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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JTFriends1 on February 10, 2004, 03:14:07 PM
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LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - The stakes on "Super Millionaire," the $10 million version of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" that ABC is reviving later this month, are, obviously, higher -- hence the "Super" in the title.
Contestants will have the chance to win a lot more money than in "Millionaire's" original incarnation. But they might also lose a lot more.
Like the previous "Millionaire," and the syndicated version currently on the air, players are guaranteed to walk away with at least some money if they answer the fifth and 10th questions correctly. The amount of money at each "lock-in" level, however, is significantly higher than in previous incarnations of the game.
"Super Millionaire," which debuts at 9 p.m. ET Sunday, Feb. 22, with host Regis Philbin, will start with a $1,000 question, executive producer Michael Davies says. Each of the next four questions adds $1,000, reaching $5,000 at the first lock-in level. From there, the money jumps to $10,000, $20,000, $30,000, $50,000 and $100,000 for the 10th question.
The final questions get an even bigger bump, rising to $500,000, $1 million, $2.5 million, $5 million and finally $10 million.
"The rewards, if you get a question right, are phenomenal," Davies says. "The risks at that point -- as you're going from $1 million to $2.5 million or back down to $100,000 -- are also phenomenal."
To encourage contestants to keep playing for the biggest bucks, anyone who reaches the $100,000 will be given two new lifelines called Three Wise Men and Double Dip (the traditional 50/50, Ask the Audience and Phone a Friend lifelines will remain part of the game). Three Wise Men allows the player to consult with three trivia experts (men and women, Davies notes) who will be in a different part of the "Millionaire" studio. The experts will include a mix of journalists, academics and past game-show champions.
Double Dip allows a player to take two shots at answering a question. However, in exchange for the extra chance, players must commit to risking the money they've earned and cannot walk away.
"Super Millionaire" will also bring back the "Fastest Finger" preliminary round and a qualify-by-phone game for would-be contestants. The contestant phone line (800-999-7878) will open at 7 p.m. ET Monday, Feb. 16.
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I wonder if Dr. Ralph Doty is available?
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summary:
1,000
2,000
3,000
4,000
5,000 (lock-in)
10,000
20,000
30,000
50,000
100,000 (lock-in and two more lifelines)
500,000
1 million
2.5 million
5 million
10 million
vs.
100
200
300
500
1,000 (lock-in)
2,000
4,000
8,000
16,000
32,000 (lock-in)
64,000
125,000
250,000
500,000
1 million
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...Interesting.
So if a constestant saves his/her 50:50 for an upper tier question, then using that combined with the "Double Dip" lifeline will automatically guarantee a correct answer. I'm not quite sure how I feel about these changes until I see them in action.
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[quote name=\'JTFriends1\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 01:14 PM\'] The final questions get an even bigger bump, rising to $500,000, $1 million, $2.5 million, $5 million and finally $10 million.
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Interesting. The Mo' Money aspect almost sickens me, but I just don't see a player attempting a $5 million (or even a $2.5 million) question unless they or one of the Wise Men know it FOR SURE. Too much to lose, and as far as I'm concerned, anything above a million is an incomprehensible amount of money. When you start moving from one incomprehensible amount of money to another, the game becomes meaningless. At $500K, people UNDERSTOOD the concept of losing $468K. At $1M? $900K is so close to $1M that I think the average person just can't fathom it. $2.4 MILLION? Fuggetaboutit.
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Wow! That means a total of FIVE Lifelines will be available in the new version! This should sound good!
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[quote name=\'MYosua\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 01:38 PM\'] ...Interesting.
So if a constestant saves his/her 50:50 for an upper tier question, then using that combined with the "Double Dip" lifeline will automatically guarantee a correct answer. I'm not quite sure how I feel about these changes until I see them in action. [/quote]
I don't see them letting that happen. Since there is a stip that says once you decide to Double Dip, you're in for the duration (which I assume means if you pick once and miss you don't get to bail out halfway through), I would wager there is ALSO a stip that states it must be used alone. It's simply too powerful when combined with practically ANY other lifeline, save perhaps Ask The Audience.
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My guess is that contestants won't be allowed to use the Double Dip lifeline with any other lifeline, just to avoid the 50-50 play.
BTW, mo' money never sickens me, especially when it's in my pocket. And I can see contestants risking a lot if they have the Double Dip and can confidently narrow the choices down to two. I'm sure that's the exact reason Davies wanted such an extremely powerful lifeline.
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It's veddy interesting.I hope the Three Wise Men lifeline lasts longer than the PAF. I'd hope they'd get to confer for at least a minute or two after finding out the question. What's amazing is the leap between $100,000 and half a million. And that's where you get your free guess!
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:46 PM\'] Wow! That means a total of FIVE Lifelines will be available in the new version! This should sound good! [/quote]
Hey!
Woolery left Wheel!
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:50 PM\'] My guess is that contestants won't be allowed to use the Double Dip lifeline with any other lifeline, just to avoid the 50-50 play.
BTW, mo' money never sickens me, especially when it's in my pocket. And I can see contestants risking a lot if they have the Double Dip and can confidently narrow the choices down to two. I'm sure that's the exact reason Davies wanted that extremely powerful lifeline. [/quote]
Same here, Casey. It's only Mo' Money to me if it's a crappy game to begin with. All good game shows should raise the stakes eventually, as what used to be considered a ton of money way back when just doesn't register with people anymore (Sorry, Mr. Lemon). Even the million dollar top prize just doesn't awe as many as it used to. I just hope that ABC plays this right, or they'll have to make someone a Billionaire just to climb out of fourth place.
I'm glad they finally decided on a better Cash Mountain than just multiplying everything by ten. That could have bankrupted ABC something fierce. Now, there is a serious consequence to answering every question past Number 10, as it should be.
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They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"?
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My proposed prize table:
1: $1,000
2: $2,000
3: $3,000
4: $4,000
5: $5,000
6: $7,000
7: $10,000
8: $15,000
9: $25,000
10: $50,000
11: $100,000
12: $250,000
13: $500,000
14: $1,000,000
15: $10,000,000
(Looks at the actual prize table)
I wonder if anyone at ABC read my post ? : P
Chris, I'm more sickened that I have a really bad gut feeling that an opposing network will try to compete with "Super Millionaire" and have show that'll over a prize of $20,000,000.
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM\'] They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"? [/quote]
I kinda like it--as long as they don't make the panel wear robes and hats.
Three Wise Men was probably easier to come up with an icon for (although it would seem to me that it would be similar to ATA).
I wonder if they'll give the Wise Men a library set to work from--or even better, three isolation booths.
Oops--thought Jay Wolpert was working on this show.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:46 PM\'] Wow! That means a total of FIVE Lifelines will be available in the new version! This should sound good! [/quote]
Don't get your hopes up at all about this being 'good'. I'm not as sickened by the Mo' Money Syndrome as Chris is, but I do agree with him -- I'm going to be very surprised if anyone goes past the $2.5 million question. I do think we'll see at least one millionaire, though.
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[quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM\'] They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"? [/quote]
Is that going forwards or backwards with the creativity? Personally, I think Three Wise Men has more of a ring to it, or perhaps a CHA-CHING! for some lucky contestant.
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I'm not as sickened by the Mo' Money Syndrome as Chris is, but I do agree with him -- I'm going to be very surprised if anyone goes past the $2.5 million question.
Depends. If a contestant can hang onto the nuclear option, a.k.a. the Double Dip, you might see some serious risk-taking. Don't know if it will happen in just a five-night run. But if there are lots of shows with these rules, I can see somebody eventually narrowing down the five or ten mill question to two choices...and deciding to go for ALL the gusto with the Double Dip. That's a mighty powerful lifeline, much stronger than any of the others.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:47 PM\'] [quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM\'] They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"? [/quote]
Is that going forwards or backwards with the creativity? Personally, I think Three Wise Men has more of a ring to it, or perhaps a CHA-CHING! for some lucky contestant. [/quote]
Well, they could go with 'Ask the Geeks' Hey, where's the TV geek - er, Wise Man - anyway?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:06 PM\'] Woolery left Wheel! [/quote]
OMG! The world is coming to an end! Heaven help us all!
I prefer Lynn Swann left To Tell The Truth, personally. :-P
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM\'] They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"? [/quote] [/quote]
"Ask The Experts?"
That sounds like a lifeline taken from the cyber version of Millionaire hosted by Dave Adams and Tom Sabatelli.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:49 PM\'] I don't see them letting that happen. Since there is a stip that says once you decide to Double Dip, you're in for the duration (which I assume means if you pick once and miss you don't get to bail out halfway through), I would wager there is ALSO a stip that states it must be used alone. It's simply too powerful when combined with practically ANY other lifeline, save perhaps Ask The Audience. [/quote]
That's what thought they'd do too, especially given the provision that you can't walk away after one choice, but I couldn't help but think what would happen if they didn't say it couldn't be combined. As you pointed out, nearly any combination of lifelines involving the DD could be too powerful. I'd argue that even ATA + DD might also be too powerful, if the results of the poll show 2 answers that have significantly more responses than the other 2. Then the contestant can go with the audience twice, and hope one answer is OK. (Of course, since these are all upper-tier questions, the audience might not be the most reliable...)
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Steve Beverly says he was part of a conference call with Davies and Philbin this afternoon, during which, they said that a contestant who has reserved a 50-50 for the upper tier can guarantee a correct answer by combining it with the Double Dip.
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[quote name=\'JTFriends1\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 05:55 PM\'] Steve Beverly says he was part of a conference call with Davies and Philbin this afternoon, during which, they said that a contestant who has reserved a 50-50 for the upper tier can guarantee a correct answer by combining it with the Double Dip. [/quote]
Interesting...
The biggest problem I have with this is that if someone has Double Dip and 50:50 going to the last question, theoretically they've already won (unless they're really stupid, which they shouldn't be if they've gotten that far). Which would make the final question very anticlimactic to anyone who notices that.
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Devious plot twist - have they said that all questions will continue to have four choices? Questions over the million level might have six answers. You could have a 50/50 chop it down to 3, then the double dip eliminate one wrong one...and you still have two choices.
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Well, for the sake of semantics, the 50/50 lifeline would give the player a 50/50 shot at the right answer, still producing two possibilities, regardless of how many choices were presented originally
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We have to also remember that the questions will probably (hopefully) become extremely difficult, leaving the possibilty of having both the 50:50 and DD at question 50 rather remote (again, hopefully). However, if the stack is incredibly difficult and a person is able to navigate through 14 questions without using those lifelines, they probably (hopefully) deserved to win anyway.
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[quote name=\'JTFriends1\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:14 PM\']
Three Wise Men allows the player to consult with three trivia experts (men and women, Davies notes) who will be in a different part of the "Millionaire" studio. The experts will include a mix of journalists, academics and past game-show champions.
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There are a few people on this board who'd be perfect for the former contestant portion of this triumvirate.
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[quote name=\'JTFriends1\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 05:55 PM\'] Steve Beverly says he was part of a conference call with Davies and Philbin this afternoon, during which, they said that a contestant who has reserved a 50-50 for the upper tier can guarantee a correct answer by combining it with the Double Dip. [/quote]
And you believe everything The Perfessor says? OK, he might have been in that call, but I've seen an awful lot of postings from real game show insiders who say that staffers have been told on several shows not to talk to him.
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I've seen an awful lot of postings from real game show insiders who say that staffers have been told on several shows not to talk to him.
Is that because he's inaccurate, or just because the shows didn't want important information to leak out?
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[quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 02:29 PM\'] They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"? [/quote]
Frankly, I think Three Wise Men is a pretty clever name.
Why is "Ask The Experts" moreso? Screams "BORING!" to me.
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[quote name=\'MYosua\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:11 PM\'] I'd argue that even ATA + DD might also be too powerful, if the results of the poll show 2 answers that have significantly more responses than the other 2. Then the contestant can go with the audience twice, and hope one answer is OK. (Of course, since these are all upper-tier questions, the audience might not be the most reliable...) [/quote]
Agreed, but you hit upon my argument right at the end - when you start getting to those truly insane upper level questions, the ATA poll results start to level off...
You're right, tho, if they happen to overhwhelmingly point to one of two answers, it would be as good a fodder for the DD as any.
(Double Dip. Was Thrifty a national drugstore chain, and if so, did they all have cheap ice cream? When I was teeny, you could get a two-scoop cone for 30 cents, and it went up as high as 65 or so (a TRIPLE was 90, and too hard to manage) before Rite-Aid bought them all out. The Chocolate Chip was EXCELLENT as cheap drugstore ice cream goes...)
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:39 PM\'] Well, for the sake of semantics, the 50/50 lifeline would give the player a 50/50 shot at the right answer, still producing two possibilities, regardless of how many choices were presented originally [/quote]
More to the point, if this information about The Perfesser's call is true, the DD only kicks in after the second tier, so you'd still have to have four answers to play it out the way Davies et. al. suggest it.
I dunno if I buy it, though. What if someone were to Carpenter and make it to the $10M question with both of those lifelines intact? What should be a Landmark Moment In Television History would be totally anticlimactic, and Davies and his posse would be the goats for blowing it.
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[quote name=\'scully24\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:59 PM\']
I've seen an awful lot of postings from real game show insiders who say that staffers have been told on several shows not to talk to him.
Is that because he's inaccurate, or just because the shows didn't want important information to leak out? [/quote]
Probably a combination of things. He's been known to be inaccurate, and he's been known to openly and unashamedly practice questionable journalistic ethics. And it's pretty clear that he has very little respect for his sources in situations like this.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 06:51 PM\'] [quote name=\'JTFriends1\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 03:14 PM\']
Three Wise Men allows the player to consult with three trivia experts (men and women, Davies notes) who will be in a different part of the "Millionaire" studio. The experts will include a mix of journalists, academics and past game-show champions.
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There are a few people on this board who'd be perfect for the former contestant portion of this triumvirate. [/quote]
Noreen Wald posts here?
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The Prof is completely accurate, according to the ABC media release:
http://www.abcmedianet.com/shared/ams/asse.../021004_07.html (http://\"http://www.abcmedianet.com/shared/ams/assets/both/2004/02/06/021004_07.html\")
Wow, a contestant who keeps the 50-50 and Double Dip intact has the ultimate weapon. Could lead to some very interesting decisions...and to a complete anticlimax on the last question.
But if some intrepid contestant answers the five mill question correctly with the 50-50 and Double Dip still intact, they'll just unleash the confetti and forget the last question.
I guess.
In other Millionaire news, the syndie hit an all-time high in household count for the latest week:
http://www.zap2it.com/television/news/ratings/syndication/ (http://\"http://www.zap2it.com/television/news/ratings/syndication/\")
I gotta think that the hoopla around Super Millionaire will only help the syndie for the rest of this sweeps month. Which is a very nice side benefit for Davies and company.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 10:19 PM\'] Wow, a contestant who keeps the 50-50 and Double Dip intact has the ultimate weapon. Could lead to some very interesting decisions...and to a complete anticlimax on the last question.
But if some intrepid contestant answered the five mill question correctly with the 50-50 and Double Dip still intact, they'll just unleash the confetti and forget the last question. [/quote]
Which is not so anticlimactic after all. The DD-50/50 play means you win with a stack of 14 questions. In the unlikely event somebody gets that close, I'm sure Reege will be cued to draw out the suspense on question #14...
Notice in that news release that the "Experts" get 30 seconds to discuss the answer, just like your phone friends do.
Hey, I'm just happy the new secret-weapon lifeline isn't called "Sloppy Seconds."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:35 PM\'] (Double Dip. Was Thrifty a national drugstore chain, and if so, did they all have cheap ice cream? When I was teeny, you could get a two-scoop cone for 30 cents, and it went up as high as 65 or so (a TRIPLE was 90, and too hard to manage) before Rite-Aid bought them all out. The Chocolate Chip was EXCELLENT as cheap drugstore ice cream goes...) [/quote]
No, they weren't national...southern California only, as far as I know. I'm a little surprised that Rite Aid has kept the ice cream counters in operation at the former Thrifty stores they inherited (and they still call it "Thrifty ice cream").
At any rate, my guess is that they'll still play out the final question if the contestant gets there with the 50:50 and Double Dip lifelines intact. But I'll tell you, that would be a contestant with a big smile on his or her face.
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If these rules stay the same, preserving the 50-50 through the 100K level now becomes critically important. The 50-50, long scorned as the most useless of the three traditional lifelines, now becomes the most powerful...if you can keep it intact through the first ten questions. After all, answering the tenth question correctly with the 50-50 intact guarantees you 500K...
But only if you want to use the Double Dip/50-50 combo on the eleventh question instead of keeping the ultimate weapon for the really enormous payouts.
Devilishly clever.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 07:30 PM\'] Frankly, I think Three Wise Men is a pretty clever name.
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I am finding that this man's jib is quite similarly tailored to my own.
Besides, as Mark Jeffries said, I'm thinking that it would be similar to ATA. Just with the people wearing, say, mortarboards...
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 10:19 PM\'] The Prof is completely accurate, according to the ABC media release:
(snip)
Wow, a contestant who keeps the 50-50 and Double Dip intact has the ultimate weapon. Could lead to some very interesting decisions...and to a complete anticlimax on the last question.
But if some intrepid contestant answers the five mill question correctly with the 50-50 and Double Dip still intact, they'll just unleash the confetti and forget the last question.
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As a legitimately published academic who will have his Ph.D. before Christmas (I dearly hope!!!), I prefer to refer to Beverly as "The Perfessor" rather than legitimizing his position as "The Prof." Semantics, to be sure, but I take offense at him being given an academic title, given his quetionable ethics in journalism, the subject he supposedly "teaches" at his school. Frankly, I'm very worried about the kind of journalists he's unleashing into American newsrooms. OK, enough digression....
Now, to answer the second part, let us not forget an Alex Trebek classic, "Pitfall." Just because someone had a PitPass in hand, that didn't mean that they automatically passed safely over the elevator. I'd have to say the same with a contestant with $5 million in the bag and the Double Dip and 50-50 lifelines still intact. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be damned nervous if I were in that situation -- with millions of Americans and Canadians to be watching my every move on television the following night.
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Here's my take on the new Lifelines:
3 Wise Mem(Women) - It's a clever one for sure. There's a minor flaw; what if the 3 "experts" each give one answer instead of a majority. That would cause a contestant to change his strategy a bit.
Double Dip - Clearly the strongest lifeline yet. And if you combo the 50/50 with it, it might be too powerful. That's a flaw in of itself. Another flaw is where the combo is used at Question 15 creating an anticlimatic situation.
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I prefer to refer to Beverly as "The Perfessor" rather than legitimizing his position as "The Prof."
Sorry, but I'll call him the Prof if I want to. He's been right on top of the Super Millionaire story, getting an interesting interview with Davies and keeping up with developments on the new version of the game.
You can call him anything you want, and I'll call him anything I want. Fair enough, no?
Double Dip - Clearly the strongest lifeline yet. And if you combo the 50/50 with it, it might be too powerful. That's a flaw in of itself. Another flaw is where the combo is used at Question 15 creating an anticlimatic situation.
Again, my guess is that, if some unbelievably good or lucky contestant manages to answer the fourteenth question correctly with both the Double Dip and the 50-50 still intact, they'll just launch the celebration and avoid a complete anticlimax on the fifteenth question. The odds against this scenario look overwhelming, especially during the very limited runs that ABC seems to be planning for the game.
The real trap will come on the 30K, 50K and 100K questions. I'm sure these will be REAL nasty, designed to use up any of the first three lifelines still remaining. Will contestants do everything possible to preserve the 50-50, even if it means a significantly bigger risk on these questions?
Interesting, indeed.
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[quote name=\'JayC\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 04:29 PM\']They couldn't think of a more creative name for Three Wise Men? How about "Ask the Experts"?[/quote]
Good thing they're not doing this on the British show, or they'd have to call them the Magi so as to be politically correct (http://\"http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1042385.htm\").
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All of a sudden, I see Larry, Moe and Curly as the Three Wise Men--or should it be the Three Wise Guys?
"Spread out...!"
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:44 AM\'] Now, to answer the second part, let us not forget an Alex Trebek classic, "Pitfall." Just because someone had a PitPass in hand, that didn't mean that they automatically passed safely over the elevator. I'd have to say the same with a contestant with $5 million in the bag and the Double Dip and 50-50 lifelines still intact. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be damned nervous if I were in that situation -- with millions of Americans and Canadians to be watching my every move on television the following night. [/quote]
I thought of this, and you have a definite point. The money ain't won until the contestant realizes they've won it and takes the correct actions to do so.
Wow. Talk about interactivity...twelve million people watching, every ONE of them yelling at the screen that you have it wrapped, and you sit there in the Hot Seat and DON'T REALIZE IT. It'd be Katherine Rahm with that freakin' Pitstop all over again.
Okay. I'm marginally interested again. :)
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Love the two new Lifelines, and they're correctly placed at Tier III.
I think they may need to rename the three-expert Lifeline, but it's a great idea -- it's kinda like a three-pronged equivalent to the PAF on the online version on the two things.
The Double Dip -- esp. Tier III, is MADNESS!!! Get it to two, and take your shot, but you CAN'T BAIL!!!
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Oh God, great point!!!!
Remember, and let's hash this again and again...
50-50 + Double Dip = AUTOMATIC WIN!!!!
You think people paying attention might really be reluctant to pull the trigger on that 50-50 now??? :)
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And one more think on Professor Beverly:
I respect the man for his media background and his expertise here.
I would just suggest, for those who don't like the guy, better him by getting more respect in the field. Would you have gotten the interviews with Michael Davies for this???
(BTW, with his permission, I'd like him as one of my PAFs should I qualify.)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 10:52 AM\'] I think they may need to rename the three-expert Lifeline, but it's a great idea -- it's kinda like a three-pronged equivalent to the PAF on the online version on the two things.
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Why? Not one person has explained WHY this name has to be changed. I for one will be very dissappointed if the level of political correctness in this country has sunk to the point of having to avoid using a perfectly legitimate literary reference like "Three Wise Men" because some women got pissed off about it.
(And you can bet your bottom dollar that at least ONE of the Three Wise Men will be female at all times, to avoid this criticism. As a potential contestant I'm okay with that, as it allows for a wider potential base of knowledge, but the ultimate reasoning behind it will be no more than your typical PC crappe.)
Remember, and let's hash this again and again...
50-50 + Double Dip = AUTOMATIC WIN!!!!
You know what, let's _not_ hash it again and again. It's out there, everyone knows it now, I think we can move on.
I would just suggest, for those who don't like the guy, better him by getting more respect in the field. Would you have gotten the interviews with Michael Davies for this???
More crap. I don't have to step in s%!# to know that it stinks. The mass majority of his media "respect" has been wholly manufactured. Once you have the media convinced you're someone important, and you get that foot in the door, you're pretty much in so long as nobody finds out the truth. That's how he gets most of his interviews. As for the conference call, anyone who received the press release and could cite a press credential could have been in on that call, and he ALWAYS makes those sound a WHOLE lot more exclusive then they actually are...in reality, he was probably on the line with a hundred or more actual journalists listening to Davies talk.
It's not hard to do, all you need are the right contacts. I've been out of the business five years, and I'm pretty sure I could still make two phone calls and be in the San Jose Sharks locker room Saturday night in Columbus, if I wanted to be.
(BTW, with his permission, I'd like him as one of my PAFs should I qualify.)
It's your choice, but for the life of me I can't imagine why. As far as we know, the man has two areas of alleged expertise: journalism, and game shows. If I were to waste a PAF on the latter topic (and I'm secure enough in my own knowledge that I wouldn't, but I'm not saying I know more than everyone else, simply that I know enough that the EXTRA knowledge I would obtain from having an expert wouldn't be enough to merit using the slot on that subject), I can think of at least five people here I would READILY take before The Perfesser. As for the former subject, (which, having a minor in journalism myself, I also prolly wouldn't waste on a PAF, but anyhow) based on the various things I've seen The Perfesser do in that field over the years, I think I'd pick Larry Flynt first.
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Not that I think it should be changed, but "Three Wise Men" could be considered offensive on religious grounds as well as an affront to the fairer sex.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:02 PM\'][quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:44 AM\'] Now, to answer the second part, let us not forget an Alex Trebek classic, "Pitfall." Just because someone had a PitPass in hand, that didn't mean that they automatically passed safely over the elevator. I'd have to say the same with a contestant with $5 million in the bag and the Double Dip and 50-50 lifelines still intact. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be damned nervous if I were in that situation -- with millions of Americans and Canadians to be watching my every move on television the following night. [/quote]
I thought of this, and you have a definite point. The money ain't won until the contestant realizes they've won it and takes the correct actions to do so.
Wow. Talk about interactivity...twelve million people watching, every ONE of them yelling at the screen that you have it wrapped, and you sit there in the Hot Seat and DON'T REALIZE IT. It'd be Katherine Rahm with that freakin' Pitstop all over again.
Okay. I'm marginally interested again. :)[/quote]
Or another example - on Weakest Link, even if a team answered enough questions correctly without banking to reach the per round maximum, the next person still had to say "Bank", and do so at the proper time (I saw at least once where at first it was said too soon, but they did then say it at the proper time). I never saw anybody forget or say it too late, but if, in that case, the next question was asked I'd hate to be that person if they missed it and lost everything (gee, I wonder who'd be voted off?).
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The best way to end a dispute is to provide facts. It wasn't hard for me to check the ABC media site and find that the Prof was correct in his story on Super Millionaire's rules...at least the rules as they stand now. Maybe we'll see more tinkering before the show actually tapes.
So why all the heavy breathing about an issue that's been resolved? If somebody has personal issues with the Prof, take them to private e-mail. The address: steve@tvgameshows.net.
EDIT: Maybe I should qualify that advice a little. Of course, if you lead your e-mail to the Prof with "I don't have to step in s%!# to know that it stinks," well, you're probably not going to get very far. But if you have real concerns about his web site, it doesn't do much good to hyperventilate here. He's not going to bother with comparisons of himself to Larry Flynt published on this board. But detailed, reasonable critiques of his work in private e-mail might get a response...and maybe even some changes in his methods, if you think they're needed.
Or maybe not. But you stand a lot better chance with e-mail. A personal story...
On the predecessor to this board I once read a post accusing the Prof of violating the privacy of Randy Amasia's mother by publishing her address on his web site after Randy's death. Seemed pretty tacky to me, so I sent him an e-mail on the issue. He responded at length with his version of events, which by the way was confirmed by another e-mailer. I can't really go into details because he requested confidentiality. Suffice it to say that he made a very good case for his actions, and I might well have done the same in the situation.
Now if you just want to blow off steam by stringing together insults, that's okay. This is the Internet, after all, mankind's most effective invention for blowing off steam by stringing together insults. But if you want to influence the way the Prof does business, reasonably civil private correspondence seems a much better bet.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 07:39 PM\'] What if someone were to Carpenter and make it to the $10M question with both of those lifelines intact? What should be a Landmark Moment In Television History would be totally anticlimactic, and Davies and his posse would be the goats for blowing it. [/quote]
Nah, we'd all complain about how easy the stack was and say we'd all have all our lifelines after the first 14.
And everyone's saying that people will have 50:50/DD at 10 million like clockwork. It's not like the questions will all be 1+1. ;-)
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:58 PM\'] And one more think on Professor Beverly:
<snip>
(BTW, with his permission, I'd like him as one of my PAFs should I qualify.) [/quote]
Been done before---with disastrous results.
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[quote name=\'massman1\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 02:50 PM\']
Or another example - on Weakest Link, even if a team answered enough questions correctly without banking to reach the per round maximum, the next person still had to say "Bank", and do so at the proper time (I saw at least once where at first it was said too soon, but they did then say it at the proper time). I never saw anybody forget or say it too late, but if, in that case, the next question was asked I'd hate to be that person if they missed it and lost everything (gee, I wonder who'd be voted off?). [/quote]
Brilliant example, and yes, this has happened.
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Here's an idea for a twist:
If you choose to use both the 50/50 and "DD" on one question and after it is correctly answered, you are then forced to leave the show right then and there.
Another twist idea:
If you don't use either of the 50/50 and "DD" through the first 14, you are not permitted to go for the Jackpot question and you must walk away with *just* $5,000,000.
Just some ideas.
-Joe R.
(PS: I'd go with Merv Griffin as a PAF)
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As far as using the 50:50 and the Double Dip on the same question, it's entirely possibly that they'll have a specific rule in place to close that little loophole. If not, I'm sure they've decided that having the possibility of a guaranteed right answer on the upper level will be good for the show. In other words, we are definitely not the first people to figure out something like that could happen.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 03:56 PM\'] <snip> [/quote]
Personally, I lost respect for SB when he stole pictures of the 1975 You Don't Say from Adam Nedeff's site, told Adam he'd be credited with them when he complained, then just took them down without a second thought. Maybe that's because I haven't read his site as long as some others here. After all, had he checked his facts more closely on 4/1/02, he'd have noticed that Zentertainment and TV Barn credited each other for a story that he put as a headline on his site...."Dick Clark to host Syndicated Millionaire."
Casey, I think you'll find that getting nitpicky with Chris is not a good idea. ;-)
Anyhow, back to the topic.
The 50-50/Double Dip combo gives an interesting spin to the game. It is indeed essentially a free pass on a question if you have both, but as was mentioned above you might be so nervous that you don't use them. I say that if you're good enough to even reach the $10 million level with the 50-50/DD both intact, you deserve the money. These won't be your everyday Millionaire questions.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:56 PM\'] But if you want to influence the way the Prof does business, reasonably civil private correspondence seems a much better bet. [/quote]
The fallacy in your logic is that you think I CARE about how the Professor does business, and WANT him to improve his website. I don't, and could care less if his site were to disappear tomorrow. Starcade suggested that I was unqualified to criticize the Perfesser until I have "more respect in the field". That's a crock, and I said so. I can criticize him all I want, and it's up to each individual poster to decide on their own if my words hold weight or not, and I sleep pretty well at night either way.
[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\' Feb 11 2004, 03:17 PM\']Casey, I think you'll find that getting nitpicky with Chris is not a good idea. ;-)[/quote]
Thank you for the support, George, but me and Casey have danced before on other issues, and I'm sure he knows exactly what he's getting into. I respect his argument, but it's based on a false premise.
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My goodness. My cookies for the Game Show Forum site seem to have accidentally logged me into the Drama Queen Forum.
Does anyone with some technical expertise know how to fix this?
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Casey, I think you'll find that getting nitpicky with Chris is not a good idea. ;-)
Wasn't getting nitpicky at all, just suggesting how he might handle his differences with the Prof. He's made it obvious he's not interested in discussing issues with Beverly. He just dislikes the Prof and wants to blow off some steam. No harm in that, and no interest for me, either. So...case closed as far as I'm concerned.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 04:45 PM\']As far as using the 50:50 and the Double Dip on the same question, it's entirely possibly that they'll have a specific rule in place to close that little loophole. If not, I'm sure they've decided that having the possibility of a guaranteed right answer on the upper level will be good for the show. In other words, we are definitely not the first people to figure out something like that could happen.[/quote]
The ABC press release Aaron Barnhart posted yesterday at tvbarn.com stated quite clearly that the Double Dip/50-50 lifeline combination could very definitely occur. They do realize the possibilities.
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3 Wise Men would get yanked on PC grounds.
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I think the opportunity for the 50-50/DD automatic is going to play into a lot of strategies, but you can bet your last final answer that they will make some evil tier-II's, like the oxygen question yesterday on syndie and the like...
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And, again, if you think what the Prof does is s**t, DO IT BETTER!!
Could you get that interview with Davies??? You may not care how he does business, but that he's able to do the business in that way means someone in high places thinks he knows what he is talking about...
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Don Howard: I think the Prof would factor that into his decision -- he openly regretted the freeze, IIRC. Let's just say I'm the type of person who will have trouble filling five spots.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Feb 12 2004, 04:10 PM\'] And, again, if you think what the Prof does is s**t, DO IT BETTER!! [/quote]
You can yell as loud as you want, it doesn't change the fact that this is a fallacious argument, and I'm not going to bother repeating why.
Could you get that interview with Davies???
If I'd spent years pimping myself as the self-professed "expert" in the field, yes, I could. I've chosen not to do so. I have better things to do with my time, and something called "ethics".
You may not care how he does business, but that he's able to do the business in that way means someone in high places thinks he knows what he is talking about...
And I explained to you why this doesn't mean diddly over squat either, but it appears you're just going to do the broken-record thing, so this isn't worth continuing.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 08:07 AM\']
I prefer to refer to Beverly as "The Perfessor" rather than legitimizing his position as "The Prof."
Sorry, but I'll call him the Prof if I want to. He's been right on top of the Super Millionaire story, getting an interesting interview with Davies and keeping up with developments on the new version of the game.
You can call him anything you want, and I'll call him anything I want. Fair enough, no?
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Last I looked, it's a free country, and you can call him what you wish. I certainly will do so. No one told you (prior to my post) that you couldn't call him what you want. I stated my preferences and my reasons for having them.
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[quote name=\'massman1\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 02:50 PM\'] Or another example - on Weakest Link, even if a team answered enough questions correctly without banking to reach the per round maximum, the next person still had to say "Bank", and do so at the proper time (I saw at least once where at first it was said too soon, but they did then say it at the proper time). I never saw anybody forget or say it too late, but if, in that case, the next question was asked I'd hate to be that person if they missed it and lost everything (gee, I wonder who'd be voted off?). [/quote]
Excuse me if someone posted this, and I missed it:
It did happen once -- it was on the TV Mom's special on Anne's version. They had the $125,000 and the player who had to bank (the mom on Happy Days) didn't call out bank and MISSED HER QUESTION! She didn't last much longer on the show, as I recall.
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[quote name=\'starcade\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:55 PM\'] Oh God, great point!!!!
Remember, and let's hash this again and again...
50-50 + Double Dip = AUTOMATIC WIN!!!!
You think people paying attention might really be reluctant to pull the trigger on that 50-50 now??? :) [/quote]
Not automatic win. Read my post above and Chris Lemon's reply to it. Theoretically, you're right, but you're probably not going to be in that Hot Seat with all the lights shining on your head and all the cameras capturing your every grimace and twist of the lip.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 01:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'massman1\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 02:50 PM\'] Or another example - on Weakest Link, even if a team answered enough questions correctly without banking to reach the per round maximum, the next person still had to say "Bank", and do so at the proper time (I saw at least once where at first it was said too soon, but they did then say it at the proper time). I never saw anybody forget or say it too late, but if, in that case, the next question was asked I'd hate to be that person if they missed it and lost everything (gee, I wonder who'd be voted off?). [/quote]
Excuse me if someone posted this, and I missed it:
It did happen once -- it was on the TV Mom's special on Anne's version. They had the $125,000 and the player who had to bank (the mom on Happy Days) didn't call out bank and MISSED HER QUESTION! She didn't last much longer on the show, as I recall. [/quote]
Ah...thanks Dr.
I mentioned above that it happened, and I was as sure as anything that I saw it, but couldn't remember for the life of me when.
T
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 10:35 AM\'] [quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 01:16 AM\'] [quote name=\'massman1\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 02:50 PM\'] Or another example - on Weakest Link, even if a team answered enough questions correctly without banking to reach the per round maximum, the next person still had to say "Bank", and do so at the proper time (I saw at least once where at first it was said too soon, but they did then say it at the proper time). I never saw anybody forget or say it too late, but if, in that case, the next question was asked I'd hate to be that person if they missed it and lost everything (gee, I wonder who'd be voted off?). [/quote]
Excuse me if someone posted this, and I missed it:
It did happen once -- it was on the TV Mom's special on Anne's version. They had the $125,000 and the player who had to bank (the mom on Happy Days) didn't call out bank and MISSED HER QUESTION! She didn't last much longer on the show, as I recall. [/quote]
Ah...thanks Dr.
I mentioned above that it happened, and I was as sure as anything that I saw it, but couldn't remember for the life of me when.
T [/quote]
Oh, I remembered that episode. Ooh, that had to hurt.
And actually, it was the $75,000 question that was missed. That mom didn't get the boot until the end of Round 6.
Anyway, on an episode featuring players who made it to the Final Round and lost, the $125,000 target WAS banked in the First Round, but with 2 chains: A $75,000 chain, and a $50,000 chain. The player who banked after the $75,000 question got the boot, because, as the team said, She banked too early, when they could've ran a full chain (8 in a row, banking at the $125,000 level)
Anyway, does anyone have any info on if Enhanced TV will be active for this version?
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I like it, only thing that worries me is that the fall is SO great that no one would even try above a million, they just will bomb their lifelines to get the mil then bail, Its just so steep a fall I wouldnt be suprised that no one even attempts a 2.5 Q
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 08:12 PM\'] Oh, I remembered that episode. Ooh, that had to hurt.
And actually, it was the $75,000 question that was missed. That mom didn't get the boot until the end of Round 6. [/quote]
Right -- the chain already had a goodly amount of money in it, but had the player banked, it would have totaled $125,000. Thanks for the clairification.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 09:28 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 08:12 PM\'] Oh, I remembered that episode. Ooh, that had to hurt.
And actually, it was the $75,000 question that was missed. That mom didn't get the boot until the end of Round 6. [/quote]
Right -- the chain already had a goodly amount of money in it, but had the player banked, it would have totaled $125,000. Thanks for the clairification. [/quote]
Oh, right, I almost forgot:
There was $75,000 already in the bank, until the 2nd go around.
But, unlike the syndie version, I didn't hear the audience going "OHHHH!" in the background, when that mom missed the $75,000 question. (Usually, on the syndie version, when the target question was missed, the audience went "OHHHH!")
If any of you have this episode on tape, check it, and if any of you catch the audience going "OHHHH!" when the $75,000 question was missed let me know.
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joeraygor2000:
Here's an idea for a twist:
If you choose to use both the 50/50 and "DD" on one question and after it is correctly answered, you are then forced to leave the show right then and there.
Not a very good one. You leave when you damn well feel like it, or you voluntarily answer a question and get it wrong.
Another twist idea:
If you don't use either of the 50/50 and "DD" through the first 14, you are not permitted to go for the Jackpot question and you must walk away with *just* $5,000,000.
I can just imagine an epsiode from November 1999:
Regis: So, John, you've correctly answered 14 questions with no help at all, made a mockery of the idea of the lifelines, and won $500,000. Normally, we'd let you try for the big bucks, but since you didn't need any help, you don't even get a look at the question.
Not a chance in hell that this would fly.
Travis Eberle
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I do agree with the above poster that it won't be a gimme with the 50/50 and the DD. On the website, it keeps saying that the game will "morph" into something we have never seen. Unless that just means changing the music and the lifelines, I think it is definitely possibly there are 6 choices, and the 50/50/DD leave you with 3.
They continually say "morph", so I think all of us assuming that, what's always been will always be, isn't exactly correct...but we'll know in 6 days. :)
Brent
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[quote name=\'Starkman\' date=\'Feb 13 2004, 07:37 PM\'] I like it, only thing that worries me is that the fall is SO great that no one would even try above a million, they just will bomb their lifelines to get the mil then bail, Its just so steep a fall I wouldnt be suprised that no one even attempts a 2.5 Q [/quote]
Yup, I agree. I'm assuming the question difficulty is going to be ramped up. I think we're going to see a lot of bailing at 50K, with really tough 100K questions. A few folks might get the 100K, use both new lifelines to get the "free guess" for 500K and then walk. There'll probably be one person who gets a million then walks.
The last thing in the world they're worried about is the final question being anti-climactic because of saved up lifelines. It ain't going to get there.
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I do agree with the above poster that it won't be a gimme with the 50/50 and the DD. On the website, it keeps saying that the game will "morph" into something we have never seen. Unless that just means changing the music and the lifelines, I think it is definitely possibly there are 6 choices, and the 50/50/DD leave you with 3.
Can't be. The official rules on the abc.com website specifically say that for each of the questions, one of the four answers is correct.