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When did CBS stop calling the studio that hosts TPIR televsion city?
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[quote name=\'bradhig\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 01:06 PM\'] When did CBS stop calling the studio that hosts TPIR televsion city? [/quote]
Would it be about the time it was renamed the Bob Barker Studio, spring 1998?
BTW, H2 (which tapes in 33/BBS), still labels itself as being taped in TV City.
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[quote name=\'bradhig\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 12:06 PM\'] When did CBS stop calling the studio that hosts TPIR televsion city? [/quote]
I wasn't aware that they ever stopped calling it "Television City."
Granted, nowadays announcers don't make the announcement as Rod used to do on PYL, "From Television City in Hollywood!" (what a concept--announcers making announcements) But even before they renamed 33 for Barker I don't think Johnny or Rod ever used the "fTCiH" line in introducing TPiR (Johnny also never used it on MG7x).
I couldn't begin to speculate on the reasons why the line fell out of use. But just because the line hasn't been used doesn't mean that Television City isn't still the name of CBS' west coast facility (a place I'm planning to visit for the very first time this summer).
Doug
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From what I understand, the building itself is still "Television City", and that one specific studio within the building is the Bob Barker Studio....
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I seem to remember the announcer proclaiming the "TC" announcements on many shows...Tattletales, Family Feud (Combs), PYL, Pyramid, et al. Why they stopped doing this, is beyond me......
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But even before they renamed 33 for Barker I don't think Johnny or Rod ever used the "fTCiH" line in introducing TPiR
Actually, one of the multitude of openings in the first year or so contained the line, "and now, from Television City in Hollywood, here's the star of the new Price is Right..." And in yet another, it opened up: "FROM Television City in Hollywood, a fortune in fabulous prizes may go to these people today..."
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 02:18 PM\']
But even before they renamed 33 for Barker I don't think Johnny or Rod ever used the "fTCiH" line in introducing TPiR
Actually, one of the multitude of openings in the first year or so contained the line, "and now, from Television City in Hollywood, here's the star of the new Price is Right..." And in yet another, it opened up: "FROM Television City in Hollywood, a fortune in fabulous prizes may go to these people today..."
-Jason [/quote]
Didn't realize that. I didn't really wise up to Johnny O.'s intro until the late seventies, by which time the line was not incorporated into his spiel (and the few half-hour TPiR episodes I remember GSN showing I don't think had that line, but I could certainly be wrong about that).
Doug
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[quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 01:44 PM\'] I seem to remember the announcer proclaiming the "TC" announcements on many shows...Tattletales, Family Feud (Combs), PYL, Pyramid, et al. Why they stopped doing this, is beyond me...... [/quote]
On the CBS Tic Tac Dough, it began "From Television City in Hollywood, it's everyone's favorite game of..." yadda yadda yadda.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 01:22 PM\'][quote name=\'bradhig\' date=\'Mar 15 2004, 12:06 PM\'] When did CBS stop calling the studio that hosts TPIR televsion city? [/quote]
I wasn't aware that they ever stopped calling it "Television City."
Granted, nowadays announcers don't make the announcement as Rod used to do on PYL, "From Television City in Hollywood!" (what a concept--announcers making announcements) But even before they renamed 33 for Barker I don't think Johnny or Rod ever used the "fTCiH" line in introducing TPiR (Johnny also never used it on MG7x).
I couldn't begin to speculate on the reasons why the line fell out of use. But just because the line hasn't been used doesn't mean that Television City isn't still the name of CBS' west coast facility (a place I'm planning to visit for the very first time this summer).[/quote]
A combination of things--generally, shows that produce at TV City either have no announcer or don't want to advertise that they're at a facility associated with CBS (that would be syndication or "Idol"), although they may run the credit at the end. Also, since G-T shows were so spotty on using the TV City ID, I suspect that Goodson didn't like using that line and tried to fight it.
On the other hand, every day the announcer on the Disney-owned, airing on mostly-ABC-owned stations "Wayne Brady Show" proclaims "From Television City in Hollywood!" in her intro--so what do I know?
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I recall, even Burton never said that on NTPIR '94 anything about TV city.
A lot of it is that TV city implies CBS. It just leads to confusion. (Squares and Bill Maher's show credit TV City at the end though)
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Outside of TPIR, Kilborn and the two soaps, what other CBS network shows tape there any more? If the producer of a syndicated show or a show for another network is shooting there and is paying beaucoup bucks for the privelege, CBS has no real leverage in requiring them to open their shows with that silly line. You certainly don't open a soap opera with it.
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Most of the reason the Television City ID was perpetuated was because Mike Ogiens mandated it when he was in charge there. I have no idea when and why the mandate was dropped, if it coincided with Ogiens's departure, or why certain Goodson-Todman shows were exempt from the mandate.
I do know that Price was "strong-armed" into using the ID phrase early on, which accounts for the experimentation mentioned earlier in the thread. I do have to wonder why that ceased, though. Maybe Goodson said, "Well, we'll just take this show to ABC, then" - a phrase he learned was a nice little leveraging tool on several occasions.
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Mike Ogiens was never in charge of TV City. He may have required a few non-GT game shows to use the line when he was head of daytime.
The notion that Goodson would threaten to take New TPIR to ABC is laughable for several reasons. In actuality all Mark had to do was pick up the phone and call his friend Bill Paley (or at least threaten to). Matter solved.
Not so laughable is that Family Feud almost wasn't an ABC show for somewhat similar reasons, and that ABC never got a look at the Puzzlers pilot, but that is grist for another thread.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 06:15 AM\'] I do know that Price was "strong-armed" into using the ID phrase early on, which accounts for the experimentation mentioned earlier in the thread. I do have to wonder why that ceased, though. Maybe Goodson said, "Well, we'll just take this show to ABC, then" - a phrase he learned was a nice little leveraging tool on several occasions. [/quote]
Even into the late 1980s, though, the line still found its way into some CBS G/T shows. The early days of Combs FF and the entire run of NYSI89 did manage to get the line in, however, they sneaked it in at the end of the show rather than at the beginning (following the lead of BLACKOUT, a non-G/T show which had the announcer use the line before telling you who he was--might have been Dean Goss).
And CS86 did use it at the top of the show for a few months, before they decided to emphasize the $32,000/new car.
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 11:17 AM\'] (following the lead of BLACKOUT, a non-G/T show which had the announcer use the line before telling you who he was--might have been Dean Goss).
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Blackout had Johnny Gilbert as announcer, and Jay STewart stood in on the final week of shows. As most know, that was Jay Stewart's last time behind the mike.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 11:17 AM\'][quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 06:15 AM\'] I do know that Price was "strong-armed" into using the ID phrase early on, which accounts for the experimentation mentioned earlier in the thread. I do have to wonder why that ceased, though. Maybe Goodson said, "Well, we'll just take this show to ABC, then" - a phrase he learned was a nice little leveraging tool on several occasions. [/quote]
Even into the late 1980s, though, the line still found its way into some CBS G/T shows. The early days of Combs FF and the entire run of NYSI89 did manage to get the line in, however, they sneaked it in at the end of the show rather than at the beginning (following the lead of BLACKOUT, a non-G/T show which had the announcer use the line before telling you who he was--might have been Dean Goss).[/quote]
And on Wolpert's other non-G-T show, "Whew!", Rod never uttered the TV City tag.
For comparison, while "All in the Family" had a voice-over (which I think was Bern Bennett) do the tag over a black screen at the very top of the show until Lear's move to Metromedia, "Maude" never had the TV City tag (but it seems to me that on "Good Times," Ja'net DuBois did say over the credits, "'Good Times' was recorded on tape before a live audience at Television City in Hollywood, baby!").
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I remember on ''Gambit'', announcer Kenny Williams used to say ''And now from Television City in Hollywood, here's the host of 'Gambit', Wink Martindale.'' And I'm pretty sure CBS ''The Joker's Wild'' also had a Television City spoken credit in its opening as well.
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Most of the Barry-Enright CBS shows used that line. When they were syndicated, it was simply "From Hollywood..."
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 07:44 AM\'] The notion that Goodson would threaten to take New TPIR to ABC is laughable for several reasons. [/quote]
Well, that's how your favorite game show, Card Sharks, suddenly found a nice comfy timeslot on the CBS daytime schedule for its 1986 revival.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 09:44 AM\'] Not so laughable is that Family Feud almost wasn't an ABC show for somewhat similar reasons, and that ABC never got a look at the Puzzlers pilot, but that is grist for another thread. [/quote]
I'll be waiting for that story. :-)
BTW, do you know anything about the original idea for Feud was to use two teams of three. I remember something from the True Hollywood Story about how they originally wanted to use celebrity/civilian teams or something like that.
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Thank goodness they didn't!
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 01:16 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 07:44 AM\'] The notion that Goodson would threaten to take New TPIR to ABC is laughable for several reasons. [/quote]
Well, that's how your favorite game show, Card Sharks, suddenly found a nice comfy timeslot on the CBS daytime schedule for its 1986 revival.[/quote]
By threatening to take New TPIR to ABC? There's a 14-year gap in there, honeybunch.
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I merely speculated that Goodson might have made that threat back in 1972, and then stated that he did on at least one other occasion, that being 1985, when his company was preparing the Card Sharks revival.
An ultimatum can be used in more than one decade, sweetcheeks.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 05:00 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Mar 16 2004, 09:44 AM\'] Not so laughable is that Family Feud almost wasn't an ABC show for somewhat similar reasons, and that ABC never got a look at the Puzzlers pilot, but that is grist for another thread. [/quote]
I'll be waiting for that story. :-)
BTW, do you know anything about the original idea for Feud was to use two teams of three. I remember something from the True Hollywood Story about how they originally wanted to use celebrity/civilian teams or something like that.[/quote]
That sounds like that could be "Fast Company," the pilot that originally contained the Fast Money end game that did make it to "Feud." Am I right?
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(but it seems to me that on "Good Times," Ja'net DuBois did say over the credits, "'Good Times' was recorded on tape before a live audience at Television City in Hollywood, baby!")
I don't remember hearing that on the reruns. But John Amos does exclaim "From Television City in Hollywood!" over a black screen at the opening.
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That sounds like that could be "Fast Company," the pilot that originally contained the Fast Money end game that did make it to "Feud." Am I right?
Wrong. It dealt with the "steal" on FF which I covered in another thread.
Back to the TV City thing: In 1972 G-T was on the comeback trail after the drought of the late '60s when they had no shows on the networks and before they moved to California. In 1972 they had just sold Password to ABC and Goodson was trying to build the company back up. It would not have been an opportune time to start threatening CBS with ultimatums because a) it would have tainted G-T's business relationship with them, and b) because CBS was a prime customer along with NBC. By staying in CBS's good graces G-T was later able to sell or do pilots of Match Game, Celebrity Matchmates, Mindreaders (the CBS pilot), Tattletales, Now You See It and others. In 1972 there was really no point in locking horns and giving ultimatums over a trifle like the Television City line, which is probably why they fumbled around with it for a while.
Now, SplitSecond, dear, can you fill us in on the details of Goodson's 1986 Card Sharks ultimatum? 1986 was the year Barker had Marc Breslow thrown off TPIR so it was a good year for ultimatums.
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Mar 17 2004, 04:30 PM\']
(but it seems to me that on "Good Times," Ja'net DuBois did say over the credits, "'Good Times' was recorded on tape before a live audience at Television City in Hollywood, baby!")
I don't remember hearing that on the reruns. But John Amos does exclaim "From Television City in Hollywood!" over a black screen at the opening.[/quote]
It now seems to me that it was Isabel Sanford on "The Jeffersons." Oh well, they're all Norman Lear shows.
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I have a cool memory of Television City:
In 1979, I was a contestant on Whew!, and when we were sent to make-up, Suzanne Somers and Joyce DeWitt were both there to get made up for a taping of Three's Company. Even though 3's Company was an ABC show, it was apparently shot at CBS at that time. At that time, the sitcom had just become a big hit, so everybody knew them, but they weren't such big stars that they had become inaccessible yet. It seems funny now to think of these two TV stars being sent to the same makeup room as a bunch of game show contestants--Suzanne and Joyce weren't doing anything connected with Whew!.
One of the male contestants got so thrilled to meet Suzanne Somers that she applied lipstick and put a lip print on a kleenex and signed it for him. I thought he was going to faint for joy!
That was a cool era when being on a network game show really made you feel like a celebrity for a day.
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In 1979, I was a contestant on Whew!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! RANDY AMASIA'S BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!!
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RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! RANDY AMASIA'S BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!!
...which brings up a metaphysical question. If you do return from the grave, do the game show appearances in your previous life limit your eligibility in the next one?
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[quote name=\'scully24\' date=\'Mar 17 2004, 05:00 PM\']
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! RANDY AMASIA'S BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!!
...which brings up a metaphysical question. If you do return from the grave, do the game show appearances in your previous life limit your eligibility in the next one? [/quote]
Probably not, because word on Usenet is that Randy Amasia's corpse will be appearing on Hut Putato and the show will be nu nu nu!
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Mar 17 2004, 08:23 PM\'] [quote name=\'scully24\' date=\'Mar 17 2004, 05:00 PM\']
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! RANDY AMASIA'S BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!!
...which brings up a metaphysical question. If you do return from the grave, do the game show appearances in your previous life limit your eligibility in the next one? [/quote]
Probably not, because word on Usenet is that Randy Amasia's corpse will be appearing on Hut Putato and the show will be nu nu nu! [/quote]
Wuld tat be funi?
I'll be spending my 4-day weekend in the Chamber Chamber.