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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Casey Buck on March 30, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
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CBS may soon decide to pull the plug on “Guiding Light,” the longest-running daytime drama in television history.
While no final decision has been made, the network’s deal for the Procter & Gamble-produced drama—the least watched of the eight daytime serials currently on the air—ends in September. But if CBS does drop “Guiding Light,” it likely would lock in a decision within the next month, people familiar with the matter said. That would give writers a chance to tie up storylines.
CBS also would need to finalize new programming for the daytime hour that “Guiding Light” would be vacating.
In the most significant indication that the network is seriously pondering life without “Guiding Light,” CBS has been talking to outside studios about potential replacement programming for the show, sources said.
Possibilities under discussion include both game shows and talk shows. CBS could easily cut its programming costs for the hour in half by switching away from a scripted drama.
Complete article at: http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/03/cbs_sho...ght_replace.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/03/cbs_shopping_for_light_replace.php\")
It would be awesome to have new network daytime game shows for the first time in 15 years, but would the affiliates still carry GL's replacement? I wouldn't be surprised if CBS simply gives the slot back to the affiliates.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'211478\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 09:50 AM\']
CBS may soon decide to pull the plug on “Guiding Light,” the longest-running daytime drama in television history.
While no final decision has been made, the network’s deal for the Procter & Gamble-produced drama—the least watched of the eight daytime serials currently on the air—ends in September. But if CBS does drop “Guiding Light,” it likely would lock in a decision within the next month, people familiar with the matter said. That would give writers a chance to tie up storylines.
CBS also would need to finalize new programming for the daytime hour that “Guiding Light” would be vacating.
In the most significant indication that the network is seriously pondering life without “Guiding Light,” CBS has been talking to outside studios about potential replacement programming for the show, sources said.
Possibilities under discussion include both game shows and talk shows. CBS could easily cut its programming costs for the hour in half by switching away from a scripted drama.
Complete article at: http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/03/cbs_sho...ght_replace.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/03/cbs_shopping_for_light_replace.php\")
It would be awesome to have new network daytime game shows for the first time in 15 years, but would the affiliates still carry GL's replacement? I wouldn't be surprised if CBS simply gives the slot back to the affiliates.
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Now, does that mean that CBS will have a 2hour Price Is Right?
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'211478\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 08:50 AM\']
I wouldn't be surprised if CBS simply gives the slot back to the affiliates.
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I would be surprised if they didn't. NBC for instance, between 11:00 and 6:30/5:30c, has exactly 1 hour of afternoon programming. Giving time back to the affiliates seems to be the trend.
Speaking of which, does it seem that there's a higher number of first-run syndicated strips overall now than in years past? Or at least, more that are getting daytime screen time?
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Some affiliates already air GL at 10, so maybe CBS could give 3pm back and reclaim 10am. I'd sked "The Winner's Circle," which would be a Pyramid revival without the negative baggage of the Osmond version. I'd also slot a revival of "Match Game," this time using nine stars to take care of the straddling problem.
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If CBS does cancel "Guiding Light", I think they should try Rosie O' Donnell's rumored talk show there.
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Kind of a radical idea/thought, but CW did do this with Tyra Banks' talk show (taking a show from syndication and putting it on the network). Could CBS possibly try and yank Feud from syndication to join CBS' daytime lineup? Has it been renewed for sure for the new season?
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Barring some major freakish incident, Feud will be coming back next season, yes.
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Oh, and talking about what the original post asked about CBS carrying GL's replacement, that answer would be a pretty much yes. If I'm not mistaken, only two CBS affilates don't air GL at all (WNEM in Saginaw, MI, though they do air it on their My5 subchannel and KOVR in Sacramento, ironically a CBS O&O!). Besides, with the way things are, I think affiliates want to save as much money as they can.
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Just a thought......How about a second hour of Price? Older episodes with Barker...Since they wouldn't be seen anywhere else anyway....
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While I'd be thrilled to see a game show back on a network, it would be sad to see Guiding Light go. It's been on the air in some way shape or form for 71 years! But it's been in the basement for a long time, so it's probably time.
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Affiliates will take any/every hour that's offered to them.
I'm sure most affiliates will see the 3:00 hour as a prime chance for either a) another hour of local news or b) a chance to pair up whatever combo they have of Oprah / Phil / The Drs. and the upcoming Dr. Oz shows.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'211486\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 11:04 AM\']
Just a thought......How about a second hour of Price? Older episodes with Barker...Since they wouldn't be seen anywhere else anyway.... [/quote]
That would allow for comparisons between Drew and Bob. Plus it would be embarrassing if Barker's reruns got higher ratings. I think most network suits would want to avoid that.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211488\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 10:24 AM\']
Affiliates will take any/every hour that's offered to them.
I'm sure most affiliates will see the 3:00 hour as a prime chance for either a) another hour of local news or b) a chance to pair up whatever combo they have of Oprah / Phil / The Drs. and the upcoming Dr. Oz shows.
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Agreed, which is why I think CBS should open up the 3 pm hour for such a combo. Thus, 10 am would be perfect for a game show, to pair up with Price is Right. As said before, GL airs at 10 am in most markets anyways.
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I'd love to see PYL and CS revived, if Fremantle doesn't screw them up...
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211488\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 11:24 AM\']
Affiliates will take any/every hour that's offered to them.
I'm sure most affiliates will see the 3:00 hour as a prime chance for either a) another hour of local news or b) a chance to pair up whatever combo they have of Oprah / Phil / The Drs. and the upcoming Dr. Oz shows.
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The Dr.s, oddly enough, is carried at 9am here in NY. The afternoon is soaps up to Dr. Phil at 3, then an hour of Judge Judy and two hours of news.
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'211493\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 10:46 AM\']Agreed, which is why I think CBS should open up the 3 pm hour for such a combo. Thus, 10 am would be perfect for a game show, to pair up with Price is Right. As said before, GL airs at 10 am in most markets anyways.[/quote]
Which is exactly the case for us Chicagoland folks:
2pm - Rachel Ray
3pm - Dr. Phil
4pm - Judge Judy (2 shows)
5pm - CBS 2 News
If CBS entertains the idea for another daytime game show, they can put together a homebrew show and work something simple...no million-dollar cash prizes, no vote-offs, no money ladders, none of the gimmicky stuff.
Worse comes to worse, they can follow a practice that WGN is doing with Millionaire: show episodes from the previous season of TPIR, followed by a new episode at 10am. That can work wonders for Drew and crew.
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'211485\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 08:02 AM\']If I'm not mistaken, only two CBS affilates don't air GL at all (WNEM in Saginaw, MI, though they do air it on their My5 subchannel and KOVR in Sacramento, ironically a CBS O&O!).[/quote]
Guiding Light hasn't aired in Sacramento since 1991, when former affiliate KXTV sacrificed it in order to carry more syndicated programming. When CBS bought KOVR in 2005 from Sinclair, they apparently decided that it wasn't worth bringing GL back in the middle of a storyline.
By the way, that's not the only scheduling oddity that KOVR has. They also air the primetime lineup an hour early (from 7-10 PM), with an hour-long 10 PM newscast, and Letterman at 11 PM, another practice that was kept from the previous management.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'211500\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 12:15 PM\']
When CBS bought KOVR in 2005 from Sinclair, they apparently decided that it wasn't worth bringing GL back in the middle of a storyline.
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When is a soap opera ever not in the middle of a storyline?
I suspect that if we do see games, it'll be on the order of the block we saw after Santa Barbara's cancellation with Scrabble and Scattergories. Two shows with barren sets and a shoestring budget used as a stop-gap until what Moonves would rather see is ready for air.
It would be a bit odd for a while with Guiding Light off the schedule given that it's now a couple of months into its seventy-third year. That rich history dating back to 1937 could be what's saved it from the wrecking ball for so long where other shows may have perished.
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[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' post=\'211499\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 11:10 AM\']
If CBS entertains the idea for another daytime game show, they can put together a homebrew show and work something simple...no million-dollar cash prizes, no vote-offs, no money ladders, none of the gimmicky stuff.
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Which is why I suggested they should simply just pick up Family Feud, but I understand all the crap that would probably go into doing something like that under such short notice. You'd have the distributor and station contracts that would have to be paid off. But on the bright side, CBS wouldn't have to build a set or really even build a new audience. And since Feud is already on in the mornings/afternoon in most places, it wouldn't be a big adjustment.
But that's all speculation. Reason I mention Feud is because I doubt CBS would want to spend the money to build a new set and all that stuff.
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'211493\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 11:46 AM\'][quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211488\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 10:24 AM\']Affiliates will take any/every hour that's offered to them.
I'm sure most affiliates will see the 3:00 hour as a prime chance for either a) another hour of local news or b) a chance to pair up whatever combo they have of Oprah / Phil / The Drs. and the upcoming Dr. Oz shows.
[/quote]Agreed, which is why I think CBS should open up the 3 pm hour for such a combo. Thus, 10 am would be perfect for a game show, to pair up with Price is Right. As said before, GL airs at 10 am in most markets anyways.[/quote]
There's little chance affiliates will be interested in a trade-off of 10am-for-3pm. They'll be in total greed mode and expect to have both hours for themselves.
DC does Inside Edition/Insider reruns in the 10-11 hour and GL at 3. Baltimore does GL at 10 and Phil at 3.
But the last thing the network can expect is an overwhelming approval of using either hour for network programming.
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In today's economy, a station might consider a network show to a syndicated one that they have to purchase, especially if local advertisers are not as buying as many spots as they used to.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'211508\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:17 PM\']
In today's economy, a station might consider a network show to a syndicated one that they have to purchase, especially if local advertisers are not as buying as many spots as they used to.
[/quote]Isn't there a barter aspect to most syndicated acquisitions? That allows the station to keep 100% of the revenues from the local ad avail spots in the show.
The network show might not make that kind of arrangement offer.
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Very interesting developments. Would be sorry to see the longest-running soap go, but I've watched the more recent eps., and the execution is quite painful to watch. Most of it comes from saving their budget, so now you have more outdoor scenes, and using different rooms within the same building, to avoid spending money on sets. Creative...if you're doing an independent short film. For a national soap opera? Not as much. And don't get me started on the washed-out outdoor scenes...
But I digress...would love to see games back in daytime, esp. competently produced. Feud seems like a good idea. I'd rather see something that has proven successful, so that it could actually lead to more game show opportunities in daytime.
/Hey, it worked for Millionaire
//Not necessarily for the better
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211511\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'211508\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:17 PM\']
In today's economy, a station might consider a network show to a syndicated one that they have to purchase, especially if local advertisers are not as buying as many spots as they used to.
[/quote]Isn't there a barter aspect to most syndicated acquisitions? That allows the station to keep 100% of the revenues from the local ad avail spots in the show.
The network show might not make that kind of arrangement offer.
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Way back when (the 70's at least) CBS gave a minute of local avails in the 10 or 10:30 show. IIRC, it usually came in the first break of the show. If your station didn't sell it, you'd see network-fed PSAs. Maybe they could make that sort of deal again.
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My guess is that they'll wind up expanding The Bold And The Beautiful to an hour, maybe put it in the old GL slot, and give the 12:30 Central half hour to the stations, whereupon some may choose to expand their noon news to an hour without wiping anything out.
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The comments on that page make my head hurt. The posters are worse than your worst fanboi (game show, SciFi, or otherwise).
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[quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' post=\'211515\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 02:24 PM\']
My guess is that they'll wind up expanding The Bold And The Beautiful to an hour, maybe put it in the old GL slot, and give the 12:30 Central half hour to the stations, whereupon some may choose to expand their noon news to an hour without wiping anything out.
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Well, for years 1:00-1:30 Eastern was local (until 2/5/80 to be precise, when Y&R expanded to an hour at the sacrifice of Love of Life.)
Seems like a possibility to me.
My vote is that they won't change anything else and that they will try something new. I mean, giving up is too easy, in my opinion.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211516\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 02:46 PM\']
The comments on that page make my head hurt. The posters are worse than your worst fanboi (game show, SciFi, or otherwise).
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There are people on that page saying they won't buy P&G products if they cancel the show? Imagine what fans of "The Doctors" would be like today if they stopped buying Colgate/Palmolive products then? :-D
/This includes you $50,000 Pyramid fans too...
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May I suggest a daytime run of Million (divided by four or ten) Dollar Password?
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'211527\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 04:23 PM\']
May I suggest a daytime run of Million (divided by four or ten) Dollar Password?
[/quote]Sure, you can. I'm not surprised that you're the first one to mention it. :P
Changing from soap to game show cuts programming costs by half? I thought soaps were pretty low-budget themselves. Must be the expansive casts.
The stereotypical fan reaction was encapsulated well by the third poster.
[quote name=\'bonnie\' date=\'some time\']I don't care about the business model[/quote]
Just a complete divorce from reality.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211533\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 05:31 PM\']
Changing from soap to game show cuts programming costs by half? I thought soaps were pretty low-budget themselves. Must be the expansive casts.
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I'm sure constantly changing sets and wardrobe is even more expensive. However, the large casts makes sense as well.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'211513\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211511\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'211508\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 01:17 PM\']
In today's economy, a station might consider a network show to a syndicated one that they have to purchase, especially if local advertisers are not as buying as many spots as they used to.
[/quote]Isn't there a barter aspect to most syndicated acquisitions? That allows the station to keep 100% of the revenues from the local ad avail spots in the show.
The network show might not make that kind of arrangement offer.
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Way back when (the 70's at least) CBS gave a minute of local avails in the 10 or 10:30 show. IIRC, it usually came in the first break of the show. If your station didn't sell it, you'd see network-fed PSAs. Maybe they could make that sort of deal again.
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I think this continued into at least the early 80's. I remember seeing some $25K Pyramid and PYL episodes with PSA blocks and/or local ads in the first break.
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I can't help but wonder just a little if this has any kind of relation to that thing Fremantle was talking about regarding the Goodson properties...
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I'd think the givebacks to the stations is most likely, but it does make the syndication market interesting for early 2010. WWTBAM doesn't have an affiliate in Baltimore for example- the CBS affiliate there might pick it up (they're airing GL at 10AM as has been mentioned).
If CBS does want to keep the hour, they might want to go one revival/one new format- I think a good new format might be "Perfect Recall": players have to go through several rounds of questions- but although the questions change each round, the answers don't.
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Hold your breath, please, if you think there's any chance that the hour will be programmed with network game shows instead of being given back to the affiliates.
Seriously.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'211556\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 09:02 PM\']
Hold your breath, please, if you think there's any chance that the hour will be programmed with network game shows instead of being given back to the affiliates.
Seriously.
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I wouldn't call it totally impossible, just unlikely. Impossible would be if the article didn't mention 'game shows' and 'under consideration' in the same sentence.
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Game shows still carry with them the "older demographic" baggage.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211565\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 10:29 PM\']
Game shows still carry with them the "older demographic" baggage.
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Exactly what sorts of people do they expect to be watching TV at that time of day anyway? The 25-39ers out there are either at work making the disposable income necessary to spend on whatever the advertisers would be selling, or don't have that sort of income to begin with.
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WKMG in Orlando airs Guiding Light at 10 AM every day before TPIR. If it gets cancelled I am sure it could be replaced with a daytime game show. It sure would make up for WKMG preempting $25k Pyramid, PYL, Eubanks CS, and Combs Family Feud 10-20 years ago.
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I think one key thing to consider is that, regardless of what the affiliates do, CBS is going to make its decision based on 3:00 being the hour that's being vacated. On CBS's schedule, 10:00 is already a 'local' hour.
That's what makes me think that it's going to be returned, not re-programmed.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'211592\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 01:48 PM\']
I think one key thing to consider is that, regardless of what the affiliates do, CBS is going to make its decision based on 3:00 being the hour that's being vacated. On CBS's schedule, 10:00 is already a 'local' hour.
That's what makes me think that it's going to be returned, not re-programmed.
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Although it hasn't been mentioned yet, and as much as I'd like to see an extra hour of TPIR classic shows, I also wonder something else. Maybe this is the opportunity Bill Bell has been waiting for - to finally expand B&B to an hour. CBS would give the 12:30-1pm (EST) half hour back to affiliates, bump Y&R to 1pm, and air B&B where GL was, from 3-4pm or 10-11am or whatever.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'211594\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 12:59 PM\']
Although it hasn't been mentioned yet, and as much as I'd like to see an extra hour of TPIR classic shows, I also wonder something else. Maybe this is the opportunity Bill Bell has been waiting for - to finally expand B&B to an hour. CBS would give the 12:30-1pm (EST) half hour back to affiliates, bump Y&R to 1pm, and air B&B where GL was, from 3-4pm or 10-11am or whatever.
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Well, was waiting for, anyway -- Bill Bell died almost four years ago. Somebody mentioned eons ago that he had the next commitment, but judging by this article I think that's gone by the boards.
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Given the state of the daytime drama genre, I doubt B&B will get an additional 30 minutes. Without Y&R as a lead-in, B&B would be in the same ratings shape as most of the remaining sudsers. If we had this conversation 4-5 years ago, it would be a different story.
JD
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'211598\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 02:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'211594\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 12:59 PM\']
Although it hasn't been mentioned yet, and as much as I'd like to see an extra hour of TPIR classic shows, I also wonder something else. Maybe this is the opportunity Bill Bell has been waiting for - to finally expand B&B to an hour. CBS would give the 12:30-1pm (EST) half hour back to affiliates, bump Y&R to 1pm, and air B&B where GL was, from 3-4pm or 10-11am or whatever.
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Well, was waiting for, anyway -- Bill Bell died almost four years ago. Somebody mentioned eons ago that he had the next commitment, but judging by this article I think that's gone by the boards.
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Wow, I guess I should stick to game shows then - I had no idea he had passed. Yes, definitely scratch B&B off the board. :)
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Also, B&B has a much smaller cast compared to other daytime soaps. It's been said that's why it has stuck to a half hour rather than an hour for all these years. If they had wanted to expand it ,they probably would have at this point.
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The B&B scenario sounds most plausible to me. Expanding a show would sure be cheaper and a safer bet than mounting a new one. And giving half an hour to the affiliates will pacify them while letting CBS keep half an hour.
But, golly, it would be neat to see "Two-Thousand Dollar Password."
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'211577\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 04:59 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211565\' date=\'Mar 30 2009, 10:29 PM\']
Game shows still carry with them the "older demographic" baggage.
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Exactly what sorts of people do they expect to be watching TV at that time of day anyway? The 25-39ers out there are either at work making the disposable income necessary to spend on whatever the advertisers would be selling, or don't have that sort of income to begin with.
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The point is, if I'm in the position of deciding what to do with a newly-vacated one-hour time slot on the CBS daytime schedule, game shows don't look very attractive because they generally deliver older demographics than other types of programming you could put on. In the olden days, daytime network TV catered to stay-at-home housewives and sold them household products ranging from food to floor wax. The older demos of game shows were offset by the fact that they were cheaper to produce, and the lower rates were attractive to advertisers. Nowadays Mom is part of the work force so the audience that's left consumes mobility scooters, Medicare supplements and diabeetus supplies.
It wouldn't shock me if CBS came up with something along the lines of The View.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211683\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 12:23 AM\']
It wouldn't shock me if CBS came up with something along the lines of The View.
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Just call it "The Eye".
//Send that check in the mail, kthxbye!
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211683\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 12:23 AM\']
It wouldn't shock me if CBS came up with something along the lines of The View.[/quote]
Ooh, maybe they could lure Hannah Storm back from ESPN!
/and maybe she'd learn how to talk out of the front of her mouth instead of the side
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'211588\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 01:06 PM\']
WKMG in Orlando airs Guiding Light at 10 AM every day before TPIR. If it gets cancelled I am sure it could be replaced with a daytime game show. It sure would make up for WKMG preempting $25k Pyramid, PYL, Eubanks CS, and Combs Family Feud 10-20 years ago.
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Proceed with my instructions from earlier in the thread, thank you.
("Everybody, clap your hands, and we can bring daytime game shows back to life! Before the light goes out, quick, everybody clap! Clap! As loud as you can!")
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[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'211685\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 03:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211683\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 12:23 AM\']
It wouldn't shock me if CBS came up with something along the lines of The View.
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Just call it "The Eye".
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Tongue to Tongue with Connie Chung (http://\"http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0295085/\")
(er, maybe not....)
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While I'd rather see game shows, I wonder if the nets have ever thought of repurposing an hour of a previous night's primetime shows in the daytime? Example: If you missed any of CSI last night, check it out at 3pm the next day.
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'211600\' date=\'Mar 31 2009, 01:28 PM\']
Given the state of the daytime drama genre, I doubt B&B will get an additional 30 minutes. Without Y&R as a lead-in, B&B would be in the same ratings shape as most of the remaining sudsers. If we had this conversation 4-5 years ago, it would be a different story.
JD
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B&B doesn't get the luxury of that in a lot of the US
Many years ago, CBS offered its affiliates a half hour at noon so they could air local news.
Outside of the East Coast, stations have the option of airing Y&R at either 11am or 11:30 am (In Pattern), taking B&B at 12:30
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'211695\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:37 AM\']
Tongue to Tongue with Connie Chung (http://\"http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0295085/\")
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Just between you and me.
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It's official...GL is canceled, last ep is in September- (http://\"http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hrVRFEml6Exztla4W4np_aN9U-vAD979QD380\") so let the speculation continue...
More info... (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/cbs_will_turn_off_light_in_sep.php\")
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let the speculation continue...
The Judge Judy Hour.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211712\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 11:55 AM\']
let the speculation continue...
The Judge Judy Hour. [/quote]
Don't laugh. KPTV FOX 12 here in Portland is now triple-running Judge Judy from 6 PM-7:30 PM weeknights. They recently demoted syndie Deal from 7 PM to 5 PM on their sister station (KPDX 49).
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'211707\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:06 PM\']so let the speculation continue...[/quote]
Kim Zimmer becomes one of the highest-paid movie actresses ever, with her first five films grossing over $200 million each.
With the first one called "YEAH, RIGHT."
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- Fantasy! (The show that starred Peter Marshall and Leslie Uggams)
- The Mindreaders/All Star Secrets Hour
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211712\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 01:55 PM\']
let the speculation continue...
The Judge Judy Hour.
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That's already on the CBS Station in Chicago. An hour in syndication is far suffice.
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[quote name=\'Robair\' post=\'211715\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'211707\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:06 PM\']so let the speculation continue...[/quote]
Kim Zimmer becomes one of the highest-paid movie actresses ever, with her first five films grossing over $200 million each.
With the first one called "YEAH, RIGHT."
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Just for that, Robair, I propose CBS gets a game show called "Jack*Bot," where you can win BILLIONS of dollars!
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The Mindreaders/All Star Secrets Hour
I think that would be cancelled before it reached its first commercial break!
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Here's the latest, just posted on TVWeek... possible return of Pyramid
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_pyramid_contender_to_rep.php\")
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[quote name=\'splinkynip\' post=\'211732\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 04:19 PM\']
Here's the latest, just posted on TVWeek... possible return of Pyramid
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_pyramid_contender_to_rep.php\")
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The show mentions Davies as producer...interesting. Would love to see it come to fruition, esp. if it would tape in NY...
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[quote name=\'splinkynip\' post=\'211732\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 04:19 PM\']
Here's the latest, just posted on TVWeek... possible return of Pyramid
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_pyramid_contender_to_rep.php\")
[/quote]A good wow. Now to fill a second half hour...
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I hope this isn't an April Fools joke....TV Week cannot be that cruel
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'211737\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 04:36 PM\']
[quote name=\'splinkynip\' post=\'211732\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 04:19 PM\']
Here's the latest, just posted on TVWeek... possible return of Pyramid
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_pyramid_contender_to_rep.php\")
[/quote]A good wow. Now to fill a second half hour...
[/quote]
The story says the show would be an hour-long, if it happens.
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[quote name=\'splinkynip\' post=\'211732\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 01:19 PM\'] Here's the latest, just posted on TVWeek... possible return of Pyramid
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/25000_p...nder_to_rep.php\")[/quote]
Sweet! Hopefully, they won't mess up the Winner's Circle like they did with the Osmond version.
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LOL, maybe THIS is that "Two-thousand dollar Password" sombody was referring to ;)
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I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
Would I love to see it? Yeah. Am I optimistic even if it DID happen? Huh-uh.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211745\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:07 PM\']
I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
Would I love to see it? Yeah. Am I optimistic even if it DID happen? Huh-uh.
[/quote]
And the same Sony who butchered Pyramid last time.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'211746\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:07 PM\']
And the same Sony who butchered Pyramid last time.[/quote]
Well, at least *there*, maybe they learned something.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211745\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:07 PM\']
I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
[/quote]
But could that be blamed more on contestant coordinators? From the few episodes I saw, the show seemed to get the gist of Cullen's version, just had dumb contestants.
/With apologies to Joe Mello
//Okay, Dylan Lane needed some improvement too
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211751\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 02:22 PM\']
But could that be blamed more on contestant coordinators? From the few episodes I saw, the show seemed to get the gist of Cullen's version, just had dumb contestants.[/quote]
No, even without the idiot contestants, that format and presentation still blows.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211751\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211745\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:07 PM\']
I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
[/quote]
But could that be blamed more on contestant coordinators? From the few episodes I saw, the show seemed to get the gist of Cullen's version, just had dumb contestants.
/With apologies to Joe Mello
//Okay, Dylan Lane needed some improvement too
[/quote]
Well, who do you think hired the contestant coordinators?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'211755\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:33 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211751\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211745\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:07 PM\']
I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
[/quote]
But could that be blamed more on contestant coordinators? From the few episodes I saw, the show seemed to get the gist of Cullen's version, just had dumb contestants.
/With apologies to Joe Mello
//Okay, Dylan Lane needed some improvement too
[/quote]
Well, who do you think hired the contestant coordinators?
[/quote]
Um...Sony's Contestant Coordinator Coordinators??? :P
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I would love to see Pyramid return. It would be something I never expected to see - a new network daytime game show...
As far as the Osmond-version bashing goes, I hope they fix those errors. My main problems with that version were a) the constantly-changing camera angles in the WC, which to me completely wrecked the tension, and b) the set - it looked like someone put a bunch of flat screen TVs, a couple tables and chairs, and a few laptops in a warehouse. There was no character there! Hopefully with a network behind it, if this version gets off the ground anyway, they'll develop a better product.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211751\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 04:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211745\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 05:07 PM\']
I'll gently point out that this is the same Michael Davies who completely butchered Chain Reaction.
[/quote]
But could that be blamed more on contestant coordinators? From the few episodes I saw, the show seemed to get the gist of Cullen's version, just had dumb contestants.
[/quote]
Two words: Betting. Round.
/still makes me facepalm after all these years
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I can fix all of the problems with the most recent version of Pyramid:
- Two subjects in 15 seconds. Yeah, that ought to do it. It will still challenge many players.
- Give the celebrities all of the subjects and possible clues in advance, both for the main game and the end game.
- For the end game, turn off ALL the lights in the studio and play in the dark.
- Have someone from the studio audience act as judge for each show.
- No contestants under age 35.
- Top prize: One Zillion Dollars!
- And now, for the pièce de résistance, the emcee -- even smilier and more personable than Donny Osmond:
BILLY MAYS (http://\"http://images.broadwayworld.com/photoops/shieldschicago/rookeShieldsBackontheBoards008-vi.jpg\")
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Well we do know for sure now that the hour isn't going back to the affiliates. A paraphrase from CBS president Nancy Tellum in an article in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/arts/television/02ligh.html) says they are definitely keeping the hour.
Greg
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211786\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:33 PM\']
BILLY MAYS (http://\"http://images.broadwayworld.com/photoops/shieldschicago/rookeShieldsBackontheBoards008-vi.jpg\") [/quote]
I was going to say that Vince the ShamWow! guy was kicked off the gig after his recent legal troubles ... then I remembered Marv Albert.
/or Martha Stewart
//or Bob Barker, for that matter
///have your slashies spayed and neutered
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There's always Tony Little (http://\"http://thedailyelephant.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/tony-little-gazelle.jpg\").
I hear they're saving Vince the ShamWow guy for Family Feud.
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'211790\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 06:41 PM\']
Well we do know for sure now that the hour isn't going back to the affiliates. A paraphrase from CBS president Nancy Tellum in an article in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/arts/television/02ligh.html) says they are definitely keeping the hour.
Greg
[/quote]
If they gave that hour away they would never get it back. The networks have basically shut themselves out of daytime for good in those time slots they released to the affiliates.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211795\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 10:02 PM\']
I hear they're saving Vince the ShamWow guy for Family Feud.
[/quote]
Considering he was a frontrunner for TPIR after Drew, then Bart got fired.
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Forget Pyramid, they should bring back What's Going On? (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfy-51n2TM\")
Tony Little they can save for the remake of What's My Line? He'd look so cute with a bow tie and that tank top.
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Whatever else they do, if they played only three games an hour, they'd have time for bonus cards, 7-in-30 and Winner's Circle post-mortems. I'd set it up like this: 2 players have a best-of-3 format, with the second win a 25K attempt. Games wouldn't straddle, of course, but matches could. (Yes, I realize this means defending champions and airing shows in the order taped.)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211796\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 10:09 PM\']If they gave that hour away they would never get it back. The networks have basically shut themselves out of daytime for good in those time slots they released to the affiliates.
[/quote]Why did they give them away, then? Was programming daytime shows that much of a hassle that it wasn't worth it?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'211808\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:17 PM\']
Games wouldn't straddle, of course, but matches could. (Yes, I realize this means defending champions and airing shows in the order taped.)[/quote]
You were doing so well until this point.
LOVE the three-games-a-day thing. But make it easy: start with four contestants. Games 1 and 2, go to Winner's Circle for $10K. Game 3 features the winners of Games 1 and 2, winner plays for $25K. None of that moronic "the $10K goes away" crap, a possible day's work is $35K.
If you want to make sure everyone goes away with something, play for increments of $100 instead of points, losers keep their cash. Or send 'em away with Lovely Parting Gifts. Doesn't really matter.
Boom. Self-contained hour. Risks someone getting screwed with a bad celebrity, but so does a 2 of 3 match.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211828\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 01:08 AM\']
LOVE the three-games-a-day thing. But make it easy: start with four contestants. Games 1 and 2, go to Winner's Circle for $10K. Game 3 features the winners of Games 1 and 2, winner plays for $25K. None of that moronic "the $10K goes away" crap, a possible day's work is $35K.
[/quote]
To make sure I'm reading correctly, basically three full matches (two qualifiers then a "playoff" of sorts)? At first I was kinda confused, then remembered that an hour in 2009 isn't worth what it was in 1982, so that idea sounds cool, and it prolly allows a more spread out game without having to trim any game play (i.e. 6-in-20 instead of 7-in-30). Works for me! :-)
/Just don't make the set look like a rave
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211831\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 01:01 AM\']
/Just don't make the set look like a rave
[/quote]
This is all being terribly presumptuous - we'd have to assume they are going to cancel GL (which no official announcement has been made about yet), then we'd have to assume that CBS is going to hang on to that hour and not pawn it off to the affiliates, then we'd have to assume that they'll put game shows in that hour, and finally that one of those shows they bring in is a Pyramid revival.
In the event that all those stars happen to align perfectly, I don't see any reason why they can't just take the old-school approach and craft a set that's at least close to the one they used in the '80s. Obviously it'll be flat screens over trilons, and they may tone down the chasing lights, but still. Pyramid is one of those shows that had an iconic look to it (PYL and Match Game are the other big ones I can think of). Why mess with it?
For all the talk about advertising demos, there's nothing I can think of that would attract a new viewer to a show more than flipping the channel, seeing this, (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/2009/04/01/25000pyramid.jpg\") and saying, "Hey! I remember that show!"
(Minus Dick Clark, of course. And the word "discotheque".)
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'211832\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 01:07 AM\']
(Minus Dick Clark, of course)[/quote]
Mr. Goen! Paging Mr. Bob Goen to the $300 courtesy phone, please!
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211817\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211796\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 10:09 PM\']If they gave that hour away they would never get it back. The networks have basically shut themselves out of daytime for good in those time slots they released to the affiliates.
[/quote]Why did they give them away, then? Was programming daytime shows that much of a hassle that it wasn't worth it?[/quote]
I'm not sure. Part of it may have been that affiliates wanted to fill the time with barter syndication shows. Some of it may have had to do with affiliate compensation issues. Some of it may have been the cost of developing and piloting new shows every quarter. Some of it may have been that the major game show packagers were folding up shop and selling their assets to movie studios, etc. Having said that, you now have veteran producers such as Monty Hall and Merrill Heatter who seem to want to get back in the business.
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Somehow, I envisioned the Pyramid set to be a reworked version of the old set. If they still have parts of the set in storage for 21 years, they can always bring it out, repaint it & touch it up a bit. I'll accept flat screens as long as they don't irritate my eyes.
Chris does bring up an interesting point in regards to demos & marketing. GL's cancellation apparently was not only based on ratings, but its license fees were such that they couldn't add up financially. So, CBS eventually said it's time to pull the plug on a 72 year-old staple & maybe replace it with something that's cheaper & easieer to license. All they need for Pyramid is a viable host. Goen's not a bad canidate. But I think CBS might be looking for someone that caters to the "trendy" demos.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211834\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:20 AM\']
Having said that, you now have veteran producers such as Monty Hall and Merrill Heatter who seem to want to get back in the business.
[/quote]
Here's another can of lighter fluid to add to the fire of speculation.
It was just a few weeks ago when Monty Hall was interviewed on WABC Radio. Monty said that they were working on a new incarnation of LMAD, but gave no other clues as to if & where it might show up.
Perhaps Monty & CBS were already talking about the possibility of bringing LMAD back to daytime TV. Price & Deal were two of the biggest daytime juggernauts of the mid 70's. Both are similar in vain -- pricing games & audience participation -- and both could attract demos across the board (if LMAD would include more younger audience members on the trading floor -- read as more single 20-somethings than older, married couples).
Though LMAD could be a possibility, I would like to see something more on the Pyramid/Password/Match Game side, myself.
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[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'211832\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:07 AM\']
This is all being terribly presumptuous - we'd have to assume they are going to cancel GL (which no official announcement has been made about yet)
[/quote]
Yes, it has:
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/04/01/g...ight-cancelled/ (http://\"http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/04/01/guiding-light-cancelled/\")
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211833\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:20 AM\']
Mr. Goen! Paging Mr. Bob Goen to the $300 courtesy phone, please!
[/quote]
Wayne Cox or nobody. CBS goofed it by not offering him the Million Dollar Password job. And we all saw what happened there.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'211837\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:54 AM\']
[quote name=\'Loogaroo\' post=\'211832\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:07 AM\']
This is all being terribly presumptuous - we'd have to assume they are going to cancel GL (which no official announcement has been made about yet)
[/quote]
Yes, it has:
http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/04/01/g...ight-cancelled/ (http://\"http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/04/01/guiding-light-cancelled/\")
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211833\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:20 AM\']
Mr. Goen! Paging Mr. Bob Goen to the $300 courtesy phone, please!
[/quote]
Wayne Cox or nobody. CBS goofed it by not offering him the Million Dollar Password job. And we all saw what happened there.
[/quote]
I always enjoyed Wayne as a host, I thought he was quite personable. He is currently working for Blagal BC as a news broadcaster.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211828\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 01:08 AM\']
You were doing so well until this point.
LOVE the three-games-a-day thing. But make it easy: start with four contestants. Games 1 and 2, go to Winner's Circle for $10K. Game 3 features the winners of Games 1 and 2, winner plays for $25K. None of that moronic "the $10K goes away" crap, a possible day's work is $35K.
If you want to make sure everyone goes away with something, play for increments of $100 instead of points, losers keep their cash. Or send 'em away with Lovely Parting Gifts. Doesn't really matter.
Boom. Self-contained hour. Risks someone getting screwed with a bad celebrity, but so does a 2 of 3 match.
[/quote]I really don't like this idea. It feels like a step backward after the producers acknowledged the unfairness of the one-and-done format by dumping it in the revival. I think the best way of going about this is to take the 80s structure and allow games and matches to straddle to keep the show from feeling rushed.
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As someone who felt burned by the '02-'04 abomination, this new version (if it happens at all) would have to earn raves from each and every Pyramid fan on this board (besides myself of course) before I even consider watching, otherwise I will continue to hold to my current stance regarding the state of the genre (namely: mediocre, overprocessed, boring, artificial-feeling, incompetent; in short, why bother anymore?). Yeah, hope springs eternal and all that, but... if The $XX,000 Pyramid can't make it these days, what hope is there that game shows will ever be great again (if television itself survives long enough to give them a chance to become great again)?
\pessimistic much? yeah
\\to tie in another thread, this whole decade has been my most frustrating "moment" as a game show fan
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[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'211847\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 10:52 AM\']
As someone who felt burned by the '02-'04 abomination[/quote]
"Abomination" is such a strong word.
Am I the only who didn't like Donny-Mid simply because of its judging policy ("why you swim in a lake" not acceptable for "why you jump in a lake", as I'm pretty sure it would have been acceptable on the Clark/Cullen/Davidson versions)?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211834\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:20 AM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211817\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211796\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 10:09 PM\']If they gave that hour away they would never get it back. The networks have basically shut themselves out of daytime for good in those time slots they released to the affiliates.
[/quote]Why did they give them away, then? Was programming daytime shows that much of a hassle that it wasn't worth it?[/quote]
I'm not sure. Part of it may have been that affiliates wanted to fill the time with barter syndication shows.
[/quote]
Wasn't the issue that affiliates simply weren't clearing the shows? CBS didn't "give back" the Body Language/Tattletales time slot until they couldn't get enough stations to run what they were feeding.
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Here's another option - let the bashing begin:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/wi...pand_113071.asp (http://\"http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/with_light_unplugged_will_the_early_show_expand_113071.asp\")
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'211853\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 11:14 AM\']
Here's another option - let the bashing begin:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/wi...pand_113071.asp (http://\"http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/with_light_unplugged_will_the_early_show_expand_113071.asp\")
[/quote]
I feel so silly (that option never occurring to me). That's gotta be the odds-on favorite for what ends up happening.
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Well, that's cheap to do, the resources are already in place, and the lead talent is banging the boss on a regular basis.
Done and done.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'211853\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:14 PM\']
Here's another option - let the bashing begin:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/wi...pand_113071.asp (http://\"http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/with_light_unplugged_will_the_early_show_expand_113071.asp\")
[/quote]
Isn't the Early Show in third place against Today and GMA? They might try something else (ie $25K Pyramid, talker, etc) to gain eyeballs before they give Chenbot essentially her own hour.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'211856\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:21 PM\']
Well, that's cheap to do, the resources are already in place, and the lead talent is banging the boss on a regular basis.
...
[/quote]
That also makes the case for "Big Brother AM" as well.
/Shudders are highly encouraged...
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211841\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 07:22 AM\']
I think the best way of going about this is to take the 80s structure and allow games and matches to straddle to keep the show from feeling rushed.[/quote]
Okay, but I'm dealing with a) the realities of the need for a self-contained non-straddling hour and b) the desire to not have to explain in the middle of the show that because Person A won $500 and Person B won $750 (and not necessarily on this episode, even) that Person B is the champion and will be facing a new challenger even though Person A won the most recent game. It worked on the '80s show because it *didn't* straddle and Dick was able to cover it all in the recap at the end.
Also I was trying to come up with a format that played three games in an hour, like Jay suggested, specifically to avoid that "rushed" issue.
Yes, if I had my druthers, it would be a two half-hour double-pump with two games per show. Also the desks would be made of chocolate fudge and Dick would make a miracle recovery so he could helm it.
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IIRC, CBS essentially forced affiliates to air The Early Show in its entirety 2-3 years ago (some affiliates opted not to air the show, or just an hour of it, in favor of local newscasts, infomercials or religious shows). It was said that some affiliate groups were not amused with CBS's demand, and I could see them raising a bigger stink if the Eye demanded to give a third hour of the day to the show.
Even though ratings have improved somewhat for the show in the last 12-18 months, it is still a distant third behind Today and GMA. Also, you would have to deal with giving the 3p slot back to the affiliates in exchange for the affiliates giving the 9a hour back, and I doubt some affiliates would be willing to do that.
JD
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'211862\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 11:35 AM\']
Even though ratings have improved somewhat for the show in the last 12-18 months, it is still a distant third behind Today and GMA.
[/quote]
Right. The CBS News source doesn't sound as if "The Early Show" idea is top of mind: "'We're ready if they need us to produce a show."
If it was going to the news division, I'd wonder if it would be a brand new show for the Chenbot herself.
Or CBS frees up the "Guiding Light" hour as an inducement to get affiliates to clear Katie Couric for a whole hour. With local news on CBS affils doing lousy ratings, maybe the stars align and a network news hour finally happens.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211861\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 11:34 AM\']
Also I was trying to come up with a format that played three games in an hour, like Jay suggested, specifically to avoid that "rushed" issue.
[/quote]
Yeah, but only three end games in an hour? That would suck. Maybe the top winners of the day come back to play for $30K at the end, no front game (except for a tie breaker).
Or you play two 30-second rounds instead of three in the front game. Or one 60-second round. Or stick with 6 in 20 seconds. But they can't cheat us out of a winners' circle.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211861\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:34 PM\']
Yes, if I had my druthers, it would be a two half-hour double-pump with two games per show. Also the desks would be made of chocolate fudge and Dick would make a miracle recovery so he could helm it.
[/quote]
I'd just settle for Dick, but the fudge clinches it - I'd watch.
The above line has never been typed on the intranets, has it?
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Funny what a little 1-hour timeslot vacated by a long-running soap can do - this is the most active thread I've seen in a while.
A new "Pyramid" would be quite cool as well....I did get to thinking, yesterday, though (just for discussion's sake), a cheap solution would be not only re-purposing of CBS shows (as previously mentioned), but something else. The oft-used "sitcom rerun", which pretty much ended in the early '90s...Which CBS sitcoms haven't hit that magical 100 episode/4-season minimum for syndication yet?
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Would it be too much of a radical departure if they did two front games before going to the end game? Players would switch partners at the end of the first front game. In an even more radical departure, the winning player would be charged with the task of giving clues to both celebrities in the Winner's Circle, either at the same time or alternating. That would solve the timing problem and the bad celebrity problem, so you'd get four front games and two end games an hour.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'211873\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:39 PM\']
I'd just settle for Dick, but the fudge clinches it - I'd watch.
The above line has never been typed on the intranets, has it?
[/quote]
You'd be surprised...
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'211869\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 10:12 AM\']
Yeah, but only three end games in an hour? That would suck.[/quote]
If you want four, in this TV climate of more ad time than the '80s, you're getting a show with the breakneck pace and no soul whatsoever of Donnymid.
Or you play two 30-second rounds instead of three in the front game.
"From Television City in Hollywood, THIS is The New $25,000 Rhombus!"
Or one 60-second round.
Now you're just being silly.
Or stick with 6 in 20 seconds.
No, this sucked and is precisely what we are trying to avoid.
But they can't cheat us out of a winners' circle.
If they give me back my Pyramid done right, I assure you, they absolutely can.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'211851\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 09:12 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211834\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:20 AM\']
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211817\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 08:57 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'211796\' date=\'Apr 1 2009, 10:09 PM\']If they gave that hour away they would never get it back. The networks have basically shut themselves out of daytime for good in those time slots they released to the affiliates.
[/quote]Why did they give them away, then? Was programming daytime shows that much of a hassle that it wasn't worth it?[/quote]
I'm not sure. Part of it may have been that affiliates wanted to fill the time with barter syndication shows.
[/quote]
Wasn't the issue that affiliates simply weren't clearing the shows? CBS didn't "give back" the Body Language/Tattletales time slot until they couldn't get enough stations to run what they were feeding.
[/quote]
That's entirely possible.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'211874\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:44 PM\']
Funny what a little 1-hour timeslot vacated by a long-running soap can do - this is the most active thread I've seen in a while.
[/quote]
What a good point. Mostly because this is the first time since the internets began that we've talked about a network daytime game show launch that actually has a chance of happening.
I think Neumms is right -- CBS threw in the towel on the 4 PM slot (12 noon in some markets) after PYL failed to do business there; they must have figured it was the slot and not the programming. That was nearly two years after ABC gave that slot back to the affiliates, and almost a decade after NBC stopped programming there (they started programming 1 PM instead, which they hadn't done in years). By that time, Donahue, Oprah, and the enlarging of local news (or pushing it a half-hour earlier, to open up the 7:00 PM slot) had become fashionable.
I don't see any logic in making "The Early Show" any longer. "We've had the least popular early-morning news program for over 30 years, so let's make it bigger" isn't gonna fly.
No one's ever going to do this, but I'd love to see what would happen if some smaller-market station dared to program Pyramid and TPIR from, say, 3 to 5 PM rather than 10 AM to 12. I don't see the sense in having two or three court shows battling each other to death in that slot.
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But what is to stop CBS from moving TPIR to 3 pm and slotting the extra Early Show hour, similar to NBC and the Today show 4 hour marathon? As much as I want a new Pyramid, I fear this is the direction they might take. Then some affilliates won't clear TPIR after a while and it disappears too.
/then we can have another hour of the Chenbot.
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[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'211887\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:34 PM\']
But what is to stop CBS from moving TPIR to 3 pm and slotting the extra Early Show hour, similar to NBC and the Today show 4 hour marathon? As much as I want a new Pyramid, I fear this is the direction they might take. Then some affilliates won't clear TPIR after a while and it disappears too.
[/quote]
I don't quite know the logistics of programming, but I have a feeling that a lot of CBS affiliates still do well with TPiR as a lead-in to their noon (or 11am) newscasts. I'd like to think they'd raise all kinds of hell if CBS told them to move Price, which still holds it own at 11/10c.
But again, all ex rectum.
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I tend to agree with Curt - let's face it, when you talk morning shows (news/talk shows...not Captain Kangaroo), CBS has never had a hit. Remember "The Morning Program"? I'd rather forget it. I don't think Early Show will expand to a third hour when it's already a distant-third in the morning race. "Today" had good reason to go FOUR hours, it gets the ratings.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211888\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:41 PM\']
I don't quite know the logistics of programming, but I have a feeling that a lot of CBS affiliates still do well with TPiR as a lead-in. I'd like to think they'd raise all kinds of hell if CBS told them to move Price, which still holds it own at 11/10c.
But again, all ex rectum.
[/quote]
The cancellation of GL will be the first modification to the CBS daytime schedule in 22 1/2 years (16, if you count giving the 10-11am hour back to affiliates). I can't imagine they would shake anything else up, either.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211888\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:41 PM\']
I don't quite know the logistics of programming, but I have a feeling that a lot of CBS affiliates still do well with TPiR as a lead-in. I'd like to think they'd raise all kinds of hell if CBS told them to move Price, which still holds it own at 11/10c. [/quote]
In addition: try convincing the general demographic of people TPIR seems to get nowadays* that their show now airs at 3. That just doesn't look like a pretty sight.
*and you know I'm not talking about us.
/Mass boycott of The Scooter Store, Liberty Medical and that Sonicearz thing?
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Aaron Sica wrote:
Remember "The Morning Program"? I'd rather forget it.
Was that the one that was breakfast for your head? CBS has had so many incarnations of their morning show that I have no idea which is which.
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Curt Alliaume wrote:
I don't see the sense in having two or three court shows battling each other to death in that slot.
Fixed it for you.
(I don't watch The View, but I can at least understand why some people might want to watch it. Ditto the soap operas. But the appeal of the court shows completely mystifies me.)
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'211896\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:24 PM\']
(I don't watch The View, but I can at least understand why some people might want to watch it. Ditto the soap operas. But the appeal of the court shows completely mystifies me.)
[/quote]
They help the unemployed people who are available to watch daytime TV prepare for their upcoming trial dates.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'211896\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:24 PM\']
(I don't watch The View, but I can at least understand why some people might want to watch it. Ditto the soap operas. But the appeal of the court shows completely mystifies me.)
[/quote]
Because without them the white trash factor on TV would be severely limited, and as we all know, "white trash = ratings!"
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'211850\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 11:11 AM\']
[quote name=\'Tony Peters\' post=\'211847\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 10:52 AM\']
As someone who felt burned by the '02-'04 abomination[/quote]
"Abomination" is such a strong word.
Am I the only who didn't like Donny-Mid simply because of its judging policy ("why you swim in a lake" not acceptable for "why you jump in a lake", as I'm pretty sure it would have been acceptable on the Clark/Cullen/Davidson versions)?
[/quote]
I acutally agree with you here. I can understand the specific on the top category, but the judging was pretty strict overall.
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'211907\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 02:25 PM\']
I acutally agree with you here. I can understand the specific on the top category, but the judging was pretty strict overall.[/quote]
The problem there was not the judging per se (though I do have huge issues with that too), the problem there was the writing. The continued insistence to use compound subjects (as in, two separate concepts had to be combined to create a correct answer, usually a verb-noun combination) for reasons I cannot fathom other than the nebulous The Producers Really Didn't Get It was a big contribution to why the Winner's Circle was so broken on that version.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'211895\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:20 PM\']
Aaron Sica wrote:
Remember "The Morning Program"? I'd rather forget it.
Was that the one that was breakfast for your head? CBS has had so many incarnations of their morning show that I have no idea which is which.
[/quote]
No. That was what CBS This Morning used for a while during the mid-1990s. This was during the Harry Smith/Paula Zahn tenure.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'211911\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 05:43 PM\']
No. That was what CBS This Morning used for a while during the mid-1990s. This was during the Harry Smith/Paula Zahn tenure.
[/quote]
Was that the version that added the studio audience?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211915\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 05:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'211911\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 05:43 PM\']
No. That was what CBS This Morning used for a while during the mid-1990s. This was during the Harry Smith/Paula Zahn tenure.
[/quote]
Was that the version that added the studio audience?
[/quote]
Yes. I found that interesting because CBS was sure as shootin' that the studio audience was part of the problem for The Morning Program and insisted they wouldn't go that route again. When CBS This Morning was dumped for This Morning (which began the era of more broadcasting time for the affiliated stations within the two hours) out went the audience {and Harry and Paula; but not Mark McEwen who seemed to have more lives than a cat at the CBS morning attempts}.
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But, as we saw with Password, the big issue with a new Pyramid, I think, is finding enough competent celebrities. I don't think this is as difficult in terms of gameplay, since you can do or say whatever you want for most of the game, but it's certainly a pending issue.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'211917\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:07 PM\']
But, as we saw with Password, the big issue with a new Pyramid, I think, is finding enough competent celebrities.
[/quote]
Would it be acceptable to you if celebrities were not used?
Just pair up a couple of strangers.
There'd be a budget savings.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'211922\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:57 PM\']Just pair up a couple of strangers.[/quote]That's certainly an interesting hypothetical we've often thrown around. I wouldn't have any qualms, mainly if the top prize is given to each person, rather than making it The $12,500 Pyramid.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211861\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:34 PM\']
Okay, but I'm dealing with a) the realities of the need for a self-contained non-straddling hour[/quote]The article did say it would likely be an hour-long show, but I don't see where it has to be self-contained. That's a point I wouldn't concede so quickly. Straddling gives the format so much more freedom.
and b) the desire to not have to explain in the middle of the show that because Person A won $500 and Person B won $750 (and not necessarily on this episode, even) that Person B is the champion and will be facing a new challenger even though Person A won the most recent game. It worked on the '80s show because it *didn't* straddle and Dick was able to cover it all in the recap at the end.
Again, I don't see the problem. If the host explains that before the Winners' Circle, like Dick did before the second WC most days, there will be no place to be confused. They can still have the downstage recap, say "Bye" to the loser and immediately say "Hi" to the newbie.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211881\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 02:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'211869\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 10:12 AM\']
Yeah, but only three end games in an hour? That would suck.[/quote]
If you want four, in this TV climate of more ad time than the '80s, you're getting a show with the breakneck pace and no soul whatsoever of Donnymid.[/quote]The average daytime Price is Right runs about 37 1/2 to 39 minutes. For Pyramid, that's 12 1/2 to 13 per segment for 3 WCs. For four, that'll be 9 1/3 to 9 3/4. Looking at online episodes of Bold and Beautiful, they run about 20 minutes and change. 2 in a half-hour might be doable, but I don't think CBS wants to commission two shows, have one fail and be stuck filling something in after Christmas break.
Or stick with 6 in 20 seconds.
No, this sucked and is precisely what we are trying to avoid.
I could get behind 6-in-20 before I'll ever get behind one-and-done. First new daytime game show in 15 years or not, one-and-done would be The Dealbreaker for me. Especially with the caliber of celebrities they're likely to get, at least for the first couple years.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'211917\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:07 PM\']
I don't think this is as difficult in terms of gameplay, since you can do or say whatever you want for most of the game, but it's certainly a pending issue.[/quote]
It's only a pending issue if they let it be. With some notable exceptions, celebrities have not gotten stupider since the 1980s. Finding a decent stable of celebrities who can play the game, just like they did before, is doable, pending the hiring of competent wranglers.
(Coolio, however, may not be available (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolio#Staffordshire_University_Incident\").)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211926\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:11 PM\']
(Coolio, however, may not be available (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolio#Staffordshire_University_Incident\").)
[/quote]
'Tis quite possible. (http://\"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29620187/\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211926\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'211917\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:07 PM\']
I don't think this is as difficult in terms of gameplay, since you can do or say whatever you want for most of the game, but it's certainly a pending issue.[/quote]
It's only a pending issue if they let it be. With some notable exceptions, celebrities have not gotten stupider since the 1980s. Finding a decent stable of celebrities who can play the game, just like they did before, is doable, pending the hiring of competent wranglers.
[/quote]
It's doable, but you're back to the starting point.
By the mid-1980s, Stewart had a stable of semi-regulars whose claim to "celebrity" was dubious (Mary Cadorette and The Smiths -- who are now pretty much out of show business [dance studio owner, realtor, marriage/family therapist]). But they kept appearing because the show clearly worked better with old hands in the celeb chairs. Whenever they had new kids on the block, they were paired against *other* new kids (Gladys Knight & Smokey Robinson) so that you didn't have the occasional '70s-era train wreck week. ("Your wife didn't win the first time in the Winner's Circle? Ooh, better make some room in the station wagon for those cases of Turtle Wax.")
Now, 20 years later (and five years after Donny's version), there's really no backlog of celebs to work with (Betty White can't be on every week), so they'll have to begin again. That can yield some fun weeks (the few eps surviving from the first CBS era are certainly enjoyable), but I would think the novelty will wear off. And I'm not sure how many A-level (or even B-level) celebs are going to dedicate 20 or 30 hours with a coordinator until they can play the game passably.
Me, I'm thinking couples instead of celebrities, which dodges the issue nicely, and means you have no one to blame but yourselves if you're one-and-done.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211924\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:06 PM\']
That's a point I wouldn't concede so quickly. Straddling gives the format so much more freedom.[/quote]
I agree with you. The state of television production in 2009 does not agree with either of us.
They can still have the downstage recap, say "Bye" to the loser and immediately say "Hi" to the newbie.
I fail to see a way to do that that isn't horribly awkward. You're suggesting that you recap, shoo off the loser on camera, and bring in the new player, all in one segment? That looks horrible on TV. Looked horrible in the '50s on What's My Line, looked horrible in the '70s on Gambit, would look horrible here.
The average daytime Price is Right runs about 37 1/2 to 39 minutes.
...or somewhere between 18:45 and 19:30 per half-hour. As opposed to the 22:30 that the Clark show had in the '80s. Those three-plus minutes are exactly what begat the whole 6-in-30-holy-shiat-we'd-better-move-fast-we-don't-even-have-time-for-a-recap-segment Donnymid.
For Pyramid, that's 12 1/2 to 13 per segment for 3 WCs.
From that initial number, take back a minute for the end-of-show recap, bye-bye, and credits. 30 seconds for the open. I'll take back a second minute for the hour show because you're getting to know two extra contestants. That puts this hypothetical hour show at 11:30-12:15 per front game / WC combination. The '80s show, using those same (admittedly wholly ex-rectum) estimates 10:30 per block. 60-90 seconds of stretch time, particularly on days when there are tiebreakers, is not a bad thing. In the least.
I could get behind 6-in-20 before I'll ever get behind one-and-done.
6-in-20 was crap. Period. Gave players NO chance to recover from the slightest stumble.
I didn't say I was terribly fond of the notion of one-and-done, only that assuming a) three games and b) the need for a self-contained hour, that's a way they could do it, and that a two-of-three match is just as unfair for the same reasons.
First new daytime game show in 15 years or not, one-and-done would be The Dealbreaker for me.
Oh noes, one less viewer. How will they cope.
Especially with the caliber of celebrities they're likely to get, at least for the first couple years.
Again, this is a solvable problem. Levar Burton, for example, is still alive and based on what I've heard from him lately (he's been a guest on This Week In Tech a couple times recently), would jump at the opportunity.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'211929\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 04:35 PM\']
Now, 20 years later (and five years after Donny's version), there's really no backlog of celebs to work with (Betty White can't be on every week), so they'll have to begin again.[/quote]
Why not? For every Bill Shatner there is a Neil Patrick Harris, and you know NPH would be there in a plug second. I remember us saying that Aisha Tyler didn't blow on MDP. Debra Jo Rupp was brilliant on Donnymid. Levar, above, is still out there.
Boom. I just booked ten shows in about thirty seconds.
Me, I'm thinking couples instead of celebrities, which dodges the issue nicely, and means you have no one to blame but yourselves if you're one-and-done.
...and also brings back into sharp relief the makes-sense-to-nobody-but-us clue. Folks at home can't play along with "This is what we had for dinner at John and Mary's house last week." That's the precise reason you have celebrities on these communications shows in the first place.
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How many Y&R stars did the show in the 80s...is Melody Thomas Scott still there? Jack Wagner (actually on B&B)? Dunno if the latter is any good, but you have at least one more competent contestant, and cross-promotion for CBS Daytime.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'211931\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 07:41 PM\']
Boom. I just booked ten shows in about thirty seconds.
[/quote]
Thinking with 2009 programming "smarts", you may have only booked two shows.
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I hope everything comes together, they do it right and that it gets picked up by CBS. We don't need another talk show. It would be great to have another daytime network game show, especially one like Pyramid.
I seriously thought GSN would try to revive this show before any other network (I know, celebrity factor). That, and with the success of Catch 21 I could see them trying to revive High Rollers (deserves a revival IMHO).
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'211936\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:06 PM\']
That, and with the success of Catch 21 I could see them trying to revive High Rollers (deserves a revival IMHO).[/quote]
Wholly concur. But it MUST have pink and blue monitors for the numbers.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211924\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:06 PM\']
and b) the desire to not have to explain in the middle of the show that because Person A won $500 and Person B won $750 (and not necessarily on this episode, even) that Person B is the champion and will be facing a new challenger even though Person A won the most recent game. It worked on the '80s show because it *didn't* straddle and Dick was able to cover it all in the recap at the end.
Again, I don't see the problem. If the host explains that before the Winners' Circle, like Dick did before the second WC most days, there will be no place to be confused. They can still have the downstage recap, say "Bye" to the loser and immediately say "Hi" to the newbie.[/quote]
Just to be clear, in my concept of straddled matches, the WC scores wouldn't decide the winner; winning two games out of three would decide the winner. So, while this situation wouldn't occur:
- Friday, Game 3, John wins $750.
- Monday, Game 1, Mary wins $500.
- John is the winner and continues against a new opponent in Game 2 on Monday's show.
this situation could:- Friday, Game 3, John wins $750.
- Monday, Game 1, Mary wins $10,000.
- Monday, Game 2, John wins $500.
- John is the winner and continues against a new opponent in Game 3 on Monday's show.
But this would be explained as they went to commercial after John wins Game 2.
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[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'211936\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 08:06 PM\']I seriously thought GSN would try to revive this show before any other network (I know, celebrity factor).[/quote]
This ... is the Five Thousand Dollar Pyramid!
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'211942\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 09:51 PM\']
[quote name=\'bwood\' post=\'211936\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 08:06 PM\']I seriously thought GSN would try to revive this show before any other network (I know, celebrity factor).[/quote]
This ... is the Five Thousand Dollar Pyramid!
[/quote]
I actually saw it as The $10,000 Pyramid ($5,000 each trip) but to each their own :)
Probably would have called it Pyramid again anyway....
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'211941\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 06:50 PM\']
Just to be clear, in my concept of straddled matches, the WC scores wouldn't decide the winner; winning two games out of three would decide the winner.[/quote]
No, I followed. Whether that's viable, though, I guess, depends on your confidence in consistent celebrity booking. Otherwise, we get the following:
Game 1: Bob wins with Neil Patrick Harris over Mary with William Shatner.
Game 2: Mary wins with NPH over Bob with Teh Shat.
Game 3: Mary's screwed.
I suppose there are ways to make it a LITTLE better - player who wins more in the WC, or the 10K in less time if they both do it, gets to pick their celebrity for Game Three, but all of those scenarios don't change the fact that someone has to play with the dud twice.
And I still really really feel like any modern production of the show is going to want to avoid both straddling and potential continuity issues if at all possible. Us purists don't have to like it, of course, but that's a reality.
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I don't like the idea of someone winning $10K and not being declared champion.
If the Powers That Be were to be so dead set against straddling, they need to come up with a way to not have one bad round screw a person, and the only way I can see of doing that is Classic Concentration-style. Losing a round counts as a strike, three and you're out. Now I recognize that with three rounds a day, this will lead to many short of the best champions not lasting very long, on average, but I think this mitigates the effect of a bad celebrity because you'll still play against them every other match.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211957\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 08:37 PM\']
I don't like the idea of someone winning $10K and not being declared champion.[/quote]
Huh what? One has nothing to do with the other.
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I meant Jay's second hypothetical. Mary won more in the Winners' Circle in the two-out-of-three match, but since John won two games, he's the champion. That seems off to me.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'211850\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 12:11 PM\']
Am I the only who didn't like Donny-Mid simply because of its judging policy ("why you swim in a lake" not acceptable for "why you jump in a lake", as I'm pretty sure it would have been acceptable on the Clark/Cullen/Davidson versions)?
[/quote]
I tried to live with the change from 7 in 30 to 6 in 20 on the front game, but it was the judging on the show that got it banned from my DVR record list.
There were way too many times when I'd hear a clue, look at the word/subject and cringe like hearing fingernails on a chalkboard when I didn't hear the "illegal clue" sounder.
If this show comes back, they better bring the damn cuckoo with them and someone that will flaunt that bird every time it's needed.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'211959\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 08:43 PM\']
I meant Jay's second hypothetical. Mary won more in the Winners' Circle in the two-out-of-three match, but since John won two games, he's the champion. That seems off to me.[/quote]
Okay, well, I don't have a problem with it, since the front game is where champions are determined and the Winner's Circle is the bonus round. Just like on every other game show in the world.
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[quote name=\'Jumpondees\' post=\'211961\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 11:50 PM\']
If this show comes back, they better bring the damn cuckoo with them and someone that will flaunt that bird every time it's needed.
[/quote]
Honestly, I'd rather hear a 2000s version of "Tuning Up" more than anything, at least something with a distinct melody that has that one familiar bridge that both theme songs used (da-da-da-DA-da-da-da-da*)...
But more than anything, good writing and consistent judging will work for me...use any 80s episode for reference. That and any Perry-hosted $ale belong as textbook examples of how to do a game show damn near flawlessly. There's a reason the 80s Pyramid won Emmys.
/Sigh
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Here is a blurb from "Spots N Dots," a daily email newsletter for those involved in TV sales...I get this at work each day.
NETWORK NEWS
It’s now official—CBS is canceling Guiding Light in
September—after 57 years on the network. CBS will not
return the time to affiliates, but is expected to replace the
soap with a talk or game show; a remake of $25,000
Pyramid is being prominently mentioned......
No sources or anything are given, but I thought it was interesting wording from these folks.
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I wonder...if a pilot is commissioned and CBS doesn't pick it up, could Davies and co. shop it for syndication, or is it too late for a syndie pickup?
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If Pyramid does indeed come back, my mom & I are hoping that Donny Osmond gets to host this. I doubt it, though.
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One more thought on the best-of-three approach: What if the winner (based on total WC winnings) from rounds 1 and 2, switching celebrity partners between rounds, faced off against the previous day's champion in round 3? There's still the "dud celebrity" problem, but at least we know each of the contestants at that point has won something before being stuck with said dud. Make rounds 1 and 2 worth $5K or $10K each, regardless of whether the same contestant participates in both; then make round 3 worth whatever your announced top prize is. Either give the champion the privilege of selecting his round 3 celeb or make it a coin flip.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'211986\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 09:26 AM\']
If Pyramid does indeed come back, my mom & I are hoping that Donny Osmond gets to host this.
[/quote]
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211970\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 02:30 AM\']
But more than anything, good writing and consistent judging will work for me...use any 80s episode for reference. That and any Perry-hosted $ale belong as textbook examples of how to do a game show damn near flawlessly. There's a reason the 80s Pyramid won Emmys.
[/quote]
Aaahhhhhh Yes, Perry-hosted $ale, *sings*
"Memories...."
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'212010\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 12:12 PM\']
One more thought on the best-of-three approach: What if the winner (based on total WC winnings) from rounds 1 and 2, switching celebrity partners between rounds, faced off against the previous day's champion in round 3? There's still the "dud celebrity" problem, but at least we know each of the contestants at that point has won something before being stuck with said dud. Make rounds 1 and 2 worth $5K or $10K each, regardless of whether the same contestant participates in both; then make round 3 worth whatever your announced top prize is. Either give the champion the privilege of selecting his round 3 celeb or make it a coin flip.
[/quote]
Now you're up to the format I had for the $1M Pyramid.
Game 1: two civilian pairs (To avoid the dud-partner problem, you can lose one Game 1 and still come back the next day.)
Game 2: Winning pair from Game 1 splits up and has celebrity partners. (As with your idea, at least you win a game before you're stuck with a dud celeb.)
Finals (G3): Winner of Game 2 switches celebs to face previous day's winner.
For Monday, we could use either of your ideas, or stipulate that Friday's winner automatically plays with the male/female celebrity.
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Maybe we're overcomplicating it. My new proposal would be to play one front game and one end game per half hour. Players switch celebs at the half. What time remains would be used for plugs, chit-chat, mill-arounds, post-mortems, etc. Top money winner would return the next day.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212091\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 01:47 AM\']Maybe we're overcomplicating it. My new proposal would be to play one front game and one end game per half hour. Players switch celebs at the half. What time remains would be used for plugs, chit-chat, mill-arounds, post-mortems, etc. Top money winner would return the next day.[/quote]Hey, if we're going to do that, why not make both the front game and the end game contain ten categories? Make the Winner's Circle 90 seconds or two minutes. That way, we still have a lot of gameplay in and we're not stretching most shows.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212091\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 12:47 AM\']
Maybe we're overcomplicating it. My new proposal would be to play one front game and one end game per half hour. Players switch celebs at the half. What time remains would be used for plugs, chit-chat, mill-arounds, post-mortems, etc. Top money winner would return the next day.
[/quote]
Honestly, that sounds like something they'd do. Password kinda did the same thing, they took a game that could've taken ten minutes and really streched it. Using your idea, they could play two full front games, and two Winner's Circles both for $10,000. Then have the top winner play a final Winner's Circle for $25,000. If there's a tie, I guess you could have some sorta quick tiebreaker. Maybe where the host reads some clues and first to answer gets to play, or you could have them play together in the WC and split whatever's won.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212092\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 01:01 AM\']
Hey, if we're going to do that, why not make both the front game and the end game contain ten categories? Make the Winner's Circle 90 seconds or two minutes. That way, we still have a lot of gameplay in and we're not stretching most shows.
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I like this idea. Mainly because I love the Winners' Circle and never liked the front game.
Maybe there are two or three conventional trips in an episode, then the top winner plays a Big Pyramid in the finale.
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Two thoughts:
Host idea: Pat Kiernan? He's worked with Davies before, and I think he has both the wit and the smarts (why didn't you say a doughnut!?) to handle the format.
If they went $25,000 as the top prize, it could always open up a $100,000 once-weekly primetime slot filler, like the TPIR MDSs are/were.
(Personal preference...keep the six in the Winner's Circle.)
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Ooh ooh ... I just had an idea for a quickie tie-breaker to be added to any format that needs it. Civilian players are shown a Winner's Circle-type category, which they will try to convey to the celeb with whom they won their game. Starting at no more than five, they bid on how few clues they need, à la NTT. If the person with the low bid is successful, he wins; if not, he loses.
\I like anything that results in players giving the clues more often.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'212115\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 09:17 AM\']
Ooh ooh ... I just had an idea for a quickie tie-breaker to be added to any format that needs it. Civilian players are shown a Winner's Circle-type category, which they will try to convey to the celeb with whom they won their game. Starting at no more than five, they bid on how few clues they need, à la NTT. If the person with the low bid is successful, he wins; if not, he loses.[/quote]
I completely fail to see what's wrong with Words That Begin With The Letter Whatever.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212119\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 02:00 PM\']I completely fail to see what's wrong with Words That Begin With The Letter Whatever.[/quote]
One small gripe I had about "Words Which Start With _" had to do with the number of words which started with that letter. For example, if I had a choice of words which start with S or start with V, I'd take V every time because there are less words which start with V. The way I see it, the smaller the pool of words which start with a specific letter, the more likely I feel I'd get 7/7 and in a better time than with a more common starting letter. If both starting letters were relatively common, then this would be a non-issue.
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I thought that by the mid-80s the writers generall picked letters of about the same frequency for the tiebreaker.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'212120\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 11:20 AM\']
One small gripe I had about "Words Which Start With _" had to do with the number of words which started with that letter. For example, if I had a choice of words which start with S or start with V, I'd take V every time because there are less words which start with V.[/quote]
True, but I think this is an absolutely negligible advantage in the grand scheme of things. (Also, more often than not, I think they tried to pair up letters with similar rarity; I'd be surprised if you ever saw S versus V as in your example.)
If anything, I would switch it up such that the team that caused the tie *didn't* get to select, since they're the ones that got everyone into this pickle in the first place by failing to win. :) But honestly I don't think it effected the outcome of the game much, if at all. Certainly not enough to scuttle it in favor of a slower, tedious, less exciting Bid-A-Note clone.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'212120\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 01:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212119\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 02:00 PM\']I completely fail to see what's wrong with Words That Begin With The Letter Whatever.[/quote]
One small gripe I had about "Words Which Start With _" had to do with the number of words which started with that letter. For example, if I had a choice of words which start with S or start with V, I'd take V every time because there are less words which start with V. The way I see it, the smaller the pool of words which start with a specific letter, the more likely I feel I'd get 7/7 and in a better time than with a more common starting letter. If both starting letters were relatively common, then this would be a non-issue.
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I've never understood this argument. The difficulty lies in communicating the word, not in how many potential answers there are. The fact that there are fewer words beginning with V doesn't help you much unless your partner has no idea how to communicate "verisimilitude" and you start shouting every word you can think of that starts with the letter V. (And even then, I doubt anyone would be able to list off every word in their vocabulary beginning with a given letter, even an uncommon one, within 30 seconds.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212119\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 01:00 PM\']I completely fail to see what's wrong with Words That Begin With The Letter Whatever.
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I mainly was thinking of applying it to Winner's Circle ties. There are three reasons I think my idea is better in that situation:
1. It's faster, which is especially important if one of the main games already ended in a tie.
2. It makes more sense to break a WC tie with WC material, just as they break a main-game tie with main-game material.
3. It avoids the decision of which contestant is partnered with the celeb who already lost both games.
ETA Regarding the choice of letters in the Begins With tie-breaker, I decided that if I ever had the choice, I'd do these things:
Choose a vowel over a consonant, because it's almost like they've given you a syllable.
Don't choose a consonant that's frequently silent (like "h" or "k") over one that isn't.
Choose a consonant that can only make one sound at the beginning of a word. (Words that start with "R" always start with the /r/ sound, but words that start with "C" could start with the /k/ sound, the /s/ sound or the /ch/ sound.)
Choose the less common initial over the more common.
But I hope they rendered these decisions moot by having the overall set of words be about equally difficult.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'212133\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 12:43 PM\']
1. It's faster, which is especially important if one of the main games already ended in a tie.[/quote]
Explaining how this thing works, and then going back and forth and establishing the bid is faster, never mind the actual execution? Huh-uh.
2. It makes more sense to break a WC tie with WC material, just as they break a main-game tie with main-game material.
Don't disagree here, but this is still slow, tedious, and anticlimactic.
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If the person with the low bid is successful, he wins; if not, he loses.
Giving a distinct advantage to the person who goes second (you didn't say how it is determined who goes first). If the player going first botches it, the other player wins for basically sitting on his laurels.
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Another interesting article on GL and the future of its slot. (http://\"http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/04/adalian_column_cbs_could_benef.php\")
The following quote snippet is from the second "section" of the article, after the breakpoint.
As it stands, I’m encouraged by the first real contender to emerge: a Michael Davies-produced revival of the “Pyramid” format. The Sony-based Mr. Davies is a game show junkie with strong respect for the genre; left to his own devices, I’m pretty sure he can find a way to make the show feel relevant—or at least fun— for 2009 audiences.
I hope CBS considers limiting “Pyramid” to a half-hour, thus allowing the show to be paired with another game. “The Joker’s Wild,” also owned by Sony, would be a great candidate; it’s got a tinge of “Deal or No Deal”-style randomness that could work well again.
“Sale of the Century” is another format prime for a comeback, particularly with its strong product-placement possibilities.
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“Sale of the Century” is another format prime for a comeback, particularly with its strong product-placement possibilities.
Uh, we already tried that one...didn't work out so well.
Or does anyone think Dismantle wouldn't fuck it up again?
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[First, note to the Mods: Can the title be changed to current tense, like "is cancelling"?]
OK, here's my two cents on Pyramid. Like a lot of you, Pyramid is one of my favorite shows. I'm pleased as anything that the two versions are back (moreso with $25,000 because there's no tournament).
The $20,000 and the 80's $25,000 are my two favorite versions of the show. The $20K for two reasons: visual (I love the solari boards for the score and timer), and second, the tiebreaker aspect. It gets very exciting when a game ends with a high score such as 43-42, with suspense building with each round. That's why the $25K is a close second - the tiebreaker is no big deal. Wipe the score clean Get 7 in 30 seconds, can your opponent do it in the same time? It cut down on straddling, but really made tiebreakers uneventful, IMHO.
As far as WC ties - I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:23 PM\']I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.[/quote]Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 02:23 PM\']
That's why the $25K is a close second - the tiebreaker is no big deal. Wipe the score clean Get 7 in 30 seconds, can your opponent do it in the same time? It cut down on straddling, but really made tiebreakers uneventful, IMHO.[/quote]
I so do not agree with this. Team A posts a really good time, Team B, against all odds, beats it, Dick sells it like Ric Flair getting kicked in the head. That's great television.
Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
I'm quite sure that's happened to Jeopardy! contestants too. Life sucks sometimes. That's the risk you take. That's why the contestant coordinators line up the people they really want to be on earlier in the week.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212147\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:23 PM\']I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.[/quote]Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
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Mrs. Muckenfuss would be highly pissed at me because I didn't take that into consideration when I wrote the rule book for the show. Very good point.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212162\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 04:43 PM\']
Mrs. Muckenfuss would be highly pissed at me because I didn't take that into consideration when I wrote the rule book for the show. Very good point.[/quote]
The *other* way to get around that is to book your contestants who have come from out of town for earlier in the week, and then save a few locals (and I'm sure there is no shortage of locals) for the positions where if they get bumped it's not the end of the world.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212161\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 06:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 02:23 PM\']
That's why the $25K is a close second - the tiebreaker is no big deal. Wipe the score clean Get 7 in 30 seconds, can your opponent do it in the same time? It cut down on straddling, but really made tiebreakers uneventful, IMHO.[/quote]
I so do not agree with this. Team A posts a really good time, Team B, against all odds, beats it, Dick sells it like Ric Flair getting kicked in the head. That's great television.
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Now THAT, folks, is an analogy.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'212165\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 07:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212162\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 04:43 PM\']
Mrs. Muckenfuss would be highly pissed at me because I didn't take that into consideration when I wrote the rule book for the show. Very good point.[/quote]
The *other* way to get around that is to book your contestants who have come from out of town for earlier in the week, and then save a few locals (and I'm sure there is no shortage of locals) for the positions where if they get bumped it's not the end of the world.
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ISTR that they do this on J!
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212147\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 03:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:23 PM\']I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.[/quote]Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
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I guess in 2 words - oh well. That is the chance you take with it. Technically, if that was going to be a problems, couldn't lil Mrs. Muckenfuss choose not to win? This would hold true for a returning champion as well then.
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'212175\' date=\'Apr 5 2009, 01:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212147\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 03:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:23 PM\']I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.[/quote]Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
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I guess in 2 words - oh well. That is the chance you take with it. Technically, if that was going to be a problems, couldn't lil Mrs. Muckenfuss choose not to win? This would hold true for a returning champion as well then.
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'212175\' date=\'Apr 5 2009, 01:05 AM\']This would hold true for a returning champion as well then.[/quote]Except most shows that had a distant returning champion (including modern-day Jeopardy!, as evidence by Braniac) pay for a return visit. I never said that they couldn't do this for those who don't get to play (putting Angelians last is a really good idea to combat this problem), but they certainly wouldn't be expected to, nor would they be likely to.
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When I tried out for J! in Chicago it was specifically stated that (a) if you were called to appear, travel was on your dime but (b) if you got on the show, won and had to appear on another taping date, you flew back on their dime.
And What's My Line? did roughly the same thing on its show; the contestants from London, Seattle and Kansas were the first two contestants before the Mystery Guest; if everything ran short and they had time for a last-segment contestant, it was someone from Jersey or Long Island.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'211892\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'211888\' date=\'Apr 2 2009, 03:41 PM\']
I don't quite know the logistics of programming, but I have a feeling that a lot of CBS affiliates still do well with TPiR as a lead-in. I'd like to think they'd raise all kinds of hell if CBS told them to move Price, which still holds it own at 11/10c. [/quote]
In addition: try convincing the general demographic of people TPIR seems to get nowadays* that their show now airs at 3. That just doesn't look like a pretty sight.
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Hmmm...The Early Bird Senior Special at Golden Corral or TPIR???
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[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'212141\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 04:22 PM\']
“Sale of the Century” is another format prime for a comeback, particularly with its strong product-placement possibilities.
Uh, we already tried that one...didn't work out so well.
Or does anyone think Dismantle wouldn't fuck it up again?
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Depends. How much control does a network get over the content of its shows? (e.g. Who has more control over TPiR- Fremantle or CBS?)
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How much control does a network get over the content of its shows? (e.g. Who has more control over TPiR- Fremantle or CBS?)
Ultimately CBS is the buyer so they are in a position to exert influence over a packager -- or cancel the show.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212147\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 02:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'212142\' date=\'Apr 4 2009, 05:23 PM\']I never saw any problem with bringing the same two players back the next day. Quite a fair deal.[/quote]Except for Mrs. Muckenfuss from Podunk, MO, who gathered up her last $500 to spend on airfare and hotel to play on the fifth game on the five day taping of Pyramid who, thanks to a tie, has been bumped for the next taping, set to commence in a week.
[/quote]Whereas if she wins the game on the day, it wouldn't be a problem to return a week later for her first day as returning champion?
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'212415\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:05 PM\']Whereas if she wins the game on the day, it wouldn't be a problem to return a week later for her first day as returning champion?[/quote]
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'212177\' date=\'Apr 5 2009, 01:09 AM\']Except most shows that had a distant returning champion (including modern-day Jeopardy!, as evidenced by Braniac) pay for a return visit. I never said that they couldn't do this for those who don't get to play (putting Angelians last is a really good idea to combat this problem), but they certainly wouldn't be expected to, nor would they be likely to.[/quote]
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Jack Barry had a good solution. He would ask each player if they could come back for the next show. I don't recall seeing anyone say no.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212418\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:11 PM\']
Jack Barry had a good solution. He would ask each player if they could come back for the next show. I don't recall seeing anyone say no.
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But wasn't he only doing that jokingly/facetiously? At least, that's what I heard.
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Believe it's time for a WHOOSH, although considering the source of the joke, I shall make it a whoosh.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'212422\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:22 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212418\' date=\'Apr 7 2009, 10:11 PM\']
Jack Barry had a good solution. He would ask each player if they could come back for the next show. I don't recall seeing anyone say no.
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But wasn't he only doing that jokingly/facetiously? At least, that's what I heard.
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I've heard of at least one player saying no.