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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: PYLW on December 16, 2006, 02:59:29 PM
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...We'll be seeing the Card Sharks game show host tournament and the week of syndicated Family Feud where they played. This sounds interesting. I'd personally like to see this. Any thoughts?
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So where will Leslie Uggams rank? :)
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The best in that ad is the strike on Family Feud and the
look and voice of Bert Parks yelling, "OH NO!!!!"
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One of the reasons I mourn the loss of practically all episodes of "PDQ": There was a week when the "home team" celebrities were Peter Marshall and Tom Kennedy, and the "challenger" team was helmed by Monty Hall. That's right - four game show hosts on the same game show (including Dennis James).
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[quote name=\'MrBuddwing\' post=\'140887\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 01:21 PM\']
One of the reasons I mourn the loss of practically all episodes of "PDQ": There was a week when the "home team" celebrities were Peter Marshall and Tom Kennedy, and the "challenger" team was helmed by Monty Hall. That's right - four game show hosts on the same game show (including Dennis James).[/quote]
There's a great week of Tattletales from 1974 with Bill & Ann Cullen, Allen Ludden and Betty White, and Chuck Woolery and Jo Ann Pflug. Counting Convy, that's five game show hosts on the same game show, although two of them wouldn't become hosts until later. (Woolery hadn't started Wheel yet, much less left it.)
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There's a week of Match Game pictured in the first EOTVGS that has both of those shows beat. The panel is Peter Marshall, Brett Sommers, Dick Martin, Elaine Joyce, Bill Cullen, and Betty White. Counting Gene, that's six emcees.
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There's also a long-lost episode of Cross-Wits from the late '70s that had four game show hosts as panelists. I recall seeing the listings in old TVGuides - I think they were Allen Ludden, Peter Marshall, Art James and Tom Kennedy.
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Here's something I ran across on GSN a few weeks ago (though, unfortunately, not quickly enough to hit "record"). On the Ray Combs Family Feud, Bob Barker, Rod Roddy and three of the models (two were Janice and Holly) took on cast members of The Young and the Restless...one of whom was Doug Davidson.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'140888\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 01:38 PM\']
(Woolery hadn't started Wheel yet, much less left it.)
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He left? When did this happen? You see, all this talk about Bob Barker stepping down and Chuck's resignation fails to make the news. Is Rolf just filling in or does he have the gig? Yoyds!
As for The Cross-Wits, while I don't recall the week described by Ian in an earlier post, I do remember a week of Crosswits from late 1986 where the celebrity guests were Tom Kennedy, Peter Tomarken, Bob Goen and Jim Peck (who told the story about The Big Falldown). Including David Sparks, that's four hosts.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'140938\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 06:37 PM\']
I do remember a week of Crosswits from late 1986 where the celebrity guests were Tom Kennedy, Peter Tomarken, Bob Goen and Jim Peck (who told the story about The Big Falldown). Including David Sparks, that's four hosts.
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I lol'd.
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I think I have it right here. Hollywood Squares Game Show Week back in 2002 had 8 game show emcees:
Bob Eubanks, Jim Lange, Wink Martindale, Chuck Woolery, Charles Nelson Reilly (Sweethearts), Jimmie Walker (Matchmaker), Peter Marshall, & of course Tom Bergeron.
--Jamie
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What about NBC's "Shamrock Sweepstakes" from March of 75? All of NBC's hosts at the time, all on the set of "Celebrity Sweepstakes."! Plus Bill Armstrong announcing.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'140940\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 09:51 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'140938\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 06:37 PM\']I do remember a week of Crosswits from late 1986 where the celebrity guests were Tom Kennedy, Peter Tomarken, Bob Goen and Jim Peck (who told the story about The Big Falldown). Including David Sparks, that's four hosts.
[/quote]I lol'd.[/quote]Don gets a gold star. Not for making Lemon lol, but for creating this new word:
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 06:37 PM\']Yoyds![/quote]
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'140903\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 04:07 PM\']
There's also a long-lost episode of Cross-Wits from the late '70s that had four game show hosts as panelists. I recall seeing the listings in old TVGuides - I think they were Allen Ludden, Peter Marshall, Art James and Tom Kennedy.
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What other shows will be in the marathon?
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[quote name=\'trev17ian\' post=\'141610\' date=\'Dec 28 2006, 10:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'140903\' date=\'Dec 18 2006, 04:07 PM\']
There's also a long-lost episode of Cross-Wits from the late '70s that had four game show hosts as panelists. I recall seeing the listings in old TVGuides - I think they were Allen Ludden, Peter Marshall, Art James and Tom Kennedy.
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What other shows will be in the marathon? [/quote]
Uhh...Cross-Wits won't be in the marathon. Just Family Feud and Card Sharks.
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7?
They put Bill Cullen at SEVEN ?
About the only complaints I have are that, and I thought Regis was too high on the list.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'142440\' date=\'Jan 7 2007, 11:41 PM\']
7?
They put Bill Cullen at SEVEN ?
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Quite frankly, I'm happily surprised he made the list at all.
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GOOD: Seemed like they got all the right names, for the most part. Woulda been nice to see Tom Kennedy, but I guess then we wouldn't have had room for the Lingo-plugging.
Also, nice to see GSN really put forth some effort on the clips. I guess "fair use" entered into a lot of what we saw, but I was still startled to see Liar's Club, Bill & Bob's TPIRs, Bill's Pyramid, and Chuck hosting WOF in those montages. And did I catch a photo of "Malcolm" in Alex Trebek's montage???
BAD: ONLY #7??? Really, my only complaints about the show fall into the same "order of ranking and who's there" complaints that everybody will have.
PUZZLING: Uh, Howie Mandel is the greatest comedian-turned-game show host of all time? Man...Suck on that, Groucho.
Also, Michael Davies, Laura Chambers, Fred Wostbrock, Wink Martindale, Bill Dwyer, Louie Anderson, Travis Schario...One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...Who's rolodex did he get on, and how do I get a spot in there?
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Travis is gainfully employed with CBS. Admittedly, that's one hell of a gain. Of course, there were some other former contestants on there, too.
I'm sure the Internet is about explode about #7, but to be honest it was presented properly. A bevy of clips from crevices I didn't know GSN had, several handfuls of interviews and interviewees (although a couple came from other docs), and a hard-to-counter top choice.
And the reason 50 Greatest Game Shows wasn't like this is.......
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'142444\' date=\'Jan 7 2007, 09:08 PM\'] and a hard-to-counter top choice.[/quote]I hought Bill Cullen was at number seven?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'142440\' date=\'Jan 7 2007, 10:41 PM\']
7?
They put Bill Cullen at SEVEN ?
About the only complaints I have are that, and I thought Regis was too high on the list.
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Not bad, not bad. Great improvement over the 50 game shows countdown (in that this list did not look like it was just pulled out of a hat). Only big complaint is the very popular "Number SEVEN!?!?!?!?!" But hey, it's been well covered that GSN doesn't cater to the game show "historians," so I guess it's only fair.
One thing that struck me as disappointing (unless this was covered in the first 15 minutes) was something I didn't even notice until I caught him doing interview clips halfway through: Where was Wink? I mean, as a kid, I recognized him as a game show host even before Alex Trebek. Who doesn't recognize the name Wink? He's your prototypical game show host. The only reason I could see him being left out of the list was the fact that for a "classic" game show host, he never really did anything to stand out. He wasn't particularly wacky, didn't have an incredibly bold personality, and didn't really host anything that stood the test of time. He was just a professional. And even if he did make it, where would he be put? I could only think about switching out Regis for him but even that would be a little dicey. Sorry, Winker: I guess you're the consummate 11th Man :-(
Oh yeah, and how's this for short memory: Viera "wins" best female game show host about 15 minutes before it was mentioned that Betty FREAKING White was the only woman to win an Emmy for Best Game Show Host and 25 minutes before White became half of the "First Couple of Game Shows." I guess there's something to be said about playing to the contemporary casual audience but come on! Betty White was even a hit at the William Shatner roast. Think, guys!
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Also, nice to see GSN really put forth some effort on the clips. I guess "fair use" entered into a lot of what we saw, but I was still startled to see Liar's Club, Bill & Bob's TPIRs, Bill's Pyramid, and Chuck hosting WOF in those montages
I haven't seen the special yet, but I can attest to the fact that the folks at Asylum tapped the shoulders of game show video collectors to obtain stuff for these specials.
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'142446\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 12:20 AM\']
One thing that struck me as disappointing (unless this was covered in the first 15 minutes) was something I didn't even notice until I caught him doing interview clips halfway through: Where was Wink?[/quote]
He did get mentioned about ten minutes into it. They gave him a special title; I believe it was "Most Versatile".
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Would someone please post a list of the 'winners,' for those of us that don't have GSN?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'142453\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 01:04 AM\']
Would someone please post a list of the 'winners,' for those of us that don't have GSN?
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Gladly. ^^
10. Bob Eubanks
9. Pat Sajak
8. Chuck Woolery
7. Bill Cullen
6. Regis Philbin
5. Richard Dawson
4. Monty Hall
3. Alex Trebek
2. Gene Rayburn
1. Bob Barker
There were other awards, too. Zaniest Host went to Chuck Barris, and Best Reality Show Host went to Jeff Probst.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'142456\' date=\'Jan 7 2007, 10:23 PM\']
10. Bob Eubanks
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Thoughtful of them to put Eubanks 10th. That way, if I were watching, I could immediately turn the channel to something I was more likely to take seriously.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'142452\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 12:00 AM\']
[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'142446\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 12:20 AM\']
One thing that struck me as disappointing (unless this was covered in the first 15 minutes) was something I didn't even notice until I caught him doing interview clips halfway through: Where was Wink?[/quote]
He did get mentioned about ten minutes into it. They gave him a special title; I believe it was "Most Versatile".
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Well I obviously didn't catch the explanation for that, but that sounds like the perfect title for Regis. Give that to him, put Winker in the real list, everybody's happy!
/assuming everybody = me.
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[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'142446\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 12:20 AM\']Oh yeah, and how's this for short memory: Viera "wins" best female game show host about 15 minutes before it was mentioned that Betty FREAKING White was the only woman to win an Emmy for Best Game Show Host and 25 minutes before White became half of the "First Couple of Game Shows." I guess there's something to be said about playing to the contemporary casual audience but come on! Betty White was even a hit at the William Shatner roast. Think, guys![/quote]
Maybe they, I dunno, actually went with the best female game show host there? I don't care how good you are--13 weeks with a crappy format does not qualify anyone for a "best ever host" title.
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I think Trebek said it best when he said (paraphrasing) that "the more popular the show is, the better a host you are perceived to be", which came to fruition on this list, especially with their descriptions of why Regis (old curmudgeon) and Dawson (he kisses the ladies!) were on there, especially over Bill Cullen.
Tyshaun
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I think Trebek said it best when he said (paraphrasing) that "the more popular the show is, the better a host you are perceived to be", which came to fruition on this list, especially with their descriptions of why Regis (old curmudgeon) and Dawson (he kisses the ladies!) were on there, especially over Bill Cullen.
Understood. But Regis only had one mega-popular show, and a couple of other lesser shows. While I liked the job he did on Millionaire, to put him ahead of Bill...that takes any credibility out of this list.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'142456\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 01:23 AM\']
10. Bob Eubanks
9. Pat Sajak
8. Chuck Woolery
7. Bill Cullen
6. Regis Philbin
5. Richard Dawson
4. Monty Hall
3. Alex Trebek
2. Gene Rayburn
1. Bob Barker
There were other awards, too. Zaniest Host went to Chuck Barris, and Best Reality Show Host went to Jeff Probst.
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I'm surprised about this. I agree with the ordering from 1-5...but I'd bump them all down one slot for Bill at #1. And boot Eubanks.
(One direct question...Barker is the #1 host of a #3/#4 rated show? Gene Rayburn (#2) is host of the #1 show? Something's not adding up.)
And I would have given Phil Keogan (sp) from Amazing Race the nod for best Reality show host...but his camera time is limited...
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While Bill is the best of all time, he did so many shows that he is not best associated with any one show in particular. With the possible exception of Chuck W., all of the others on the list have a "signature show" that the average joe on the street would match with the host.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'142476\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 10:18 AM\']
While Bill is the best of all time, he did so many shows that he is not best associated with any one show in particular. With the possible exception of Chuck W., all of the others on the list have a "signature show" that the average joe on the street would match with the host.[/quote]
At one point, Cullen was as associated with TPIR as Barker is today, but since the average Joe on the street is less than fifty years old, he's not going to remember that, so you're absolutely right. That's why I haven't joined in the wailing about Bill's placement in this thing. Taken as a group, the ten they chose were a decent representation of ten great hosts. At that level, ranking is subjective. And given that this was virtually a list of still-living hosts, picking a guy who's been gone for sixteen years is all the more impressive.
Regis is an odd but understandable choice, though leaving him out and including Dick Clark or Wink Martindale would have made more sense. Tom Kennedy and Jim Perry are more appreciated by us fans than Dawson or Sajak, but they aren't household names. Compared to GSN's 50 Top Shows countdown, this was just fine, thank you.
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Considering that the DVR was busy recording the lineup of the National Broadcasting Company last night (and I'd forgotten about this), are there going to be repeats?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'142482\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 01:51 PM\']
Taken as a group, the ten they chose were a decent representation of ten great hosts. At that level, ranking is subjective. And given that this was virtually a list of still-living hosts, picking a guy who's been gone for sixteen years is all the more impressive.
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Then again I have to wonder how I would act if someone did a special about the 10 greatest TV newsmen of all time, and Mike Wallace came in first while Edward R. Murrow finished seventh. I don't know if I'd wail but I'm sure I'd bitch and moan a little. (Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, George Clooney did a film about Murrow but it's not like it was "Star Wars" or anything.)
I'm thinking the category "Best Comedian Turned Game Show Host" was invented so the special could acknowlege Howie and Deal or No Deal somehow, and perhaps by someone whose eyes would glaze over if you said the name "Groucho" to him/her.
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[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'142458\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 01:36 AM\']/assuming everybody = me.[/quote]
You're obviously assuming wrong, because if you're everybody, you're me. And you can't be me because I'm me, and if I'm not me, then who am I?
/I am the walrus
//koo koo gajoob
///don't bother, Lemon; I'll save you the trouble:
////wow.
/////safety warning: don't post if you feel dizzy
//////[keels over from the last of the eggnog]
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'142533\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 06:52 PM\']
///don't bother, Lemon; I'll save you the trouble:
////wow.
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Truer words never spoken.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'142533\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 09:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'The Great EZE\' post=\'142458\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 01:36 AM\']/assuming everybody = me.[/quote]
You're obviously assuming wrong, because if you're everybody, you're me. And you can't be me because I'm me, and if I'm not me, then who am I?
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Well, if you're not you, then obviously you're either me or Steve Gavazzi. Back in ATGS, two people accused everyone of being me, and one of those also accused everyone of being Steve. :-)
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As for The Cross-Wits, while I don't recall the week described by Ian in an earlier post, I do remember a week of Crosswits from late 1986 where the celebrity guests were Tom Kennedy, Peter Tomarken, Bob Goen and Jim Peck (who told the story about The Big Falldown). Including David Sparks, that's four hosts.
I'll echo Lemon's sentiments...Line of the Week right there. :-) And yeah, if you've ever seen the ep from this wk that's on the trading circuit, you can see just how bad a host Sparks really was...he was @ the mercy of these GS veterans, particularly Tomarken... almost comical to watch. :-D
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I'll keep this in bullet form, cuz a lot of you have said the same things:
> Bill #7? No way. I could not possibly see him any lower than 5. I'm OK with Monty, Bob and Gene put above him, and Allen if they had decided to put him up there. It's a really close call, but those 5 are the best in some combination. Don't ask me who's where, I couldn't possibly do it now.
> Howie? Was fine with it until you all said Groucho. Thanks for the reality check.
> Speaking of reality, Phil's got 4 Emmys running, but I guess I can live with Jeff getting that one only because he holds more of an on-screen involvement in his game.
> Meredith, can't say I blame them, but only because she doesn't have much competition, and hers is the one that's run the longest. Doesn't necessarily mean she's the best on everyone's list, but I understand it.
Bottom line: 10 was impossible. I can think of at least 7 hosts who got snubbed in some fashion. You need at least 20 to be fair. Plus, I know I sound like someone else, but it's true that there has to be a criteria that we're aware of. Get the people who were there to make this list. The people who just plain work at GSN don't have to knowledge of the greats by themselves, especially the oldies. And that's assuming they made the list alone.
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[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'142545\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 11:48 PM\']Bottom line: 10 was impossible. I can think of at least 7 hosts who got snubbed in some fashion. You need at least 20 to be fair.
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Fair? Since when is subjectivity fair?
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While I have my issues with the placement, I agree that the presentation was really good.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'142549\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 12:45 AM\']
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'142545\' date=\'Jan 8 2007, 11:48 PM\']Bottom line: 10 was impossible. I can think of at least 7 hosts who got snubbed in some fashion. You need at least 20 to be fair.
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Fair? Since when is subjectivity fair?
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You're right, it's obviously not. But like I was saying, the idea of taking such a highly qualified and talented field and narrowing it down to just 10...
Disappointments aside, I'm hoping the choices weren't as easy for them as a couple of them sounded.
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[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'142545\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 12:48 AM\']
> Meredith, can't say I blame them, but only because she doesn't have much competition, and hers is the one that's run the longest. [/quote]
Isn't she the longest running solo female game show host period, at least in the US? That alone would deserve a mention.
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Isn't she the longest running solo female game show host period, at least in the US? That alone would deserve a mention.
At five years and counting...yes.
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[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'142563\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 04:10 AM\']
Disappointments aside, I'm hoping the choices weren't as easy for them as a couple of them sounded.
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I will point out, again, that the chances are about 95% that this list was wholly compiled over an hour's time and a couple of greasy pizzas.
The sooner you understand and accept this, the easier it will be to take these lists with the appropriate salt.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'142576\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 08:18 AM\']I will point out, again, that the chances are about 95% that this list was wholly compiled over an hour's time and a couple of greasy pizzas.
The sooner you understand and accept this, the easier it will be to take these lists with the appropriate salt.[/quote]If we assume that some people actually had some sort of powwow about this, and didn't just pull bingo balls to determine the "winners" instead...
The thing is, GSN's goal isn't to cater to game show geeks. Their mandate isn't to consider every angle and to evaluate each host's ability, popularity and quantify that to two decimal places. Their goal is to pick names that the casual viewer will recognize. That said, everyone on that list is instantly memorable to someone who is 1) young and 2) not a game show geek--with the sad exception of Bill Cullen, who has not had a hosting role since 1986. Each of the hosts on that list meets those criteria.
A better way to look at this would be to imagine this in the context of a Family Feud question. "We asked 100 shmoes to name a game show host." All ten of those names would make sense on that survey.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'142578\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 10:45 AM\']
The thing is, GSN's goal isn't to cater to game show geeks. Their mandate isn't to consider every angle and to evaluate each host's ability, popularity and quantify that to two decimal places. Their goal is to pick names that the casual viewer will recognize. That said, everyone on that list is instantly memorable to someone who is 1) young and 2) not a game show geek--with the sad exception of Bill Cullen, who has not had a hosting role since 1986. Each of the hosts on that list meets those criteria.
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Point taken, but I'm not sure how Rayburn meets that criteria along with Cullen.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'142579\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 08:51 AM\']
Point taken, but I'm not sure how Rayburn meets that criteria along with Cullen.[/quote]Gene has had far more GSN exposure than Bill.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'142581\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 10:54 AM\']
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'142579\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 08:51 AM\']
Point taken, but I'm not sure how Rayburn meets that criteria along with Cullen.[/quote]Gene has had far more GSN exposure than Bill.
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Excellent point. GSN's influence never even occurred to me.
That's -5 points for me.
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The most telling comment in the special was that of Alex Trebek, when he said words to the effect of, "If you are associated with a long-running show, then you are perceived as being a great host."
That would explain a lot of the choices.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'142578\' date=\'Jan 9 2007, 12:45 PM\']
Their goal is to pick names that the casual viewer will recognize.
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You mean the casual GSN viewer, not just any casual viewer. Nearly all of their choices were tied to something carried on GSN. They weren't about to play up someone like Peter Marshall, whose show was dropped years ago and GSN wouldn't bring it back if you held them at gunpoint. I'm not convinced that makes him less of a host.
I've never bought the "if you don't remember him/it, he/it was no good" mentality and I haven't been converted. TV Guide and TV Land don't pander to that mentality in their various countdowns, sometimes even VH-1 doesn't either.
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There's also a long-lost episode of Cross-Wits from the late '70s that had four game show hosts as panelists. I recall seeing the listings in old TVGuides - I think they were Allen Ludden, Peter Marshall, Art James and Tom Kennedy.
Would love to see that...hell, I'd love to just see another ep of the original C-W on the trading circuit, period!
Incidentally, the Wikipedia page for said series mentions a wk of the 70s version w/Allen Ludden, Betty White, and Bill & Ann Cullen...first 3 I could see, but unless it was a show like Tattletales, a non-celeb wife?? Thought in order to book a celeb's spouse, s/he had to be a celeb him/herself (Stiller/Meara, Duke/Astin, Joyce/Van, etc.)...but then, this same info appears on the "Crosswits Fan Page" run by liar/deadbeat trader Danny Voisine, so I'm highly skeptical. Anyone care to confirm/deny?
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'142794\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 09:14 PM\']
Would love to see that...hell, I'd love to just see another ep of the original C-W on the trading circuit, period!
Incidentally, the Wikipedia page for said series mentions a wk of the 70s version w/Allen Ludden, Betty White, and Bill & Ann Cullen...first 3 I could see, but unless it was a show like Tattletales, a non-celeb wife?? Thought in order to book a celeb's spouse, s/he had to be a celeb him/herself (Stiller/Meara, Duke/Astin, Joyce/Van, etc.)...but then, this same info appears on the "Crosswits Fan Page" run by liar/deadbeat trader Danny Voisine, so I'm highly skeptical. Anyone care to confirm/deny?
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Based on a very quick check of NewspaperArchive.com, I couldn't find it. I found these three with Allen Ludden:
1/77 (in Syracuse, NY): Alice Ghostley, Alan Sues, JaNet DuBois, Allen Ludden
4/77 (in Syracuse, NY): Jo Anne Worley, Allen Ludden, Robert Clary, Abby Dalton
3/81 (in Syracuse, NY): Chuck Woolery, Allen Ludden, Dennis James, Geoff Edwards
Matt O. has Bill Cullen on 8 times on Cross-Wits, none with Cullen.
However, if anybody has it, I would like to see the 10/23/76 episode of Dinah! with the following guests:
Vincent Price
Susan Clark
Allen Ludden
Don Cornelius
The Whispers
A Mary McFadden Fashion Show
Jay Leno
Now there's 90 minutes of quality television.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'142794\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 09:14 PM\']but then, this same info appears on the "Crosswits Fan Page" run by liar/deadbeat trader Danny Voisine, so I'm highly skeptical. Anyone care to confirm/deny?[/quote]
Since that ridiculous page is identified under External Links (and its text is still sitting out there in cyberspace), I think it's safe to say that was the source of the incorrect information.
For those new to our party (or those who've forgotten), Danny was a real piece of work. He pretended to have a bunch of Cross-Wits episodes, even going so far as to create elaborate (and fictional) guest lists and guides, in order to get collectors to send him rare stuff in hopes of trades that, naturally, never materialized. Couldn't immediately turn up our conversations about him, but they were fun.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'142814\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 07:55 PM\']Couldn't immediately turn up our conversations about him, but they were fun.[/quote]Colonoscopy fun? Watching another guy getting hit in the nuts on America's Funniest Videos fun? I just can't fathom how watching a guy squirm while his lies are under the microscope is anything close to fun, but I'm a killjoy, I guess. Or I came to ATGS far too late.
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With all due respect to anybody who tried to trade with him, some of his episode "descriptions" apparently took a moment of haphazard ATGS cross referencing and EOTVGS page flipping to compile. There's a picture in one of the Encycs. of Tom Kennedy and a cake on "Split Second," so he reported he had an episode where the crew presented him with a cake. He'd also do stuff like saying he had the "$10,000 fish bowl episode" of "High Rollers," yet it was listed separately from the finale. John Ricci put up clips from the last Wink "High Rollers" rehearsal in which Dean Goss introduced the show as "Hair Rollers" - and Danny claimed to have the quote "hair rollers ep." on tape.
-Jason
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He also had audio clips of intros to certain eps that he tried to use as proof of his legitimacy (The Big Showdown premiere, 2 eps of Celebrity Sweepstakes)...too bad these same audio clips were on TVParty.com, where he more than likely got them. Not to mention some of the 70s CW eps listed had panels that appeared to be cribbed from other celeb games of the era (I recall one listing for an ep where 3 of the celebs were Bob Barker, Jack Narz, and Richard Dawson...who did a week of Tattletales together in 76...coincidence??)
And when those who attempted to trade w/him started complaining, he invented two fictitious traders ("Phil Newport" and "Alice Foster") to "defend" him...funny how none of us had even heard of them before, let alone traded w/them...
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I come home every night, make something in the microwave, veg out on the couch in front of the TV and just go to bed. So I've never really pretended to have a life. But then again, I have two great teenage children who love me, I get with women from time to time, I have a job where I could be staring a three-alarm fire in the face one day and shaking hands with Dale Earnhardt Jr. the next. Meanwhile, some goofball goes around making up guestlists from a 30 year old game show and inventing friends to back him up. I'm starting to think I might actually have a life.
Phil Newport? Is he on the same bowling team as Tom Winston, Tim Marlboro and Don Doral?
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'143252\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 04:20 PM\']
Phil Newport? Is he on the same bowling team as Tom Winston, Tim Marlboro and Don Doral?
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I hear they smoke the competition. They call themselves "High Rollers".
/Bad. I know.
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Would it be wrong if I were to ask if his "tape list" were on the internet anywhere? I'd love to see what he made up.
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Here you go. (http://\"http://web.archive.org/web/20040303075010/www.geocities.com/pwadanny/gscol.txt\") You can see some of what I was talking about a few posts ago. Chuck mentioned at the end of Tom Kennedy's guest spot on "Wheel" (commonly circulated among traders) that next week was Armed Forces week. So he claims to have an episode of that. He also lays claim to several more episodes of "Jackpot" with Geoff Edwards and the entire first hour-long week of TPIR, neither of which (among many other of his "gems") ever surfaced.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'143263\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 05:10 PM\']
Here you go. (http://\"http://web.archive.org/web/20040303075010/www.geocities.com/pwadanny/gscol.txt\") You can see some of what I was talking about a few posts ago. Chuck mentioned at the end of Tom Kennedy's guest spot on "Wheel" (commonly circulated among traders) that next week was Armed Forces week. So he claims to have an episode of that. He also lays claim to several more episodes of "Jackpot" with Geoff Edwards and the entire first hour-long week of TPIR, neither of which (among many other of his "gems") ever surfaced.
-Jason
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Ha..what a trip down memory lane...
I remember seeing that list for the first time...my jaw had dropped! I immediately sent him off an email looking to trade, and promptly...never heard from him. C'est La Vie.
Like Dixon said....what a way to spend a lot of wasted time, by putting that together!
Does Danny know Adam Kleist by chance? That would be a match made in heaven!
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Does Danny know Adam Kleist by chance? That would be a match made in heaven!
Yeah, judging by one of the eps listed, he could be Adam's Celebrity Bowling buddy. :-D
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chcukie Baby")
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'143280\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 07:20 PM\']
Does Danny know Adam Kleist by chance? That would be a match made in heaven!
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In fairness, for the most part Kleist just doesn't pay attention or use common sense; he primarily resorts to dishonesty when he realizes that he's screwed up and doesn't want to admit to it. It's clear that dishonesty was Danny's intent from the start.
I actually think that Bo Bielefeldt would be a better match for Danny. I imagine that Phil Newport and Alice Foster would get along great with Davida Baron, Patrick Martin, Spike McLeland, Christian Osbourne, and Scott J. Theis. ;-)
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'143280\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 08:20 PM\']
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'143263\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 05:10 PM\']
Here you go. (http://\"http://web.archive.org/web/20040303075010/www.geocities.com/pwadanny/gscol.txt\") You can see some of what I was talking about a few posts ago. Chuck mentioned at the end of Tom Kennedy's guest spot on "Wheel" (commonly circulated among traders) that next week was Armed Forces week. So he claims to have an episode of that. He also lays claim to several more episodes of "Jackpot" with Geoff Edwards and the entire first hour-long week of TPIR, neither of which (among many other of his "gems") ever surfaced.
-Jason
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Ha..what a trip down memory lane...
I remember seeing that list for the first time...my jaw had dropped! I immediately sent him off an email looking to trade, and promptly...never heard from him. C'est La Vie.
Like Dixon said....what a way to spend a lot of wasted time, by putting that together!
Does Danny know Adam Kleist by chance? That would be a match made in heaven!
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I'm eager to trade for that first hour episode of 'Wheel' LOL.
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I don't believe GSN ever even RERAN The Better Sex's finale, so that should've been the first warning signal right there...
And just wow...what a jerk. Did he rip off anyone really badly? Better yet, did he really think he was going to get away with it?
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I don't believe GSN ever even RERAN The Better Sex's finale, so that should've been the first warning signal right there...
They've never reran the finale. However, a studio master copy exists in the trade curcuit, so you'd figure that GSN should have it, but they likely would have aired it by now if they did.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'143350\' date=\'Jan 15 2007, 12:42 PM\']
I don't believe GSN ever even RERAN The Better Sex's finale, so that should've been the first warning signal right there...
They've never reran the finale. However, a studio master copy exists in the trade curcuit, so you'd figure that GSN should have it, but they likely would have aired it by now if they did. [/quote]
Like the situatiuon with the Showoffs episode floating around?
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'143334\' date=\'Jan 15 2007, 09:44 AM\']
I don't believe GSN ever even RERAN The Better Sex's finale, so that should've been the first warning signal right there...
And just wow...what a jerk. Did he rip off anyone really badly? Better yet, did he really think he was going to get away with it?
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I seem to remember him being called out on the old FLASHgames board for being a bad trader, and then launching into an obscenity laced tirade that got him banned...so I'm sure he has ripped off others badly.
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"This site now features links to sites that I, Daniel Voisine, have created or co-created. The links above are the sites that I have created and/or bought the rights to and will be able to answer any questions on in the future. Please be certain that all people’s questions will be answered in a timely fashion. Be aware that I am not always busy." (http://\"http://uk.geocities.com/danielvoisine/\")
"Bought"?
I hope he paid a lot for the rights to those sites.
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Oh lord, I remember that. Guy was a grade-A jerk. And if you actually look at his Game Show Paradise, you'll notice that just about every picture on there was stolen from another site. To think I actually considered trading with him...
My favorite Danny Voisine moment was when someone asked him how he had the "premiere week" of the original Beat The Clock when it was a weekly show. He replied that it was because he had 5 different copies of the same episode. :P