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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on November 04, 2006, 11:29:53 AM
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Caught Thursday's Wheel taping. Before the first show, audience members were asked to simulate reactions to 2 clips of the Combination Lock pilot. The reactions are to be spliced into existing footage for what seems to be an official pilot to sell next year. The production values look very good.
I won't give away who is hosting. I will say from what I've seen and considering his occupation, he fit right in. The afternoon tapings also had audience reactions to the Joker's Wild. However, no clips were shown.
After Friday's Wheel taping, several segments (that explained rules, game play, and dollar amounts) were shot to be included in the CL pitch tape. While I can't reveal them, I will say I liked what I heard. Overall, it looks great and I wish John well.
Also, Wheel will be taping at Radio City Music Hall sometime mid next year to celebrate their 25th Anniversary.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'136891\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:29 AM\']
Caught Thursday's Wheel taping. Before the first show, audience members were asked to simulate reactions to 2 clips of the Combination Lock pilot. The reactions are to be spliced into existing footage for what seems to be an official pilot to sell next year. The production values look very good.
I won't give away who is hosting.[/quote]
Why the heck not? Sony doesn't have any magical hold on you, and I think a lot of us here would like to know.
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Yes, out with it. It's not that Dave Price character, is it?
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Wait. They were asked to simulate reactions?
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'136902\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 12:16 PM\'] Wait. They were asked to simulate reactions? [/quote]
Didn't Meg Ryan do that in "When Harry Met Sally?"
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[quote post=\'136891\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 12:29 PM\']
I won't give away who is hosting. I will say from what I've seen and considering his occupation, he fit right in. [/quote]
Get outta here, there bringing The Bandit and/or Boog Powell from "Strike it Rich" out of mothballs!?!?
:-P
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136926\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 07:24 PM\']
I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile. Hope you all understand.
John
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At least I understand. I mean, it'll make for some good discussion trying to figure out who the host would be, or at least good canidates. We haven't done that in a while...
/Eamonn Holmes is probably looking
//maybe a better fit for TPiR
///sarcasm x2
(Can't wait to see the show, though! Hope it gets picked up!)
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I don't understand the secrecy, but I've always liked Joe Garagiola and I look forward to seeing him again.
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136926\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 04:24 PM\']
I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile. Hope you all understand.
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Oh, Christ.
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'136928\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 04:40 PM\']
I don't understand the secrecy, but I've always liked Joe Garagiola and I look forward to seeing him again.
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I lol'd.
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So let's see ... The entire audience at that WOF taping knows who the host is, but we're not supposed to find out?
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[quote name=\'geno57\' post=\'136931\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 08:56 PM\']
So let's see ... The entire audience at that WOF taping knows who the host is, but we're not supposed to find out?
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The difference is they don't care.
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How about some initials? =P
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136933\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 08:07 PM\'] How about some initials? =P [/quote]
Sure. IDRWTC.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'136932\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 09:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'geno57\' post=\'136931\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 08:56 PM\']
So let's see ... The entire audience at that WOF taping knows who the host is, but we're not supposed to find out?
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The difference is they don't care.
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Game elements, sure I could see that being a secret. But the host? That I don't understand. Especially when so many people already know.
Greg
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136926\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 08:24 PM\']
I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile. Hope you all understand.
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If it's the name that's on Wikipedia it's not exactly low profile anymore. If not, nevermind.
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If you're talking about Ross King, I think that was from about ten years ago.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136938\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 10:06 PM\']
If you're talking about Ross King, I think that was from about ten years ago.
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Pat O'Brien replaced Ross King a while back, didn't he?
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136938\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:06 PM\']
If you're talking about Ross King, I think that was from about ten years ago.
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The article I saw implied he's set to host the 2007 pilot.
Then again, Wikipedia is notable for "contributors" talking out their hats.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'136940\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 10:10 PM\']The article I saw implied he's set to host the 2007 pilot.[/quote]
I'm looking at the article now (it hasn't been edited for a couple of weeks), and although it could certainly be clearer, it says that he's the host of the "unsold pilot", which always refers to the 1996 pilot in the rest of the article.
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Yep. Also, this (http://\"http://www.gameshow-galaxy.net/comblock.htm\") site talking about the 1996 pilot shows King as host, so I'm fairly certain he's not lined up for '07 as well.
EDIT: I re-worded and organized some of the stuff on the Wiki page so it's cleaner and not as confusing.
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As long as his last name isn't a synonym for "cost", it's fine. I just hope it's someone "big" so the secrecy is actually worth it.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136946\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 07:35 PM\']
As long as his last name isn't a synonym for "cost", it's fine. I just hope it's someone "big" so the secrecy is actually worth it.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it isn't, or else John wouldn't be falling all over himself to keep it under wraps.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136946\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 10:35 PM\']As long as his last name isn't a synonym for "cost", it's fine. I just hope it's someone "big" so the secrecy is actually worth it.[/quote]
Hey, I liked him as Garfield's owner Jon, but can Thom Huge really carry a game show?
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136926\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 04:24 PM\']I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile. Hope you all understand.[/quote]And instead of giving the genre's most vocal supporters a bit of information that does NOTHING but help the cause, you withhold the information like the kid who said "If you don't play my way, I'm taking the ball and going home." What is there possibly to gain by not revealing the name of the host?
Right, building interest and excitement in an unproven format. Brilliant.
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136951\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'136949\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:16 AM\']
[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136926\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 04:24 PM\']I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile. Hope you all understand.[/quote]And instead of giving the genre's most vocal supporters a bit of information that does NOTHING but help the cause, you withhold the information like the kid who said "If you don't play my way, I'm taking the ball and going home." What is there possibly to gain by not revealing the name of the host?
Right, building interest and excitement in an unproven format. Brilliant.
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Its a Sony/King World call...out of my hands...sorry!
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And Sony/King World has exactly what legal authority over Mr. Bogart?
(Yes, I know you have the perfect right to ask Chris not to reveal the name, and I know it's his choice to abide by your request, so you need not evade by pointing out those facts instead of answering the direct question. :-)
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Not sure why there's a big ruffling of feathers that John won't reveal a PILOT host.. it's not like that has a lot of bearing on the series getting picked up or not. They hired a person to stand there and recite lines.. GAWD! TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME!!!
All you need to know is the guy did a bang-up job on the pilot! Oh crap.. I narrowed it down. Sorry John!
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'136953\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:16 AM\']
Not sure why there's a big ruffling of feathers that John won't reveal a PILOT host.. it's not like that has a lot of bearing on the series getting picked up or not. They hired a person to stand there and recite lines.. GAWD! TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME!!!
All you need to know is the guy did a bang-up job on the pilot! Oh crap.. I narrowed it down. Sorry John!
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Well, if it's not that important, it's really not such a big deal to reveal, is it?
Heh. More evasion... shocked am I.
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'136953\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 09:16 PM\']
Not sure why there's a big ruffling of feathers that John won't reveal a PILOT host..
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Honestly, I don't really care whether he does or not. I think if there's any ruffling going on, it's over John asking someone to keep quiet about it who really is under no obligation to, and then hiding behind the packager when asked why he did it. It kinda brings the reasons he made that request into question.
Really, in the grand scheme of things, I personally could care less who it is, mainly for the reasons you cite. All I was doing was rolling my eyes at more Ricci goodness.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'136891\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:29 AM\']I will say from what I've seen and considering his occupation, he fit right in[/quote]
See, people at the DMV do have personalities. *rimshot*
*crickets chirping*
/Are those tomatoes I smell?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'136957\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:31 PM\']
/Are those tomatoes I smell?
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Actually, that was me.
/gazpacho
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136938\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 03:06 AM\']
If you're talking about Ross King, I think that was from about ten years ago.
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Although he's a big old important weatherman on a US local news station these days. If Pat Sajak can do it!
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136965\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 06:46 AM\']
we litterally tossed around close to 100 names when it came to hosts...who would you choose to host Lock? The format is completely different from the PC game and the pilot that is floating around...but I'd be curious who you would see in the role!
Would love to hear what you all think...
Johnny
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Here's what I think:
A) I'm not playing the Rich List for possible CL hosts.
B) I think it would help if you let us in on how the format is 'completely different' than the PC game. What strikes me is "Hey, support my game but I can't divulge any information on it." I think the board would be happy to be 100% behind you, but you haven't divulged your answer and you're pointing out that it's Sony/King World's fault. Completely frustrating IMO.
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Kind of pointless to speculate since the host has been chosen, but I would hope you would stay loyal to Ross King and have him host the series.
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136965\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:46 AM\']
Would love to hear what you all think...
Johnny
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So........ you want us to choose a host for a show that we know absolutely nothing about, going as far as to put the clamp down on folks who've actually seen some info?
Yeah, good luck with that.
My choice: Chuck Norris.
Tyshaun
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I will agree with making us guess who's hosting CL...its pointless. We know absolutely nothing that's going on about either the show or the host...its like knowing where the weapons of mass destruction are (see: "Baghdad Bob"). (http://\"http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/\")
As Tyshaun said, good luck with that.
And my guess: Lil' Jon (and I've not had any crunk juice).
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136965\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:46 AM\']
Tell ya what, since we seem to be getting a little crazy here...instead of bashing me for not telling...
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You're not being criticized for not telling (and thanks for evading again, just as I predicted), you're being criticized for playing your usual I-know-something-you-don't-know game, strong-arming others into playing along, and hiding behind Sony's lawyers to do it.
Other insiders, who have had far more inside information at their fingertips than you, often post to this board yet do not play that game here. I wonder why that is? Perhaps they don't feel a desperate need to be the center of attention? Perhaps they're secure in the knowledge that their projects are, you know, actually good and don't need to be held together with manufactured anticipation?
Like Mr. Lemon, I don't personally care who the host is either (my nominee: Todd Russell). But b.s. is b.s. and too many of us on this board can smell it a mile away.
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'136953\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:16 AM\']
Not sure why there's a big ruffling of feathers that John won't reveal a PILOT host.[/quote]
John shouldn't. I completely get that and have from the beginning. And if he's asked a friend as a favor not to reveal what he saw at a Wheel taping, then we ought to respect that as well.
Still, the only thing worse than saying "I have something, but I'm not sharing" to the game show community is to say "I know something, but I'm not telling." It's assumed when someone is in a professional position, like John, Randy and a few others here, that there are secrets they're bound to keep. When I'm told something by one of those people that's meant to be a secret, I keep it to myself. That didn't happen here, and this is the result.
And yeah, John, your last post basically said that while you can't give us any information about the show, you think it would be fun to watch us speculate wildly about it. If an average fan had posted that, it still would have been pointless but at least it would have been genuine. When a producer who already knows the correct answer and isn't going to say posts it, you have to realize it comes across pretty badly.
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This whole thing is very middle school to me, like passing notes in class and whatnot. Kinda felt sad after spending five minutes catching up on this thread this morning. I'll get more excited once the show gets picked up, which of course I hope it does.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'136972\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 11:46 AM\']
Still, the only thing worse than saying "I have something, but I'm not sharing" to the game show community is to say "I know something, but I'm not telling." It's assumed when someone is in a professional position, like John, Randy and a few others here, that there are secrets they're bound to keep. When I'm told something by one of those people that's meant to be a secret, I keep it to myself. That didn't happen here, and this is the result.[/quote]
If, however, an entire studio audience saw this (and I can't fathom Sony trying to shut them up and if they did, I can't see it being enforceable) then this is bound for a trade paper in the very near future. When that happens I really don't see anyone on the board seriously listening to anyone imploring us to still keep it quiet. At that point it would be the equivalent of going outside on a beautiful day and trying to beg people to keep quiet about the color of the sky.
As a reporter I get requests all the time to keep something off the record and of course I would look foolish if I tried to get our anchors to go on the air and sing "We know something you don't!" But I do keep it off the record always with the same caveat: if it becomes public in some other form the deal is off and I run with it, or if said person pipelines it to a competitor while still trying to keep me quiet (and that has happened several times), there's living hell to pay in the end for screwing me like that.
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I just hope the show gets picked up, along with Joker. Heck, add Deal in the mix, and maybe game shows can start knocking off those talkers (Rachel Ray? That crazy woman from Will and Grace? Geeez....).
And if we are thowing names into the hat, I'll go out on that limb and say...
...this will be the GLORIOUS RETURN of one certain person...
...I'd GO watch...
...KEVIN O'CONNELL!
/and you would too...admit it
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I asked him not to devulge that information at this time and I thank Christopher for respecting that request. I know you're all anxious to know, but right now we have to keep this information low profile.
So let's see ... The entire audience at that WOF taping knows who the host is, but we're not supposed to find out?
Has Sony officially instructed you not to divulge information which is now known to an entire WOF audience or are you just jerking the members of this board around? This whole hush-hush business sounds like bullshit to me, particularly given your posting history here.
I have reason to believe Wink Martindale is involved in either Joker or Lock.
you all are going to love this show WHEN it debuts...WHEN not IF
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. The big IF is IF it sells at NATPE in January. The halls of past NATPE conventions are littered with dead game show pilots.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'136942\' date=\'Nov 4 2006, 11:16 PM\']
EDIT: I re-worded and organized some of the stuff on the Wiki page so it's cleaner and not as confusing.
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Thank you for that, it did help.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'136949\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:16 AM\']
Right, building interest and excitement in an unproven format. Brilliant.
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I think you hit that right on the head. That's exactly what they're trying to do, get us to help them generate positive buzz on something almost totally unknown and unproven. The only way I would do that is if I knew any established vets involved with the show and I'm not allowed even that. Nice try guys.
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I thought Chuck Henry wasn't going to host another game after 'Now You See It'. The things you learn...
Call me crazy... but I'm not interested in this show one way or another. Joker, maybe... unless they screw with it.
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136991\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:04 PM\']
<Sigh> Oh well, I tried!
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To manipulate this board's membership into giving you a little free pub, without giving us any kind of hint as to whether that pub is deserved?
Yeah, you tried.
Well done on not falling for it, troops.
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136991\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 02:04 PM\']
<Sigh> Oh well, I tried!
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I don't get it... we're the audience that you want to get most excited about what you're doing, but you continue to play this "nyah-nyah" game everytime. Whatever.
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'136969\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 08:24 AM\']
[quote name=\'jrjgames\' post=\'136965\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:46 AM\']
Would love to hear what you all think...
Johnny
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So........ you want us to choose a host for a show that we know absolutely nothing about, going as far as to put the clamp down on folks who've actually seen some info?
Yeah, good luck with that.
My choice: Chuck Norris.
Tyshaun
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No, no ... Jack Bauer!
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'136993\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 12:46 PM\']
I don't get it... we're the audience that you want to get most excited about what you're doing, but you continue to play this "nyah-nyah" game everytime. Whatever.
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He doesn't want excitement, he wants adulation. Which, I mean, is something a lot of us want, but he's going about it in completely the wrong way.
He reminds me of the kid who wants everyone to like him in school, and tries so hard to force the issue that he ends up alienating everyone.
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JRJgames wrote:
anyway...we litterally tossed around close to 100 names when it came to hosts...who would you choose to host Lock?
I wouldn't choose anybody. I'd try to get Blockbusters or Pyramid revived.
And I wouldn't pick Donny Osmond to host a game show.
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Isn't it obvious who the host is?
The worlds greatest master of ceremonies himself...
PAT O'BRIEN!!!!
-Joe R.
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I'm not gonna get in on the who's right vs. who's wrong debate, but I am actually somewhat interested in this pilot.
John, can you at least say whether the host has any game show experience? (not as a panelist) Not that it makes a difference, but I'm just getting kinda tired of comedians and/or former sitcom stars getting hosting gigs.
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John, can you at least say whether the host has any game show experience?
I think we've badgered John and wrung our hands enough on this topic.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'137005\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 02:41 PM\']
John, can you at least say whether the host has any game show experience?
I think we've badgered John and wrung our hands enough on this topic.
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Agreed and agreed. Best it be left to drop.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'137005\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 06:41 PM\']
I think we've badgered John and wrung our hands enough on this topic.
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Understandable. Forget I asked. :-)
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Damn, Lemon, one minute. I hope you're not that quick in the sack.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'137008\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 02:45 PM\']
Damn, Lemon, one minute. I hope you're not that quick in the sack.
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Ask yer....aw, never mind. :)
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I'll just say this:
What would be the big deal saying what the name is? It's not like people in the biz would be offended because after all, people in the industry dislike this board (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10373&st=30&p=115877&#entry115877\") anyway.
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'137010\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 02:49 PM\']
I'll just say this:
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What part of let it drop (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11755&view=findpost&p=137005\") did you not understand?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137011\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 06:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'JRaygor\' post=\'137010\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 02:49 PM\']
I'll just say this:
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What part of let it drop (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11755&view=findpost&p=137005\") did you not understand?
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I apologize, I was searching for the link and was not aware the situation was declared dropped.
-Joe R.
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Sorry, I know we said that the matter should be dropped, but I'm afraid one more thing needs to be said. As a moderator of this forum, and as someone who is passionately interested in the open and free discussion of ideas, I find it extremely disappointing, and in some ways a personal affront, that John's ultimate response to criticism was to remove his posts from this thread.
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I was wondering how the thread went from five pages to four... (I have my settings to 15 responses a page)
-Joe R.
/Now it's five again!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'137018\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:08 PM\']
Sorry, I know we said that the matter should be dropped, but I'm afraid one more thing needs to be said. As a moderator of this forum, and as someone who is passionately interested in the open and free discussion of ideas, I find it extremely disappointing, and in some ways a personal affront, that John's ultimate response to criticism was to remove his posts from this thread.
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Not meaning to beat a dead horse (and yeah, this probably counts anyway), but I'm more baffled than insulted. If I'm not mistaken, everything he said in the thread was subsequently quoted by someone else, so it's not as though he can pretend that it never happened.
That said, yeah, he wanted to hear what we had to say as long as it was unconditional praise and as long as all he had to do was bask in said praise. Not only isn't that the open and free discussion of ideas that Matt mentioned (and that I also endorse), it's not discussion, period.
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Extremely unprofessional and immature behavior from the get-go from someone who is supposed to be professionally working with others in any environment. Somewhat disappointing to me.
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This really shouldn't have been a big deal. We'll find out soon enough anyway, so give us a name so we can react sooner how we're going to react anyway. If it's poorly received, maybe it'll give you some time so you can change it because your hints seem to indicate this may not be a permanent thing. And if it isn't bad, then you can start the ball rolling on a positive note (which it definitely isn't right now).
But you have apparently "left the thread", so you're not going to see this anyway.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'137026\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 08:47 PM\']But you have apparently left the thread, so you're not going to see this anyway.[/quote]
Make no mistake, anything that says Combination Lock on this forum, John is reading.
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Make no mistake, anything that says Combination Lock on this forum, John is reading.
Without a doubt.
John never said he was under orders from Sony not to leak the identity of the pilot emcee. This leaves us to wonder whether all of this hush-hush cloak-and-dagger mystery was orchestrated by John or if it comes from Sony higher-ups. If it is the latter, we would have to respect the fact that he cannot jeopardize his relationship with Sony by divulging information he's been asked not to, and y'all would have to wait to find out. But he didn't say one way or the other. I can't imagine what purpose is served by not divulging the emcee's identity, as they're going to NATPE with it and we'll find out sooner or later anyway.
My guess is it's Wink.
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Stop the insanity!!
My source for the following info is not John, so I don't consider it a breach of his confidence. By definition it can't be a breach of his confidence or friendship since he never gave me the info. Between production staff, execs and crew members, dozens of people have been involved in the pilot tapings, and my information came from one of them who never told me it was a secret. So, my intent is simply to calm the waters and restore some sanity here.
The hosts of both CL and Joker are not names familiar from the world of game shows. Although they are both television personalities known to some viewers (not to me, btw), to the best of my knowledge neither has hosted a game show before.
Everybody good with this? Now can we let it drop? Peace out, m' homies.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Just to back up a bit...
[quote name=\'cweaver\' post=\'136977\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 10:05 AM\']
As a reporter I get requests all the time to keep something off the record and of course I would look foolish if I tried to get our anchors to go on the air and sing "We know something you don't!" But I do keep it off the record always with the same caveat: if it becomes public in some other form the deal is off and I run with it, or if said person pipelines it to a competitor while still trying to keep me quiet (and that has happened several times), there's living hell to pay in the end for screwing me like that.
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That's Journalism 101. Reporters (and I was one until last week) often get press releases with announcement dates, and on the whole, we request them. But if, say, I'm holding on for the Podunk Times, and the Podunk Daily News prints the release, by our standards the request is no longer valid. Quite often, we'd see stories on AP about, say, a release in some medical journal with an "embargo date" followed shortly by an advisory releasing the story because some other news organization has announced it.
In this case, it seems, if we get the source from someplace else, it's fair game to print here. We haven't been asked to hold it, and the producers have released it to others. My dos pesos.
(I would have written this sooner, but today's Packer game induced heavy drinking.)
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The hosts of both CL and Joker are not names familiar from the world of game shows. Although they are both television personalities known to some viewers (not to me, btw)
Fair enough. In your estimation, if the names of these individuals were divulged here, would most people say "Who?"?
The question remains (and I pose it rhetorically): Why the big hush-hush treatment on John's part?
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'137034\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 10:50 PM\']
That's Journalism 101. Reporters (and I was one until last week) often get press releases with announcement dates, and on the whole, we request them...(snip)
In this case, it seems, if we get the source from someplace else, it's fair game to print here. We haven't been asked to hold it, and the producers have released it to others. My dos pesos.
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I wasn't even talking about embargoed news releases, I was talking about stuff my police/deputy friends tell me to hold off on reporting. Most of the time they honor their word and let me run with it first, but there have been rare occasions when a few were trying to trick me into staying quiet to repay some buddy at the newspaper by letting him have an exclusive. Several narcotics officers caught living hell one time for burning me like that, not just from me but from their own commanders (chief, mayor included).
Anyway your last line was my exact point. There's nothing in the world stopping anyone else in the studio audience that night or anyone else who knows and isn't so bound to drop the same here. I respect those who want the subject closed but I say we reopen it when someone in the know gives us a name.
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Okay, this is getting to be silly now.
While I can side with the members of the board on John's offbeat request to talk about the 'phantom host' of a show no one here knows about, I've also got to side with John because everyone here backing him against the wall needs to walk in his shoes for a minute.
Right now he's got a deal going with Sony to hopefully bring Combination Lock to our TVs; this is his JOB. He's got to answer to people that sign his checks - and if the bosses say "Don't say anything about the show", then guess what! He AIN'T SAYIN' JACK if it means that he still has a job to go on Monday morning and more checks to come on Payday. Do you honestly think that people in the industry don't surf around here? They may not post, but be assured that they know about it - and if they saw John say "It was Mr. Game Show who hosted the pilot", then obviously they'll be saying "Guess we'll end our relationship with him since he obviously can't be trusted with sensitive information." Then what is his defense? "But.. but the people on the Invision board were saying mean things and I didn't want them to be mad at me! I *HAD* to tell them!!"
Sure, none of you give a crap about that - all you care about is who did this pilot? No, wait.. you are just pissy because John asked someone not to reveal the information. So why aren't you jumping all over cmjb13 because he's chosen to abide by John's request?
How about we start going off on the others who come on the board to say "Hey, you were in the mob at '1 vs 100', and you aren't telling us how much the people won before it comes on TV! WE CAN'T WAIT! WE HATE YOU!" *stomp off to your room*
Is this all really necessary? You want to know more about the show? Here - people get numbers to make combinations to open locks to win money. NOW you can talk about who would be the best host!
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'137044\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 10:24 PM\']Right now he's got a deal going with Sony to hopefully bring Combination Lock to our TVs; this is his JOB. He's got to answer to people that sign his checks - and if the bosses say "Don't say anything about the show", then guess what! He AIN'T SAYIN' JACK if it means that he still has a job to go on Monday morning and more checks to come on Payday. [/quote]
That's the variable right now. He has NOT stated that Sony or anyone in that general department is keeping him from releasing information. As far as we know right now, (especially since hundreds of free-willed people know) he's doing it on his own personal will as some sort of attempted powerhold.
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'137044\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:24 PM\']
Sure, none of you give a crap about that - all you care about is who did this pilot?
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For the second time today, no, I don't care.
No, wait.. you are just pissy because John asked someone not to reveal the information. So why aren't you jumping all over cmjb13 because he's chosen to abide by John's request?
Because that's entirely Chris's choice. My only question (which John dodged repeatedly, and which I guess we won't get an answer to, since John once again chose to take his ball and go home instead of manning up, but, again, doesn't ruin my day in the least) was one of why he can't keep his story straight as to why he did it.
And as for the rest of your screed: you couldn't have missed the point more.
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'137044\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 11:24 PM\']
Right now he's got a deal going with Sony to hopefully bring Combination Lock to our TVs; this is his JOB. He's got to answer to people that sign his checks - and if the bosses say "Don't say anything about the show", then guess what! He AIN'T SAYIN' JACK if it means that he still has a job to go on Monday morning and more checks to come on Payday. [/quote]
I think several of us on the board have already indicated we don't blame John so much for not telling us himself. We know that's his job, we get that, many of us work in media ourselves. We may not understand the "big deal" but we do know he's a company man. I can tell you what my TV station is doing for sweeps but it would involve my being unemployed tomorrow myself.
The first problem I had was that Christopher apparently was in a position where could've sang like a canary and no one could've (or would've) done anything about it, and John hushed him up. That kind of annoyed me. (If I'm missing something I'd like to know. But no one has indicated otherwise.) Second, he did that involving a piece of information the studio audience knew and can blab all night long to anyone who listens. The fact that "they don't care and we do" means squat to me.
And finally I believe some of us questioned what we perceived as a "we know something you don't ha ha ha" mentality behind the posts and questioned the messages' usefulness under the circumstances. But it's not just even that. Some of us felt it was an unsuccessful attempt to manipulate us into generating positive buzz for something without us knowing whether it was worth our generating positive buzz about it.
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If I recall.. John DID say that it was Sony's call to not say anything.. but that seemed convieniently overlooked.
"Manning up"? WTF? I don't blame the guy for wanting to leave when all that's happening is this whining that "the board" isn't privy to the host name.
As for me "missing the point" - I already said that I can see both sides of what's going on. I'm not entirely defending John for his actions on the board; but when push comes to shove, fact is that HE will not be the one to mention anything because his bosses said so.
And as Randy said.. if the name was to be brought up, we already have heard that the host isn't familiar to game shows.. so everyone here wouldn't have much more to say other than "Okay.. now that we found out the host.. we want a full detailed writeup on the show and how the pilot will differ from the series, because now we have to over-analyze how he did in _______________ compared to what he'll be doing with this format."
It's like every other host we've heard mentioned before the show came on. Personally, I thought Howie was going to BOMB on hosting the game show.. just as I thought it was odd for Bob Saget to be brought on board for a game show.. I think they both are doing quite a fine job.
But, Mr. Lemon, please feel free to correct me on how much I've "missed the point" - sure we could squeeze a little more sourness out of ya! ;)
CWeaver.. I understand where you are coming from - but this isn't the media. There's no "bragging rights" to jumping online on here to be "the first" to post OH BOY! I KNOW THE HOST!! I'LL BE THE FIRST TO REPORT IT!! YAHOOOOOOO! *type type type*..
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'137044\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 10:24 PM\']
Right now he's got a deal going with Sony to hopefully bring Combination Lock to our TVs; this is his JOB. He's got to answer to people that sign his checks - and if the bosses say "Don't say anything about the show", then guess what! He AIN'T SAYIN' JACK if it means that he still has a job to go on Monday morning and more checks to come on Payday. Do you honestly think that people in the industry don't surf around here? They may not post, but be assured that they know about it - and if they saw John say "It was Mr. Game Show who hosted the pilot", then obviously they'll be saying "Guess we'll end our relationship with him since he obviously can't be trusted with sensitive information." Then what is his defense? "But.. but the people on the Invision board were saying mean things and I didn't want them to be mad at me! I *HAD* to tell them!!"
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Way to evade again. Not only do we understand that John couldn't reveal the host's name, but several of us have said so, including one moderator who said it in so many words (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11755&view=findpost&p=136972\").
Sure, none of you give a crap about that - all you care about is who did this pilot? No, wait.. you are just pissy because John asked someone not to reveal the information. So why aren't you jumping all over cmjb13 because he's chosen to abide by John's request?
As has been explained in this thread several times, we are not criticizing John for refusing to reveal the name, or Chris for agreeing to John's request. We're criticizing John for hiding behind Sony's attorneys as an excuse for his request when Chris is under no legal obligation to keep quiet, for taunting us as he's done so many times in the past, and for trying to get us to generate positive buzz for a show without letting us know anything substantive about it.
If it needs to be kept secret, it should have been kept secret, period. Instead of telling Chris that it was okay to taunt us by letting us know that he went but not telling us anything, it would have been more appropriate for John to ask Chris to simply keep quiet about having seen the pilot clips at all. None of us would have had a problem with that -- witness how often new details come out about an upcoming show and someone here tells us that he knew but was asked not to say anything.
How about we start going off on the others who come on the board to say "Hey, you were in the mob at '1 vs 100', and you aren't telling us how much the people won before it comes on TV! WE CAN'T WAIT! WE HATE YOU!" *stomp off to your room*
The fact that you keep avoiding -- deliberately, I'm now convinced -- is that they're legally barred from blabbing, they're not out taunting people, and they're not trying to stir up pointless discussion of what might have happened when they themselves know exactly what happened. In other words, they keep their mouths shut, period. Had John -- and by extension, Chris -- done that, no one would have had a problem. They didn't, and as a result they got what anyone should reasonably expect when playing "I know something you don't know" around mature adults: criticism and ridicule. On top of that, John, via Chris, tried to use the membership of this board for his own purposes without letting the membership know key details of what he was doing. Said membership didn't like being used in that way and became justifiably ticked off.
Bottom line: if it's secret, it should stay secret, and if you're going to try to dance around that, don't be surprised when someone steps on your toes.
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[quote name=\'MrGameShow\' post=\'137053\' date=\'Nov 5 2006, 07:53 PM\']
If I recall.. John DID say that it was Sony's call to not say anything.. but that seemed convieniently overlooked.
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Not so. I've acknowledged that from the get-go.
I don't blame the guy for wanting to leave when all that's happening is this whining that "the board" isn't privy to the host name.
Please show me where I have whined about that. If anything, I have gone out of my way, and I'll do it for a THIRD time now, to say I DON'T CARE.
But, Mr. Lemon, please feel free to correct me on how much I've "missed the point" - sure we could squeeze a little more sourness out of ya! ;)
Idiotic and unoriginal joke notwithstanding, I'll try once more: John pipes up and says he asked Chris to keep it quiet. Great. Nifty. Then, when asked why, he turns around and says "Nope, can't talk, Sony's lawyers, sorry!" Which might be why HE can't say anything (and, again, I'm fine with that), but have nothing to do with him asking Chris to keep it quiet. And his concerted effort to dodge responding to the question of "why did you ask him to stay quiet, when he's not under any kind of contract with Sony?" is what's getting him flamed.
Yes, we have a couple of chuckleheads who are still trying to squeeze that information out of both parties, and those people should absolutely shut the hell up. This isn't about that.
Clear enough?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'137058\' date=\'Nov 6 2006, 12:09 AM\']
Yes, we have a couple of chuckleheads who are still trying to squeeze that information out of both parties, and those people should absolutely shut the hell up. This isn't about that.
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Aww, chucklehead?! I resent that! :-P
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If I recall.. John DID say that it was Sony's call to not say anything
Nope, you are 100% in error on this point. I checked very, VERY carefully before my first post in this thread:
Has Sony officially instructed you not to divulge information which is now known to an entire WOF audience or are you just jerking the members of this board around?
and this post:
John never said he was under orders from Sony not to leak the identity of the pilot emcee. This leaves us to wonder whether all of this hush-hush cloak-and-dagger mystery was orchestrated by John or if it comes from Sony higher-ups.
and this post:
The question remains (and I pose it rhetorically): Why the big hush-hush treatment on John's part?
John merely made allusions to having to keep the identity "low profile" and never said in specific terms that he was under orders from Sony, which is why I posed the question in my first post.
Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.