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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Kniwt on July 23, 2007, 05:36:45 PM
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(Edit to add link)
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_TV_Price_Carey.html (http://\"http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_TV_Price_Carey.html\")
NEW YORK (AP) -- Genial comic Drew Carey was tapped Monday to replace silver-haired legend Bob Barker on the CBS daytime game show "The Price is Right."
Carey confirmed the deal during a taping of the "Late Show" with David Letterman.
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I just got an unofficial but well-connected heads-up to watch Letterman tonight, so it looks like this deal is done.
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I'm on board early by saying : Good pick.
Finally, i'm once again looking forward to this seasons PIR.
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I'm looking through the AP wire at work. It's confirmed.
Here's an article from a Seattle news outlet. (http://\"http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/1401AP_TV_Price_Carey.html\")
As I mentioned in another thread, this is a good choice, and not just because of the resemblance to Bill Cullen (when he wears his glasses). He's good on his toes, and unlike Steines or Newton, his name is recognized by folks outside the game show fanbase. Doesn't hurt that he ran two successful shows within the last five years that both get heavy rotation in reruns.
Now what was that about there being no way in you-know-what (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13115&view=findpost&p=155752\") that he's getting this job?
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Yeah, I just got a call from a Letterman staffer I know. It's good, as previously stated.
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WLS ABC7 in Chicago also has the same AP article. (http://\"http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=nation_world&id=5502308\")
Boy, what a bad time for golden-road.net to be down...
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'158300\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 04:39 PM\']
I'm on board early by saying : Good pick.
Finally, i'm once again looking forward to this seasons PIR.
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What he said.
I'm actually quite intrigued. Hope it works out for Drew.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'158303\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:46 PM\']
WLS ABC7 in Chicago also has the same AP article. (http://\"http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=nation_world&id=5502308\")
Boy, what a bad time for golden-road.net to be down...
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Y'know, I'd love to know what some of the die-hards think about that. I'm pretty sure some have crapped enough bricks to build a new mansion. The ones who would boycott if someone other than Todd is chosen.
/Regardless, they'll be there watching in September.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'158303\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:46 PM\']
Boy, what a bad time for golden-road.net to be down...[/quote]
I though the same thing when I checked there.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158305\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:49 PM\']Y'know, I'd love to know what some of the die-hards think about that. I'm pretty sure some have crapped enough bricks to build a new mansion. The ones who would boycott if someone other than Todd is chosen.[/quote]
In fairness, the last time I checked the thread about Drew over there, the comments were very similar to those here. Several liked him, several were indifferent, and even most of the ones who were against him had logical concerns and addressed them in a reasonable way.
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What a difference a day makes...yesterday, I cast a "no" vote for the Drew Carey poll here, but now that it's official...I have to be honest, I am cautiously optimistic. Drew seems to have a handle on what the show needs (the "respect" quote), and hopefully, the staff has an idea of how to help the new guy settle into the role. If it was up to me, I'd suggest keeping a much smaller rotation of games for the first few weeks, and gradually sneak the rest of the games back onto the show as Drew gets more comfortable.
This should be fun.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'158306\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158305\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:49 PM\']Y'know, I'd love to know what some of the die-hards think about that. I'm pretty sure some have crapped enough bricks to build a new mansion. The ones who would boycott if someone other than Todd is chosen.[/quote]
In fairness, the last time I checked the thread about Drew over there, the comments were very similar to those here. Several liked him, several were indifferent, and even most of the ones who were against him had logical concerns and addressed them in a reasonable way.
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All right, I stand (or sit) corrected, so apologies for the unfair stereotype.
Now, memo to CBS: as you've already seen, Todd Newton is one of the best kept secrets in TV right now (game show or otherwise). If you ever consider adding more daytime games (longshot) or through your syndication units (CBS Paramount or King World), please look at Todd for hosting considerations. Or better yet, something in primetime.
/and I don't mean the sideshows on another "Gameshow Marathon"
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Best of luck to Mr. Carey.
(Funny thing is, this is the second Drew Carey Show star to star in a CBS program. What's next, "The Late Show with Ryan Stiles"?)
/Complete with either Diedrich Bader or Colin Mochrie as the bumbling sidekick
//okay, okay, I shouldn't give CBS ideas...
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I personally have mixed feelings about this. Will Drew evoke the same performance on Price as Louie Anderson did on Family Feud (thank GAWD he wasn't under consideration) or will he at least do as good a job as the Masters (Barker and Cullen)? I plan to watch the first week to make at least a passable judgement. I wish Drew the best of luck but also warn him to do a good job, for the love of criminy, do a good job!
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[quote name=\'BMaurice06\' post=\'158315\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 06:02 PM\']
I plan to watch the first week to make at least a passable judgement. I wish Drew the best of luck but also warn him to do a good job, for the love of criminy, do a good job!
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You cannot compare the first week of work to what Bob and Bill did for 35 and nine years, respectively. It's just not fair. It'll take some time, and in your case, some patience. Just chill.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158305\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:49 PM\']
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'158303\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:46 PM\']
WLS ABC7 in Chicago also has the same AP article. (http://\"http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=nation_world&id=5502308\")
Boy, what a bad time for golden-road.net to be down...
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Y'know, I'd love to know what some of the die-hards think about that.[/quote]
This one's just glad there's a freakin' host again.
Seriously, I had my doubts about Carey, but after reading people's comments here, I'm becoming more and more optimistic.
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Nothing I've read so far would suggest that Drew will be executive producer. If that is the case, it's a very good thing.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158319\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 06:14 PM\']
Nothing I've read so far would suggest that Drew will be executive producer. If that is the case, it's a very good thing.
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Two questions:
1. Does Drew have the authority to get EP clout? Just wondering since he's technically the FNG among game show producing vets.
1.5. Then again, Rosie had her ideas as well...
2. Would Dobkowitz be the likely EP candidate, given his tenure?
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I don't know about Drew's clout, but I've known Roger for 32 years (since before I went to work for G-T) and he MORE THAN deserves to become E.P.
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I guess CBS must have liked his work on "Power of 10" while he was taping it. We'll see if "TPIR" or "Power of 10" works better for Drew Carey.
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If anyone can associate with the college crowd that seems to be the majority of the audience of late, Drew is the perfect candidate!
Maybe now, we'll see more younger-skewing commercials and less of Wilford Brimley and his travelling DI-A-BEE-TISS show. :-)
<Rich Fields> "Contestants not appearing on stage will receive....Buzz Beer!!!" </RF>
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less of Wilford Brimley and his travelling DI-A-BEE-TISS show
Dear Lord, one can only hope. And we could do with a lot fewer ads for mobility scooters.
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Good choice, I look forward to seeing how this pans out. I am a Todd Newton fan as well and hope someone wakes up and gives him a gig (when one opens).
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One interesting thing about the choice is how far Drew is from the prototype game show host, that is, he's no Rossi as far as the looks go. Will girls still want to get on stage and kiss him? Or hug him, now that there's much less danger of breaking the host in half? Or will it be the Louie Anderson handshake?
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I've never seen the 'Drew Carey Show' and despite being a late night viewer I can't recall right now any of his stand-up appearances of years past so I really don't know what to say. I feel bad for Todd Newton, but I do like Carey's statement about how 'TPIR' is the longest running game show in history and that he plans to keep it that way.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'158336\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 04:15 PM\']
Will girls still want to get on stage and kiss him? Or hug him, now that there's much less danger of breaking the host in half?
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Honestly, I don't see why not. I've never met anyone who has actively disliked Drew Carey, and the aura he gives off on stage is the warm, welcoming teddy bear.
He's gonna get more ass than a toilet seat. :)
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I'm good with Drew Carey. It's going to take some time for him to break in, but once he does I think he's gonna make that show sing. And I think he's going to be a less-threatening presence than Emperor Bob.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'158342\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 07:35 PM\']
I feel bad for Todd Newton...
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I wouldn't go as far as to say I feel bad for him. He's a talented host, and I think he'll get a nice little gig. He's what, 37 or so? He still has plenty of time to establish himself further. A lot of hosts were in their 40s when they got their most memorable gigs (see Trebek, Alex and Bergeron, Tom).
If anything, I think his name simply having been in the running might raise a few eyebrows for future show considerations.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158310\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:59 PM\']
If you ever consider adding more daytime games (longshot)[/quote]
They're bringing back Whew!?
To get back to the topic, I'm more than willing to give Drew a shot--and I am a huge Bob Barker fan (but not a fanboi, I hope). He certainly sounds like a better choice than some of the other possibilities.
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[quote name=\'TonicBH\' post=\'158311\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 04:59 PM\']
(Funny thing is, this is the second Drew Carey Show star to star in a CBS program. What's next, "The Late Show with Ryan Stiles"?)
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Way to kick Letterman to the curb. :)
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'158303\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 05:46 PM\']
WLS ABC7 in Chicago also has the same AP article. (http://\"http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=nation_world&id=5502308\")
Boy, what a bad time for golden-road.net to be down...
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Are they down or did they decide to cease operations?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158372\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 10:06 PM\']
Are they down or did they decide to cease operations?
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I imagine the G-R.net server got hammered once the news hit the wire hence the downtime. I doubt they closed up show.
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Very cool. This should be fun.
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' post=\'158373\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 10:16 PM\']I imagine the G-R.net server got hammered once the news hit the wire hence the downtime. [/quote]
That's extremely unlikely. I checked just minutes after the AP wire story broke, and there's no way that the kind of traffic that brings down a website could have hit them by then. Does anybody really know what's going on? If it's a problem, I feel bad for them to be suffering it at this inopportune time.
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The site's been down since before the announcement was made, and I know at least one other site on the same server is also down. We're really not sure what's going on.
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I know they have issues with having limited bandwidth. They had to shut down their "Golden Gallery" for a few days at the end of last month to keep from running out before the next month started. Doesn't sound like what's going on here though.
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I didn't see any mention here yet, so I'll do it. There is now a blurb about the announcement on the CBS TPiR page. I guess without CBS having a proper press conference to confirm, you can't get any more official than that.
I think this could be good....It seems in the interviews Drew has done prior to today on this subject, it appears that he is seriously going to respect the show. I kinda feel that the show is in good hands...we'll just have to wait and see.
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Wow...I really didn't think Drew Carey would beat out Newton here, but I'm happy for Drew. His work on Drew Carey Show and Whose Line was awesome. If he has the knowledge of the games that's sorely needed for Price, and can keep the attention on the games where it should be, then he should have no problems.
But, that's the danger with a 'name' isn't it? Suddenly the show becomes all about the name and 5% about the show. That better not happen to Price.
-- PYLFan28 8-)
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So, it's true. Looking forward to it.
Obligatory "When is the first episode?" :)
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Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but when was the last time a game show host pulled double-duty in the states? Carey will be hosting Power of 10 and TPiR at the same time, yes?
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Best of luck to Mr. Carey, I had my heart set on Newton (he is from St. Louis like me) but enough of that.
From Barker's Beauties to the NOW Carey's Cuties.
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Carey will make a nice addition to the show. As long as he doesn't overdo it, he'll be fine after a few tapings with cue cards before he finally gets the routine down.
As far as double-duty hosts, I think Alex Trebek was hosting J! when Classic Concentration debuted on NBC in the 80's. Not sure if it's the most recent one leading up to Carey.
If Carey does well on The Power of 10, then I guess he'll do well on TPIR. His track record is certainly there.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'158403\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 03:14 AM\']
Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but when was the last time a game show host pulled double-duty in the states?
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Would you count America's Funniest Home Videos as a game show? If so, how about Bergeron? Another stretch would be some primetime game he hosted for FOX c. 2000. The name escapes me, but I'm pretty sure it only aired once.
Otherwise, the only other thing I could think of is Combs on both daytime and syndie Feud, c. 1993. It's 4 am, so forgive me if I'm drawing a blank. :-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158407\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:11 AM\']
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'158403\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 03:14 AM\']
Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but when was the last time a game show host pulled double-duty in the states?
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Would you count America's Funniest Home Videos as a game show? If so, how about Bergeron? Another stretch would be some primetime game he hosted for FOX c. 2000. The name escapes me, but I'm pretty sure it only aired once.
Otherwise, the only other thing I could think of is Combs on both daytime and syndie Feud, c. 1993. It's 4 am, so forgive me if I'm drawing a blank. :-)
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Two game shows at the same time or just two different shows? Meredith Viera, Jimmy Kimmel and Julie Chen if the latter. I was under the impression that "Power of 10" was intended as a short run show anyway, so it may not even overlap come September.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 01:11 AM\']how about Bergeron? Another stretch would be some primetime game he hosted for FOX c. 2000. The name escapes me, but I'm pretty sure it only aired once.[/quote]
Since You've Been Gone. Shame that it didn't experience a better fate; I rather enjoyed it after stumbling upon its second half.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'158408\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:34 AM\']
Two game shows at the same time or just two different shows? Meredith Viera, Jimmy Kimmel and Julie Chen if the latter. I was under the impression that "Power of 10" was intended as a short run show anyway, so it may not even overlap come September.
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Per my sources, if PO10 goes well in its 6-episode run (which it has a good shot of doing considering all the pre-show hype and now with all the news of Carey on TPiR), the show would most likely air on Wednesday nights at 8pm, after the run of the new reality series, "Kid Nation", is finished.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'158406\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 02:39 AM\']
As far as double-duty hosts, I think Alex Trebek was hosting J! when Classic Concentration debuted on NBC in the 80's. Not sure if it's the most recent one leading up to Carey.
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That's who jumped to my mind as well. Trebek even pulled triple-duty with ClCn, TTTT91 and J! for a few months in 1991.
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Best wishes Drew Carey, a fellow former Clevelander. I am sure he will do well.
I hope the runners up find their own shows too. There wasn't a slob in the bunch.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'158480\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 03:54 PM\']
Best wishes Drew Carey, a fellow former Clevelander. I am sure he will do well.
I hope the runners up find their own shows too. There wasn't a slob in the bunch.
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On the contrary, I'm sure Dave Price is quite neat and organized...but that a good host does not make. :-)
My 2 cents? Sure, I had some reservations about Mr. Carey when he was first announced as a candidate, but after seeing his comments about respecting the show, I think he'll do fine. Remember, a lot of his early stand-up routine was based around being a "regular guy"--exactly what a host needs to relate with contestants.
And you know what? No matter what the outcome, it really doesn't matter to me. If the show lasts another 35 years with Drew, great. If they can't finish the first taping because the studio audience starts rioting and destroying the set, it was fun while it lasted.
--Sam
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Understand that I have great hopes that Drew will do a good job in this role.
That said, to you people who are saying "Oh, it'll be okay because he said he respects the show": Um, what ELSE is he going to say to a member of the media asking him about that?
Mind you, I hope it's true, but I'm going to judge him on his actions, not on his words.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'158485\' date=\'Jul 24 2007, 04:14 PM\']
Understand that I have great hopes that Drew will do a good job in this role.
That said, to you people who are saying "Oh, it'll be okay because he said he respects the show": Um, what ELSE is he going to say to a member of the media asking him about that?
Mind you, I hope it's true, but I'm going to judge him on his actions, not on his words.
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Good points.
One good thing the hiring says is that CBS is investing money in the show, rather than hiring someone on the cheap (presumably Newton) and coasting.
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CBS has posted a clip (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7wB_hbjDLg\") of Drew Carey's appearance on The Early Show yesterday.
I especially like the part from 2:45-4:00...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'158320\' date=\'Jul 23 2007, 06:17 PM\']
Would Dobkowitz be the likely EP candidate, given his tenure?
[/quote]Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it. According to golden-road.net (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3814&forum=4\"), Syd Vinnedge is the new EP (among other changes).
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According to golden-road.net, Syd Vinnedge is the new EP (among other changes).
Someone who got busted from V.P. to "consultant"? A guy needs a job, I guess. It could be worse, though. Who am I kidding? No it couldn't.
- The main theme is being re-orchestrated in stereo just to be a bit more "fresh," however it will remain note for note the same. Edd Kalehoff is working on it so it should easily maintain the original sound.
Don't bury the harp in the mix this time! I wonder if Edd's going to dust off the old MOOG for this:
http://www.attentionmax.com/blog/2006/03/page/2 (http://\"http://www.attentionmax.com/blog/2006/03/page/2\")
(If all they need is a stereo version, all they need to do is remix it, not re-orchestrate.) But it's a good thing Kalehoff's back.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158964\' date=\'Jul 28 2007, 10:53 PM\']
Don't bury the harp in the mix this time! I wonder if Edd's going to dust off the old MOOG for this:
http://www.attentionmax.com/blog/2006/03/page/2 (http://\"http://www.attentionmax.com/blog/2006/03/page/2\")
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From that blog, it's worth pointing out this video link:
Clip from a Moog documentary, followed by Edd and his trusty Moog selling Schaffer beer. OUTSTANDING. (http://\"http://one.revver.com/watch/16878\")
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Here's a link if you just want to watch the spot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evzxlip_M4I (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evzxlip_M4I\")
I wonder if Edd knows how many fans he has (SHRUG).
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'158964\' date=\'Jul 28 2007, 10:53 PM\']
(If all they need is a stereo version, all they need to do is remix it, not re-orchestrate.) But it's a good thing Kalehoff's back.
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Isn't that what they did for the theme to Family Feud in the late 80s -- re-orchestrate for stereo?
I know that to the "naked ear" the Dawson and Combs Feud themes are the same from start to finish, but the latter theme was pretty much "synthesized". For us old school music buffs, synthesized music is garbage since the music is "too perfect" and does not rely on real instruments or musicians who might miss a beat or a note here and there..
Speaking of TPIR Music cues, I would assume that when they started introducing the newer music cues in the mid to late 80s, that all of these cues were done in stereo?
I guess my biggest concern is that since the original cues are not in stereo, is there a chance that we may hear even less of those in the future.
You're right Chris. If they can remix old mono music from the 50s and 60s into "simulated stereo" versions, why can't they just go that route? All it is is just synchronizing 2 copies of the mono theme then tweaking the equilization in both the left and right channels to highlight and mute specific instruments.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'158981\' date=\'Jul 29 2007, 10:01 AM\']
Isn't that what they did for the theme to Family Feud in the late 80s -- re-orchestrate for stereo?[/quote]
I'm sort of A-B'ing the 2 as I write------the '88 theme was pretty much a remaster, but with a new [synthesized?] drum track.
Speaking of TPIR Music cues, I would assume that when they started introducing the newer music cues in the mid to late 80s, that all of these cues were done in stereo?
I'd assume that Score was already mastering the themes and cues to stereo as far back as the early '70's, but they'd have to have been transferred to a mono mix for broadcast.
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I think it's safe to assume that there still exist 24-track, 2" masters from the recording sessions in England. If that is the case, all they have to do is remix those masters to stereo; put the brass on the left channel, the strings on the right channel, the MOOG here, percussion there. That's how you'd make a stereo recording in 2007 and no rearranging or reorchestration is needed.
In the original theme there is only one synthesized instrument: the MOOG. If Kalehoff does a complete "reorchestration" of the theme, it is conceivable that all of the instruments will be synthesized. If that happens, the theme will definitely lose its "soul". It will sound good, but it won't be the theme we're used to hearing. If we're lucky, he will keep many of the legacy instrumental parts: flugelhorn, tuba, glock, harp, trombones, etc.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159026\' date=\'Jul 29 2007, 11:50 PM\']
I think it's safe to assume that there still exist 24-track, 2" masters from the recording sessions in England. If that is the case, all they have to do is remix those masters to stereo; put the brass on the left channel, the strings on the right channel, the MOOG here, percussion there.[/quote]
Oddly enough, that's already been done a few years ago. I don't believe it's ever used on air.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'159033\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:42 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159026\' date=\'Jul 29 2007, 11:50 PM\']
I think it's safe to assume that there still exist 24-track, 2" masters from the recording sessions in England. If that is the case, all they have to do is remix those masters to stereo; put the brass on the left channel, the strings on the right channel, the MOOG here, percussion there.[/quote]
Oddly enough, that's already been done a few years ago. I don't believe it's ever used on air.
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I believe Jonathan commissioned a remix/rearrangement after his dad died. I don't know if it had any connection to the '94 music. (Speculating) It is possible that Barker didn't want to use it on the daytime show.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159034\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 07:30 AM\']
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'159033\' date=\'Jul 30 2007, 03:42 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'159026\' date=\'Jul 29 2007, 11:50 PM\']
I think it's safe to assume that there still exist 24-track, 2" masters from the recording sessions in England. If that is the case, all they have to do is remix those masters to stereo; put the brass on the left channel, the strings on the right channel, the MOOG here, percussion there.[/quote]
Oddly enough, that's already been done a few years ago. I don't believe it's ever used on air.
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I believe Jonathan commissioned a remix/rearrangement after his dad died. I don't know if it had any connection to the '94 music. (Speculating) It is possible that Barker didn't want to use it on the daytime show.
[/quote] I think Drew will do an outstanding job, He has the personality to carry TPIR for many years to come. I have great faith in Drew.