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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Chelsea Thrasher on May 17, 2017, 06:40:06 AM
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http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/snoop-dogg-jokers-wild-1202429961/amp/
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I think this is going to be more like Card Sharks 2001 than TJW or TTD '90, I'm afraid.
Brian
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Maybe we should be thankful that ABC got to Pyramid before Snoop did.
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And if Snoop does to "The Joker's Wild" what Ice Cube did to "Hollywood Squares"/"Hip Hop Squares", is that a bad thing? No one will put a pistol up to your head and force you to watch it.
"Hip Hop Squares" is one of the most-watched shows on VH1, got renewed for a second season, and actually generated some conversation among my high school students a few weeks back after I mentioned the original Squares to several of them for some reason. Think about it--teenagers talking about a game show in 2017. Any buzz is good buzz. (And then I bluntly told the students I haven't seen much of the updated show since if I can name more than one celebrity per show, it's a minor miracle and that highly flawed end game which highly favors the contestant to which I said, "Why not do more game play and then automatically double all money earned for the high scorer at the show's end?")
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The Sony Pictures Television half-hour program will be set in a faux casino with giant dice, playing cards, streetwise questions and problem solving — in addition to the giant slot machine featured in the original.
Dice? Cards? Problem solving?
But The Jokers Wild (as we all know) is a game of definitions!!!
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That is.........random. Mind you, I'll prolly check it out, but it's definitely not what I expected to wake up to.
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Jack Barry could be rolling in his grave any second now at the sight of a Snoop Dogg-hosted Joker's Wild...
/What's next, a High Rollers reboot with Eminem?
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I will watch the HELL out of this.
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Who knows if this will work (though some of the producers are coming from $100K Pyramid- so that could help), but we'll see..
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Can't feel too bad about the return of game shows, but Mr. "Get off my lawn" has two concerns. (a) Titles, like words, have meanings. If you're going to do another reboot of Ironside, I'd avoid having the lead walk around on two good legs. "Snoop's Casino" would be more like it. (b) The article I read mentioned they were also shooting for a comedy vibe. Some games are geared for comedy. Today, this seems to be a strong first goal. This is a disturbing trend. Many producers and distributors are looking at classic game formats with an eye toward turning them into alternative sitcoms, forcing laughs instead of them happening naturally. An exciting, tight well-played game like JOKER or PYRAMID can be fun all the time, but it doesn't have to be funny all the time. NFL ratings down? Let's give all the players clown shoes, red sponge noses, and the quarterback can tell jokes between signal calls. That should bring viewers in. A good game is entertaining by itself. I'll wish it well, however. Now if you'll excuse me, Matlock just came on...
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Jack Barry could be rolling in his grave any second now at the sight of a Snoop Dogg-hosted Joker's Wild...
/What's next, a High Rollers reboot with Eminem?
Quiet! Don't give 'em any ideas.
As for Snoop hosting Joker, to quote Arte Johnson from Laugh In, "Verrrry interesting."
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What helps is, unlike Pyramid or Match, Joker hasn't aired a new episode im almost 30 years and it hasn't aired on GSN (I think) since that Top 50 marathon back in 2006.
It's not a show that's had a heavy presence, so the younger crowd will just see Snoop hosting a game show set in a casino, knowing nothing about Jack Barry. Mike's Hip Hop Squares comparison is perfect. The fanbois may cry foul, but I think it could work, esp. considering Snoop now hosts a cooking show with Martha Stewart.
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It might be a good show in its own right; it just sounds like it's even further removed from the source material than Pat Finn's show.
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Mike's Hip Hop Squares comparison is perfect. The fanbois may cry foul, but I think it could work,
The problem I'm seeing with the comparison is that Squares was pretty much always a comedic Q&A, whereas Joker was pretty much always a straightforward quiz.
Otherwise, The Ol' Guy pretty much summed up my thoughts on this.
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Mike's Hip Hop Squares comparison is perfect. The fanbois may cry foul, but I think it could work,
The problem I'm seeing with the comparison is that Squares was pretty much always a comedic Q&A, whereas Joker was pretty much always a straightforward quiz.
Otherwise, The Ol' Guy pretty much summed up my thoughts on this.
Sure, but outside of this forum, the 18-34 demo doesn't care about straightforward Q&A because most of those people don't even know who Jack Barry or Dan Enright are, let alone this show. The draw is not gonna be the questions, it's the giant slot machine. So if it takes a Street Smarts approach instead of Fast Forward and Faces in the News, I don't think it's the end of the world.
I need to re-read the article, but I don't think the folks behind this are going to massacre the TJW name as much as some are fearing. Just one year ago, we thought Match Game '16 would suck.
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[Snoop] Here are the categories for today's game:
CHEECH & CHONG MOVIES
LARRY'S MOE'S AND HEMPS
THE WORLDS HIGHEST...
BONG-O-ROCK
and THE MYSTERY DRUG CATEGORY. Take it and get doubly high [/Snoop].
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I agree that a great number of today's young viewers have no inkling of the past format, and so the title will be married to the new game and live or die on its own merits. As long as they're entertained, the title won't matter. Nick's Double Dare managed to overcome having the same title as the Goodson failure by having nothing that associated with the previous game. Since Dan Enright was mentioned, I share one of his concerns involving reboots. I'd think more than one of us here would like to see some variation of the pure Barry format come back in the future. Enright took the cancellation of the last Tic Tac Dough very hard, because his choices led to a title that was twice associated with success turn into one that would now conjure up images of "flop", wondering if anyone would want to give the show another try. The title was tarnished. Shows like Squares have had successful runs and succumbed to eventual audience fatigue. No shame in that. Like Feud, a few years off the air, and a fresh version could come along. Squares never flopped. If Snoop's version clicks, fine. If it flops - would it hurt chances for a revitalized Barry version? Just some thoughts for what they're worth...
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If it flops - would it hurt chances for a revitalized Barry version? Just some thoughts for what they're worth...
I don't think so...no worse than Pyramid, with the GSN version only going for a season. If this were for syndication, I'd say maybe, but my fear is that basic cable game shows seem to come and go, then fade into obscurity. Remember Comedy Central's Gong Show?
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Nick's Double Dare managed to overcome having the same title as the Goodson failure by having nothing that associated with the previous game.
The difference there seems to me to be that the CBS Double Dare was a four-month flop - had it run for eight years and finally ended its run in 1984 as a beloved hit, Nickelodeon would never had been able to launch a game show under that title.
As for TJW...who knows, I'll try to reserve judgement.
my fear is that basic cable game shows seem to come and go, then fade into obscurity. Remember Comedy Central's Gong Show?
I've been trying for nine years to forget Comedy Central's Gong Show. A even better example in my mind might be Beat The Geeks - that one was fairly successful even, but then one day it just went away and it seems unlikely to me that anyone remembers it now.
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At the risk of hijacking the thread, I'd like to take a shot at the categories for his first show...
OLD SCHOOL SHIZZLE
HOW HIGH WILL YOU GO?
DOPE-ASS BIZZLE
POT LUCK (natch)
FAST FORWARD NIZZLE
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They've since corrected it, but Deadline had the host of the original show as "Chuck Barry." Caused a nice spit-take with my morning beverage.
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That is.........random. Mind you, I'll prolly check it out, but it's definitely not what I expected to wake up to.
It's more of something you'd wake-and-bake to.
But this could work, right? Snoop seems like someone who genuinely likes game shows, given his appearances on Price and Pyramid. It really does depend on what kind of show they build around him. I'm certainly not passing any judgment until some actual format details start dropping.
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until some actual format details start dropping.
You may assume they will do so in a well-heated manner.
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That is.........random. Mind you, I'll prolly check it out, but it's definitely not what I expected to wake up to.
It's more of something you'd wake-and-bake to.
until some actual format details start dropping.
You may assume they will do so in a well-heated manner.
Points to both of you. :)
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I think given the recent reboot of shows and some of the surprises with hosting, I will take the "wait and see" approach. I will not hold my breath, but I will certainly keep an open mind.
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Ran across this: https://youtu.be/AGiY9DQOWSA (https://youtu.be/AGiY9DQOWSA)
Soon to join them, "Joker...JOKER...Famous Quotations."
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Seems like High Rollers would have been a much more logical chipoice given Snoop's involvement, but I digress.
18-34 doesn't like straight quizzes- hell, half of my friends won't even come to trivia night, where cheap beer and half price apps will lure just about anyone, because they fear looking and sounding stupid. Not to say Joker has ever been a brain buster, but perception is everything.
The right people seem to be involved on this one, and considering their track record with the ABC revivals, I'm more than willing to give this a fair shake.
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Looks like they just opened two tape dates on August 30 and 31 in Culver City.
https://1iota.com/Show/672/Jokers-Wild
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Looks like they're taping at Sony Pictures Studios. I dig the suit, along with Snoop's tux.
/What is that...velvet?
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I'll watch the first show just to see how Snoop makes his entrance. I wonder if it will be through a cloud of smoke.
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I'll watch the first show just to see how Snoop makes his entrance. I wonder if it will be through a cloud of smoke.
From his dressing room? Definitely!!!
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I just saw an ad on TBS for this and Method Man's new show, both "coming to TBS." Knowing how TBS has advertised their shows in the past like "Angie Tribeca" and "Search Party", they may be advertising both shows in August for a January 2018 premiere. No, nothing from the show was shown, just Snoop and Method Man being served by a cocktail waitress.
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I just saw an ad on TBS for this and Method Man's new show, both "coming to TBS." Knowing how TBS has advertised their shows in the past like "Angie Tribeca" and "Search Party", they may be advertising both shows in August for a January 2018 premiere. No, nothing from the show was shown, just Snoop and Method Man being served by a cocktail waitress.
Coming in October, per the show's Twitter.. https://mobile.twitter.com/JokersWildTBS (https://mobile.twitter.com/JokersWildTBS)
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Some photos from the set:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYfXTWmDfF2
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYedKYClJTx
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BYedKYClJTx
Looks like they got some category inspiration from our thread???
That being said, I love the detail they put into the wheel, giving a generous nod to the original.
/If they went the Kline & Friends way, instead of "flashing light" eyes, would there have been a picture of Snoop above the wheels with smoke coming out of his mouth?
//Or will that idea be used for Snoop's reboot of Hot Potato???
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Love the category designs on the wheels, as well as the Snoop "Joker" caricature. Might have to re-subscribe to Sling just so I can catch this.
/Having each slide say THE-JOKER'S-WILD is a nice touch
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That looks like there are actual moving parts to the slot machine, as opposed to a graphic representation of spinning wheels. Props on the props, there. Based on the executive team in charge, who opted for a mechanical Pyramid, that's not a surprise.
I like the Joker spaces, too, with the Snoop caricature. I have to admit, for decades I never understood the joker graphic on classic version. I thought it was some sort of a weird abstract creature walking to the right. Only a couple of years ago did I actually see it was a human jester doing a handstand. I am amazed how long it eluded me, although to my defense, antenna reception was always dicey in that era.
Categories seem to be right down the line with what we expected, although it seems they aren't doing a straight Q&A or a [huge sigh] game of definitions.
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I have to admit, for decades I never understood the joker graphic on classic version. I thought it was some sort of a weird abstract creature walking to the right.
I wasn't the only one then, although it only took me until the late 70's to figure that one out. ;-)
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That looks like there are actual moving parts to the slot machine, as opposed to a graphic representation of spinning wheels.
To me, it looks like the upper and lower panels are some kind of convex TV monitor (with the center panels being ordinary flat monitors). If they can make a concave television, I don't see why they couldn't also make a convex one, especially with Sony having a hand in this. There seems to be a similar technology involved on the "walls" on either side of the wheels.
Still, that's not to take anything away from the way the slot machine is presented. It looks appropriately impressive.
Really, the only thing that bothers me is the word "MOV." Did they just run out of room on the graphic, or is that an acceptable slangy way of spelling "move" ("movie"?) that I'm unaware of?
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Really, the only thing that bothers me is the word "MOV." Did they just run out of room on the graphic, or is that an acceptable slangy way of spelling "move" ("movie"?) that I'm unaware of?
I'm sure that's supposed to be "Snoop Groove or Porn Mov(ie)," i.e. "is this title from Snoop's oeuvre, or is it the title of an adult film?" Maybe they were worried about "porn move" being something else?
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I'm sure that's supposed to be "Snoop Groove or Porn Mov(ie)," i.e. "is this title from Snoop's oeuvre, or is it the title of an adult film?" Maybe they were worried about "porn move" being something else?
My initial guess is that they would play a snippet of a song and the player would have to guess if it was from one of Snoop's songs (i.e. a "Snoop groove") or an adult film, but your idea makes more sense.
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Man, the set looks incredibly well done.
Not crazy about the Joker slide. It's just a drawing, almost a carnival caricature, not an icon. That and I'd prefer Snoop as the devil. The original joker was a bit different, but that's what makes it unique to the show. The graphic design on Joker, TPIR and Gambit (despite it's dull set) was really great.
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That and I'd prefer Snoop as the devil... The graphic design on Joker, TPIR and Gambit (despite it's dull set) was really great.
Can't go with you there. Snoop is the host. Whatever one might think of his "dietary supplementation," he's there to help the player win, not lose.
(Also, I wasn't much of a fan of the original Gambit design. Maybe that's just because I never saw a full-set shot.)
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Snoop is the host. Whatever one might think of his "dietary supplementation," he's there to help the player win, not lose.
(Also, I wasn't much of a fan of the original Gambit design. Maybe that's just because I never saw a full-set shot.)
Jack Barry was the host, too, and the devil looked like him. That's more why I was thinking that.
And yes, the Gambit set was outdated even in 1972, but the playing cards, Gambit Board cards and the logo typeface looked great.
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We might have a debut date for the new Joker's Wild. According to this page (http://www.news-herald.com/arts-and-entertainment/20170908/fall-tv-when-and-where-all-the-shows-premiere), Drop the Mic, which has been paired up with The Joker's Wild in ads on TBS, debuts at 10 PM on Thursday, October 26. I'm thinking The Joker's Wild will take the 10:30 PM slot that night.
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TBS just showed a promo with game footage. Top prize is $25,000. It looks real spiffy. The game play...TBD.
The promo should air on TBS' west coast feed during the first commercial break of the 10:30 AM Eastern/7:30 AM Pacific rerun of "Married...with Children." (And probably 600 times after that.) Surely, TBS will pop it on YT or Twitter very soon.
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The TJW Twitter account tweeted a picture of the set (https://twitter.com/JokersWildTBS/status/910232069778870272). Pretty slick!
There's some other pictures in the Media section.
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The TJW Twitter account tweeted a picture of the set (https://twitter.com/JokersWildTBS/status/910232069778870272). Pretty slick!
There's some other pictures in the Media section.
I can definitely see a nod to the old set with the staging - I really like this!
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I have access to advance schedules for the Turner networks, and "Snoop Dogg Presents The Joker's Wild" episode #101 is scheduled for Tuesday, October 24th at 10:30 p.m. Eastern. Drop the Mic premieres at 10 p.m. that night.
TJW then repeats about five more times throughout the week in varying time slots (morning, afternoon, overnight) so it will be impossible to miss.
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$420, $420, $420!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GRzl05ufGQ
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I guess you'd call that the ultimate "natural triple"...
They seem to be doing a ton for this- there's not only an app coming, they're doing a behind the scenes series online, as well as a Snapchat feature...
http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2017/09/27/tbs-launches-into-unscripted-on-october-24-with-snoop-dogg-presents-the-jokers-wild-and-drop-the-mic-912111/20170927tbs01/
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After watching the promo, I'm quite intrigued.
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This afternoon at 4:20pm ;) they posted a behind-the-scenes vignette on TJW's Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/JokersWildTBS/status/918979682388795392
Did not realize that Michael Strahan is involved in this.
I'm pretty excited by what I'm seeing.
Curt
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they're doing a behind the scenes series online
The first episode of it (about six minutes long) is now on TBS's YouTube page:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79NKFBS7PU.
According to the narrator, Snoop's performance here is going to "reinvent the role of game show host as we know it".
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According to the narrator, Snoop's performance here is going to "reinvent the role of game show host as we know it".
As we know, Snoop Dogg is a host of definitions.
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I’m really digging what I’ve seen so far. I wasn’t sure about Snoop but I kind of love the vibe he gives off here. It looks like he’s having a lot of fun with it and that he’s really invested in the contestants winning.
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Next part of the behind the scenes is up:
https://youtu.be/cRAEZ8-mGHE
(I’m getting a bit of a Remote Control-type vibe here myself)
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My takeaway from the first episode: I like the set!
End of message.
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My takeaway from the first episode: I like the set!
End of message.
I think that pretty much sums it up. That said, the set for National Bingo Night was enough to keep me coming back, and Snoop was earnest enough and clearly having a good time. I'll keep watching.
/wouldn't mind if Snoop made his entrance through a cloud of smoke
//they would save a fortune on the smoke machine
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I liked it for what it was, a vehicle for Snoop’s persona. I find him charming and he seemed to really be enjoying himself and rooting for the players. He kept things moving as well. I could see him settling into the role nicely. It was fun to watch and the set is gorgeous!
Random observations:
The cohost adds nothing.
Hyper contestant syndrome!
Odd that you can’t take Jokers off the board but maybe this was to keep the rules simple.
Questions were way easy.
I kind of liked the mini games within the categories. Didn’t change the structure of the game but still added some variety. A bit awkwardly staged with the dice though.
The 420 references will get old fast!
Liked the slot machine sound effects.
The bonus round pacing seemed off to me. Hopefully they can work on that a little. Was surprised they kept the bonus pretty much the same.
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The cohost adds nothing.
The cohost adds cover to the fact that Dogg is in no way shape or form an actual game show host, as pointed out elsewhere.
Odd that you can’t take Jokers off the board but maybe this was to keep the rules simple.
It absolutely was.
Questions were way easy.
It's The Joker's Wild, Jake.
The 420 references will get old fast!
It's Snoop Dogg, Jake.
Folks, as soon as you saw that the title was "Snoop Dogg Presents Teh Joker's Wild" and noted that Snoop's name was ahead of the show's, your expectations should have been MUCH lower than they apparently were.
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A little bit of "High Rollers" and the Head To Head "Match Game" match thrown in for good measure. I did like it and will be back next week.
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There's now a Facebook (https://jokers.tbs.io/) game as well.
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I didn't know what to expect, but I was pleasantly surprised. They took the original format, added some twists to it and upped the money values. The set looked flashy and so did Snoop in that tux. I get that Snoop's not looking to be the next Monty or Wink, he just wants to have some fun and give away money. I will watch this again. I got a good vibe from this, unlike Hip Hop Squares.
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I watched about 15 minutes and had to turn it off.
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There is always an eternal challenge that exists within any thought of reviving a classic game show.
How do you update a show to make it work for today's audience? Can you freshen it up without taking away from what made the show a classic in the first place? Or is a show doomed to just be a product of its time?
From what I saw, as well as the people who group chatted with me, I can say without question that this Joker met the challenge and succeeded. The new category styles (roll for how many clues you get, match game quickies) are fun and fresh but still keep the game moving. I was cracking up at The Dogg Whisperer, loved Nuff Said, so I look forward to seeing those again. And the references to Snoop's life, well, we knew from the previews they were gonna be a little tongue-in-cheek here. There's a reason it's on at 10 on cable. But even that doesn't take away from the game beyond a tiniest degree.
As for Snoop himself, the previews showed that, yes, he's not a host like the ones we grew up on. But he also proved that he's not in this just for the paycheck like other celebrity/comedian "hosts". He came in with a love for the show, and he took his training seriously to learn not just the game, but his role and job in it, inside and out. You can argue that Jeannie Mai is there strictly to cover up his weaknesses, but I honestly see her as perfectly complementary to Snoop's. If Snoop was poor in his half of things, it would be more apparent. But he's not, so it's actually a solid team.
All in all, they got this right. I enjoyed and will continue to do so.
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I just finished watching the episode...or rather, I started skipping through after the first five minutes. It wasn't bad, per se...just kinda meh. Snoop is clearly enjoying himself, but the edited-to-hell-and-back style didn't seem to give him (or the contestants) much chance to shine.
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I had fun watching it. Most modern revivals strike me as “meh.” “Jokers Dizzle” was innocuous enough to get a few laughs. It’s more of a comedy thing than a straight quiz (which makes old school TJW boring)
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I went into the show with an open mind and I enjoyed it for what it was. It's a respectful nod to the original version. I like some of the different question types and with the show being self contained, I like that there were new categories at the halfway point. You kind of know what you are going to get with Snoop Dogg hosting, but he really seemed to enjoy himself, and he wanted the contestants to win. It definitely didn't feel like he was phoning it in. I'll keep watching.
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They've been pretty loyal to the source material other than making it a vehicle for Snoop's humor, which doesn't offend me, so I feel like it's pretty good.
Other than the categories that were pretty much literally "read someone's mind," my biggest gameplay nitpick is that, if the bonus round we saw was typical, the amounts on the wheels added up to the jackpot quickly enough that there wasn't much time to build up suspense.
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Other than the categories that were pretty much literally "read someone's mind," my biggest gameplay nitpick is that, if the bonus round we saw was typical, the amounts on the wheels added up to the jackpot quickly enough that there wasn't much time to build up suspense.
Do they, though? A $2000 top value on the reels when the goal is $10,000 is proportional to a $200 top value when $1000 was the goal. I believe it took 4 spins to win the bonus round in the premiere, which sounds pretty consistent with the original version.
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Other than the categories that were pretty much literally "read someone's mind," my biggest gameplay nitpick is that, if the bonus round we saw was typical, the amounts on the wheels added up to the jackpot quickly enough that there wasn't much time to build up suspense.
Do they, though? A $2000 top value on the reels when the goal is $10,000 is proportional to a $200 top value when $1000 was the goal. I believe it took 4 spins to win the bonus round in the premiere, which sounds pretty consistent with the original version.
I'm pretty sure that the episode Saturday night only took three spins and it didn't feel like there was a lot of time between the spins, but that may just be that I'm used to 2017 where every major reveal or decision has at least a 10-second pause, if not a full-on commercial break, beforehand.
The amounts are in line with adding a zero, but the distribution seems top-heavier, or at least the sub-$1000 amounts didn't come up nearly as often in my sample size of 1 as I remember sub-$100 amounts coming up in Barry's day.
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There's also the issue that Beat Teh Devil was a bonus game designed to play on a show that straddled, so it was over with a little quicker than some.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see it and I'm glad it's there, but that might be a reason it looks odd after a drawn-out seven-round game.