was well cast and executed.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'123136\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 04:21 PM\']
Seeing all of the votes 'Press Your Luck' is getting I take it 'Whammy!' didn't cut it for many of you.
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Whammy was okay, but the execution was a bit off. They improved things for season two, and I honestly was a bit disappointed when it was cancelled.
That being said, I felt the execution was still much better for the Marathon, except for the celebrities.
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Y'know, give the show a modern set, let Ricki get her footing (remember: Any and all game show hosts were rusty once), throw some actual contestants, I'd think we'd have a decent Match Game revival that doesn't resort to double-entendres and Bill Clinton jokes.
I would say PYL would be second, but not with Ricki. I'd suggest Todd but he'd joygasm over someone hitting $500, so I don't know.
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Honestly, I love all of those shows, but with Ricki Lake hosting...it's really not worth it.
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I'm cringing to see what show won the "Page O'Clips" #1 show...
You'll find no reason to cringe. It's a good one. At least I think so, heheh.
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Red\' post=\'123147\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 03:08 PM\']
Honestly, I love all of those shows, but with Ricki Lake hosting...it's really not worth it.
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Agreed! ..... although, I voted for PYL, for the sake of the poll. I feel it would have the best chance of making it, even with Ricki hosting. I felt it was the best in this GSM series. MG could be great again, but not with Ricki Lake.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'123070\' date=\'Jul 1 2006, 10:49 PM\']
You're a CBS program executive for a day. Assuming:
a) a prime time slot, and
b) Ricki Lake as emcee
which GSM show would you bring back on a weekly basis?
[/quote]Pass, play or double? Pass. I'll let the other team tackle this. While I'd love to see the return of "Card Sharks" done properly, and now we have proof that "Match Game" can be done properly...I don't think any of them would be something other than a waste of tape. "Press Your Luck" and "Let's Make a Deal" would be worst of all.
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Which one had the least Rich Fields?
(I wouldn't really make my decision based on that, I just wanted to see how high Playpal could jump.)
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I'd vote for Press Your Luck, because I think it would have a better-than-average change at a high audience. The kids would probably gravitate toward that more than some of the others, the "old school" people like us would eat up the revival, and the much bigger bucks that people would be risking would make it more exciting by today's standards.
Second choice would be Card Sharks.
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I didn't realize until *after* I voted that Ricki Lake hosting was a condition. I voted for "Match Game", thinking they can use someone else. Even with Ricki, it can still be a good show as long as there's a reasonably solid panel (Kathy Griffin, Bruce Vilanch, maybe Adam Carolla as a semi-regular, and perhaps some MG veterans popping in once in a while). I also like the idea of cross-promoting other CBS shows.
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[quote name=\'GiraffeBoy\' post=\'123189\' date=\'Jul 3 2006, 01:33 PM\']
I didn't realize until *after* I voted that Ricki Lake hosting was a condition.
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Pity you apparently can't read.
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Given that the polls are leaning towards PYL, let me pose this cosmetic question to the masses:
If you did bring back PYL to a regular CBS timeslot with Ricki hosting, would you...
a) Bring back and use the original Whammy animations, and create more "old school whammy" bits for the mix,
b) Use the "new school" 3-D computer generated Whammy animations from the GSN run and build on that library of bits (sans the Double Whammys),
c) Use them both, or
d) create an entirely new collection, either in old school or new school formats.
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Well, some would have to be redrawn anyway if they went with the classic ones. MrGameShow can correct me if I'm wrong, but, if I recall correctly, we had a hell of a time finding any Whammies (icons for the board or animations) whatsoever. I think we were going to have to literally redraw them from scratch if worse came to worse. Luckily, we did finally get the board slides thanks to someone, but I have no idea how we got the Whammy animations unless they were just lifted off episodes. Personally, I liked the CGI Whammies. It was the only thing I liked about Whammy. However, I think a 2D update to the old Whammies could keep the classic feeling while being modern.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'123198\' date=\'Jul 3 2006, 03:58 PM\']
If you did bring back PYL to a regular CBS timeslot with Ricki hosting, would you...
a) Bring back and use the original Whammy animations, and create more "old school whammy" bits for the mix,
b) Use the "new school" 3-D computer generated Whammy animations from the GSN run and build on that library of bits (sans the Double Whammys),
c) Use them both, or
d) create an entirely new collection, either in old school or new school formats.
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e) eviscerate myself with a rusty butter knife, as I am clearly not fit to exist on the planet making programming decisions like that
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'123200\' date=\'Jul 3 2006, 06:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'123198\' date=\'Jul 3 2006, 03:58 PM\']
If you did bring back PYL to a regular CBS timeslot with Ricki hosting, would you...
a) Bring back and use the original Whammy animations, and create more "old school whammy" bits for the mix,
b) Use the "new school" 3-D computer generated Whammy animations from the GSN run and build on that library of bits (sans the Double Whammys),
c) Use them both, or
d) create an entirely new collection, either in old school or new school formats.
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e) eviscerate myself with a rusty butter knife, as I am clearly not fit to exist on the planet making programming decisions like that
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f) rather watch that ;-D
Doug
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I voted for PYL because the studio audience really got into it, which I hope would translate to the home audience getting into it, and also because when the stakes got high, Ricki's loud voice would fit in. Pacing and slide problems could easily be improved with more rehearsal time than the tight GSM schedule could afford.
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'123198\' date=\'Jul 3 2006, 05:58 PM\']
If you did bring back PYL to a regular CBS timeslot with Ricki hosting, would you...
a) Bring back and use the original Whammy animations, and create more "old school whammy" bits for the mix,
b) Use the "new school" 3-D computer generated Whammy animations from the GSN run and build on that library of bits (sans the Double Whammys),
c) Use them both, or
d) create an entirely new collection, either in old school or new school formats.
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Probably closest to your D answer. Keep them two-dimensional, but with more frames of animation (for example, actually synching the mouths to the dialogue). Re-animate some of the classic skits and create some new ones.
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Scott Robinson
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'123368\' date=\'Jul 5 2006, 03:30 PM\']
I voted for PYL because the studio audience really got into it, which I hope would translate to the home audience getting into it, and also because when the stakes got high, Ricki's loud voice would fit in. Pacing and slide problems could easily be improved with more rehearsal time than the tight GSM schedule could afford.
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I would be absolutely dumbfounded and upset if they bring PYL back. People, we JUST got Whammy! three years ago, and in its second season, there was really not much wrong with it. Please tell me how Fremantle would produce another iteration different that what we saw in Whammy!
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123397\' date=\'Jul 5 2006, 09:26 PM\']
People, we JUST got Whammy! three years ago, and in its second season, there was really not much wrong with it. Please tell me how Fremantle would produce another iteration different that what we saw in Whammy!
Brandon Brooks
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Higher stakes. Cooler board. Fewer crappy prizes. Contestants who aren't over-the-top annoying. Better host. Better first round. None of that Double Whammy extraneous crap.
Hey, you asked.
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Before I respond, I meant to say how could Fremantle *improve* upon what we saw in Whammy!
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'123412\' date=\'Jul 5 2006, 10:57 PM\']
Higher stakes.
[/quote]More money does not a good game make. Next
Cooler board.
How wasn't w!'s board not "cool?" And please tell this 24-year-old fogey what is "cool" nowadays?
Fewer crappy prizes.
See Press Your Luck, The Original.
Contestants who aren't over-the-top annoying.
Name a game show on the air today that doesn't consistantly have over the top contestants. I can only think of J! and WWTBAM?
Better host.
I *might* give you this, but only marginally. Todd wasn't bad.
Better first round.
What was wrong with it?
None of that Double Whammy extraneous crap.
You are right on this.
Hey, you asked.
I know. But I'm still not convinced.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123397\' date=\'Jul 5 2006, 09:26 PM\']I would be absolutely dumbfounded and upset if they bring PYL back. People, we JUST got Whammy! three years ago, and in its second season, there was really not much wrong with it. Please tell me how Fremantle would produce another iteration different that what we saw in Whammy![/quote]
Just because a show has recently been done means that it shouldn't be done again? I agree that Whammy! was fun, but because of the prize budget restrictions, they couldn't make a game board with much strategy to it (the correct strategy was always to pass). For the same reason, they had to greatly increase the ratio of prize squares to cash squares, and it is more fun to see contestants win cash. So there are two answers right there, fewer prize squares and more "+ one spin" squares to put some more strategy and excitement back in the game.
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123413\' date=\'Jul 5 2006, 11:16 PM\']More money does not a good game make.[/quote]
I agree, but in this case, when the game is all about luck and risking large amounts of money on a single spin, keeping the top dollar values large is important. If they used values similar to the ones on GSM, players would be risking five-figure amounts more often, which would create more excitement. (And since this hypothetical question puts the show in prime time, a top value of $10,000 + one spin won't break the show.)
Better board value distribution, no Double Whammies, keep the board rectangular so you can get a larger shot of the contestant as they're spinning, and you've got the improvements to Whammy! that you seek. (And personally, I liked Whammy!'s round one better than the original round one, so you could work that in so that the show isn't two halves of the same thing.)
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Scott Robinson
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'123461\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 11:25 AM\']
I agree, but in this case, when the game is all about luck and risking large amounts of money on a single spin, keeping the top dollar values large is important. If they used values similar to the ones on GSM, players would be risking five-figure amounts more often, which would create more excitement. (And since this hypothetical question puts the show in prime time, a top value of $10,000 + one spin won't break the show.)
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Well put. While a strong game like Password would be interesting played for 50 bucks and a free vacuum, PYL would not.
Just because lots of other shows have annoying contestants doesn't mean that every game should. It also strikes me that Whammy's were particularly awful (i.e. Skylar).
I liked Todd Newton on Hollywood Shootout, but he was too Eubanks-y on Whammy. And I'd be tempted to seek out somebody with a little more name recognition for a once-a-week prime time show.
And the first round bored me--it was basically keep spinning 'til you or someone else gets a whammy. I found it dull.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'123482\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 02:10 PM\']
And the first round bored me--it was basically keep spinning 'til you or someone else gets a whammy. I found it dull.
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Me too. I had no problem with PYL's original format, it was basically "here's how the game works, you earn spins like this, see, and then you use them on this board over here, and if you don't do so good, it's no big deal, 'cuz we're gonna do it again for real in a moment." I'm a big fan of games where the early rounds aren't as meaningful so as to give new contestants a chance to get relaxed.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'123461\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 11:25 AM\']
Just because a show has recently been done means that it shouldn't be done again?
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Did I say this, because I don't think I did. A show shouldn't be done again so soon if the new show can't really improve upon the recently departed. I really wish a new, improved Pyramid was on the air right now; Donnymid had so many flaws, the game was destroyed for me.
I agree that Whammy! was fun, but because of the prize budget restrictions, they couldn't make a game board with much strategy to it (the correct strategy was always to pass). For the same reason, they had to greatly increase the ratio of prize squares to cash squares, and it is more fun to see contestants win cash. So there are two answers right there, fewer prize squares and more "+ one spin" squares to put some more strategy and excitement back in the game.
Maybe more spins on the board would be good, but if the prizes are good enough, it doesn't matter what's cash or what's prizes during play. "$30,500" on a player's tote, whether it's a Nissan 350Z or the amount in cash, makes not a bit of difference.
I agree, but in this case, when the game is all about luck and risking large amounts of money on a single spin, keeping the top dollar values large is important. If they used values similar to the ones on GSM, players would be risking five-figure amounts more often, which would create more excitement. (And since this hypothetical question puts the show in prime time, a top value of $10,000 + one spin won't break the show.)
You know what, you're absolutely right. Mo' money is a good thing in prime time. Still doesn't really improve the game over TANPYL.
(1) Better board value distribution, (2) no Double Whammies, (3) keep the board rectangular so you can get a larger shot of the contestant as they're spinning, and you've got the improvements to Whammy! that you seek.
(1) Maybe, (2) absolutely, and (3) not at all. The aesethetics of the board seem so immaterial to the game play. I saw the contestant just fine.
I may just have to agree to disagree, but I don't see the need to bring this show back over other quality shows like Match Game or Card Sharks. Those two shows were massacred in their last iterations; Whammy! was just fine to me, and the few improvements I see that could be made doesn't make it seem like it would be a golden goose to me. But of course, YMMV.
To hell with all of these shows, bring Sale back with Ricki as a 'co-emcee' in the Summer Bartholomew role. At least she won't be running the show.
Brandon Brooks
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Lord knows I'm no Ricki Lake fan, but I think given time she could grow into the right show.
I would rather watch classic MG than either PYL or Whammy!, but I think the inflated dollar values suit PYL better than MG.
Pyramid is proof that it's never too soon for a new version that improves on the old. The 50KP was awful* and lasted less than six months. But the following fall, CBS debuted the "New" $25KP, which ran nearly six years.
* except in comparison to Osmond. To wit: - They cut the payout roughly in half.
- You won the tournament by clearing the Winner's Circle, but you could qualify without ever sitting there.
- If you had too big a lead, you ended up forfeiting one of your chances to qualify.
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To hell with all of these shows, bring Sale back with Ricki as a 'co-emcee' in the Summer Bartholomew role. At least she won't be running the show.
Nah, I'd get Summer Altice for that gig. She's a lot easier on the eyes than Ricki. :P
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123498\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 10:05 PM\'][quote name=\'MSTieScott\' post=\'123461\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 11:25 AM\']
Just because a show has recently been done means that it shouldn't be done again?
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Did I say this, because I don't think I did. A show shouldn't be done again so soon if the new show can't really improve upon the recently departed.[/quote]
I read that as "a show shouldn't be done again if it's been done recently," but I apologize if I misintepreted. Though I still partially disagree with the sentiment above -- depending on the quality of the recently departed show, if it came back a couple years later of equal quality, it could be a good thing. For example, if Hollywood Squares came back at the same level of quality it was in 2004, I'd be happy to see it again.
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123498\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 10:05 PM\']Maybe more spins on the board would be good, but if the prizes are good enough, it doesn't matter what's cash or what's prizes during play. "$30,500" on a player's tote, whether it's a Nissan 350Z or the amount in cash, makes not a bit of difference.[/quote]
That's true. Though there are a finite number of prizes and trip destinations that are exciting to win, so I think a good board would still have to be mostly cash, but an increase of desirable prizes would be fine.
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'123498\' date=\'Jul 6 2006, 10:05 PM\'](1) Better board value distribution, (2) no Double Whammies, (3) keep the board rectangular so you can get a larger shot of the contestant as they're spinning, and you've got the improvements to Whammy! that you seek.
(1) Maybe, (2) absolutely, and (3) not at all. The aesethetics of the board seem so immaterial to the game play. I saw the contestant just fine.[/quote]
Admittedly, that's not crucial to the success of the show, but I was just coming up with improvements to Whammy!. On PYL, you could better see the contestant, which drew you in to how they played the game. On Whammy!, it was such a relatively small torso shot that you didn't feel as connected to the contestant. Not vital, but a small improvement.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on which show would be the best choice to revive in prime time. I like Card Sharks and Match Game, too. (Though personally, I don't think Card Sharks has a prime time feel. If they played with the same types of questions they used on GSM, it would make a great companion show for syndicated Feud, though. But with a perfect panel chemistry, I can see Match Game working in prime time.)
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The contestant was the least of my concerns when I saw the "Whammy" board - remember how much dead space there was in season one when the board was more oval? Not to mention the earlier shows where the font was smaller, you had a tough time telling what was going on. The rectangle was just easier to follow - but then again, a lot of the changes for W! seemed to be made so it was intentionally hard to follow the board (blue backgrounds for whammy, etc.)
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'123090\' date=\'Jul 2 2006, 08:24 AM\']
I was really split between "Card Sharks" and "PYL" but I decided to vote for PYL because it might carry a bit more weight in "name recognition" and, if done right, could really be a very exciting game to watch on a regular basis (That's not to say "CS" couldn't be the same either).
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Agree 100%...it's a tough choice between these two because these were the ones I enjoyed the most (with MG being a VERY close third). Take the celebs out of the mix and both shows would work well (although for me, CS played MUCH MUCH better with celebs than PYL did).
CS has that pesky 'problem' of potential straddling games though so I think PYL is a more practical choice for today's TV landscape. I'm still stunned that this show hasn't been tried in a revival on network TV. It appears to have everything going for it...name recognition, self contained games and most importantly: the coveted TV demographic grew up with this show. Done correctly and with the right promotion, I think it could do very well.
But what do I know? :)
Bryan
itsbry@juno.com
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[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'123541\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 10:11 AM\']
CS has that pesky 'problem' of potential straddling games though
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So does Deal Or No Deal, and that seems to be doing quite well.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'123542\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 01:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'123541\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 10:11 AM\']
CS has that pesky 'problem' of potential straddling games though
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So does Deal Or No Deal, and that seems to be doing quite well.
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True...I guess this isn't as big a deal in prime time as it would be on cable or syndicated shows.
Bryan
itsbry@juno.com
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[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'123541\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 01:11 PM\']
CS has that pesky 'problem' of potential straddling games.
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Would be interesting to see Fremantle bring back another G-T show as a companion to Feud. It's ard to say if Feud will be back for a ninth season if ratings don't improve with the host and whatever format changes are in store (one more renewal would make this incarnation of Feud last as long as the original Dawson run). Fremantle doesn't even show the Feud champions' runs in order sometimes, correct?. Ergo, I don't see them doing a show with straddled games. If CS comes back, I'm betting they'll play to time a la Davidson and the first five years of Bergeron HS.
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[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'123543\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 10:21 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'123542\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 01:12 PM\']
[quote name=\'ITSBRY\' post=\'123541\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 10:11 AM\']
CS has that pesky 'problem' of potential straddling games though
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So does Deal Or No Deal, and that seems to be doing quite well.
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True...I guess this isn't as big a deal in prime time as it would be on cable or syndicated shows.
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What about Millionaire?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'123575\' date=\'Jul 7 2006, 08:25 PM\']
What about Millionaire?[/quote]
I think ITSBRY put 'problem' in quotes for a reason. The straddling issue is only an issue to the producers who choose to make it an issue.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on which show would be the best choice to revive in prime time. I like Card Sharks and Match Game, too. (Though personally, I don't think Card Sharks has a prime time feel. If they played with the same types of questions they used on GSM, it would make a great companion show for syndicated Feud, though. But with a perfect panel chemistry, I can see Match Game working in prime time.)
You see, I also didn't vote in the poll because I have absolutely no interest in seeing Ricki Lake touch another game show; therefore, none of these shows should be revived with her at the helm (I think she would actually work well for The View where Rosie will be... Star, probably not. *) But I have to admit one, that MG needs a really good panel chemistry in order to do well, and that two, CS may not be prime time suitable.
a lot of the changes for W! seemed to be made so it was intentionally hard to follow the board (blue backgrounds for whammy, etc.)
For who--the contestants or the viewers? Because neither makes much sense to me.
Brandon Brooks
*Yes, I am a male and I have seen The View, but ONLY during TPiR's commercial breaks. Even I can't sit through that whole show.
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I meant for the contestants - whammies that blended in with the other slides (so one could not simply STOP! when there were few whammies on the board as easily as in the past) and the fact every 9 squares changed in the second round rather than all 18 as in round 1/classic PYL screamed at me as ways to disorient the contestants so it was only their luck that got them big bucks and not any craftiness. Not trying to start any conspiracy theories, but the show did have a number of fans on its staff, a group privy to the craftiness I mention.
Of course, they could've just decided blue was a nicer color than yellow and the half-switching looked cool, but that's my opinion.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'123607\' date=\'Jul 8 2006, 01:50 AM\']
I meant for the contestants - whammies that blended in with the other slides (so one could not simply STOP! when there were few whammies on the board as easily as in the past) and the fact every 9 squares changed in the second round rather than all 18 as in round 1/classic PYL screamed at me as ways to disorient the contestants so it was only their luck that got them big bucks and not any craftiness. Not trying to start any conspiracy theories, but the show did have a number of fans on its staff, a group privy to the craftiness I mention.
Of course, they could've just decided blue was a nicer color than yellow and the half-switching looked cool, but that's my opinion.
-Jason
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Hey other Jason! Long time, no see.
Actually, the "shuffly" slides, as I like to call them, were not half-switched... every SIX squares changed in the second round, so it's not half-switching. No, no, it's more like... third-switching...?
Yea, sure...that works!!!
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I suspect CBS would have been better off ratingswise doing seven primetime TPIRs rather than the GSM this summer. Yeah, it didn't work 20 years ago against Cosby/Family Ties reruns, but the recent primetime specials have gotten as good or better ratings at the GSM shows got. They could have used either Barker, or if they were really brave, one of the TPIR Live hosts, as the host. Million Dollar bonus spins are not necessary. Offer the million dollar prize to someone who comes within daytime DSW range on their showcase.
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There seems to be a reel out there of Whammy animations--GSN had access to it for that "Whammy's Greatest Hits" promo they did during the prime time repeat run, where they matted them over a freeze frame of Radio City Music Hall far shots cribbed from the "Wheel" first New York shows, IIRC.
I only mention that because people at the time pointed out that it included some animations that weren't seen in the first group of eps they bought (like the "Whammy Nelson" one).