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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: weaklink75 on January 31, 2008, 02:30:42 AM
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...but it's being done by Fremantle, so you know that means it'll be BLANK.... (http://\"http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080131/tv_nm/matchgame_dc;_ylt=AvNQFpAdt4OjraGwQ_OO_k5pMhkF\")
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Contemporary version. I wonder if this is a cable version of that "What The Blank?" thing that Randy announced on for Fox.
Randy, is there anything here you're able to share?
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I think I'm gonna shiatsu. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhqWb6MsifE\")
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Perhaps the show won't be that bad, if they tap the RIGHT Executive Producer.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'176723\' date=\'Jan 30 2008, 11:39 PM\']
Contemporary version. I wonder if this is a cable version of that "What The Blank?" thing that Randy announced on for Fox. Randy, is there anything here you're able to share? [/quote]
Not a word. Sorry.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Wasn't this allegedly in the pipeline last year, too? At this point, I'm actually rooting against it coming back, since the clever double-entendre has apparently gone the way of the dinosaur when it comes to your average D-List celebrity panel, and they're all just dying to write down "weiner."
/Is Ross Shafer available?
//How 'bout Charlene Tilton, then?
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'176729\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 01:21 AM\']
Perhaps the show won't be that bad, if they tap the RIGHT Executive Producer.
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Sorry, I'm not available.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...26d94db6033b6d1 (http://\"http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7d49b23ff1cbe31aa26d94db6033b6d1\")
Another story that tells nothing.
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Nice way to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the only crappy version of Match Game ever made. Keeping Judy off the panel would be an improvement to the last version, albeit not by much..
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[quote name=\'Johnissoevil\' post=\'176737\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 09:26 AM\']
Nice way to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the only crappy version of Match Game ever made. Keeping Judy off the panel would be an improvement to the last version, albeit not by much..
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This is a real tough one. First of all, I have a feeling that the subtle shock factor that MG'7x had is pretty much gone. Nowadays, it seems like people would rather drop F-bombs and make obvious sexual innuendos than simply give "boobs" for every third answer. (Think of how many answers got bleeped out on MG98, as compared to the previous versions.) In fact, I don't even think "boobs" would get more than a slight chuckle these days. "Titties", maybe.
Also, given Fremantle's track record of changing things just for the sake of changing things, I bet all of us MG'7x fans are worried that the revival will BLANK with the format yet again. However, I'm a glass-half-full kind of person, so I'm not entirely ruling out the possibility that a decent revival might be in store.
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The big thing is getting a panel with some chemistry, or giving the show enough time to build one. Didn't help the last version that the panel was all signed up before they could see if they were any good.
And if they want to be titillating, they'll have to put "boobs" in the body of the question, like "You could tell Doris was an athlete. She had boobs like _______s."
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'176745\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 12:08 PM\']
The big thing is getting a panel with some chemistry, or giving the show enough time to build one. Didn't help the last version that the panel was all signed up before they could see if they were any good.
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Actually, I'm kind of with you on this- a lot is going to depend on which network (if any) signs on. GSN (obviously) would be a good choice- Comedy Central would be OK, but they have to be careful about it.
and I would hope they modernize it a little, but not too much- "Rotten Rodney was so rotten (how rotten was he?) that he tried to sell his BLANK on Ebay"...
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[quote name=\'TenPoundHammer\' post=\'176743\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 10:01 AM\']
Think of how many answers got bleeped out on MG98, as compared to the previous versions.[/quote]
Of course, it seemed like the writers of MG98 were actually baiting the panelists, and even the contestants, to fill in the blank with something lewd. I recall reading on Mandel's website that one of the questions involved 7-Up and Viagra teaming up to make a soft drink for impotent men, called <blank>-up. Think about it.
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Well, in 1998, GSN reruns of MG were popular, but nowadays, it's a very well-known show on the network, along the lines of some of the stuff on say, TV Land or another mainstream cable network. I think the potential producer of this one would keep that in mind, and not go for the "sex sells" route of the 98 version.
And honestly, the Marathon version of MG wasn't that bad. I actually found it to be one of the better shows, it just needs civilians and a smaller budget.
Say, MG PM format, with two $250-500-1000 Super Matches, no Star Wheel. $20,000 is still a lot of money for a daily game show.
/With champions dammit!
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Get Dick DeBartolo to consult the new version. He knows what works and where to draw the line.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'176754\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 12:16 PM\']And honestly, the Marathon version of MG wasn't that bad.
/With champions dammit!
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Agreed on both counts.
ETA: Good call, Jimmy Owen!
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Just thought of something else...I say straddle the show. Part of what made the show work in the 70s was that it was a game show that let the game take a backseat to the hijinks. I'm not saying it needs to take the form of a sitcom, but find that perfect balance of fun and games*. With returning champs, just do one Super Match, $250-500-1000, and maybe a Star Wheel, but no biggie if not.
*In other words, watch any eps. made between 1974 and '77
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Yeah...the celebs gelled really well on the Marathon version. Definitely bring in Kathy Griffin and Bruce Valanch (sp) in the Brett/Charles seats, but get someone other than Adam Corolla and that ditz who was in seat 4.
With Password, aren't we spreading Betty White out too much?
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'176733\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 03:26 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'176723\' date=\'Jan 30 2008, 11:39 PM\']
Contemporary version. I wonder if this is a cable version of that "What The Blank?" thing that Randy announced on for Fox. Randy, is there anything here you're able to share? [/quote]
Not a word. Sorry.[/quote]
Don't be. S'why I couched the question the way I did. :)
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Jimmy Pardo's been doing a live version of "MG" for some time in LA like J. Keith's "WML?" and did it at the San Francisco Sketchfest recently. If he's any good at it (and can attract the comedy glitterati as panelists), it would seem to me that he would have the inside on hosting the show--they sure wouldn't have to explain things to him.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'176775\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 12:48 PM\']
Jimmy Pardo's been doing a live version of "MG" for some time in LA like J. Keith's "WML?" and did it at the San Francisco Sketchfest recently. If he's any good at it (and can attract the comedy glitterati as panelists), it would seem to me that he would have the inside on hosting the show--they sure wouldn't have to explain things to him.
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That would set an interesting precedent, seeing as I believe we're fairly sure that that live MG show is completely unsanctioned by Fremantle.
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The only good part of MG98 was the theme. I thought they did a good job with updating it. Other than that...pppffftttt. LOL
Don
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'176762\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 01:37 PM\']
and that ditz who was in seat 4.[/quote]Hasn't a ditz always been in seat #4?
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I wouldn't call Dr. Joyce Brothers a ditz!
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'176722\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 03:30 AM\']
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(http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080131/tv_nm/matchgame_dc;_ylt=AvNQFpAdt4OjraGwQ_OO_k5pMhkF)LAS VEGAS (Hollywood Reporter) - FremantleMedia North America is developing a contemporary version of the long-running game show "Match Game,"
NOTE TO FREMANTLE -- Pearson, your predecessor tried a "Contemporary Version" and it died a horrible death. Here's a hint -- Follow the MG7x format to the letter, don't even think of Clinton or Britney questions and you'll do just fine!
/Leave....Britney....A-LOWNNN!!!
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'176812\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 09:10 PM\']
don't even think of Clinton or Britney questions and you'll do just fine!
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Alright...more Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and Nicole Richie questions...NOT!!!!
Charles
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Thing is, topical or humor relevant to the era is fine; plenty of 70s and 80s episodes (including Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour) made fun of political or pop culture humor, i.e. President Nixon, or Gene's fake "TV Guide" listings. And I have no problem with one or two 2008 references.
It's when every other question is "Dumb Dubya" or "Loose Lohan is sooooo dumb/loose..."
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'176802\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 07:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'176762\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 01:37 PM\']
and that ditz who was in seat 4.[/quote]Hasn't a ditz always been in seat #4?
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Oh, goodness no. That's the seat where Arlene Francis spent a week or two.
Note to whoever the host is:
If the big-money Super Match is used, please "multiply" the potential earnings; don't "times" them. Thank you.
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[quote name=\'KWJCDon\' post=\'176787\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 05:10 PM\']The only good part of MG98 was the theme.[/quote]
Having just re-listened to it, I must violently disagree. This may be an arrogant statement for a non-musician, but get your Casio out and start playing scales over the preset cha-cha track, and I think you're 90% there.
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[quote name=\'KWJCDon\' post=\'176787\' date=\'Jan 31 2008, 05:10 PM\']
The only good part of MG98 was the theme. I thought they did a good job with updating it. Other than that...pppffftttt. LOL
Don
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WHAAAA??? The 1990 version of MG had a good remake of the theme. The 1998 version absolutely sucked, IMO. About as annoying as Judy Tenuta.
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I was familiar with Judy Tenuta for many years before MG98.
The Judy you know was remarkably restrained compared to the Judy of the 1980s.
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I don't think the MG 98 theme was supposed to have ANY relation to the 70s version, with exception of the "wank guitar" at the start. On that basis, I think the MG 98 theme was fine, but do I like it better than the original theme, no.
One of the many problems with MG 98 was the lack of variety in terms of the nature of the questions. I swear every other show had a question about Bill Clinton or the male anatomy. It got old! Just the same, the new version shouldn't obsess on questions solely on Britney Spears or President Bush.
Instead of starting the show with 4 regulars, do what MG 7x did and start with maybe one or two regulars. Richard Dawson was the only sole regular when the show started. Brett and Charles weren't regulars until almost a year later! The list of regulars on MG 98 seemed to be "names drawn out of a hat". We have Vicki, the veteran game show panelist. We have Judy Tenuta- the uh... loud mouth stage stealing comedienne, we have Nell Carter, former sit-com star whose only sole existence was to write "pee pee" as an answer to almost all questions, and comment "good answer" (Nell this is NOT Family Feud!) and finally George Hamilton, the classy, aging gentleman.
Dawson was right when he said that stand up comics generally don't work for MG, because they often go for the joke instead of playing the game. MG 98 had Judy Tenuta, Richard Jeni, George Wallace, Kevin James, and others I am sure I am missing.
It would also help if they NEVER book soap stars. Most of the soap stars booked on MG 98 obviously didn't want to be there and were just there for the paycheck. Kin Shriner brought back shades of Richard Dawson MG 78. I saw two eps. of "soap star week" of MG/HS week and that week was both dull and disasterous. Imagine a week of 9 celebs that are squirming in their seats waiting for it to be over. Deidre Hall looked like she was ready to get up and leave at any moment.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' post=\'176875\' date=\'Feb 1 2008, 12:09 PM\']
Deidre Hall looked like she was ready to get up and leave at any moment.
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Ah, the bitter pill of You're Not Nearly As Famous As You Think. :)
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Marc Berman's ratings roundup at Mediaweek.com reports TBS is still considering this version for late night.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'179704\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 12:01 PM\']
Marc Berman's ratings roundup at Mediaweek.com reports TBS is still considering this version for late night.
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They've at least ordered a pilot... (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20080303tbs01\")it is interesting that it's part of the late-night strategy..and "the network's biggest foray into game shows?" I guess they forgot Starcade...
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'179724\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 02:32 PM\']
it is interesting that it's part of the late-night strategy..and "the network's biggest foray into game shows?" I guess they forgot Starcade...
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Almost everyone who isn't on this board has.
I'm willing to give this a shot, and putting it in late night is fine (MG was never really about the money). Thing is, we can go over all the things wrong with the last version, but the big issue is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again, 35 years later -- chances of that happening ain't great.
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I'm looking forward to the premiere of Untitled Dave Caplan Series, myself.
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I'm not a big TBS watcher (their promotions department makes GSN look subtle, if you catch my drift), but this has potential. A few years ago, I remember them showing reruns of a few shows that air on Adult Swim ("Family Guy" and "Futurama" come to mind). They could possibly capture the college and young adult audience, but only if they keep the fart and potty jokes to a minimum*.
Oh, and TBS doesn't squeeze the credits for their late-night stuff. I'm sold. ;-)
(Read: nonexistent)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179762\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:36 PM\']
They could possibly capture the college and young adult audience, but only if they keep the fart and potty jokes to a minimum [/quote]
Maybe I'm missing a subtle point, but why would a college or young-adult audience be turned off by fart and potty jokes? I'm having a hard tme seeing the boys at the frat house saying how much they wish Match Game would be more sophisticated and upscale to make it worth watching to them.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'179765\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:54 PM\']
Maybe I'm missing a subtle point, but why would a college or young-adult audience be turned off by fart and potty jokes? I'm having a hard tme seeing the boys at the frat house saying how much they wish Match Game would be more sophisticated and upscale to make it worth watching to them.
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If most of the show were comprised of fart and potty jokes, they might be turned off by the repetition. Just as I suspect that viewers of the '98 version were probably bored rather than offended by one "peepee" after another.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'179765\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179762\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:36 PM\']
They could possibly capture the college and young adult audience, but only if they keep the fart and potty jokes to a minimum [/quote]
Maybe I'm missing a subtle point, but why would a college or young-adult audience be turned off by fart and potty jokes? I'm having a hard tme seeing the boys at the frat house saying how much they wish Match Game would be more sophisticated and upscale to make it worth watching to them.
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Sorry, didn't mean to put the two together. I think they could capture the college crowd, which makes the late-night venture a decent idea.
The fart and potty jokes being kept to a minimum is my personal opinion. ;-)
/The views of fostergray82 do represent this newsgroup!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179767\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:59 PM\']
Sorry, didn't mean to put the two together. I think they could capture the college crowd, which makes the late-night venture a decent idea.
The fart and potty jokes being kept to a minimum is my personal opinion. ;-)[/quote]
That's precisely what I suspected, but I wanted to give you the chance to clear that up.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179767\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:59 PM\']/The views of fostergray82 do represent this newsgroup![/quote]
I've certainly always thought so.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179767\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 03:59 PM\']
I think they could capture the college crowd, which makes the late-night venture a decent idea.
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It's a good idea in terms of designing games for target audiences. Keep in mind though, that this is exactly what Fremantle did when designing Temptation for the female shopper demographic.
And that's what concerns me about this : I have a hunch that this will make the 98 version seem 'tame' by comparison. The difference between the two being, well, I've heard of Nell, George, Judy, and Vicki, and I'll bet good solid weatherman money that, unlike the panel of 11 years ago, the comics brought in for the panel will largely be unknowns and Last Comic Standing castoffs still looking for their big break.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'179762\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 12:36 PM\']Oh, and TBS doesn't squeeze the credits for their late-night stuff. I'm sold. ;-)[/quote]
However, they do stretch everything for their HD feed. It looks awful.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'179775\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 04:21 PM\']I'll bet good solid weatherman money that, unlike the panel of 11 years ago, the comics brought in for the panel will largely be unknowns and Last Comic Standing castoffs still looking for their big break.[/quote]
Possibly. I'd also be willing to bet that a significant fraction of the panel is going to be from TBS's own shows.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'179844\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 08:40 PM\']
Possibly. I'd also be willing to bet that a significant fraction of the panel is going to be from TBS's own shows.
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With Bill Engvall in the CNR spot.
/here's your sign
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I hate to be Ned Negative here but I've got warning bells going off in my head. Part of the reason MG was the cultural phenom it was is that it pushed the limits of TV, in the 70's. Saying "boobie" was so new that people giggled, now just think of the body parts that they would be using as answers to attempt to get that "giggle" but would just get the PTC starting a campaign against the show.
Someone put it very well on the radio last week, the "era of 'tee-hee' television is dead".
You had the right panel, the right place, the right era. This is one show that should just live on in reruns and never be brought to pilot again.
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If anyone remembers the "I didn't do it boy" episode of the Simpsons a loooong time ago (maybe season 3 or 4) they parodied MG in a funny take on how much of a train wreck it'd be when they eventually bring it back to television in the future... from what I remember, Bart's new-found fame went to his head which led him to having a bad dream that he was on "Match Game 2034" and surrounding him were the heads of then-dead celebs in those Futurama-style jars of liquid..
per online-land the celebs' heads in jars were:
Billy Crystal
Farrah Fawcet-Majors-O'neal-Varney
Ventriloquist Loni Anderson
Spike Lee
The Always Lovely and Vivacious Head of Kitty Carlisle
:D
funny how even in '94-ish the general perception was that match game will eventually and annoyingly wash ashore again and again in the distant future..
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'179847\' date=\'Mar 4 2008, 12:28 AM\']
Someone put it very well on the radio last week, the "era of 'tee-hee' television is dead".
You had the right panel, the right place, the right era. This is one show that should just live on in reruns and never be brought to pilot again.
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The titters were funny the first year or two, but it was the humor of the panel and host that kept us coming back. There were funny questions for which the answer wouldn't be boobs or the male genitalia. And if they want to work blue, instead of "John puts butter on his ______" maybe it's "John puts _______ on his wiener."
While sadly that host and panel aren't coming back, maybe there's another group that could make the format fun. Heck, it's better this than the real Gilligan's Island.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'179865\' date=\'Mar 4 2008, 10:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'179847\' date=\'Mar 4 2008, 12:28 AM\']
Someone put it very well on the radio last week, the "era of 'tee-hee' television is dead".
You had the right panel, the right place, the right era. This is one show that should just live on in reruns and never be brought to pilot again.
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The titters were funny the first year or two, but it was the humor of the panel and host that kept us coming back. There were funny questions for which the answer wouldn't be boobs or the male genitalia. And if they want to work blue, instead of "John puts butter on his ______" maybe it's "John puts _______ on his wiener."
While sadly that host and panel aren't coming back, maybe there's another group that could make the format fun. Heck, it's better this than the real Gilligan's Island.
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And if Jimmy Pardo's unauthorized live version in LA is clicking (and Rich Prouty's unauthorized live version in Chicago is actually clicking, although it's unlikely his ragtag mob of Chicago improvers would get on TV), it's possible that you could get a group of panel with the right chemistry, although I know it would be hard. But in a late-night world where there's a lot less spontaneity in the talk shows than there used to be, I would think that a show that was genuinely spontaneous and funny would draw a crowd--if they can get the producers who will let the show be spontaneous.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'179845\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 10:56 PM\']
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'179844\' date=\'Mar 3 2008, 08:40 PM\']
Possibly. I'd also be willing to bet that a significant fraction of the panel is going to be from TBS's own shows.
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With Bill Engvall in the CNR spot.
/here's your sign
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You know what's sad? I actually got kinda excited about this.
/Yeah, I'm a Blue-Collar kinda guy.
//You got a problem with that?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'180196\' date=\'Mar 5 2008, 07:22 PM\']
You know what's sad? I actually got kinda excited about this.
/Yeah, I'm a Blue-Collar kinda guy.
//You got a problem with that?
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Not sad in the least. He'd probably be the bright spot on a panel show on TBS.
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Pilot is set to tape in Studio 33 later this month.
Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187528\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 07:37 PM\']
Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.
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That's the confederate set, right?
/What?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187528\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 10:37 PM\']Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.[/quote]
Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia that the fact they're not updating a 30-year-old set is cause for celebrating? I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187530\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 08:11 PM\']
Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia[/quote]
Are you new here? :)
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Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia that the fact they're not updating a 30-year-old set is cause for celebrating? I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.
It's from the same person who was excited about banjo music on a high tech neon flashy set for Feud so it's not that big of a surprise to be excited about having a set that's outdated technology-wise by at least two decades.
GSN's I've Got A Secret, to me, was the absolutely perfect example of taking a retro looking set and updating it for modern times.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187530\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 11:11 PM\']I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.[/quote]May I remind you that The Joker's Wild '90 and Card Sharks '01 were also "updates" of older shows, too?
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'187533\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 08:29 PM\']
It's from the same person who was excited about banjo music on a high tech neon flashy set for Feud so it's not that big of a surprise to be excited about having a set that's outdated technology-wise by at least two decades.[/quote]
And *this* is coming from a guy who has said publically that he enjoys watching The Moment Of Truth.
He without sin, etc.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187530\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 08:11 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187528\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 10:37 PM\']Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.[/quote]Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia that the fact they're not updating a 30-year-old set is cause for celebrating? I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.[/quote]You go right on and scoff. I was nearly inconsolable when I found out that Match Game '90 had increased the Super Match payoffs from 500-250-100 to 500-300-200.
Some people just can't handle change, I guess.
One way to look at it is to say "Well, they kept ONE element from the classic version; there's a sliver of hope that they kept something else." But really, if you have questions with blanks in them and a panel of stars writing down their answers, you can't go wrong. (Sure, Match-Up! may have been a time-filling coin-flipping exercise, but you had the filling in of blanks.)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187530\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 11:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187528\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 10:37 PM\']Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.[/quote]
Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia that the fact they're not updating a 30-year-old set is cause for celebrating? I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.
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A very good source who knows the game well said that keeping the set in the 70's was the only way it would work.
And for the record, I was never a fan of Match Game.
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'187533\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 11:29 PM\']
It's from the same person who was excited about banjo music on a high tech neon flashy set for Feud so it's not that big of a surprise to be excited about having a set that's outdated technology-wise by at least two decades.[/quote]
Not really sure where this came from. I never said I was excited about the set. I just stated they were trying.
Apology accepted :)
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187540\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 02:05 AM\']A very good source who knows the game well said that keeping the set in the 70's was the only way it would work.[/quote]
I keep reading this sentence, and it keeps not making sense. If they replaced it with (for instance) the Match Game '90 set, what possible part of it couldn't work, that could with the other set?
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'187562\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 07:07 PM\']I keep reading this sentence, and it keeps not making sense. If they replaced it with (for instance) the Match Game '90 set, what possible part of it couldn't work, that could with the other set?[/quote]
The way I interpret the comment is that they decided that the show itself is simply a product of the seventies, and that the only way for it to work is as a kitschy throwback to that earlier time, set included. Because yeah, functionally, there's absolutely no reason why the set has to look exactly the same as it did in 1978 for the game to "work".
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187567\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 04:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'187562\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 07:07 PM\']I keep reading this sentence, and it keeps not making sense. If they replaced it with (for instance) the Match Game '90 set, what possible part of it couldn't work, that could with the other set?[/quote]
The way I interpret the comment is that they decided that the show itself is simply a product of the seventies, and that the only way for it to work is as a kitschy throwback to that earlier time, set included. Because yeah, functionally, there's absolutely no reason why the set has to look exactly the same as it did in 1978 for the game to "work".
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It is a known fact that Match Game questions are much funnier when read into a Sony ECM-51 microphone. One of the things we tried in 1980 to make MG more saleable for another season was a test in studio 33 in which Gene used a Shure SM59 AND a Shure SM61:
http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/publi...pro_sm61_ug.pdf (http://\"http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@GMS_GMI_WEB_UG/documents/web_resource/us_pro_sm61_ug.pdf\")
http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/publi...pro_sm59_ug.pdf (http://\"http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@gms_gmi_web_ug/documents/web_resource/us_pro_sm59_ug.pdf\")
These mics were used on Tattletales and nighttime TPIR at various times, but sh*t howdy, they didn't work one whit on Match Game. Gene could be heard just fine, but the questions weren't as funny, the audience didn't laugh once, and there was NOT ONE MATCH during the entire game. Both rounds ended with a score of zero to zero (yes Scott, the readouts were blank). Everyone at G-T and CBS was stumped, so we stuck with the trusty ECM-51.
Of course it has to be Gene Rayburn reading the questions into the ECM-51, but that's beside the point. For this revival they will have to exhume Gene Rayburn as well but that, too, is beside the point.
The Game Show Marathon version of MG was far, far better than MG '98 for the following reasons:
- No Judy Tenuta
- Better material
- Better panelists (except Bruce Vilanch was no CNR)
- Did I mention that there was no Judy Tenuta?
Ricki was just OK.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'187572\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 06:21 PM\']
The Game Show Marathon version of MG was far, far better than MG '98 for the following reasons:
- No Judy Tenuta
- Better material
- Better panelists (except Bruce Vilanch was no CNR)
- Did I mention that there was no Judy Tenuta?
Ricki was just OK.
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And don't forget Ricki had the ECM-51!
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'187572\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 08:21 PM\']
It is a known fact that Match Game questions are much funnier when read into a Sony ECM-51 microphone. One of the things we tried in 1980 to make MG more saleable for another season was a test in studio 33 in which Gene used a Shure SM59 AND a Shure SM61:
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These mics were used on Tattletales and nighttime TPIR at various times, but sh*t howdy, they didn't work one whit on Match Game. Gene could be heard just fine, but the questions weren't as funny, the audience didn't laugh once, and there was NOT ONE MATCH during the entire game. Both rounds ended with a score of zero to zero (yes Scott, the readouts were blank). Everyone at G-T and CBS was stumped, so we stuck with the trusty ECM-51.
Of course it has to be Gene Rayburn reading the questions into the ECM-51, but that's beside the point. For this revival they will have to exhume Gene Rayburn as well but that, too, is beside the point.
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You win at Life.
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did anyone realize in that shiatsu clip from MG 98 that oscar is the guy that plays homeland security from Reno 911! and the gay accountant from the office. his name is oscar nunez
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And don't forget Ricki had the ECM-51!
Proof positive! I didn't tell anyone at the time, but Fremantle paid me a six-figure consulting fee just to share with them the info about the mic test. Some of the old-timers at CBS remember it but they wanted much more money.
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With Bill Engvall in the CNR spot.
I can just see it now - all TBS celebs (ugh). Engvall can then pause Match Game '08 in mid-question to promote his own show! (http://\"http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1035955\")
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187530\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 11:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'187528\' date=\'Jun 4 2008, 10:37 PM\']Set is built to match the 1978 set, so on the surface it looks like they are trying.[/quote]
Trying what, exactly? Are we so hopelessly trapped by our nostalgia that the fact they're not updating a 30-year-old set is cause for celebrating? I would remind you that the Match Game (and for that matter, Price Is Right) that everybody adores was a successful update of an earlier version.
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With 956 channels and people channel-surfing from one end of the dial to the other, there could be some value in making this thing look as much like the most-remembered version of Match Game so that someone passing by might recognize it and stop in.
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A very good source who knows the game well said that keeping the set in the 70's was the only way it would work.
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'187567\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 07:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'187562\' date=\'Jun 5 2008, 07:07 PM\']I keep reading this sentence, and it keeps not making sense. If they replaced it with (for instance) the Match Game '90 set, what possible part of it couldn't work, that could with the other set?[/quote]
The way I interpret the comment is that they decided that the show itself is simply a product of the seventies, and that the only way for it to work is as a kitschy throwback to that earlier time, set included. Because yeah, functionally, there's absolutely no reason why the set has to look exactly the same as it did in 1978 for the game to "work".
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IF Fremantle still has the MG'06 set from the Game Show Marathon stashed in some warehouse and IF MG did resurface as a new incarnation...
-- Would this explain why the source said what they said, or do we know if the GSM set long gone???
-- Would the majority of the Invision-ers be happy with that set being reused in a regular series, or what would they tweak about the GSM set???
After re-watching the MG'06 tape, I thought the set looked good, though not as roomy as the original.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'187993\' date=\'Jun 11 2008, 08:53 PM\']
-- Would this explain why the source said what they said, or do we know if the GSM set long gone???
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Based on this (http://\"http://mandelweb.com/2006gsmpics/2006gsmpics034.html\"), it hit the dumpster after the taping. Not to say they didn't save the plans, or the set itself after that, but...
-Jason
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'187993\' date=\'Jun 11 2008, 08:53 PM\']
-- Would the majority of the Invision-ers be happy with that set being reused in a regular series, or what would they tweak about the GSM set???
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Speaking for myself, they could honestly do the show with a cardboard background, school desks for contestants, and lunchroom tables for the panel...I care about the execution. They did a great job with Marathon; watch the tapes to get an idea on how to do this...
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'187993\' date=\'Jun 11 2008, 05:53 PM\']IF Fremantle still has the MG'06 set from the Game Show Marathon stashed in some warehouse and IF MG did resurface as a new incarnation...-- Would the majority of the Invision-ers be happy with that set being reused in a regular series, or what would they tweak about the GSM set???[/quote]I don't see whether a majority of Invisioners liking the show based on whether or not the original set was being used will have any bearing on what the show does???
If they wanna go kitschy, they'll do that. If they don't, it won't matter. I believe the esteemed Mr. Foster-Gray (that's with a hyphen and an "A", thanks) covered my points for me. Match Game lives or dies on the questions, not the set.
OY!!!
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'188014\' date=\'Jun 12 2008, 01:14 AM\']
If they wanna go kitschy, they'll do that. If they don't, it won't matter. I believe the esteemed Mr. Foster-Gray (that's with a hyphen and an "A", thanks) covered my points for me. Match Game lives or dies on the questions, not the set.
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Wasn't it said way back when, when the ill-fated Charlene Tilton pilot was shot, that the questions were just like the original MG'7x, but everything else blew chunks?
/And I never cared much for Charlene Tilton's "set" either!
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'188014\' date=\'Jun 12 2008, 01:14 AM\']
I believe the esteemed Mr. Foster-Gray (that's with a hyphen and an "A", thanks)
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Damn straight!