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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: itiparanoid13 on May 04, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
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Got some really good information this weekend. Fremantle officially got the rights to Let's Make A Deal in early 2009. Since then they've been working on getting it back on TV around the world (a pilot shot in Australia recently). I found out Saturday morning that CBS is looking at LMAD for the afternoon slot left vacant by Guiding Light. Hosts are being brought in this week to do trials. A pilot is going to be shot in Australia once it's all sorted out as well.
So Pyramid and Let's Make A Deal both up for that afternoon slot. Not bad, eh?
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This is good news. Let's Make a Deal works quite well as an hour-long program without drastic changes, an added bonus.
I find it interesting that it looks like a game show will occupy the 3 PM time slot, only the second time a network game has aired in that time period in 30 years. I am of the opinion that this is an excellent time to air a game show (the kids are home and college students are out of class). In the mid- to late-1960s, when CBS and NBC counterprogrammed each other in daytime (if one had a game on, the other had a soap, and vice versa; reruns were also used to counterprogram), the afternoon games were the ones that got the highest ratings. When did this change and why is it changing back?
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If this is done more like the Game Show Marathon version, and less like the Billy Bush version or Big Deal, this could be pretty awesome.
And if this is paired with a half-hour Pyramid revival, we'd have a pretty neat two hour daytime game show block.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'214872\' date=\'May 4 2009, 11:51 AM\']
In the mid- to late-1960s, when CBS and NBC counterprogrammed each other in daytime (if one had a game on, the other had a soap, and vice versa; reruns were also used to counterprogram), the afternoon games were the ones that got the highest ratings. When did this change and why is it changing back?
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Don't question. Just be happy if it works out!
I wonder if a new LMAD would have the same reliance on games involving pricing grocery items, given the game program currently airing on CBS.
And boy, it'd be great if Mark Summers, Todd Newton, Chuck Woolery or Wink Martindale hosted! (Just thought I'd get that out of the way.)
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'214872\' date=\'May 4 2009, 12:51 PM\']I find it interesting that it looks like a game show will occupy the 3 PM time slot[/quote]
Not where I live.
I, too, question the effectiveness of having LMAD and TPiR placed so close to each other. Maybe they'll move The Insider to daytime or something and have LMAD in the 7:30 slot.
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FINALLY I CAN BREATHE, lol. I have known about LMAD being in the works for quite sometime. When Monty did his radio interview a few months ago, CBS was the network who was interested. To my knowledge the show will not be an hour. To clarify something, Fremantle has owned LMAD since 2007. In fact their two year contract was almost up, but they renewed last minute when CBS was interested in the revival. From what I was told, CBS is looking at Pyramid and LMAD to fill Guiding Light's spot. Now there is one other secret I cannot tell, and that is regarding the host. HOPEFULLY, they may not have to audition too many of them....
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If I were running CBS (and I'm not), I'd make LMAD a 45 minute show and expand TPIR to 75 minutes, thus forcing the affils to clear both shows in pattern. You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
As far as host, maybe Joe Rogan, who seems to be able to build up tension and has appeal to the ladies.
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Yeah, I know one of the potential hosts is going at it today. Wishing him all the luck in the world.
They've got some good hosts lined up for us. Some definite fan favorites.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 12:25 PM\']
If I were running CBS (and I'm not), I'd make LMAD a 45 minute show and expand TPIR to 75 minutes, thus forcing the affils to clear both shows in pattern. You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
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This is actually a pretty good idea. Extra plugs, extra time on both shows for bits of business (which has been sorely lacking on TPIR), and less of a tune-out factor. Not sure the affiliates would be happy, though.
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All I've got to say is yippee! Pyramid/Deal would be pretty swell. But, here's a thought. The local CBS affil, WNEM was notorious for being a station that hadn't carried Guiding Light for over ten years. Not until they created their MyNetwork offshoot did they begin to air the program, which makes me wonder: If/when this comes to fruition, will WNEM air the game show block as scheduled by CBS, or will it be relegated to My?
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I don't know what to say. A Pyramid/LMAD block would be flippin' sweet. LMAD seems like a format that is well-suited for any timeslot length, since the format can be made pretty flexible.
Has there been any other indications of what CBS might do in that slot besides game shows? It just seems weird that Pyramid and LMAD are essentially the only ones talked about.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'214884\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:52 PM\']
All I've got to say is yippee! Pyramid/Deal would be pretty swell. But, here's a thought. The local CBS affil, WNEM was notorious for being a station that hadn't carried Guiding Light for over ten years. Not until they created their MyNetwork offshoot did they begin to air the program, which makes me wonder: If/when this comes to fruition, will WNEM air the game show block as scheduled by CBS, or will it be relegated to My?
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It pretty much depends on the affiliate (or the station's owner) whether it wants to air whatever CBS chooses to replace GL. Unlike the prime time shows and, apparently, The Early Show, the affiliates have the option of airing the CBS daytime shows wherever they want, or not at all.
Looking at what WNEM currently airs at the likely time slots for the GL replacement, it all depends on what WNEM chooses to replace "Tyra" at 10a -- Banks moves to the 3-5p MyNet bloc this fall.
Is the proposed LMAD pilot being considered for a 30-minute or 60-minute show? When the "Pyramid" proposal was announced, it was suggested Pyramid would be tooled as a 60-minute program, so I'm curious if CBS would be looking at 60-minute LMAD or a LMAD/Pyramid block.
James
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'214883\' date=\'May 4 2009, 12:40 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 12:25 PM\']
If I were running CBS (and I'm not), I'd make LMAD a 45 minute show and expand TPIR to 75 minutes, thus forcing the affils to clear both shows in pattern. You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
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This is actually a pretty good idea. Extra plugs, extra time on both shows for bits of business (which has been sorely lacking on TPIR), and less of a tune-out factor. Not sure the affiliates would be happy, though.
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Then, Price can stop playing friggin Freeze Frame every day, and play more games that take longer to play. Never been a fan of the minute long game.
BTW, Don't a lot of British shows air in 15 minute multiples, rather than just 30 minutes?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'214886\' date=\'May 4 2009, 02:08 PM\']
I don't know what to say. A Pyramid/LMAD block would be flippin' sweet. LMAD seems like a format that is well-suited for any timeslot length, since the format can be made pretty flexible.
Has there been any other indications of what CBS might do in that slot besides game shows? It just seems weird that Pyramid and LMAD are essentially the only ones talked about.
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TVNewser reported a few weeks ago that there was talk about expanding The Early Show to 3 hours, but the report sounded more gossip than hard fact. It was noted in a previous post that Early Show's ratings aren't that great, and there is doubt CBS could justify making the show a 3-hour affair.
A talk show is also said to be under consideration, but nothing has been said about possible hosts or formats (there were several hosts under consideration for fall 2009 syndication whose shows never got past pilot or pre-pilot stage -- TD Jakes, Marissa Jaret Winokur, Paula Deen, Valerie Bertinelli and Paula Deen come to mind).
There has been no talk of expanding or picking up a soap opera to fill the slot.
CBS could also decide to give the slot back to the affiliates, but The Eye has yet to suggest this.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 10:25 AM\']
As far as host, maybe Joe Rogan, who seems to be able to build up tension and has appeal to the ladies.[/quote]
And who, last time I saw him doing UFC coverage, now looks like Billy Mays. (Who wouldn't be a bad LMaD host, actually. Certainly no Vince Shlomi (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA\"), though.)
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Sounds good on paper but I'm reserving judgement until I see some video. Fremantle is the company that gave us Louie Anderson and Richard Karn. Need I say more?
Why are the emcee candidates such a hush-hush secret? Are you guys under non-disclosure agreements?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'214894\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:59 PM\']
Sounds good on paper but I'm reserving judgement until I see some video. Fremantle is the company that gave us Louie Anderson and Richard Karn. Need I say more?
Why are the emcee candidates such a hush-hush secret? Are you guys under non-disclosure agreements?
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Well -- see what happened to Dan Patrick?
/I'm Kidding
//the new spinoff to I'm Telling
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This sounds pretty awesome, esp. if it's a Pyramid/Deal hour.
My question: is GL techincally designated to the 10a or the 3p slot, on paper? I know some mention it airing at 10 in their area, but Norfolk airs at 3. A 10:00 hour of game(s), leading into TPiR seems more logical, although Curt's idea about 3p working for students is a good one as well.
/And it would give me something to watch at work!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'214899\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:54 PM\']My question: is GL techincally designated to the 10a or the 3p slot, on paper?[/quote]CBS's press site (http://\"http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/original?id=255&dpid=57\") suggests that both are "official" slots.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'214899\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:54 PM\']
My question: is GL techincally designated to the 10a or the 3p slot, on paper?
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I think officially it's 3PM, 10AM is an alternative. Then there's some stations where it airs at *9AM* (WSBT for one.)
EDIT: Move one post up.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:25 PM\']
You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
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Umm no, I'm not interested in seeing 15 more commercials for power chairs and Diabeetus aids.
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Why are the emcee candidates such a hush-hush secret? Are you guys under non-disclosure agreements?
I don't know what Alex was told, but with what I was told, Alex is right on when he says the list of candidates has some fan favorites. I am not under a non disclosure agreement, but I am not saying too much as to not betray trust.
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[quote name=\'jimlangefan\' post=\'214906\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:30 PM\']
...the list of candidates has some fan favorites. [/quote]
Does that mean we'll get to see the reincarnation of Temptayshun Dollarz???
/Hopefully not.
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[quote name=\'jimlangefan\' post=\'214906\' date=\'May 4 2009, 04:30 PM\']
Why are the emcee candidates such a hush-hush secret? Are you guys under non-disclosure agreements?
I don't know what Alex was told, but with what I was told, Alex is right on when he says the list of candidates has some fan favorites. I am not under a non disclosure agreement, but I am not saying too much as to not betray trust.
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This is the exact thing I'm under. I'm friends with the person who told me. This person asked me just to say that CBS is looking at LMAD for daytime and to not mention the hosts. The minute I get the OK I'll be blabbing about it. I'd just rather not lose communication with this person over this specific thing I was asked not to mention. Hopefully you understand.
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'214909\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:56 PM\']
This is the exact thing I'm under. I'm friends with the person who told me. This person asked me just to say that CBS is looking at LMAD for daytime and to not mention the hosts. The minute I get the OK I'll be blabbing about it. I'd just rather not lose communication with this person over this specific thing I was asked not to mention. Hopefully you understand.
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So essentially, yes. You're under a non-disclosure agreement, legal or otherwise.
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How *is* John Ricci, anyhow?
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Nonononono, I haven't talked or associated to him in an extremely long time (probably since my Combination Lock debacle with him) nor do I have any desire to whatsoever. He can enjoy working on Bunco.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'214912\' date=\'May 4 2009, 02:03 PM\']
How *is* John Ricci, anyhow?
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I hear he's developing a game show pilot based on Cat's Cradle.
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...followed by the exciting new game show, Silver Spoons.
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So if I'm following the clues correctly, it's going to be Ty Treadway. What does this portend for a third season of "Crosswords"?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214918\' date=\'May 4 2009, 04:36 PM\']
So if I'm following the clues correctly, it's going to be Ty Treadway. What does this portend for a third season of "Crosswords"?
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Reruns, reruns, and more reruns. This time it's "The Worst of Crosswords."
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'214919\' date=\'May 4 2009, 05:37 PM\']
This time it's "The Worst of Crosswords."
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No, that was season one.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'214905\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:25 PM\']
You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
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Umm no, I'm not interested in seeing 15 more commercials for power chairs and Diabeetus aids.
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Exactly
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'214914\' date=\'May 4 2009, 02:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'214912\' date=\'May 4 2009, 02:03 PM\']
How *is* John Ricci, anyhow?
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I hear he's developing a game show pilot based on Cat's Cradle.
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I'm developing a game based on Mindreaders. Working title: Celebrity Ouija Boards.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'214961\' date=\'May 5 2009, 02:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'214905\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214878\' date=\'May 4 2009, 01:25 PM\']
You really wouldn't have to add anything to TPIR except commercials.
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Umm no, I'm not interested in seeing 15 more commercials for power chairs and Diabeetus aids.
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Exactly
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You guys say that now, but just wait until you're old enough to start needing all that stuff. :)
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'214905\' date=\'May 4 2009, 04:29 PM\']Umm no, I'm not interested in seeing 15 more commercials for power chairs and Diabeetus aids.
[/quote]Actually, I think I've been seeing fewer of those stereotypical elderly ads the past couple months. Also, it seems that more of the products and prizes are sponsored compared to earlier this year.
Anyways, if TPIR were to expand to 75 minutes, I would imagine that about 10 minutes would go to content and about 5 would go to commercials, which follows the current ratio.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'214965\' date=\'May 5 2009, 03:30 PM\']Actually, I think I've been seeing fewer of those stereotypical elderly ads the past couple months. Also, it seems that more of the products and prizes are sponsored compared to earlier this year.[/quote]
Really? I haven't noticed any difference, and last I heard (which was just a couple weeks ago), they're still shelling out money hand over fist on the designer fashions and Apple electronics that Drew insists on giving away.
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Well I Hope NBC can try a pilot for a revival of Concentration.
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This article (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003202.html?categoryid=14&cs=1\") from Variety suggests that a revival of The Dating Game might be paired with LMAD. I'd rather have Pyramid, but hey, it's still a game show.
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I'm intrigued that CBS has so many games they want to try out, but if this is true, I must admit, I'm less than thrilled at the prospect of a new "Dating Game". Just seems like a mismatch for Deal, not to mention it seeming out of place for a daytime audience.
/Yes, I know it aired in network daytime
//40 years ago
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'214990\' date=\'May 5 2009, 06:37 PM\']Really? I haven't noticed any difference, and last I heard (which was just a couple weeks ago), they're still shelling out money hand over fist on the designer fashions and Apple electronics that Drew insists on giving away.
[/quote]I think Nesquik Pure Silk and Gorton's have become fairly frequent sponsors recently. On the prize side, it seems that they're definitely not offering as many appliances as before, and they were (and are) rarely sponsored. In general, the electronics are still unsponsored, which comes as a big surprise to me. Both sectors have a dozen brands, and I thought one of them might find a few plugs worthwhile.
I was pretty sure that the Apple love was coming from Drew's general direction. He was gushing about the nearby Apple Store early on his first year. I'm more surprised to hear that the fashions were started by him. That seemed like a demo play to me, so I was thinking CBS had more to do with that decision. As a bit of an aside, have you noticed that Drew's been fawning over more of the prizes in general? So far he's said that he owns a MINI, those expensive headphones and a couple other prizes when they've been offered. He also mentions it whenever they offer a trip to someplace he's been, and a recent trip made me think it was made somewhat on the fly. My point is, how much of the current prize warehouse now consists of sponsored prizes rather than Drew's Favorite Things? Are they rejecting sponsorships of "uncool" brands or products in the belief that paying more for cooler prizes will garner higher ratings or more desirable demos.
Back to CBS's fiddlings, am I the only one surprised they didn't decide to extend Bold and Beautiful and give half an hour back to affiliates? Seemed like the path of least resistance to me.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'215006\' date=\'May 5 2009, 10:21 PM\']
In general, the electronics are still unsponsored, which comes as a big surprise to me. Both sectors have a dozen brands, and I thought one of them might find a few plugs worthwhile.
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It would appear to me they didn't even bother to search for sponsors, and are instead putting up what Drew likes first.
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'215006\' date=\'May 5 2009, 10:21 PM\']
My point is, how much of the current prize warehouse now consists of sponsored prizes rather than Drew's Favorite Things? Are they rejecting sponsorships of "uncool" brands or products in the belief that paying more for cooler prizes will garner higher ratings or more desirable demos.
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You're getting to the crux of our little byplay a few weeks ago about this very issue. Drew pretty much makes it no secret when he was behind a prize or idea, because he'll tell you how cool it is on the air. I really don't have a lot against him, I just find it interesting. I wish they'd find a happy medium and take more of the sponsored items they seemed to have no trouble getting last season.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'215005\' date=\'May 5 2009, 08:47 PM\']
I'm intrigued that CBS has so many games they want to try out, but if this is true, I must admit, I'm less than thrilled at the prospect of a new "Dating Game". Just seems like a mismatch for Deal, not to mention it seeming out of place for a daytime audience.
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I saw that too, and it seems so wrong I almost wonder if somebody made an error. Dating Game has never been particularly successful when it isn't paired with Newlywed Game, and even then it was always the weaker of the two.
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First Pyramid gets consideration, than LMAD, now the Dating Game? Not too happy about the latest developments regarding TDG. Pyramid & LMAD are just good enough for me anyways. Makes me wonder who in CBS brought up that idea.
As far as LMAD goes, we should know by the end of the month when they shoot an unaired pilot. By that time, we may have a host too. Still would've like to see Pyramid & LMAD paired up. Oh well.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'215016\' date=\'May 6 2009, 03:19 AM\']
First Pyramid gets consideration, than LMAD, now the Dating Game? [/quote]
There's rumors going round that "The Joker's Wild" is also one of the candidates, as I saw here:
http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...37&start=15 (http://\"http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28737&start=15\")
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'215019\' date=\'May 6 2009, 08:01 AM\']
There's rumors going round that "The Joker's Wild" is also one of the candidates, as I saw here:
http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...37&start=15 (http://\"http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28737&start=15\")
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Now that works for me! Do it as a best 2 out of 3 games, winner plays the bonus and maybe earns extra spins on the way.
/just a thought.
//wonder why it works for me? Hmmmm
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'215006\' date=\'May 5 2009, 10:21 PM\']
Back to CBS's fiddlings, am I the only one surprised they didn't decide to extend Bold and Beautiful and give half an hour back to affiliates? Seemed like the path of least resistance to me.
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If you asked this question five years ago, I would agree with that sentiment. Today, that's no longer the case.
In today's economic environment, as well as depressed ratings throughout the genre, it doesn't make sense to expand a current soap opera or add a sudser to the lineup. All of the current sudsers have seen their budgets slashed in recent months (GL and ATWT changed the way they film to save money, Y&R and DOOL have booted 'legacy' cast members to save $$$, and ABC ordered an across-the-board salary cut for soap actors), so I doubt CBS would go against the grain and expand B&B.
JD
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'215019\' date=\'May 6 2009, 07:01 AM\']
[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'215016\' date=\'May 6 2009, 03:19 AM\']
First Pyramid gets consideration, than LMAD, now the Dating Game? [/quote]
There's rumors going round that "The Joker's Wild" is also one of the candidates, as I saw here:
http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...37&start=15 (http://\"http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28737&start=15\")
[/quote]Yeah, and I'm gonna get in bed with Heidi Klum tonight.
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Here's another former game show host that has yet to be discussed when it comes to being a viable LMAD host candidate -- George Gray.
He did a great job hosting Syndie Link, and I believe he can make a great wheeler-dealer when it comes to enticing people to go for the curtain or the box. But I'm worried that he could be too persuasive and/or condescending -- None of the other LMAD hosts that I can recall (including Mark "Freakin Studs" DeCarlo) ever rubbed a bad deal in the faces of the contestants.
De Carlo could be another viable candidate as well. Just keep all of those Stoned-Stanley changes locked away and we're good to go.
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'215019\' date=\'May 6 2009, 08:01 AM\']
There's rumors going round that "The Joker's Wild" is also one of the candidates, as I saw here:
http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopi...37&start=15 (http://\"http://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28737&start=15\")
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I call shenanigans on that, but I do think if two games are to fill a half-hour, a light game (LMAD, Dating) should pair up with a harder quiz (Pyramid, Joker), IMO.
I want the Challengers as a possible replacement.
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'215004\' date=\'May 5 2009, 09:35 PM\']This article (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003202.html?categoryid=14&cs=1\") from Variety suggests that a revival of The Dating Game might be paired with LMAD. I'd rather have Pyramid, but hey, it's still a game show.[/quote]
A little like CBS passing on the original Star Trek because "we already have a sci-fi show" -- Lost in Space. I mean, on a very fundamental, base level, I guess you're right, but the difference between getting Pyramid or getting The Dating Game will be, for a lot of us, the difference between watching or not watching.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'215029\' date=\'May 6 2009, 09:39 AM\']
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'215004\' date=\'May 5 2009, 09:35 PM\']This article (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003202.html?categoryid=14&cs=1\") from Variety suggests that a revival of The Dating Game might be paired with LMAD. I'd rather have Pyramid, but hey, it's still a game show.[/quote]
A little like CBS passing on the original Star Trek because "we already have a sci-fi show" -- Lost in Space. I mean, on a very fundamental, base level, I guess you're right, but the difference between getting Pyramid or getting The Dating Game will be, for a lot of us, the difference between watching or not watching.
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If they introduced a hard quiz end game to TDG, maybe.
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Didn't Michael Davies try and develop a Dating Game revival for GSN? I'm curious if Davies is trying to pitch TDG to CBS as an alternative/companion to Pyramid.
TJW? I'm a little skeptical about that rumor since we haven't heard anything from a trade or direct industry source, but it was reported some time back that Harry Friedman who, I believe, pitched a TJW revival for syndication a few years back (paired with Combination Lock), would consider pitching it again if the market was open to it. Perhaps Friedman has the ears of The Eye?
JD
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'215039\' date=\'May 6 2009, 11:35 AM\']
t was reported some time back that Harry Friedman who, I believe, pitched a TJW revival for syndication a few years back (paired with Combination Lock), would consider pitching it again if the market was open to it. [/quote]
Yep...I think clips from both pilots were shown during Wheel tapings in late-2006.
The Friedman connection could make sense, with him working on CBS Television Distribution's two biggest hits. But I'm not sold from another message board rumor.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'215031\' date=\'May 6 2009, 09:48 AM\']
If they introduced a hard quiz end game to TDG, maybe.
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Oh! You said hard *quiz* end game. Okay. Whew. I thought we were going in some Spice-channel direction there.
Wait, what?
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'215039\' date=\'May 6 2009, 11:35 AM\']
Didn't Michael Davies try and develop a Dating Game revival for GSN? I'm curious if Davies is trying to pitch TDG to CBS as an alternative/companion to Pyramid.
TJW? I'm a little skeptical about that rumor since we haven't heard anything from a trade or direct industry source, but it was reported some time back that Harry Friedman who, I believe, pitched a TJW revival for syndication a few years back (paired with Combination Lock), would consider pitching it again if the market was open to it. Perhaps Friedman has the ears of The Eye?
JD
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Remember this thread? (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11755&hl=\") A few years ago when I was at wheel, they taped audience members reactions for the jokers wild, encouraged by IIRC, Mark Maxwell-Smith who worked on the original Joker's wild? No clips were shown.
On an unrelated note, did the combination lock pilot ever leak?
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I heard all about the pilot a while ago and saw some pictures and things. It was nothing remotely special in the pilot form. It was a pretty boring "Match A, B, and C to 1, 2, and 3" over and over for different amounts of money. It wasn't necessarily bad, just painfully boring and dull with no life whatsoever. It was pretty obvious why it wasn't going to NATPE that year.
I've been pitching a slot machine show to some people recently. Many brought up the Joker's Wild pilot and how it was really rough and just didn't work. They wouldn't tell me what the show was like, though.
In regards to The Dating Game, that was Michael Davies originally for Lifetime as was Newlywed Game. When Lifetime turned it down Sony took it to GSN and they bought Newlywed Game alone. I didn't hear anything about TDG pilot, though
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Honestly, with all the dating shows (Blind Date, Elimidate, Hell Date, etc.) that have been introduced just in the last ten years, I wonder if the original DG concept would work. Yeah, it might be fun for nostalgia, but it seems like it would be a bit too "tame" by today's standards.
They tried a "new" DG back in '96. It failed. They went back to the original format a year later. It failed (I think the ratings actually got worse), but limped into a third season. I'm not so sure what they can do in 2009 that didn't work 10-13 years ago. I think one reason Newlywed is working is because there haven't been a bajillion derivative concepts since it went off the air in the late-90s.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'215006\' date=\'May 5 2009, 09:21 PM\']Back to CBS's fiddlings, am I the only one surprised they didn't decide to extend Bold and Beautiful and give half an hour back to affiliates? Seemed like the path of least resistance to me.[/quote]
I'm not. Me thinks that a half-hour soap opera is more expensive to produce than a half hour game show like Pyramid or LMAD (and much more expensive than The Dating Game).
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A little comparison of sorts...all wild speculation, feel free to fudge with the numbers as I kinda rushed this up...
[post=\"0\"]This thread[/post] mentions the Days of Our Lives budget, about $1.7 million per week. In the last 18 months, Guiding Light made a lot of cost-cutting moves, including more on-location shots, and shooting several different scenes within the same location, which means they saved a hell of a lot on set construction. I'd guess that with said changes, GL's budget might be about $1 million a week.
That alone would make DG a lot more desirable, considering the prize is a small trip, which is provided for next to, if not, nothing. However, even with a new $25,000 Pyramid, you look at, maybe, $250K at most if the Winner's Circle is won every single game on every episode of the week. Add the host and crew's salary, and celeb appearance fees, you're still at maybe $500K for the week? I doubt whoever hosts would pull in a Drew Carey salary...
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For the sake of nostalgia, I wouldn't mind seeing a pairing of a CBS sitcom and game show. The CBS sitcom would definitely be a cheap filler (no production costs)...How about an hour comprised of Pyramid, followed by "The Big Bang Theory"? Not that I've gotten absolutely hooked on that show or anything...
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TJW won't work in daytime for the reasons Allen Koss gave a couple of Congreffs ago: Q&A games don't work as well in daytime as they do in prime access.
If DOOL costs $1.6 million per week for five one-hour shows, half of that (a half hour) would be $800,000 per week. You could easily bring in a cheap half-hour game (Pyramid) for half of that: $400,000 per week. So tell me again, why did the networks ditch game shows in the '90s?
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'215042\' date=\'May 6 2009, 11:57 AM\']On an unrelated note, did the combination lock pilot ever leak?[/quote]
The choice for host eventually leaked, if IMDb (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871570/bio\") is to be believed.
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It's to be believed. He was just as bad there.
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So this was the big secret, huh (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11755&view=findpost&p=136930\")?
I lol'ed.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215075\' date=\'May 6 2009, 02:12 PM\']TJW won't work in daytime for the reasons Allen Koss gave a couple of Congreffs ago: Q&A games don't work as well in daytime as they do in prime access.[/quote]
So much for my thought of pairing up Let's Make a Deal with Split Second -- possible additional cost savings by having just one production company involved.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'215094\' date=\'May 6 2009, 05:03 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215075\' date=\'May 6 2009, 02:12 PM\']TJW won't work in daytime for the reasons Allen Koss gave a couple of Congreffs ago: Q&A games don't work as well in daytime as they do in prime access.[/quote]
So much for my thought of pairing up Let's Make a Deal with Split Second -- possible additional cost savings by having just one production company involved.
[/quote]
Maybe if they used "pop culture" questions and expanded the car segment? Perhaps by introducing the contestant's family and offering to buy back the key?
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While I am glad to see the network bringing game shows back, I am a little disapointed to read that it is revivaing old titles rather than trying something new. Or at least revive Whew!
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'215101\' date=\'May 6 2009, 06:33 PM\']While I am glad to see the network bringing game shows back, I am a little disapointed to read that it is revivaing old titles rather than trying something new. Or at least revive Whew![/quote]
IMO, since it's been so long since someone tried a new network daytime game, it's easier to go with an established, proven format. That way, if it takes off, then other networks could possibly follow suit with new concept.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'215103\' date=\'May 6 2009, 06:36 PM\'][quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'215101\' date=\'May 6 2009, 06:33 PM\']While I am glad to see the network bringing game shows back, I am a little disapointed to read that it is revivaing old titles rather than trying something new. Or at least revive Whew![/quote]
IMO, since it's been so long since someone tried a new network daytime game, it's easier to go with an established, proven format. That way, if it takes off, then other networks could possibly follow suit with new concept.
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You know, I can't help wondering....If CBS does indeed program the former GL slot with game shows, and they *do* take off, I wonder if daytime television could start to see some more game shows. I can't imagine ABC would program any.....Their four hours of daytime, I would imagine, are pretty solid. NBC could be interested if DooL leaves....
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'215106\' date=\'May 6 2009, 06:17 PM\']You know, I can't help wondering....If CBS does indeed program the former GL slot with game shows, and they *do* take off, I wonder if daytime television could start to see some more game shows. I can't imagine ABC would program any.....Their four hours of daytime, I would imagine, are pretty solid. NBC could be interested if DooL leaves....[/quote]
An extreme longshot, but I was thinking the same thing. NBC would be the logical option...I wonder if the games are give the 10AM slot and take off, if NBC would counter with games (Concentration dammit), then split DooL's slot - give the affiliates 1/2 hr and keep 1/2 hr for a midday news (to program after the noon news).
/I think I did that right.
//Bye bye Hoda and Kathie!
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So much for my thought of pairing up Let's Make a Deal with Split Second -- possible additional cost savings by having just one production company involved.
In this case it would have still been two production companies. Fremantle owns ONLY Let's Make A Deal. Hatos-Hall still exists and owns the rest of their shows.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'215094\' date=\'May 6 2009, 03:03 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215075\' date=\'May 6 2009, 02:12 PM\']TJW won't work in daytime for the reasons Allen Koss gave a couple of Congreffs ago: Q&A games don't work as well in daytime as they do in prime access.[/quote]
So much for my thought of pairing up Let's Make a Deal with Split Second -- possible additional cost savings by having just one production company involved.[/quote]
No cost savings having one production company involved.
To be attractive to CBS you don't want a Q&A show because a) they tend not to do well in daytime compared to nighttime (e.g. 1978 Jeopardy! and Tic Tac Dough, Whew!, Double Dare, etc.) and b) it costs money to run a question mill. Writers and researchers cost money. TJW doesn't burn through material as rapidly as J!, Whew! or Split Second, but Dating Game, LMAD and even Pyramid use a much more modest volume of material.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215117\' date=\'May 6 2009, 08:57 PM\']TJW doesn't burn through material as rapidly as J!, Whew! or Split Second, but Dating Game, LMAD and even Pyramid use a much more modest volume of material.[/quote]
Dating Game seems like the best choice in that regard, considering you can use the same questions over and over simply by swapping out the more colorful adjectives and nouns. Pyramid requires a bit more thought when trying to reuse stuff and LMAD requires actual set pieces, which will probably cost more.
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LMAD requires a large stage crew to move prizes and set pieces around, much like TPIR. That's an expense.
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Average LMaD episode (from any era) offered what?...the figures in parentheses are current estimates
-living room/dinette or kitchen set (about $2,500-4,000)
-various smaller appliances like a washer-dryer ($1,000)
-computer (could get a decent laptop for about $750)
-cash (maybe $10,000 at the most per episode)
-a car ($15,000-20,000)
Then maybe the Big Deal, which was often the very same car and other stuff, so let's say the Big Deal is along the lines of the average second Showcase ($30,000?)
So, about $40,000+ per ep. minimum, which is about $200K a week...let's make it $250K (sit down, Lesko!). Again, add crew and what not (including folks to move the backdrops/curtains around), and by my math, still about a $500K budget (so right on par with a new Pyramid, and still significantly lower than even a half-hour soap.
Oh, and the large art card "billboards" for Dairy Queen or Big Boy? How difficult is it to do the same thing on a video wall?
Now, you look at two games that would cost a minimum half-mil per week, then yes, Dating Game would look like a more viable companion show, all things considered (the reduced, if not, free trips provided).
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'215124\' date=\'May 6 2009, 10:01 PM\']Now, you look at two games that would cost a minimum half-mil per week, then yes, Dating Game would look like a more viable companion show, all things considered (the reduced, if not, free trips provided).[/quote]
Viable in all ways except the show has not done well at all in its recent revivals, and somebody at CBS is bound to figure out this year's attempt to bring it back with Newlywed Game failed, even if they stumble in here to do it.
Still, give CBS credit for doing something that makes sense both economically and historically. (It feels like September 1972 all over again kids. Or at least September 1982.)
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'215125\' date=\'May 6 2009, 11:07 PM\']Viable in all ways except the show has not done well at all in its recent revivals, and somebody at CBS is bound to figure out this year's attempt to bring it back with Newlywed Game failed, even if they stumble in here to do it.[/quote]
Ah yes...I forgot we already went through that part. ;-)
I agree on giving CBS credit...something's to be said when you can potentially do two games for less than the price of a soap opera (no matter how many corners you cut)...
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Have they already decided that lighter-weight fare such as LMaD and Dating is where they want to go? Is Pyramid already off the table? What, too much thought involved?
I hope that's not the right read on this.
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So, about $40,000+ per ep. minimum, which is about $200K a week...let's make it $250K
Way too high. Cut it in half. Not all of the prizes will be won, and unlike the old days, the show will not necessarily get the manufacturers' promotional discounts of days gone by (c.f. TPIR). More like $100,000 for prizes, $200,000 for above the line and licensing and $100,000 for below the line = apx. $400,000 per week by my back-of-the-envelope estimate.
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Just surfing the web randomly, I found a link to this article via AOL about LMAD's potential revival.
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/05/08/i...e-a-deal-again/ (http://\"http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/05/08/its-2009-lets-make-a-deal-again/\")
The author points out a number of factors, most of which I agree with, some of which have been brought up here, in why LMAD would be an appealing show to revive in today's time, and makes some comparisons (again...) to DoND. It seems, from what I've read so far, there are a decent number of people online, outside of the disgruntled GL fans, really gunning for this to happen. I especially got a chuckle out of his line "the show's prevailing sense of doom." Amen, sir.
With the recent casting call posted on Craigslist, which many signs seem to point towards it being for Pyramid, and the hype an LMaD revival is getting, I'll place my idealistic bets on those two getting the nod. Again though, it just could be my idealistic, overly biased game show mentality again, but hell, it would be the first hour of appointment afternoon TV I've had personally since... uh... *thinks*... 1995?... wow.
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[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'216329\' date=\'May 22 2009, 02:43 PM\']http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/05/08/i...e-a-deal-again/ (http://\"http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/05/08/its-2009-lets-make-a-deal-again/\")[/quote]
The comments make my head hurt.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216333\' date=\'May 22 2009, 01:55 PM\']The comments make my head hurt.[/quote]
Agreed. I realize I'm sort of sitting in the lions' den when I say this, but on the information superhighway, everybody has an opinion that gets aired -- opinions that, 50 years ago, wouldn't have gotten printed in "Letters to the Editor" (the only place where you could talk back; talk radio not quite having been invented). Or, as John Lennon once said (he probably wasn't the first), "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'216348\' date=\'May 22 2009, 01:24 PM\']"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."[/quote]
...and they usually stink. :)
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yes they need 2 bring back JERICHO and not some dumb game show we need education programs 4 kids and other people so bring back jericho
This one wins it for me.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'216354\' date=\'May 22 2009, 04:45 PM\']
yes they need 2 bring back JERICHO and not some dumb game show we need education programs 4 kids and other people so bring back jericho
This one wins it for me.
[/quote]
Apparently said poster could use some "education programs 4 kids and other people".
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216355\' date=\'May 22 2009, 01:50 PM\']Apparently said poster could use some "education programs 4 kids and other people".[/quote]
Approves (http://\"http://images.quickblogcast.com/76676-67171/zoolander_school_1.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'216355\' date=\'May 22 2009, 03:50 PM\'][quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'216354\' date=\'May 22 2009, 04:45 PM\']
yes they need 2 bring back JERICHO and not some dumb game show we need education programs 4 kids and other people so bring back jericho
This one wins it for me.
[/quote]
Apparently said poster could use some "education programs 4 kids and other people".
[/quote]
And maps and such as.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'216354\' date=\'May 22 2009, 03:45 PM\']
yes they need 2 bring back JERICHO and not some dumb game show we need education programs 4 kids and other people so bring back jericho
This one wins it for me.
[/quote]
I hate Jericho fans, I really do.
/waiting for someone to just say "The show's cancelled, get over it"
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216360\' date=\'May 22 2009, 02:17 PM\']"The show's cancelled, get over it"[/quote]
QFT. Shows come and go, and it's sad when you lose a show you like. However, in today's 'GIVE IT TO MEEEEEE!' society, small groups expect expensive programs to be created only for them or their interests - and not the viewing public as a whole.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216360\' date=\'May 22 2009, 04:17 PM\']"The show's cancelled, get over it"[/quote]
That phrase could apply to several other short-lived TV shows too.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'216360\' date=\'May 22 2009, 05:17 PM\']I hate Jericho fans, I really do.
/waiting for someone to just say "The show's cancelled, get over it"[/quote]
I don't know how often you went to Zap2It during the time when several shows were on the bubble, but I was just as averse to the comments section as Forest was with this article. Anything mentioning Chuck was a guaranteed NBC hatefest. I'm sure a lot was made about Star Trek fans getting it put back on the air in the 60s, but it feels so commonplace now. Is it that because there are so many first-run shows on now between network and cable nets and so many get canceled so quickly that the audiences are not only get smaller, but more...shall we say, fervent?
EDIT-Just saw Hastin's post, and I basically said the same thing he did. He did also bring up that people can be self-centered. It seems that when some people latch on to a low-rated and sometimes critically-acclaimed show, they think they've found a hidden gem that other Americans are too stupid to "get". Usually, they bash popular shows for being popular and call other Americans "the unwashed masses" or "sheeple".
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I think it's more the material than anything else. Chuck nor Jericho are standard-issue premises, so they are likely to build up a "unique" fanbase that is more likely to react than, say, fans of 2 1/2 Men
/Don't recall having these problems with Whedon or Sorkin vehicles.
//Probably not listening hard enough, I'm sure.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Chuck[/quote]
Am I the only one around here who likes this show?
Just curious.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216376\' date=\'May 22 2009, 08:23 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Chuck[/quote]
Am I the only one around here who likes this show?
Just curious.
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure Matt O. mentioned liking it once. I should probably like it more, but I've had my fill of butt-kicking females.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'216354\' date=\'May 22 2009, 04:45 PM\']
yes they need 2 bring back JERICHO and not some dumb game show we need education programs 4 kids and other people so bring back jericho
This one wins it for me.
[/quote]
Totally missed that comment (or maybe it wasn't posted when I found the article), but yeah... just wow.
Then, of course, nothing but support here for re-emphasizing the posts about everyone's got an opinion, like assholes, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE society and all the rest. It's why I tend to not read comments posted in response to MOST AOL articles. As time goes on though, with the ones I do find myself scanning, I find they just become that much more damn predictable, and therefore even less valuable.
And, sorry to say Joe, I don't know anybody, myself, that watches Jericho. Then again, most of my friends are female, so take that as you may... ;)
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the prize girls will surely look more like pneumatic pleasure devices
Try to top that line. Just try.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216376\' date=\'May 22 2009, 05:23 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Chuck[/quote]
Am I the only one around here who likes this show?[/quote]
No, you are not the only one.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216377\' date=\'May 22 2009, 08:46 PM\']I'm pretty sure Matt O. mentioned liking it once. I should probably like it more, but I've had my fill of butt-kicking females.[/quote]
Yep. Big fan, but not a rabid one. I wasn't even aware of whatever various and sundry "campaigns" that fans apparently were mounting. I'm happy that it's coming back. I would have been disappointed if it had been canceled, but I wouldn't be cursing or boycotting NBC over it.
Everybody here has made good points about the splintering of audiences and the rise of cult shows. Something to remember is that if it wasn't for the lower expectations networks have nowadays, shows like Chuck and Jericho would have died a lot sooner. The harder it's getting for new shows to work, the more likely a network is to let its marginal shows keep going.
There's also a relatively modern approach to what used to be called the "second season". Used to be that networks would trot out new shows in January, shows that weren't quite good enough to make it in the fall. They still do that, of course, but more and more now, familiar shows get their runs started in January, from enormous hits like Idol and 24 to the smaller appeal shows like Scrubs and now, Chuck.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Usually, they bash popular shows for being popular and call other Americans "the unwashed masses" or "sheeple".[/quote]
And they should usually get the pot and kettle lecture in return.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Usually, they bash popular shows for being popular and call other Americans "the unwashed masses" or "sheeple".[/quote]
Oh yeah, I see them all the time on various TV forums. They're always randomly saying stuff like "AMERICAN IDOL SUCKS!!!!1" and when you ask them why, they respond with a "Beats me! I've never seen an episode of that crap and never will. AMERICAN IDOL SUCKS AND EVIL AND ALL FANS ARE MORONS WHO SHOULD BE SHOT!!!!!!!!!1111111".
/Don't care much for AI myself.
//At least I've watched enough episodes to decide that opinion
///If you like it, that's fine.
////Happy to hear Chuck is coming back.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'214964\' date=\'May 5 2009, 03:24 PM\'][quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'214961\' date=\'May 5 2009, 02:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'214905\' date=\'May 4 2009, 03:29 PM\']
Umm no, I'm not interested in seeing 15 more commercials for power chairs and Diabeetus aids.[/quote]
Exactly
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You guys say that now, but just wait until you're old enough to start needing all that stuff. :)
[/quote]
I got a mailing today from Liberty Medical, in fact. Yes, I am a diabetic. No, I don't use them.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'216376\' date=\'May 22 2009, 07:23 PM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'216374\' date=\'May 22 2009, 06:56 PM\']Chuck[/quote]
Am I the only one around here who likes this show?
Just curious.
[/quote]
Count me in as a Chuck fan, too (only to the extent that I really enjoy the show, not to the extent that I wish harm on anyone who doesn't like it or on the network if/when it cancels it).
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Heck....just retool the show for a $25,000 bonus round, make it a half-hour, call it Big Money Password, get a replacement host for Regis, and put that in the daytime slot. Am I remembering correctly that the main problem with MDP has been the lack of younger viewers but has been moderately successful overall? Well...unless you count Shatner. The game's still fun, tho. Just a thot.
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' post=\'216981\' date=\'May 30 2009, 11:44 PM\']Am I remembering correctly that the main problem with MDP has been the lack of younger viewers but has been moderately successful overall?[/quote]
Yes. I don't remember if I said it here or not, but 60 Minutes was getting more young viewers than MDP. This, imo, does not a cancellation make, but it would certainly concern me if I were CBS