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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: golden-road on September 03, 2018, 10:23:55 AM
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Per this tweet, Classic Concentration will start on Buzzr 10/1. https://twitter.com/BUZZRplay/status/1036619828465938432/photo/
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Well, this is unexpected and exciting!
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Very good news, and Concentration is 60 years old this year. It also allowed Alex Trebek to show his humorous side, especially on the Halloween week shows where he dressed up in costume.
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Good to hear; hoping it actually happens (the Wordplay experience makes me a tiny bit cautious).
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Best news. Selfishly hoping for an evening slot since I have to rely on the BUZZR livestream.
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Not to sound ungrateful, since it's great news...but is there any chance this could eventually lead to the Narz version being added as well? It's never been re-aired to my knowledge and would be pretty cool to see again.
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Best news. Selfishly hoping for an evening slot since I have to rely on the BUZZR livestream.
No such luck. 1PM and 1:30 ET.
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Just saw a promo that they're adding 70s To Tell the Truth on that date (the promo showed the last set.) I've also heard they're adding color Password.
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No such luck. 1PM and 1:30 ET.
Does that strike anyone else as odd? A show that literally hasn't aired anywhere for 25 years, but still looks good enough to be semi-modern, that they have probably gotten many requests to air, and it isn't airing in their primetime lineup?
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And they're adding Bruner/Blyden WML.
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Over at Game Show News FB page, there is a rumbling that the 60s syndie run of Password may show up as well. No confirmation yet, but it fits with what era of G-T they're adding to the lineup.
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Seriously? WOW! Congrats to them! Makes one wonder how come BUZZR was able to score this gem, but in all the years GSN has been around, they haven’t been able to score it?
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I wonder what the other “name brand” show would be besides Concentration. I can’t think of anything else besides TPIR or Scrabble that Fremantle would have access to. I’m not fully clear on what it would take for Scrabble to air, and Price seems like a long shot outside of maybe the Cullen shows or the first three CBS years.
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Just saw a promo that they're adding 70s To Tell the Truth on that date (the promo showed the last set.) I've also heard they're adding color Password.
For the “Buzzerless” (like myself, God bless YouTube)...I’m assuming this is the promo in question.
https://youtu.be/FZuNK0Ez650
I wonder what the other “name brand” show would be besides Concentration. I can’t think of anything else besides TPIR or Scrabble that Fremantle would have access to. I’m not fully clear on what it would take for Scrabble to air, and Price seems like a long shot outside of maybe the Cullen shows or the first three CBS years.
I know we’re only prognosticating here but if it’s the latter...if BUZZR is able to get over the NBC hurdle with “Classic Concentration” (in the risk of sounding Pollyanna-ish), anything is possible!
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And they're adding Bruner/Blyden WML.
Were you able to see that from the advanced schedule?
Nevermind my question. Just saw the promo for it.
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So the color syndie versions of “What’s My Line”, “TTTT”, and (possibly) the color episaides of “Password”? I’m guessing here, but it sounds like the B&W block might be getting a makeover.
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And they're adding Bruner/Blyden WML.
Were you able to see that from the advanced schedule?
Nevermind my question. Just saw the promo for it.
Yeah I saw the promo during Password today.
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I’m not fully clear on what it would take for Scrabble to air
Wouldn't they also need approval from Hasbro to air that? I remember that being mentioned as a reason that GSN got the rights from Grundy/Fremantle to air Sale, but not Scrabble.
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I’m not fully clear on what it would take for Scrabble to air
Wouldn't they also need approval from Hasbro to air that? I remember that being mentioned as a reason that GSN got the rights from Grundy/Fremantle to air Sale, but not Scrabble.
Someone I know asked Fremantle about Scrabble and was told Hasbro is in possession of the tapes.
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Why/how would NBC own Classic Concentration if it were a Mark Goodson Production? Just curious.
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From Wikipedia:
Concentration was an NBC in-house production, apart from the earliest episodes. As a result of the 1950s quiz scandals, the network purchased the rights to Concentration and three other games (Twenty One, Dough Re Mi and Tic-Tac-Dough) from producers Barry and Enright. NBC/Universal still holds exclusive rights to both the format and extant episodes of Concentration; however, due to Financial Interest and Syndication Rules, this version is owned by CBS Television Distribution.
Why they only own Concentration and not the other three shows, I don't know.
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Thanks! Never knew that! Glad NBC gave BUZZR the rights then.
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Why they only own Concentration and not the other three shows, I don't know.
My guess is that they hung on to Concentration because Concentration lasted the longest/was most profitable and relatively unscathed by the scandals. The other three's reputations were tarnished and didn't make it out of the 50's, so they probably dropped/gave the rights back since they were pretty much ratings poison at the time, unknowing that Tic-Tac-Dough could be revived successfully.
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Why they only own Concentration and not the other three shows, I don't know.
NBC still owns Twenty-One also.
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Buzzr has a new promo (https://www.facebook.com/BUZZRplay/videos/2166425373645194/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCeOXPLnukNycmkizPm-qs_LzcFOIAoRrsLH433pDx6EXJOU6fFDoTh5jrFbrF3j8qTP2qwbefBAqH4VvlAWOh0RSFf7yX3fACbMY0_2KPRHscA8Mq_yQ8N2sRj-ayh_5LqB2R8hm6FDW84UCbEK9qnHbCyQ6xqllq1DTfgLnVgKFq7gPv7AQ&__tn__=-R) on their Facebook page.
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The complaints on the page...wow.
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The complaints on the page...wow.
Unless they took them down...nothing is there.
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There are a few complaints (not showing the original NBC or Narz versions, Buzzr sucks in general), but the majority seem positive.
I'm stunned this is happening, but apparently somebody at NBC decided there was no point in not monetizing an asset. (Honestly, I think if it wasn't Alex Trebek as host, you wouldn't see these, either.)
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Pinch me, I'm dreaming! I'm still in awe...Classic Concentration starts on BUZZR October 1st (September 30th, technically), Wipeout comes to GameTV the following week, What's next: BUZZR picks up the rerun rights to The Money Maze?
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Pinch me, I'm dreaming! I'm still in awe...Classic Concentration starts on BUZZR October 1st (September 30th, technically), Wipeout comes to GameTV the following week, What's next: BUZZR picks up the rerun rights to The Money Maze?
I would personally love to see Now You See It 1989.
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Pinch me, I'm dreaming! I'm still in awe...Classic Concentration starts on BUZZR October 1st (September 30th, technically), Wipeout comes to GameTV the following week, What's next: BUZZR picks up the rerun rights to The Money Maze?
I think now you're starting to "Press Your Luck" :D
I attended several tapings of The Money Maze with Nick Clooney and announcer Alan Kalter. They taped at the ABC complex on West 66 Street in NYC. I would go after high school. Not sure how many tapes of that show exist.
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When I told my mom this she was thrilled; this and Card Sharks were the only game shows she ever really got into (we had the DOS versions of both).
What's next, Buzzr brokering a deal with Hasbro to show Scrabble?
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I attended several tapings of The Money Maze with Nick Clooney and announcer Alan Kalter. They taped at the ABC complex on West 66 Street in NYC. I would go after high school. Not sure how many tapes of that show exist.
Actually, as per this post (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,29857.msg361487.html#msg361487), the series *does* exist, but the tapes are in poor condition.
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It looks like Fremantle bought Classic Concentration from NBC, as their logo appeared at the end of the first episode they aired. Hopefully that means they also got the Narz episodes, seeing as it was also produced by Goodson-Todman.
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To my untrained eye, the quality was pretty sharp. My kids aren't readers yet, but they love matching games, especially the old CC bonus round from FlashGames. This will make for some nice occasional viewing with them.
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especially the old CC bonus round from FlashGames.
I thought that site vanished years ago.
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especially the old CC bonus round from FlashGames.
I thought that site vanished years ago.
Some of the games were available for download. I remember having (I think) the Big Numbers game from High Rollers on my desktop many computers ago...
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especially the old CC bonus round from FlashGames.
I thought that site vanished years ago.
Some of the games were available for download. I remember having (I think) the Big Numbers game from High Rollers on my desktop many computers ago...
Well damn. I didn't recall that. It was a fun way to kill a few minutes.
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Yep. They're currently residing on their fourth hard drive of mine, alongside some handy presentation software from days of yore.
Also, a Google search may turn up an abandoned backdoor or two for you.
/The children of today are also irrationally scared of the TTD Dragon, yet drawn to him
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they love matching games, especially the old CC bonus round from FlashGames. This will make for some nice occasional viewing with them.
I remember the Scrabble bonus round from FlashGames. I used to play that and try to improve my time.
Good to see Classic Concentration again. This year (2018) marks Concentration's 60th anniversary.
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Okay, I'll ask: did anyone try calling the contestant number to see what happens?
I assume it's disconnected - otherwise they would cut it - but if nobody has the number, why doesn't Buzzr get the rights to it?
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Not necessarily. Every once in a while, the folks converting the episodes for Buzzr will miss a ticket plug. I've seen a rogue Press Your Luck ticket plug, a Supermarket Sweep contest plug, and a Card Sharks ticket plug. And if I remember correctly, when the network aired its first Sale of the Century, they missed the announcer-less contact information graphic that preceded the closing credits.
I understand why Buzzr has to edit all of them out, but it's a fun treat when one slips through the cracks.
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NBC still owns Twenty-One also.
I don’t doubt this, but I wonder how Barry-Enright would have done that Jim Lange Twntry-One if the pilot has sold.
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NBC still owns Twenty-One also.
I don’t doubt this, but I wonder how Barry-Enright would have done that Jim Lange Twntry-One if the pilot has sold.
Airs on NBC O&Os, maybe?
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
What's worse is that of the 10 prizes on offer, 9 of them were on his side of the board!
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
Presuming there's no way to link to a screen shot of the puzzle, what was the answer?
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
Presuming there's no way to link to a screen shot of the puzzle, what was the answer?
I think "boats" is supposed to be "oats," in which case the solution was Chariots Of Fire.
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
Presuming there's no way to link to a screen shot of the puzzle, what was the answer?
I think "boats" is supposed to be "oats," in which case the solution was Chariots Of Fire.
It was actually supposed to be "yachts," and it was a desperation guess because the whole puzzle had been revealed and neither contestant had figured out that it was supposed to be "yachts." Alex had to start deciphering it for them before they figured it out.
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The 2nd CC show airing on 10/10 was interesting. During the bonus round, the contestant called for box 15 and they turned over box 14 by mistake. Alex had them stop the clock and add five seconds to the time of 26 seconds. The lady now had 31 seconds. The clock was started when they revealed box 15.
But wait, there's more. Apparently the screen she was looking at malfunctioned and the lady had to look at a monitor about 30 feet away, making it more difficult to see. Alex said they should just give her a car, which they did. She chose the red convertible.
I'm enjoying seeing CC again. Buzzr doesn't seem to have the clearance issues they had with Wordplay last year.
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Here's the clip, in case anyone's interested:
https://youtu.be/tQmbiOphgPk
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The 2nd CC show airing on 10/10 was interesting. During the bonus round, the contestant called for box 15 and they turned over box 14 by mistake. Alex had them stop the clock and add five seconds to the time of 26 seconds. The lady now had 31 seconds. The clock was started when they revealed box 15.
But wait, there's more. Apparently the screen she was looking at malfunctioned and the lady had to look at a monitor about 30 feet away, making it more difficult to see. Alex said they should just give her a car, which they did. She chose the red convertible.
I'm enjoying seeing CC again. Buzzr doesn't seem to have the clearance issues they had with Wordplay last year.
This episode was also notable for the challenger in the first game, Cecil Stoughton (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_W._Stoughton"), White House photographer during the Kennedy Administration who took the iconic picture of LBJ being sworn in on Air Force One. Coincidentally, this episode aired on what would've been JFK's 70th birthday.
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
Just got to watch this on the DVR... Buzzr skipped the 2 previous shows. We missed Jan in the winner's circle with 40 and 45 seconds.
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Today's episode featured a contestant unclear on the concept of the show, as he did a literal read of everything on the screen to come up with "Cherry Boats U-V Fye-Oar." Someone maybe should have explained the game a bit more thoroughly.
Just got to watch this on the DVR... Buzzr skipped the 2 previous shows. We missed Jan in the winner's circle with 40 and 45 seconds.
They only skipped one show.
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Watching today's first episode, in game two, Alex made a comment about a player's selections, commenting that there were only two corners left to pick on the board, 1 and...then he stopped himself as boxes 1 and 21 (the other corner, previously seen) matched. This is at least the third time in the approx. month or so of shows aired on BUZZR where Alex made an off-the-cuff comment about picks which could give a distinct advantage to the players. I have to think Old Man Goodson took him to the side between tapings about these extra hints.
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Watching today's first episode, in game two, Alex made a comment about a player's selections, commenting that there were only two corners left to pick on the board, 1 and...then he stopped himself as boxes 1 and 21 (the other corner, previously seen) matched. This is at least the third time in the approx. month or so of shows aired on BUZZR where Alex made an off-the-cuff comment about picks which could give a distinct advantage to the players. I have to think Old Man Goodson took him to the side between tapings about these extra hints.
I'm honestly surprised we haven't had any bringing-back-of-contestants-who-were-wronged yet. A couple of these Trebek slip-ups have been fairly egregious.
Also, the "interrupted game" rule is a turd. According to Wikipedia inferences, it doesn't stick around long, hopefully.
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Also, the "interrupted game" rule is a turd. According to Wikipedia inferences, it doesn't stick around long, hopefully.
What about it don't you like? I think that for a show that was never quite able to hash out the timing of the show to match the flow of the game it is a least-bad compromise and is functionally equivalent to the two-loss rule from later in the run.
Now that I've ruminated a bit, the second game of an episode could go longer if the car game was held over to the next day.
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Now that I've ruminated a bit, the second game of an episode could go longer if the car game was held over to the next day.
How would you time out the next day's show then? Seems that you'd be in an even bigger time crunch on that show.
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Car game-puzzle-car game. Add listing the cars, plugging a couple of prizes and don't remove any squares from the board, and you get at least close to timing out. I don't mind the interrupted game since the other thing to do is stop tape for a minute, start up again and continue the game, with Alex saying "last time out we were in the middle of a match, and here's how it ended."
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Car game-puzzle-car game. Add listing the cars, plugging a couple of prizes and don't remove any squares from the board, and you get at least close to timing out. I don't mind the interrupted game since the other thing to do is stop tape for a minute, start up again and continue the game, with Alex saying "last time out we were in the middle of a match, and here's how it ended."
IIRC I had read that later in the run, it was a 2-of-3 game to get the right to play for the car, which would mean the car game was played maybe once per episode...that's probably also when the show began to straddle? I remember seeing episodes where the 3rd tiebreaker game was just a "solve the puzzle as I reveal it." I could probably poke around YouTube and find evidence of this but can't at the moment.
I just think the interrupted game thing is a turd because you often see the same two people from the last show, but they've switched places, and oh by the way the lady in the challenger's seat has actually played 4 shows and won 2 cars already. I just think the 2-of-3 format made a lot more sense.
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IIRC I had read that later in the run, it was a 2-of-3 game to get the right to play for the car, which would mean the car game was played maybe once per episode...that's probably also when the show began to straddle? I remember seeing episodes where the 3rd tiebreaker game was just a "solve the puzzle as I reveal it." I could probably poke around YouTube and find evidence of this but can't at the moment.
I just think the interrupted game thing is a turd because you often see the same two people from the last show, but they've switched places, and oh by the way the lady in the challenger's seat has actually played 4 shows and won 2 cars already. I just think the 2-of-3 format made a lot more sense.
From what I recall, you'd be right. The first game was split with a commercial, the second was played in full and the tiebreaker was a buzz-in puzzle revealed a square at a time. I think they also changed the appearance limit to five days or car win whatever came first.
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Besides the first two months now airing, I would say I saw over 95% of the series when it was originally broadcast. How I still rember these details, I'll never know.
By late 1987 or early 1988, the rule was changed to "win a car and retire as champion". This stayed for the rest of the series.
Sometime in March of 1988, the two strikes rule came into effect.
In late July, they changed to two out of three games wins the match. The first game was divided into the first two segments. The first commercial I believe was after two turns have been taken but I think eventually was after the first match was found. The second game and the tie breaker was played in the third segment. Budget saver as occasionally no cars were won the entire week. Otherwise rarely more than 2 a week.
Late June, 1990, they changed the format back to two strikes and you're out. This stayed for the rest of the series. The difference this time was that all contestants had their own personal clock time starting at 35 seconds. Definitely another budget saver but they did add the 5 bonus car seconds to one of the games to help.
Hope that helps. Any other questions I'll see if I remember from was back then
I'm surprised they didn't change the format earlier than the first year as so many cars were given away, usually at least 2 a week.
Also from watching the series now I don't remember a contestant getting buzzed out for taking so long making a selection. This happened last week and almost again in the last few shows.
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Just FYI, they've only converted through ep 61 (minus ep 13 which they skipped). On November 9, we'll be back at ep 1.
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Just FYI, they've only converted through ep 61 (minus ep 13 which they skipped). On November 9, we'll be back at ep 1.
Unless more gets converted between now and then. If this pace continues it would take us right into the first Marjorie Goodson week.
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Did NBC pre-empt on May 18? Buzzr's program listings show #10 airing on 5/15 and #11 airing on 5/19.
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Did NBC pre-empt on May 18? Buzzr's program listings show #10 airing on 5/15 and #11 airing on 5/19.
NBC preempted on 5/5 for the first day of the Iran-Contra hearings. Buzzr's OADs must be going off of the slate dates rather than when the episodes actually aired.
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NBC preempted on 5/5 for the first day of the Iran-Contra hearings. Buzzr's OADs must be going off of the slate dates rather than when the episodes actually aired.
If that's the case, I am getting so thrown off trying to burn these to discs in weekly blocks. Because now the cars are changing on Tuesday episodes instead of Mondays. Yet on episode 15, the one after the "cherry boats" gaff, Alex says it happened "last week", implying 15 was a Monday episode...
The head spins. And if Marjorie shows up on a Tuesday, then I'll really be dizzy.
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NBC preempted on 5/5 for the first day of the Iran-Contra hearings. Buzzr's OADs must be going off of the slate dates rather than when the episodes actually aired.
If that's the case, I am getting so thrown off trying to burn these to discs in weekly blocks. Because now the cars are changing on Tuesday episodes instead of Mondays. Yet on episode 15, the one after the "cherry boats" gaff, Alex says it happened "last week", implying 15 was a Monday episode...
The head spins. And if Marjorie shows up on a Tuesday, then I'll really be dizzy.
I think we're at the point in the production where they know they had a preemption but have had nothing but five or ten episode taping blocks.
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The head spins. And if Marjorie shows up on a Tuesday, then I'll really be dizzy.
Speaking of this, do they mention why they replaced Diana with Marjorie? Or was it a case of nepotism?
Tyshaun
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The head spins. And if Marjorie shows up on a Tuesday, then I'll really be dizzy.
Speaking of this, do they mention why they replaced Diana with Marjorie? Or was it a case of nepotism?
Tyshaun
The reason stated on the show was that Diana left to get married.
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Eventually, not sure when, they moved to six shows per taping day, mostly three taping days in a row.
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Speaking of this, do they mention why they replaced Diana with Marjorie? Or was it a case of nepotism?
The reason stated on the show was that Diana left to get married.
.......which I guess I find odd, given that (IIRC) Marjorie got married during the show's run as well.
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Speaking of this, do they mention why they replaced Diana with Marjorie? Or was it a case of nepotism?
The reason stated on the show was that Diana left to get married.
.......which I guess I find odd, given that (IIRC) Marjorie got married during the show's run as well.
Yes, but Marjorie married someone already on staff (Tim Cutt--Marc Breslow's associate director).
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Alex said Diana got married and moved to Australia.
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On a completely different note, is anyone else with Comcast not getting CC in its listings? (My box has FF in the 12N/12:30 CT slot, TTTT instead of TATTLETALES at 1 [and in a 40-minute window, which then moves WML to 1:40 and PASSWORD to 2:20].)
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On a completely different note, is anyone else with Comcast not getting CC in its listings? (My box has FF in the 12N/12:30 CT slot, TTTT instead of TATTLETALES at 1 [and in a 40-minute window, which then moves WML to 1:40 and PASSWORD to 2:20].)
I think that Comcast is parsing old schedule data as that 12-3 PM/CT schedule is what was in place prior to 10/1.
I would gladly cast away Tattletales in exchange for TTTT/WML/Password uncut at this point. I would gleefully take more of Alec and Kaleb from Shriner's if it meant hearing Bill Wendell and Chet Gould doing their work and seeing those trippy mid 60s commercial breaks on Password.
The head spins. And if Marjorie shows up on a Tuesday, then I'll really be dizzy.
Prepare to be dizzy, the OAD of Diana Taylor's last show was a Monday (https://youtu.be/bnuhjoWK4O8)
Prepare to be dizzy. The OAD of Diana Taylor's last show was a Monday (7/13/1987).
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On a completely different note, is anyone else with Comcast not getting CC in its listings? (My box has FF in the 12N/12:30 CT slot, TTTT instead of TATTLETALES at 1 [and in a 40-minute window, which then moves WML to 1:40 and PASSWORD to 2:20].)
It isn’t just Comcast. I’m having the same issue with Charter Spectrum.
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Sure enough. My DVR didn't grab today's episodes, and the guide has Family Feud in the Noon hour all week. Hopefully, they fix that in short order.
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Nice to see my TiVo actually pulling down accurate info for a change.
Anyone notice the near miss with the set props on the first show today (#24)? They brought the sign down too soon and so they had to push the players in around it. It barely cleared the players' heads. Good thing Ruta Lee wasn't there. :-)
On a completely different note, is anyone else with Comcast not getting CC in its listings? (My box has FF in the 12N/12:30 CT slot, TTTT instead of TATTLETALES at 1 [and in a 40-minute window, which then moves WML to 1:40 and PASSWORD to 2:20].)
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Sure enough. My DVR didn't grab today's episodes, and the guide has Family Feud in the Noon hour all week. Hopefully, they fix that in short order.
Listings are correct today. Hopefully it stays like that.
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Random CC observation.
One of Alex's lines in the last few shows has been to mention that there are "3 wild cards and 12 nice prizes" on the board at the start of each puzzle.
This can't be correct. Right? Am I going crazy?
A minimum 2 squares revealed as freebies at the start of the puzzle, 3 wild cards, leaves 20 cards with prizes behind them, so 10 prizes. Sometimes 9 prizes if 4 freebie squares are revealed.
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One of Alex's lines in the last few shows has been to mention that there are "3 wild cards and 12 nice prizes" on the board at the start of each puzzle.
This can't be correct. Right? Am I going crazy?
Only if the board sprouted a growth on one of the sides. I will also put forward that usually some of the prizes were nice, but at least a couple of them were there to take up space.
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Random CC observation.
One of Alex's lines in the last few shows has been to mention that there are "3 wild cards and 12 nice prizes" on the board at the start of each puzzle.
This can't be correct. Right? Am I going crazy?
A minimum 2 squares revealed as freebies at the start of the puzzle, 3 wild cards, leaves 20 cards with prizes behind them, so 10 prizes. Sometimes 9 prizes if 4 freebie squares are revealed.
I’m hoping he’s bad at math and not counting the 2 $500 chances for matching the 3 wild cards in a single turn as the 11th and 12th prizes.... But doing so would get you to 12.
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He did correct himself in a later episode - it's on YouTube. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Here it is. My apologies if videos aren't allowed in this section.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tx0WAc4BOMU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tx0WAc4BOMU)
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Question...were there no "TAKE" cards at this point? If there were, wouldn't that reduce the number of prizes on the board as well?
**I know...I know...I should just watch the video but I am at work at the moment...**
JakeT
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Wikipedia sez that the first Take spaces were introduced in November 1987.
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One of Alex's lines in the last few shows has been to mention that there are "3 wild cards and 12 nice prizes" on the board at the start of each puzzle.
This can't be correct. Right? Am I going crazy?
Only if the board sprouted a growth on one of the sides. I will also put forward that usually some of the prizes were nice, but at least a couple of them were there to take up space.
There was one episode in this batch where winner had one prize on the board, to the tune of $40. You'll notice after some games like that, they don't bother with Gene Wood giving the prize recap.
I also noticed in a 1991 episode that a fair number of the prizes on the board weren't actually the prizes themselves, but "A Service Merchandise gift certificate, with which you may purchase..." Which is nice, because it gives those in charge of the game the opportunity to put all kinds of weird prizes on the board, while the winners can spend their store credit on something they actually want instead.
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There was one episode in this batch where winner had one prize on the board, to the tune of $40. You'll notice after some games like that, they don't bother with Gene Wood giving the prize recap.
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If the prizes won totaled less than $1,000, their total wasn't announced.
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Question...were there no "TAKE" cards at this point?
Not at first. IIRC, they had two at one point, then later they had the two red ones and the two green ones.
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Question...were there no "TAKE" cards at this point?
Not at first. IIRC, they had two at one point, then later they had the two red ones and the two green ones.
They also tried different colored TAKE's before deciding on green and red permanently. Lavender (purple) and orange are two colors that stick out in my fuzzy recollections.
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Question...were there no "TAKE" cards at this point?
Not at first. IIRC, they had two at one point, then later they had the two red ones and the two green ones.
They also tried different colored TAKE's before deciding on green and red permanently.
I couldn't pinpoint when this occurred, but I recall a contestant matching in joy when they selected a red take and a green take, believing they matched. When informed otherwise, the contestant stated they were color blind.
Perhaps the orange/lavender cards were tried to provide greater contrast?
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How long did they have the contestants potentially win up to five cars--that is they continued to play up to five matches, rather than retire immediately if a car was won earlier.
I am curious to see if they will air episodes featuring contestant Michael Barr, who won two cars, and later was a newsman on WJR radio here in my hometown of Detroit. I believe in the summer of 2001, Barr left WJR, and joined ABC's radio news network, and stayed there until around 2014.
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How long did they have the contestants potentially win up to five cars--that is they continued to play up to five matches, rather than retire immediately if a car was won earlier.
End of 1987 or early 1988 they changed the rule to win a car and retire as champion.
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Perhaps the orange/lavender cards were tried to provide greater contrast?
Orange and lavender, you say? When did this happen? If it was near the end of the run, it wouldn't be the first time; two other "last-minute" changes I remember are Celebrity Sweepstakes getting rid of having to write down answers in the main portion of the game, and Monty Hall Beat the Clock having both couples perform every stunt in its final two weeks.
How long did they have the contestants potentially win up to five cars--that is they continued to play up to five matches, rather than retire immediately if a car was won earlier.
End of 1987 or early 1988 they changed the rule to win a car and retire as champion.
Somebody refresh my memory, which isn't crystal clear when it comes to this show (I thought that, originally, the contestant won the "unmatched" car rather than the "last matched" car): when they switched to "two losses and out," didn't winning a car just count as a loss, or did the car winners still retire immediately?
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Perhaps the orange/lavender cards were tried to provide greater contrast?
Orange and lavender, you say? When did this happen? If it was near the end of the run, it wouldn't be the first time;
Somebody refresh my memory, which isn't crystal clear when it comes to this show (I thought that, originally, the contestant won the "unmatched" car rather than the "last matched" car): when they switched to "two losses and out," didn't winning a car just count as a loss, or did the car winners still retire immediately?
Nope, when switched two two strikes, winning a car still retired a champion right away, no matter how many losses they had.
Also, when second take was added, it was lavender for a few weeks, then changed to red.
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Anyone have any insight into why CC's rules were changed so frequently? It seems out of character for Mark Goodson to constantly tinker with a show's format once it was on the air. Usually his shows were so thoroughly tested beforehand that on-air rule/format changes were rare. I can't think of any other G(-T) show that was changed as often as CC.
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Anyone have any insight into why CC's rules were changed so frequently? It seems out of character for Mark Goodson to constantly tinker with a show's format once it was on the air. Usually his shows were so thoroughly tested beforehand that on-air rule/format changes were rare. I can't think of any other G(-T) show that was changed as often as CC.
Even Trivia Trap?
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Anyone have any insight into why CC's rules were changed so frequently? It seems out of character for Mark Goodson to constantly tinker with a show's format once it was on the air. Usually his shows were so thoroughly tested beforehand that on-air rule/format changes were rare. I can't think of any other G(-T) show that was changed as often as CC.
Maybe they decided it was unfair for players in first game to have to leave if they lost, yet players in the second game got to come back if they lost if there was an interrupted game?
As for switching to one bonus round a day... budget saver, less cars won?
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Anyone have any insight into why CC's rules were changed so frequently? It seems out of character for Mark Goodson to constantly tinker with a show's format once it was on the air. Usually his shows were so thoroughly tested beforehand that on-air rule/format changes were rare. I can't think of any other G(-T) show that was changed as often as CC.
Perhaps because NBC also had their hand in it as well as rights owners?
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If it was near the end of the run, it wouldn't be the first time; two other "last-minute" changes I remember are Celebrity Sweepstakes getting rid of having to write down answers in the main portion of the game, and Monty Hall Beat the Clock having both couples perform every stunt in its final two weeks.
That's the first I've heard about Beat the Clock - thanks!
As to CC, once they switched to the 2-out-of-3 match, the main format was rather steady for two years. I don't think it's quite out of step with other Goodson shows. As mentioned, Trivia Trap had tweaks...by week two, to speed things up, they were already doubling the Trivia Race questions to $200 after 10 were asked.
I think the fact Concentration's format lends itself to so many different things in and around the game - just like the original NBC version - is why they bothered tweaking at all. To put different things on the board isn't near the trouble as introducing new rounds, changing camera blocking, etc. It has to be the same reason Price was tinkering so much in the first few years, daytime & nighttime. They weren't married to games being in one place on the set, just for one example, so why not try new locations?
-Jason
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Anyone have any insight into why CC's rules were changed so frequently? It seems out of character for Mark Goodson to constantly tinker with a show's format once it was on the air. Usually his shows were so thoroughly tested beforehand that on-air rule/format changes were rare. I can't think of any other G(-T) show that was changed as often as CC.
Oh, I think by the late 1970s/early 1980s Goodson was more than willing to make tweaks as the shows progressed. Perry CS added changing the card on each base line, the push rule in the Money Cards, and $500 bonuses for running the board in the front game and nailing the answer to a survey question. P+ added the escalating jackpot in Alphabetics and the crossover in the front game (plus two huge changes--one talked about in not allowing opposites, the other that slipped by unnoticed where the team that gets the password keeps the option instead of relinquishing it if they don't solve the puzzle). FF changed its scoring system and changed the fifth question (rarely used until the scoring system changed) from Double to Triple. BB made Gold Rush/Run one bonus game instead of two (not to mention changing the name). Hell, even TATTLETALES changed to all-quickies. Plus the aforementioned TRAP.
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On this week's episodes, one contestant kept trying to pick two numbers at a time in the car game (picking the second number before the first was revealed), leading to the producers yelling at her to pick one number at a time. I seem to remember that later in the run that players regularly selected two numbers at a time in the car game without comment. When did the one-number-at-a-time rule get dropped?
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Today's shows (10/31) featured the first appearance of Marjorie Goodson. Alex explained that the former model married and went to Australia.
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Need to trim a little on the budget? Have 4 or 5 of your cars' model names all begin with "S."
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One-number-at-a-time would explain what’s been puzzling me about the second episode yesterday; he clearly called both numbers before the buzzer, but there was no suggestion even of checking the tape; it was treated as an obvious loss.
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I believe we are up to the point in the run where the Iran-Contra hearings were pre-empting daytime television with more significant regularity. The airdates in the Buzzr listings aren't matching up with some of the YouTube episodes previously uploaded and was wondering if anyone had any definitive knowledge of when NBC pre-empted the daytime lineup. For example, episode 49 (Sten vs. Hilary) which Buzzr's guide says aired July 10 shows as July 23 on TVLubber's upload.
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I believe we are up to the point in the run where the Iran-Contra hearings were pre-empting daytime television with more significant regularity. The airdates in the Buzzr listings aren't matching up with some of the YouTube episodes previously uploaded and was wondering if anyone had any definitive knowledge of when NBC pre-empted the daytime lineup. For example, episode 49 (Sten vs. Hilary) which Buzzr's guide says aired July 10 shows as July 23 on TVLubber's upload.
Funny you mentioned this because I'm trying to start up a Classic Concentration episode guide myself so we can keep up with the air dates. Below is a measly list of what I got so far (Yeah, the dates are from YT Uploads so these might not be accurate). Listed is the air date and the 1st two contestants to play that day's game. Again, I know it's not much, but feel free to add on or make corrections.
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5/4/87: (PREMIERE) Diana v. David
5/5/87: Russ v. Diana
5/7/87: Todd v. Cindy
5/8/87: Tammie v. David
5/11/87: Tammie v. Joel
6/12/87: Doug v. LaVerne
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Just a general CC note about the contestant who was on for a few episodes over the Friday and Monday airings. I believe his name was Alex. Red hair and glasses. That dude got robbed out of a car because the computer was too slow. It was very obvious he said his numbers before the buzzer sounded, but the computer wasn't moving fast enough to open the doors before the clock hit double-0.
ISTR another instance of this happening earlier in the run where the contestant was given the car after commercial break. I thought they would do the same with this guy because it was very obvious he beat the buzzer.
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I believe we are up to the point in the run where the Iran-Contra hearings were pre-empting daytime television with more significant regularity. The airdates in the Buzzr listings aren't matching up with some of the YouTube episodes previously uploaded and was wondering if anyone had any definitive knowledge of when NBC pre-empted the daytime lineup. For example, episode 49 (Sten vs. Hilary) which Buzzr's guide says aired July 10 shows as July 23 on TVLubber's upload.
From this article (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-07-14/news/mn-4030_1_contra-affair), it appears all three networks dumped daytime in full 7/7-10 as well as 7/13 and 7/14 for Oliver North's testimony, then the hearings were rotated among the three nets starting 7/15 with NBC. 8/3 was the last day of the hearings, per this (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-04/news/mn-1298_1_iran-contra-investigation). EDIT: And it appears CBS did the last day, starting at 11AM ET, per the Vanderbilt Archive.
So that does match everything up?
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We're back to the beginning as Buzzr aired shows 1 and 2 of CC today (10/9)
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We're back to the beginning as Buzzr aired shows 1 and 2 of CC today (10/9)
Blyden WML also aired the same episode that they did on 10/9, which seems strange as Concentration has had twice as many episodes air.
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Blyden WML also aired the same episode that they did on 10/9, which seems strange as Concentration has had twice as many episodes air.
No I don't think so. IIRC, the first WML Buzzr aired had Melba Tolliver in Arlene's seat and Peter Lind Hayes was the MG. Today's show had Arlene with Jack Cassidy, Anita Gillette and Bert Convy. Apparently Soupy Sales got the week off for good behavior.
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Blyden WML also aired the same episode that they did on 10/9, which seems strange as Concentration has had twice as many episodes air.
No I don't think so. IIRC, the first WML Buzzr aired had Melba Tolliver in Arlene's seat and Peter Lind Hayes was the MG. Today's show had Arlene with Jack Cassidy, Anita Gillette and Bert Convy. Apparently Soupy Sales got the week off for good behavior.
You're right - I had remembered seeing the one with Wally Bruner before, but that was from the shows Buzzr aired in the weekend before the weekday episodes began.
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I believe we are up to the point in the run where the Iran-Contra hearings were pre-empting daytime television with more significant regularity. The airdates in the Buzzr listings aren't matching up with some of the YouTube episodes previously uploaded and was wondering if anyone had any definitive knowledge of when NBC pre-empted the daytime lineup. For example, episode 49 (Sten vs. Hilary) which Buzzr's guide says aired July 10 shows as July 23 on TVLubber's upload.
From this article (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-07-14/news/mn-4030_1_contra-affair), it appears all three networks dumped daytime in full 7/7-10 as well as 7/13 and 7/14 for Oliver North's testimony, then the hearings were rotated among the three nets starting 7/15 with NBC. 8/3 was the last day of the hearings, per this (http://articles.latimes.com/1987-08-04/news/mn-1298_1_iran-contra-investigation). EDIT: And it appears CBS did the last day, starting at 11AM ET, per the Vanderbilt Archive.
So that does match everything up?
This is great info! I'll see how that lines up. I know in most markets, CC aired at 10:30, so if they actually didn't start coverage until 11 like you mention with CBS, it's possible that CC aired most days.
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5/5/87: Russ v. Diana
I can tell you this is May 6, not May 5. It was pre-empted on the 5th due to Joint Congressional Iran/Contra Committee Hearings. The voiceover promos during the credits of episode 2 also match up with the programming that aired on 5/6/87.
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Just a general CC note about the contestant who was on for a few episodes over the Friday and Monday airings. I believe his name was Alex. Red hair and glasses. That dude got robbed out of a car because the computer was too slow. It was very obvious he said his numbers before the buzzer sounded, but the computer wasn't moving fast enough to open the doors before the clock hit double-0.
Yeah, that was ridiculous! He was a lawyer, and when they came back and Trebek referenced him being a lawyer I thought it would be a nice segue into them telling him he got the car. Instead it was in reference to his opponent. I couldn't believe they screwed him over so bad. Then the Wrangler disappeared after the next episode.
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OTOH, they made the point several times to not call out numbers two at a time, which was what he did to try to beat the clock.
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There's a linked thread somewhere that describes the operator console. It mentions the buttons were laid out in a linear fashion (vs how they were displayed on the screen), which in my mind is why they wanted contestants to call one number at a time - the operator needed time to find and push the button to reveal, then clear. G/T were pretty copious with their rules. I would wager there was a rule or criteria they hung their 'close' bonus win/lose decisions on.
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I was always impressed at the accuracy and speed of the bonus number operator.
I can't imagine it being a particularly easy job.
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There's a linked thread somewhere that describes the operator console. It mentions the buttons were laid out in a linear fashion (vs how they were displayed on the screen), which in my mind is why they wanted contestants to call one number at a time - the operator needed time to find and push the button to reveal, then clear. G/T were pretty copious with their rules. I would wager there was a rule or criteria they hung their 'close' bonus win/lose decisions on.
I would imagine that there was a rule for this too...I'm sure it happened later in the run and perhaps Alex made an on-air explanation. ISTR another episode from earlier in these first 60 eps where the contestant did make his or her number calls for the last match before the clock went out, and was awarded the car. Anyway. Just an interesting discussion.
Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
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Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
I only saw it happen once on SP, on the 8/1/85 episode. Here's the clip in question...I don't think they made the right call on this one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FPD49wpvLrw
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Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
I only saw it happen once on SP, on the 8/1/85 episode. Here's the clip in question...I don't think they made the right call on this one.
Not only was her answer well after the buzzer, the clue that gave her the answer was after the buzzer...it wasn't even close...
JakeT
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Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
I only saw it happen once on SP, on the 8/1/85 episode. Here's the clip in question...I don't think they made the right call on this one.
The problem with it is two-fold--not only does it set up an awful precedent, but unless the champion is able to hold her position and win Alphabetics again, Bert's Big Mouth (TM) basically costs whoever eventually wins the jackpot a pile of money.
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Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
I only saw it happen once on SP, on the 8/1/85 episode. Here's the clip in question...I don't think they made the right call on this one.
The problem with it is two-fold--not only does it set up an awful precedent, but unless the champion is able to hold her position and win Alphabetics again, Bert's Big Mouth (TM) basically costs whoever eventually wins the jackpot a pile of money.
There's that, too...it just looked incredibly sloppy and unprofessional and why S&P didn't step in, I will never know...
JakeT
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Pyramid had their share of awarding (or taking away) bonus prizes after a commercial break. I can't think of any Goodson shows that did the same thing, other than this one time on CC. I don't recall it happening on SP or P+.
I only saw it happen once on SP, on the 8/1/85 episode. Here's the clip in question...I don't think they made the right call on this one.
The problem with it is two-fold--not only does it set up an awful precedent, but unless the champion is able to hold her position and win Alphabetics again, Bert's Big Mouth (TM) basically costs whoever eventually wins the jackpot a pile of money.
The only other reason I can think of for why they gave her the money but her answer CLEARLY came after the buzzer was some sort of technical error such as after giving the correct answer to another password, the computer did not immediately go to the next word.
The reason I point this out because of a moment from The New $25,000 Pyramid. The judges had to decide whether the contestant got the word "flannel" out before the buzzer to win the $10,000. If you go back and look at the whole winner's circle, there was a noticeable gap between when the $50 box was turned and the $100 box being turned. Normally, those two boxes would have been turned in synced. If the contestant gave their answer so close to the buzzer, there is a reasonable argument that if that gap did not exist, she would have given her answer before the buzzer. This is why I think they were correct in giving the contestant on Pyramid $10,000. Here is the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LAvUcPEwf8
So without seeing the rest of the bonus round, I cannot conclude whether they made the correct call to award her $20,000.
Thank you,
Matthew Tad Hudkins, CPA
Government Auditor
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The only other reason I can think of for why they gave her the money but her answer CLEARLY came after the buzzer was some sort of technical error such as after giving the correct answer to another password, the computer did not immediately go to the next word.
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So without seeing the rest of the bonus round, I cannot conclude whether they made the correct call to award her $20,000.
With all due respect, I call b.s. on this possible option since Bert's "decision" was allegedly based on the last few seconds alone...if there was more to it, it would have made more sense for the producers to have simply had Bert explain the real reason for the decision, award her the money and say "bye-bye"...but it didn't happen that way...your suggestion really only makes the matter that much murkier...
JakeT
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The only other reason I can think of for why they gave her the money but her answer CLEARLY came after the buzzer was some sort of technical error such as after giving the correct answer to another password, the computer did not immediately go to the next word.
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So without seeing the rest of the bonus round, I cannot conclude whether they made the correct call to award her $20,000.
With all due respect, I call b.s. on this possible option since Bert's "decision" was allegedly based on the last few seconds alone...if there was more to it, it would have made more sense for the producers to have simply had Bert explain the real reason for the decision, award her the money and say "bye-bye"...but it didn't happen that way...your suggestion really only makes the matter that much murkier...
JakeT
First of all, having the producers give Bert a complex explanation to say and have him do it without mucking it up sounds like a tall order. Seconds, network standards and practices were taken dead seriously behind the scenes, and they may have had to discuss with S&P during the commercial break in which they both came to the correct conclusion. Just because what was "performed" in front of the audience doesn't match the real reason why she won, it doesn't negate that she rightfully won the money. For example on that episode of The New $25,000 Pyramid I posted, they may have had to listen to the tape many times until someone pointed out the gap between those two boxes. On stage, they made people think she won $10,000 because she got her answer in on time, whereas backstage the real reason she won was because of a technical problem that if not happened, she would have given her answer on time.
If many people wrote in to say hey, she didn't get her answer in time, then they would have taken the time in a future episode to give the full explanation although with cue cards to lessen the chance Bert couldn't muck it up.
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I know this is about Stranger Things but this car was frequently given away on Classic Concentration!
https://jalopnik.com/barbs-1988-volkswagen-cabrio-from-stranger-things-is-fo-1830493434
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I know this is about Stranger Things but this car was frequently given away on Classic Concentration!
https://jalopnik.com/barbs-1988-volkswagen-cabrio-from-stranger-things-is-fo-1830493434
Haven't seen the show myself--I don't have Netflix--but it seems that the show does quite a good job of presenting a 1980s aesthetic.
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Need to trim a little on the budget? Have 4 or 5 of your cars' model names all begin with "S."
I realize I'm a little behind in watching the episodes but just this morning I saw an episode with *6* S-cars. Brutal.
R.
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Today's 1PM ep. of CC had something I don't recall happening too often--a contestant got buzzed and lost his turn for taking too long to choose a second number.
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I do not recall that ever happening, and I was a fairly regular watcher when it was possible. How far along into the round was it?
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I do not recall that ever happening, and I was a fairly regular watcher when it was possible. How far along into the round was it?
I am still working on catching up from some previous episodes, but in an episode that aired in early March, there definitely was a guy who got buzzed for dawdling. Alex make a comment that both contestants were "taking their time" with picking numbers.
The contestant had a very impressive mullet but I do not recall his name. I think he ended up winning a game or two.
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Need to trim a little on the budget? Have 4 or 5 of your cars' model names all begin with "S."
I realize I'm a little behind in watching the episodes but just this morning I saw an episode with *6* S-cars. Brutal.
R.
And the Sierra should have been 'Ciera'
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I do not recall that ever happening, and I was a fairly regular watcher when it was possible. How far along into the round was it?
The puzzle was about halfway uncovered. But yeah, he took his old. sweet. time. He also ended up winning the game and won a car in about 45 seconds.
Tyshaun
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I saw that happen several weeks ago also. Alex told one of the players to hurry between number choices and the buzzer sounded and he told her she took too long and needed to be quicker in her selections.
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I saw that happen several weeks ago also. Alex told one of the players to hurry between number choices and the buzzer sounded and he told her she took too long and needed to be quicker in her selections.
Was there ever a mention of an offscreen timer so contestants would know how long they could take? This seems very random to me.
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Was there ever a mention of an offscreen timer so contestants would know how long they could take?
I don't know what the official rule was, but there have been a few instances in this Buzzr run where you can hear an offstage voice say "hurry," then the contestant finally chooses their second number. So they do get a warning.
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And I think, like on Scrabble as the years went on, the unspoken "timer" got a little lax as contestants improved at naturally making a decision in a few seconds.
-Jason
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I don't know what the official rule was, but there have been a few instances in this Buzzr run where you can hear an offstage voice say "hurry," then the contestant finally chooses their second number. So they do get a warning.
Speaking of this offstage voice, has anyone else noticed that there is often an audible yelp right before a Wild card is revealed? I am thinking that was a low-tech cue to ring the bell sfx. Maybe I am just hearing things.
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I angrily switched off today's rerun of CC. The puzzle was solved with only nine frames revealed. Trebek during the readout says snarkily, "Sometimes our puzzles leave a lot to be desired." Jerk.
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Didn't get the wishbone this year, Alfonzo?
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Calling Alex a jerk in 2019 is certainly A Choice (tm), especially over a joke he made thirty years ago.
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I don't know what the official rule was, but there have been a few instances in this Buzzr run where you can hear an offstage voice say "hurry," then the contestant finally chooses their second number. So they do get a warning.
Speaking of this offstage voice, has anyone else noticed that there is often an audible yelp right before a Wild card is revealed? I am thinking that was a low-tech cue to ring the bell sfx. Maybe I am just hearing things.
It's not you. Also hear it in the Car round.
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I angrily switched off today's rerun of CC. The puzzle was solved with only nine frames revealed. Trebek during the readout says snarkily, "Sometimes our puzzles leave a lot to be desired." Jerk.
Here's where I wish Alex Trebek was a board member.