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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TravisP on August 12, 2007, 03:20:16 PM
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For those who were wondering. Yes, Millionaire in the UK is still on the air. However, an evolution is happening.
After 479 episodes and nearly 9 years since their debut in 1998. The original UK version is changing.
From Saturday 18th August, the 22nd series will begin with a celebrity mini series. There will be a massive makeover to the show since 2waytraffic purchased the rights from Celador in 2006. The changes will include a new music score to the show, but more importantly, the number of questions to win £1 Million will be reduced from 15 questions to 12.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'160350\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 12:20 PM\']
For those who were wondering. Yes, Millionaire in the UK is still on the air. However, an evolution is happening.
After 479 episodes and nearly 9 years since their debut in 1998. The original UK version is changing.
From Saturday 18th August, the 22nd series will begin with a celebrity mini series. There will be a massive makeover to the show since 2waytraffic purchased the rights from Celador in 2006. The changes will include a new music score to the show, but more importantly, the number of questions to win £1 Million will be reduced from 15 questions to 12.
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Oh jeez. Whatever happened to the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?"
It will be interesting to see if these changes are brought over to America...
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Do you know what the money tree looks like now?
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the 12-question format is a little different, but you might remember that the Australian version for the first couple of years used an 11-question tree...Still, I hope it's not huge, huge changes.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160351\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 02:23 PM\']
Oh jeez. Whatever happened to the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?"
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Ratings are 1/3 of what they were at its peak (19m then, 6m now). Some might consider that "broken."
Not saying I agree necessarily, but the new owners seem to be ready to make changes to attempt to reverse the ratings trend.
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I'm really curious over the new music score. Celedor was really picky over the music, and hopefully 2waytraffic doesn't kill the still atmospheric music.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'160350\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 12:20 PM\']
From Saturday 18th August, the 22nd series will begin with a celebrity mini series.
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What's the British equivalent of "jumping the shark?"
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160358\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 02:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'160350\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 12:20 PM\']
From Saturday 18th August, the 22nd series will begin with a celebrity mini series.
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What's the British equivalent of "jumping the shark?"
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It's also called jumping the shark here.
Usually the celebrity episodes get the ratings but it depends who is actually taking part. Other years we had the occasional one-off episode for Valentines Day weekend and Easter but we haven't had any celebrities taking part since Christmas and a one-off episode on 28th July. Ironically, a celebrity repeat episode finished joint second in the overall ratings last night. Acheiving a 20% share of the total audience (1 in 5 watching TV watched Millionaire in that timeslot). Saying that, nothing else was on last night.
Looking to see the pairings that will be playing for charity, only a couple stand out. Interesting observation though that Eamonn Holmes will be taking part. As this will be the second time he will be playing celebrity millionaire, and the first to have played both money trees. He previously appeared at Christmas 2004, partnering with Sir Alex Ferguson (soccer team Manchester United manager). While now he will be teamed up with fellow Sky News newsreader Kay Burley.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'160352\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 02:28 PM\']
Do you know what the money tree looks like now?
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I'm afraid I don't, nor do I know the safe heavens if they've changed or not. ITV have comissioned thirty episodes which will stretch the show, as normal on Saturday nights until next summer. The plan is to air seven celebrity specials from 18th August for seven weeks Five episodes have been recorded this week, with the final two to be recorded on 4th September. After these have been aired, they will rest show for Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway to return and take over the slot. Civillian episodes will start in mid-November.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'160352\' date=\'Aug 12 2007, 02:28 PM\']
Do you know what the money tree looks like now?
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I will take a guess.
500
1000
2000
4000 first safe level
8000
16000
32000
64000 second safe level
125000
250000
500000
1 Million
Note: All figures are in British pounds.
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Here's my take on what the noney tree might look like in Brittish pounds:
500
1,000
2,500
5,000*
7,500
10,000
25,000
50,000**
100,000
250,000
500,000
1,0000,000
*safe haven #1
**safe haven #2
If our daytime version can modify the money tree, why not them?
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Well, I was going to post what I thought would be an appropriate chain earlier. Since you opened the door, I guess I'll show mine. I still think that there's nothing wrong with the 15-question tree, but if I was forced to change, I'd try this:
£250
£500
£1,000
£2,000
-------
£5,000
£10,000
£20,000
£50,000
-------
£100,000
£250,000
£500,000
£1,000,000
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From Bother's Bar , or at least, a poster on Bother's Bar...which reveals the answer and ends the speculating. I just don't see why they couldn't start the first q on level 4 and go from there with no changes to the tree...but it's their money, not mine.
£500
£1,000
********
£2,000
£5,000
£10,000
£20,000
£50,000
********
£75,000
£150,000
£250,000
£500,000
£1,000,000
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I don't think they'll skip the first tier because it is important for contestants to gain confidence with the game. Plus, it provides some laughts.
A 4/4/4 structure makes the show more fast paced, with more contestants playing leading to more contestants to pay. I'm afraid the middle prizes will be lowered. Here's a realistic pay table that could be used here in Italy (don't know about other Euro countries)
€100
€200
€300
[€500]
€1'250 (now €2'000)
€2'500 (now €4'000)
€5'000 (now €8'000)
[€10'000] (now €16'000)
€30'000 (now €70'000)
€100'000 (now €150'000)
€300'000
[€1 MILLION]
hum... -_- no.
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I also saw that the phone-in game is ending in the UK--prospective contestants will now be tested and interviewed at auditions, like most other game shows.
Whether the changes will come to the U.S. might depend on Michael Davies' ability to keep status quo, if he wants to (and considering that the daily version's still doing well, he probably would)--if the new owners want to pull the license from Disney if the Mouse doesn't want to make the changes, they probably can--and they could probably get another production company/syndicator in the U.S. to pick up the format.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'160415\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 12:01 PM\']
f the new owners want to pull the license from Disney if the Mouse doesn't want to make the changes, they probably can--and they could probably get another production company/syndicator in the U.S. to pick up the format.
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That reminds me...I notice they removed the Buena Vista logo from the credits...the show cuts off immediately after Valleycrest. Would Sony Pictures be interested in the show, considering they distribute some of the Embassy Row shows?
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Just a note: It's not Buena Vista anymore. It's Disney-ABC Television, or something to that effect. I haven't seen Millionaire in a few weeks, so I don't know if that's on the end or not.
Edit: It's Disney-ABC Domestic Television
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'160427\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 01:13 PM\']
Just a note: It's not Buena Vista anymore. It's Disney-ABC Television, or something to that effect. I haven't seen Millionaire in a few weeks, so I don't know if that's on the end or not.
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That explains it then. As of Friday, the show still cuts off after the Valleycrest logo.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'160429\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 12:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'160427\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 01:13 PM\']
Just a note: It's not Buena Vista anymore. It's Disney-ABC Television, or something to that effect. I haven't seen Millionaire in a few weeks, so I don't know if that's on the end or not.
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That explains it then. As of Friday, the show still cuts off after the Valleycrest logo.
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A couple of weeks ago, I was watching "Ebert & Roeper" and noticed no Buena Vista logo and a "ABC Disney Domestic Television" copyright notice. Now I know that the two events are tied in.
I would assume that there would be a new logo in the fall, but which way are they going? "When You Wish Upon a Star" or "Dah DAH da DAH!"?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'160415\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 11:01 AM\']
I also saw that the phone-in game is ending in the UK--prospective contestants will now be tested and interviewed at auditions, like most other game shows.
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We are still keeping the old fashioned route if you wanted to be picked via random selection, through telephohe, mobile texting and internet entry. While the auditions will look for those with interesting personalities.
It does beg the question whether Michael Davis will look into the new format, as the latest season is already in the can. I would say Eddie McGuire will be interested in the new format though, rumours are still rife down under to bring back Millionaire as McGuire is no longer in control of Channel Nine.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'160407\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 09:14 AM\']
From Bother's Bar , or at least, a poster on Bother's Bar...which reveals the answer and ends the speculating. I just don't see why they couldn't start the first q on level 4 and go from there with no changes to the tree...but it's their money, not mine.
£500
£1,000
********
£2,000
£5,000
£10,000
£20,000
£50,000
********
£75,000
£150,000
£250,000
£500,000
£1,000,000
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The thing I most notice about that money tree is the "odd amounts", like 16,000, 32,000 or 64,000 are now gone. For us, I guess there's always been a connection back to the famous '50s show with the $64K top prize, but probably most of today's viewers wouldn't get that connection.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'160407\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 06:14 AM\']
£500
£1,000
********
£2,000
£5,000
£10,000
£20,000
£50,000
********
£75,000
£150,000
£250,000
£500,000
£1,000,000
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I really don't like how the first tier is shorter than the other two. Even in Australia, the first tier was one question, so it feels more like another qualifier.
My other issue is with the jump from 75k to 150k. With a 50k cushion, you're risking 25k for 75k. Very lopsided.
I still think you can't go wrong by doubling the dollars with each question. It's what worked thus far.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160456\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 03:00 PM\']
My other issue is with the jump from 75k to 150k. With a 50k cushion, you're risking 25k for 75k. Very lopsided.
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Is that all that removed from our $100K -> $250K jump, where you risk $75K to win $150K? Not very.
My issue was with the $50K -> $75K jump, until it occurred to me that that is the "free guess" question, and then it struck me as rather ingenious.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160461\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 05:27 PM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160456\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 03:00 PM\']
My other issue is with the jump from 75k to 150k. With a 50k cushion, you're risking 25k for 75k. Very lopsided.
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Is that all that removed from our $100K -> $250K jump, where you risk $75K to win $150K? Not very.[/quote]
Not that removed at all. And I don't like that jump either. There shouldn't be jumps that scream "Not worth it" right next to jumps that scream "More than worth it."
My issue was with the $50K -> $75K jump, until it occurred to me that that is the "free guess" question, and then it struck me as rather ingenious.
Yeah, same with the $150 -> $250k. At first glance, it looks like risking more than the gain, but it's actually risking $100k for another $100k. At the free guess level, it's clever to keep the incentive relatively low, but in this scenario, you could possibly scare people out of taking a chance which is actually not as unreasonable as it looks.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160475\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 08:52 PM\']
Not that removed at all. And I don't like that jump either. There shouldn't be jumps that scream "Not worth it" right next to jumps that scream "More than worth it."
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'Kay. It's not that big of a deal to me, but at least you're consistent. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160483\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 09:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160475\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 08:52 PM\']
Not that removed at all. And I don't like that jump either. There shouldn't be jumps that scream "Not worth it" right next to jumps that scream "More than worth it."
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'Kay. It's not that big of a deal to me, but at least you're consistent. :)
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I don't have to defend my comments. I'm right and you can't disagree with me. If you don't like it, leave.
/Just a little satire there.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160486\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 09:52 PM\']
I don't have to defend my comments. I'm right and you can't disagree with me. If you don't like it, leave.
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Oh yeah? Well you're a big poopyhead!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'160492\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 10:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'160486\' date=\'Aug 13 2007, 09:52 PM\']
I don't have to defend my comments. I'm right and you can't disagree with me. If you don't like it, leave.
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Oh yeah? Well you're a big poopyhead!
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Homgz get off my internetz!
Ok, that's enough. Let's continue the serious discussion, lest we get the thread locked. I'll wait until I see the new board in play before I make any decisions, but suffice it to say I question it.
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I have now uploaded screen grabs from the first show featuring the new look last night.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/travisp/sets/72157601547725179/ (http://\"http://www.flickr.com/photos/travisp/sets/72157601547725179/\")
While the new techno theme tune and opening titles are now on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOZ0kmgU39U (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOZ0kmgU39U\")
I'm not sure if the new theme tune would suit the syndie version. However, I would suspect they would adapt the new "marble effect" to the question graphics for the next season.
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I was able to see this, and I like the new graphics and music (If you were creating this show in 2007 instead of 1999, you might go with something like this). Still not sure about the 2/5/5 split yet, however (once they go to civilian shows in a few months, we'll probably have more of an idea strategywise).
EDIT: and apparently the German Millionaire is also changing their rules slightly...according to a poster at Bother's Bar, the players at the beginning can pick one of two ways of playing: The normal way, or the daring way. The daring way is still 15 questions, but you get a (still unknown) 4th lifeline from the beginning. The tradoff is you lose the 10th question milestone, so a miss at questions 6-15 would mean you go back to the question 5 amount.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'161253\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 01:55 PM\']
EDIT: and apparently the German Millionaire is also changing their rules slightly...according to a poster at Bother's Bar, the players at the beginning can pick one of two ways of playing: The normal way, or the daring way. The daring way is still 15 questions, but you get a (still unknown) 4th lifeline from the beginning. The tradoff is you lose the 10th question milestone, so a miss at questions 6-15 would mean you go back to the question 5 amount.
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Ooohhhh. I like that! What's the new lifeline?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161257\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 02:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'161253\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 01:55 PM\']
EDIT: and apparently the German Millionaire is also changing their rules slightly...according to a poster at Bother's Bar, the players at the beginning can pick one of two ways of playing: The normal way, or the daring way. The daring way is still 15 questions, but you get a (still unknown) 4th lifeline from the beginning. The tradoff is you lose the 10th question milestone, so a miss at questions 6-15 would mean you go back to the question 5 amount.
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Ooohhhh. I like that! What's the new lifeline?
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They didn't say...their new season starts on Sept 3rd so we might here something then, but I translated some news on the show's site and apparently if you go daring, not only do you get the 4th lifeline, you get extended time on the phone a friend...
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Well, hell. After all the trouble I went through to acquire the Conduit ITC font, they go and change it. :)
Seriously, I love the cosmetic changes, and the theme's not bad too. I'd still like to see that new tree actually played though.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161257\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 01:38 PM\']
Ooohhhh. I like that! What's the new lifeline?
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According to my German contact it's going to be a phone a friend but with a difference. So it could be phone an expert or have an extended time period with another friend but none of us are sure.
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Just got finished watching the torrent. I too, like the new format...and wonder if something like this isn't headed to the U.S. down the pike.
It's not that the show isn't broken at all, it's just that I would imagine producers probabbly enjoy that middle tier the most..it weeds out some of the (semi) useless players while still giving them some good potential drama. By the top tier, they're likely throwing fastballs at you....at the bottom tier, they don't expect you to bunt.
So? Why not get quicker to the middle tier? 2 questions @ 500 and a grand works for me.
The other reason I forsee more minor changes....after 9 years on the air, the different countries are starting to deviate from the solid structured original plan (which had an equally solid structured contract regarding format/set/music/etc). Isn't there a country that just came out with one that is painfully cheap looking , compared to the original model?
Davies has already tinkered twice...what else does he have up his sleeve?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161276\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 03:26 PM\']
Isn't there a country that just came out with one that is painfully cheap looking , compared to the original model?
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I believe you're referring to the Nigerian version that was mentioned here earlier:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...ideoid=12220845 (http://\"http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12220845\")
/My bedroom is bigger than that set.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'161299\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 03:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161276\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 03:26 PM\']
Isn't there a country that just came out with one that is painfully cheap looking , compared to the original model?
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I believe you're referring to the Nigerian version that was mentioned here earlier:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...ideoid=12220845 (http://\"http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=12220845\")
/My bedroom is bigger than that set.
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Outrageous. I've seen local access shows that are better produced. The mics sound like a Skype conference.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'161299\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 03:21 PM\']
I believe you're referring to the Nigerian version that was mentioned here earlier:
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Nigerian Millionaire. Boy, sometimes the jokes just write themselves.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'161309\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 06:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'161299\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 03:21 PM\']
I believe you're referring to the Nigerian version that was mentioned here earlier:
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Nigerian Millionaire. Boy, sometimes the jokes just write themselves.
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I believe, at least what the email said, that $12460 from my checking account went to the top prize.
/Like that?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161310\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 06:39 PM\']
I believe, at least what the email said, that $12460 from my checking account went to the top prize.
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Speaking of the top prize, I scrolled through the video looking for the graphic with the prize tree, and I didn't see any graphics -- the computer I'm on has no sound, so I couldn't hear it. Was there any gameplay in that segment? And what is the top prize?
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[quote name=\'Gus\' post=\'161366\' date=\'Aug 20 2007, 09:40 AM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'161310\' date=\'Aug 19 2007, 06:39 PM\']
I believe, at least what the email said, that $12460 from my checking account went to the top prize.
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Speaking of the top prize, I scrolled through the video looking for the graphic with the prize tree, and I didn't see any graphics -- the computer I'm on has no sound, so I couldn't hear it. Was there any gameplay in that segment? And what is the top prize?
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The video had no gameplay, but the top prize is 10 million Naira, or about $79,151.50 American, as of today.
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Speaking of theme/title changes, you think when Austrailia's version restarts, they'll use this one? (from 2005- it's about 1:40 in the clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z8gNwyt7f0 (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z8gNwyt7f0\")
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Nope, as in 2006 they used the UK one with the logo forming (2004-2007). It's possible that they could adapt the new opening titles for the shows return as it is 20 months since the show last aired.
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I finished watching earlier tonight. The music was little more than a remixed version of the familiar music. I didn't mind the change one bit. The money tree provides for different decisions during the game (I like that the "free guess" is for less than double, since there's zero risk on the part of the player, but to get to that safety point, a player risks £19,000 to win £30,000 more)
What I liked less was the shortening of the first tier. Sure, it's the easy questions, and I'd rather get to the good stuff anyhow, but the first five serves two purposes. First, it gives players a chance to ease into the game with easy questions. Second, when someone does manage to miss an early question, well, you can do the Nelson point-and-laugh.
/How would that work in England?
//Ha-HA?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'161570\' date=\'Aug 21 2007, 09:55 PM\']
/How would that work in England?
//Ha-HA?
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Ho-Ho!
By the way, how did you get to see it? I'd like to see it too.
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You can download the torrent from UK Nova.
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BTW, for those of you who were wondering, the jingle for the new Disney-ABC Domestic Television logo is anothe remix of the Buena Vista TV jingle. I hope I'll get to see it in its entirety when the new season of WWTBAM begins on Monday.
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'163082\' date=\'Sep 8 2007, 10:38 AM\']
BTW, for those of you who were wondering, the jingle for the new Disney-ABC Domestic Television logo is anothe remix of the Buena Vista TV jingle. I hope I'll get to see it in its entirety when the new season of WWTBAM begins on Monday.
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What the bloomin' HELL does that have to do with UK Millionaire, much less merit a two week bump?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'163091\' date=\'Sep 8 2007, 03:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'163082\' date=\'Sep 8 2007, 10:38 AM\']
BTW, for those of you who were wondering, the jingle for the new Disney-ABC Domestic Television logo is anothe remix of the Buena Vista TV jingle. I hope I'll get to see it in its entirety when the new season of WWTBAM begins on Monday.
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What the bloomin' HELL does that have to do with UK Millionaire, much less merit a two week bump?
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Iris got into Bobby's account?
/too obvious?
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Some news which is related to the topic. We currently have two celebrity shows left to broadcast, for those who are interested and watch via the torrents the remaining couples taking part will be.
Brothers Jeremy Vine & Tim Vine
Francis Rossi & Rick Parfitt from the group Status Quo
* Former Olympic rower Sir Steve Redgrave & wife Lady Ann Redgrave
American's favourite (if that term is correct?) Piers Morgan & newsreader Emily Maitlis
TV presenter Vanessa Feltz & fiance Ben Ofodeu
* Those who have seen the 2001 celebrity special with Jasper Carrott and Jonathan Ross would've notice the Redgraves were in Fastest Finger but failed to reach the hotseat. Six years later, the wait is finally over.
While the civillian episodes will start on Tuesday 25th September, featuring ten nurses in Fastest Finger.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'163840\' date=\'Sep 14 2007, 02:12 PM\']
Some news which is related to the topic. We currently have two celebrity shows left to broadcast, for those who are interested and watch via the torrents the remaining couples taking part will be.
Brothers Jeremy Vine & Tim Vine
Francis Rossi & Rick Parfitt from the group Status Quo
* Former Olympic rower Sir Steve Redgrave & wife Lady Ann Redgrave
American's favourite (if that term is correct?) Piers Morgan & newsreader Emily Maitlis
TV presenter Vanessa Feltz & fiance Ben Ofodeu[/quote]
Is Emily going to be showing some leg? :)
/And I've seen that other photo of her in the evening gown
/Heard she was a "question mistress" on another game show--yeah, baby!
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Just wondering. Is the new think music available to the public in any way?
Also, anyone know what the new question font is?