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Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: WarioBarker on September 08, 2013, 07:34:19 AM
Does anyone know who the fifth, sixth, and seventh celebs are in the opening of this 1981 episode (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02dVCwEDec")? The audio and video screw up at that point, and I want to say I've seen those three (two males and a female) somewhere before in passing.

(For the record, the order is Rita Moreno, Diane Ladd, Roxie Roker, Leslie Uggams, the three unknowns, and Susan Richardson.)

Thanks in advance for any help. :)

[EDIT: Thanks to Jimmy Owen for identifying the first unknown celeb as Chris Rich, and JD and pyrfan for identifying the second unknown celeb as Ken Kercheval.]
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 08, 2013, 10:25:21 AM

Chris Rich for sure.  TVGuide.com has an archive of episode celebrity listings at their site, but it\'s hard to navigate.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: colonial on September 08, 2013, 10:54:21 PM

Celebrity #6 looks like Ken Kercheval (\"Dallas\"), but I\'m not 100%.


 


JD


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: pyrfan on September 09, 2013, 02:14:36 AM

That\'s definitely Ken Kercheval, and although I wouldn\'t swear to it, the woman after that looks a lot like Brenda Vaccaro.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: TLEberle on September 09, 2013, 12:22:46 PM
Somebody has a big stack of Celebrity Bullseye episodes on his Youtube account and against my better judgment I dove in. Golly, what a poor and poorly executed idea. The match could last three games long of rather uninteresting questions (that were missed as often as they weren\'t) and when somebody was eventually able to scratch together $4,000 they get some exercise to go over and play the bonus game, only to spin twice and double the $300 that was in the pot.

Yee-haw.
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 09, 2013, 01:10:59 PM

But kudos to whoever their casting person was.  They got a ton of interesting and in some cases high-profile celebrities to play their stupid little game, including some who really didn\'t do a lot of other game shows.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: whewfan on September 09, 2013, 01:41:52 PM

If you want to talk about an uninteresting match, look no further than the match between Tina Louise and Jerry Mathers. Instead of playing to win the game, both Tina and Jerry were banking their money at any opportunity. Under the rules, any money banked, you kept regardless if you win the game. Jerry Mathers also appears quite bored. Didn\'t someone point out on here that it appeared Harvey Korman deliberately missed a question to give his opponent, who I believe was Suzy Chaffee (aka Suzy \"Chapstick\") a chance to play? 


 


Bullseye just wasn\'t a format that celebs could make more interesting. Harvey Korman, Arte Johnson, and Phyllis Diller were funny people, but the format of the game didn\'t really allow them to be funny. 


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: Johnissoevil on September 09, 2013, 01:56:52 PM

The Celeb format should\'ve kept the civilian format, one match per game.  Unless they did this because Barry & Enright\'s staff were unable to book enough celebrities for the amount of time they were doing the Celebrity version.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: PYLdude on September 09, 2013, 10:07:01 PM
How is leaving money in the pot for your opponent to claim if you slip up bad strategy?
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: WarioBarker on September 10, 2013, 07:49:49 AM
The Celeb format should've kept the civilian format, one match per game. Unless they did this because Barry & Enright's staff were unable to book enough celebrities for the amount of time they were doing the Celebrity version.
It's possible, although in the nine episodes that are on YouTube they managed to show about 43 celebs.

In fairness, Celebrity Bullseye is the only all-celeb game I'm aware of with returning champs, although that could've been for the same reason you suggest.
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: JMFabiano on September 10, 2013, 01:25:29 PM


If you want to talk about an uninteresting match, look no further than the match between Tina Louise and Jerry Mathers. Instead of playing to win the game, both Tina and Jerry were banking their money at any opportunity. Under the rules, any money banked, you kept regardless if you win the game. Jerry Mathers also appears quite bored. Didn\'t someone point out on here that it appeared Harvey Korman deliberately missed a question to give his opponent, who I believe was Suzy Chaffee (aka Suzy \"Chapstick\") a chance to play? 


 


Bullseye just wasn\'t a format that celebs could make more interesting. Harvey Korman, Arte Johnson, and Phyllis Diller were funny people, but the format of the game didn\'t really allow them to be funny. 




 


This.  Celebs should: 1) be teamed with contestant(s), 2) on a panel, or 3) playing a \'50s-\'60s panel game.  Having them doing a Q&A every week?  Not so much. 


 


Not having seen the Louise episodes myself yet, I have to ask...did Jim or anyone take care NOT to mention Gilligan\'s Island?  (as the show technically doesn\'t exist in her world, starting, well, the moment the series was cancelled)  I know, we were MANY years removed from the series anyway, and they\'d talk with celebs about what they were doing now, but still I am curious, as it was heavy in reruns at the time. 


 


Louise vs. Mathers = match of the polar opposites as far as embracing their most famous sitcom character! 


 


Yeah, the 2/3 format was unnecessary IMO...less variety.  I\'ve heard similar complaining about $500 Password Plus, but at least that show was interesting enough to carry extra rounds of the main game, AND there were still civilian contestants to care about.  And when they DID get to Bonus Island, it would be done in a flash (no pun intended).  Plus yeah, when you get $4,000 in the main games, there was the chance for the bonus to be anti-climactic.  Could having higher dollar amounts have saved it?  Or maybe they could still play for the money and the prizes like the civ. version, but the latter could go to a studio audience player chosen to go to BI with the celeb? 


 


Still, I\'d like to see the eps. with Rue McClanahan myself at least, being a Blanche fan (Vivian too).  Isn\'t this the show where she is asked the origin of her first name?  I remember that happening vaguely. 





Apologies in advance if this is the wrong section.


Does anyone know who the fifth, sixth, and seventh celebs are in the opening of this 1981 episode? The audio and video screw up at that point, and I want to say I\'ve seen those three (two males and a female) somewhere before in passing.


(For the record, the order is Rita Moreno, Diane Ladd, Roxie Roker, Leslie Uggams, the three unknowns, and Susan Richardson.)


Thanks in advance for any help. :)


[Edit: Thanks to Jimmy Owen for identifying the first unknown celeb as Chris Rich, and JD and pyrfan for identifying the second unknown celeb as Ken Kercheval.]




 


Shocked Ted McGinley wasn\'t one, or was never on this format (ducking)


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: TLEberle on September 10, 2013, 02:56:00 PM

Plus yeah, when you get $4,000 in the main games, there was the chance for the bonus to be anti-climactic.

Not just a chance but nearly a foregone conclusion. To roll up that kind of money you\'d have to build $2,000 in the bank and then get three bulls eyes or play seven spins. In one bonus round it goes bullseye-300-bullseye, then the third bullseye to end it.

Or maybe they could still play for the money and the prizes like the civ. version, but the latter could go to a studio audience player chosen to go to BI with the celeb?

Just to me this seems really pointless. Why not just turn it into the audience game: call up three people, let them push the button and whoever spins up the most money can play an abbreviated bonus round, and when everyone wakes up again the celebrity can take on a new challenger.
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on September 10, 2013, 05:13:32 PM


If you want to talk about an uninteresting match, look no further than the match between Tina Louise and Jerry Mathers. Instead of playing to win the game, both Tina and Jerry were banking their money at any opportunity. Under the rules, any money banked, you kept regardless if you win the game.




What\'s wrong with that?  If you missed a question, you lost the money banked, right? 

Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: BrandonFG on September 10, 2013, 05:30:53 PM

To me, it just seems anti-climactic, although I would probably do the same thing just to go home with some money. But yeah, it kinda goes against the whole \"game where daring determines the fate of the player\" spiel*.


 


*Although they changed that to something really generic for Celebrity Bullseye.


 


/Whaaaat...Barry and Enright Productions using generic writing?


//No WAY!!!


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: TLEberle on September 10, 2013, 05:31:19 PM
No, the money stayed in the bank and the opponent could usurp control with a right answer. Whoever was in charge when a contract was finished could either bank the money and pass control or build the pot with the knowledge that a wrong answer meant the opponent could take it all away.

What Matt K. described is a very laborious and unexciting version of Joker\'s Wild.
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: pyrfan on September 14, 2013, 02:17:24 AM


That\'s definitely Ken Kercheval, and although I wouldn\'t swear to it, the woman after that looks a lot like Brenda Vaccaro.




 


I take this back. Looking at Rita Moreno\'s opponents on tvguide.com, by process of elimination, the woman is most likely Vikki Carr.

Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: whewfan on September 14, 2013, 06:41:44 AM

To answer JMFabiano\'s question, in terms of the episode that\'s posted on YouTube, there was no mention at all of Leave it to Beaver or Gilligan\'s Island, and this was the third match they played against each other (which may explain why Jerry might be bored) although if I were to guess, there was probably little mention during the previous match as well. Gilligan\'s Island fans know that Tina Louise hated doing \"GI\" (as she would refer to it) and reportedly, was told that the series was about \"a movie star and 6 other castaways on a deserted island\", leading her to believe she would be the focus of the show. To sum it up, she was basically the Robert Reed of the cast, as Robert Reed resented doing The Brady Bunch. Jerry Mathers, on the other hand, had a more positive experience with Leave it to Beaver so at least at that time he had no problem being associated with the show. 


 


One consistent problem with Bullseye throughout the entire run was the pacing. It was just too slow, although later in the run the pacing improved some. I think they should\'ve kept the main game winning at $1000, as playing for $2000 made the game seem a bit long.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: JasonA1 on September 14, 2013, 08:21:24 AM

One consistent problem with Bullseye throughout the entire run was the pacing. It was just too slow, although later in the run the pacing improved some. I think they should\'ve kept the main game winning at $1000, as playing for $2000 made the game seem a bit long.


The values in the windows doubled right along with the goal, so the pacing change was nil.

-Jason
Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: The Ol' Guy on September 14, 2013, 10:48:31 AM

The quality of the questions - many of them multiple choice, IIRC, and dragged out in Jim\'s monotone delivery - helped make the celeb version very boring. Enright was rarely impressed with the brain power of most celebs. One exception was Orson Bean, who, according to Dan, while most celebs gossiped and stuck with show biz small talk between tapings, Bean would be somewhere reading a book. When the ratings sink, what do you do? Go with the (hopeful) draw of celebrity eye candy with softball questions for charity. Dull. Other than scale and bragging rights, what else can the C-list celebs gain? With civilians, who (even when paired with celebs) are fighting for every dollar, you get more excitement and strategy going. You relate to them. The civilians sure weren\'t going to get scale just for being there...just Rice A Roni and Lee Press-On Nails for losing. If celebs and big money together were the formula for a sure-fire hit, Celebrity Millionaire would still be around, right?  Celebs and games, usually okay. Celebs and quizzes? Not so much.


Title: Celebrity Bullseye question
Post by: clemon79 on September 14, 2013, 12:52:43 PM

Enright was rarely impressed with the brain power of most celebs.


Considering this was a man more than willing to put one over on the viewing public in the \'50s by rigging shows, and considering the quality of the questions on his shows in the \'70s and \'80s, one might suggest his disdain wasn\'t limited to celebrities.