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Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: vtown7 on November 20, 2007, 08:34:41 PM
What is _ B _ , Alex?

Wheel and J! to move broadcasters in Canada in Fall '08 (http://\"http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2007/11/20/4671108-cp.html\")

Perhaps they'll come tape some eps up here too?

Ryan :)
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: joelvanderveen on November 21, 2007, 09:25:17 AM
Glad to hear this. I'm living in Toronto, the biggest city in the country, and even though I can pick up every other syndie game show over my aerial, none of our stations are airing "Wheel of Fortune" right now.

Our local CTV affiliate, oddly enough, is only airing "Jeopardy!" 3 nights a week, which has got to be awfully confusing for people actually trying to follow the show.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: rugrats1 on November 21, 2007, 10:25:23 AM
[quote name=\'joelvanderveen\' post=\'170180\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 09:25 AM\']
I'm living in Toronto, the biggest city in the country, and even though I can pick up every other syndie game show over my aerial, none of our stations are airing "Wheel of Fortune" right now.[/quote]

Doesn't Barrie's CKVR carry Wheel these days?

Of course, if you live in the Windsor / Detroit market, this news probably won't matter, as I doubt WDIV is willing to give up Wheel and Jeopardy to CBET (which generally replaces all American programming on CBC).
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: 1984Gameshowsfan on November 21, 2007, 10:48:25 AM
I live in the Seattle-Tacoma area and Wheel and Jeopardy are both carried on KOMO 4 our ABC affilate, plus most of the cable systems in our area pick up CBUT the Vancouver BC CBC affilate. I wonder if this means CBUT will carry Wheel and Jeopardy as well as KOMO 4.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: joelvanderveen on November 21, 2007, 10:48:55 AM
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'170183\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 10:25 AM\']
Doesn't Barrie's CKVR carry Wheel these days?[/quote]

Yes, they do... it was being shown on one of the Omni multicultural stations (and before that, on CFTO), but it moved to CKVR in September. I have been unable to receive CKVR, though, with only my rabbit ears.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: TimK2003 on November 21, 2007, 11:42:16 AM
[quote name=\'joelvanderveen\' post=\'170180\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 10:25 AM\']
I'm living in Toronto, the biggest city in the country, and even though I can pick up every other syndie game show over my aerial, none of our stations are airing "Wheel of Fortune" right now. [/quote]

Lucky You!  :-P
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: clemon79 on November 21, 2007, 11:45:32 AM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'170189\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 08:42 AM\']
[quote name=\'joelvanderveen\' post=\'170180\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 10:25 AM\']
I'm living in Toronto, the biggest city in the country, and even though I can pick up every other syndie game show over my aerial, none of our stations are airing "Wheel of Fortune" right now. [/quote]

Lucky You!  :-P
[/quote]
I was gonna say....no Wheel, but they get Hockey Night in Canada...it'd be my dream city, if I didn't despise the Leafs so much. :)
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: trainman on November 22, 2007, 12:37:46 AM
[quote name=\'1984Gameshowsfan\' post=\'170185\' date=\'Nov 21 2007, 07:48 AM\']
I live in the Seattle-Tacoma area and Wheel and Jeopardy are both carried on KOMO 4 our ABC affilate, plus most of the cable systems in our area pick up CBUT the Vancouver BC CBC affilate. I wonder if this means CBUT will carry Wheel and Jeopardy as well as KOMO 4.[/quote]

It's definitely possible that KOMO will demand that CBUT's Wheel and J! broadcasts be blacked out by your local cable systems, which is their right under the FCC's "syndicated exclusivity" rules.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: dzinkin on November 22, 2007, 09:03:18 AM
I'm surprised that this is happening at all -- wasn't it the CBC that ranted about how CTV and Global were rushing to pick up first-run American shows at the expense of Canadian content?

Heck, does the CBC have any other first-run U.S. shows?
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on November 22, 2007, 10:40:47 AM
[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'170221\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 12:37 AM\'] It's definitely possible that KOMO will demand that CBUT's Wheel and J! broadcasts be blacked out by your local cable systems, which is their right under the FCC's "syndicated exclusivity" rules.
 [/quote]

But considering that CBUT's, you know, *Canadian*, wouldn't CBUT have the right to tell KOMO to go eff themselves.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: dzinkin on November 22, 2007, 10:47:36 AM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'170232\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 10:40 AM\']
[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'170221\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 12:37 AM\'] It's definitely possible that KOMO will demand that CBUT's Wheel and J! broadcasts be blacked out by your local cable systems, which is their right under the FCC's "syndicated exclusivity" rules.
[/quote]
But considering that CBUT's, you know, *Canadian*, wouldn't CBUT have the right to tell KOMO to go eff themselves.
[/quote]
Nope -- syndex applies to any out-of-market station, not just the ones in the U.S.

Now, if KOMO were to pre-empt Wheel or J! for some reason, the cable company would have every right to lift the blackout on CBUT for that night.  However, that assumes that someone at the cable company is actually keeping an eye on things and not just letting an automated system do all the work.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 22, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'170230\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 09:03 AM\']
I'm surprised that this is happening at all -- wasn't it the CBC that ranted about how CTV and Global were rushing to pick up first-run American shows at the expense of Canadian content?

Heck, does the CBC have any other first-run U.S. shows?
[/quote]

They have Martha Stewart weekdays (not sure if it is first-run, though). Not first-run, but they air "Frasier," "The Simpsons" and "Arrested Development" weekday afternoons. Nothing American in prime-time as of now.  Alex being Canadian may count.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: vtown7 on November 22, 2007, 11:58:49 AM
My apologies in advance if this was already mentioned, but I know that most if not all cable/satellite companies are CRTC regulated to override American programs in some kind of simulcast.  Ex: We don't get the american super bowl commercials.

Ryan :)

/although I did when I lived in Sackville, NB as the cable company always forgot...
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: dzinkin on November 22, 2007, 12:19:07 PM
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'170241\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 11:58 AM\']
My apologies in advance if this was already mentioned, but I know that most if not all cable/satellite companies are CRTC regulated to override American programs in some kind of simulcast.  Ex: We don't get the american super bowl commercials.
[/quote]
No, simultaneous substitution (simsub) wasn't mentioned, at least not in this thread -- we may have discussed it before but not recently.

The biggest difference between simsub in Canada and syndex/network nonduplication in the U.S. is that unless the law's changed since I last looked, simsub kicks in only when the American channel and the Canadian channel show the same episode of the same program at the same time.  Here in the USA, the time slots and episodes don't need to match for our laws to take effect.

Quote
/although I did when I lived in Sackville, NB as the cable company always forgot...
And on the flip side of that, you have Expressvu, which substitutes even when the law explicitly says that it shouldn't .  In one example, Expressvu replaced reruns of a sci-fi show on an American broadcast station with the signal of the Canadian cable network Space even though simsub is supposed to be only broadcast-for-broadcast.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: clemon79 on November 22, 2007, 12:40:05 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' post=\'170233\' date=\'Nov 22 2007, 07:47 AM\']
However, that assumes that someone at the cable company is actually keeping an eye on things and not just letting an automated system do all the work.[/quote]
...and speaking as a Seattle Comcast customer, if this ever happened, I'd be worn out in a hurry, from chasing around the pig that would have just flown out of my ass.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: JCGames on November 22, 2007, 09:32:34 PM
I think the CBC still runs Wonderful World of Disney late Sunday afternoons, subject to sports pre-emtions.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: drmusic_99 on November 22, 2007, 11:21:31 PM
Just a note... in western Canadian markets like Saskatchewan, CTV stations carry both Wheel and J! in the 5:00 to 6:00 block (and have had for years.) It is different in some eastern markets.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: rugrats1 on November 23, 2007, 08:19:36 PM
The main reason why they do that is so they could simsub over WDIV, which, during DST, shows Wheel and Jeopardy during the 7PM hour ET / 5PM CST (Saskatchewan does not observe DST). Do the CTV stations in SK show them at 5 when Detroit's in Standard Time?
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: uncamark on November 28, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
Generally, the CRTC would prefer that the CBC not program U.S. product during prime time.  UK programming seems OK (they strip "Coronation Street" at 7 p.m., "Torchwood" airs on Friday nights--and that may be a CBC co-production, since the "Doctor Who" revival that "Torchwood" is a spinoff of is also a CBC co-production), but no U.S. this week in prime time except for "The Incredibles."

The last time I think they programmed a U.S. series in prime time was "The One," the short-lived U.S. version of the Endemol talent show format "Fame Academy."  Endemol wanted George Stroumboulopoulos, host of the CBC late-night show "The Hour," to host the show, but the CBC would only let him out of their contract if they got "The One" and if Endemol agreed to produce a Canadian version of the series.  On top of that, in order to air the performance night of the show live in the eastern Canada time zones, the nightly newscast "The National" had to be pre-empted in those zones, to the chagrin of CBC News.  Thankfully, "The One" got cancelled after two weeks, Stroumboulopoulos went back to "The Hour," "The National" returned to its normal time slot and a Canadian version has yet to appear.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: rugrats1 on November 28, 2007, 09:10:18 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' post=\'170719\' date=\'Nov 28 2007, 06:15 PM\']
Generally, the CRTC would prefer that the CBC not program U.S. product during prime time.  UK programming seems OK (they strip "Coronation Street" at 7 p.m.)...
[/quote]

Since it's CRTC policy to keep the CBC non-American in prime-time (other than an occasional film), I wonder if the policy will stick in September 2008. Otherwise, Wheel or Jeopardy may end up being daytime or 5PM hour programs on the CBC.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: vtown7 on November 29, 2007, 07:16:14 AM
I believe that I read somewhere that, Wheel would air at 5.30 as a lead in to the news and J! at 7 as a lead in to the primetime schedule (or vice versa) Although Coronation Street airs in the 7 slot right now I do believe and I don't see the CBC moving it very easily.

Ryan :)

/one half-hour later in most parts of Newfoundland and Labrador
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: polo23 on August 19, 2008, 01:57:46 AM
Don't look for CBET to carry Wheel or Jeopardy. WDIV is in fact trying to keep a block on them.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: rugrats1 on August 19, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
[quote name=\'polo23\' post=\'194455\' date=\'Aug 19 2008, 01:57 AM\']
Don't look for CBET to carry Wheel or Jeopardy. WDIV is in fact trying to keep a block on them.
[/quote]
 I thought the blackout of American shows on CBC in Windsor was already a given -- last time I checked, CBC's daytime repeats of "The Simpsons" and "Frasier" was replaced with other programming on CBET.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: mmb5 on August 19, 2008, 10:59:26 PM
It's pretty automatic.  The last time there was any issue at all was with the Larry Sanders Show in the 90s, since it wasn't broadcast, there was a question of blackout.  It aired for a little bit before HBO put the hammer down, and it went poof.


--Mike
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: vtown7 on August 20, 2008, 09:35:59 AM
As confirmed during commercials during CBC's Olympic coverage yesterday, Wheel will air at 5.30 and J! at 7.30.  Regarding CBET: wouldn't the issue only be with the shows being simulcast?  

As for time placements, I can't say for J!, but I know of a friend who works at the CBC and he said that in his market that the CBC is happy to have Wheel as a lead in to the supper hour news - it gives them lots of chances to air bumpers for what's coming up.

Ryan
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 20, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
The only time I remember Channel 9 (CKLW, later CBET) sharing rights to a show with an American station was "That Girl" in the mid-70's  For some reason, Worldvision allowed both Channel 4 and Channel 9 to air it.  Maybe they thought Detroit and Windsor were separate markets.  Before the CBC took over Channel 9 around 75, they looked just like an independent station in the afternoon, with Bewitched, Andy Griffith, etc.  Mornings and Primetime were all Canuck, though.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: mmb5 on August 20, 2008, 12:50:14 PM
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'194589\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 09:35 AM\']
Regarding CBET: wouldn't the issue only be with the shows being simulcast?  
[/quote]
The short story: American cable systems don't sim-sub CBET, they carry it whole.

The long story: It was decided a long, long time ago, in a time before cable, that Detroit and Windsor are one market, meaning that any network show that crossed borders would only be on one station, and the American networks had first priority.  In the early days, CBET solved this by being a CBC/DuMont station and then went cherry picking with old movies, British shows or a CTV offering, since Windsor has never had a true CTV station.  They also were a reasonable player in the syndicated market, picking up a fair number of sitcoms and because it could satisfy CanCon, they had Beat the Clock.

However, in the 70s, CBET was bought by the CBC, who pretty much deemphasized being a player in the syndicated market.  So, any substitution of American shows was pretty much with a British show and the station fell rapidly in the market.  By the late 80s, CBET was that curious little channel on your cable system that showed a lot of hockey and Canadian football.

Until this recent pickup, the only two American shows that CBET had to block out were the 5 PM Simpsons rerun and the 5:30 PM Arrested Development rerun, substituting an extra showing of 'The Hour'.  The Sunday night movie is a case-by-case basis, and for some reason that defies the Geneva Convention they do show Martha Stewart.  CBET is not required to blackout sports with the exception of the Blue Jays if the Tigers are at home.  


--Mike, still upset that DirecTV doesn't carry CBET
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2008, 01:08:37 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194604\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 12:50 PM\']By the late 80s, CBET was that curious little channel on your cable system that showed a lot of hockey and Canadian football.[/quote]
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.

Even cable systems in Lansing, about a hundred miles from the Canadian border, carry CBET.  I never really knew that there were rules about not using American shows, but yes, as Mike said, it was always a "curious little channel" that carried something different, and now that I have DirecTV, I miss it too.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2008, 01:20:47 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194604\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 09:50 AM\']--Mike, still upset that DirecTV doesn't carry CBET[/quote]
The lack of CBC is a big player in the likelyhood of me actually staying with Comcast even if I *do* move someplace with a view of the south sky next year.

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194606\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:08 AM\']
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.[/quote]
I greatly look forward to taking another meal with Mike in two years in Vancouver because of this weird-assed rock-swatting festival. :)
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: mmb5 on August 20, 2008, 01:31:04 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194606\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:08 PM\']
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.
[/quote]
CBC loses a major part of curling for 2008-09.  They picked up a few random events, but its roughly akin to losing rights to all of golf's majors but picking up The Milwaukee Open.

Actually, touching the rock is a bad thing.  Remind me to invite you the next time I go.


--Mike
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Post by: tpirfan28 on August 20, 2008, 02:23:41 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194606\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:08 PM\']
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.[/quote]One of only a couple of reasons I watch the Winter Olympics.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2008, 04:13:46 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194615\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194606\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:08 PM\']
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.
[/quote]Actually, touching the rock is a bad thing.  Remind me to invite you the next time I go.[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'd like to point out that this is the same person who introduced me to a curling game on the Nintendo Wii -- a curling game on the Wii -- and promptly complained over its lack of verisimilitude.  I think I was completely justified in hitting him over the head with one of those big-ass rocks.

/Seriously, the best team was African-American.
//Curling.
///On the Wii.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: mmb5 on August 20, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194632\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 04:13 PM\']
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'd like to point out that this is the same person who introduced me to a curling game on the Nintendo Wii -- a curling game on the Wii -- and promptly complained over its lack of verisimilitude.  I think I was completely justified in hitting him over the head with one of those big-ass rocks.

/Seriously, the best team was African-American.
//Curling.
///On the Wii.
[/quote]
And I would like to counter that it was not my Wii and it wasn't my game.  Therefore, I was not the introducer.  I certainly was the complainer, though.

Actually, one of the top world curlers is African-Russian (http://\"http://www.seasonofchampions.ca/2007continentalcup/teams_liudmila_privivkova.asp\").


--Mike
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 20, 2008, 04:26:06 PM
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194633\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 04:21 PM\']Actually, one of the top world curlers is African-Russian (http://\"http://www.seasonofchampions.ca/2007continentalcup/teams_liudmila_privivkova.asp\").
[/quote]
Hey, Russian curlers are hot.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: tpirfan28 on August 20, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194632\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 04:13 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194615\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:31 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194606\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 01:08 PM\']
And that weird-ass thing where they stand on the ice and swat at big rocks with brooms.
[/quote]Actually, touching the rock is a bad thing.  Remind me to invite you the next time I go.[/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'd like to point out that this is the same person who introduced me to a curling game on the Nintendo Wii -- a curling game on the Wii -- and promptly complained over its lack of verisimilitude.  I think I was completely justified in hitting him over the head with one of those big-ass rocks.

/Seriously, the best team was African-American.
//Curling.
///On the Wii.
[/quote]
Hmmm...Winter Sports 2008?  I should know...I just got done curling on there.

/Not good, but not bad.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: MikeK on August 20, 2008, 05:05:29 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'194635\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 04:38 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'194632\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 04:13 PM\']//Curling.
///On the Wii.[/quote]
Hmmm...Winter Sports 2008?  I should know...I just got done curling on there.

/Not good, but not bad.[/quote]
Game Party has a curling unlockable if you do something in the table shuffleboard game which, apparently, I have not done yet.  (ETA:  75 tickets in table shuffleboard.  Now we know.)

To bring it back to game shows a smidgen, table shuffleboard = Beat the Clock's Bonus Shuffle without the groupings by multiples of $100.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: clemon79 on August 20, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
Prolly it was in Deca Sports. I was gonna get it pretty much just for the curling, but then I read some horriffic reviews. and decided to save my money.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: tpirfan28 on August 20, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194643\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:09 PM\']
Prolly it was in Deca Sports. I was gonna get it pretty much just for the curling, but then I read some horriffic reviews. and decided to save my money.
[/quote]
I completely forgot about Deca Sports.  I saw gameplay of it while going through a store and thought I might pick it up when I pick up TPIR in a couple of weeks.  Might now re-think that.

Winter Sports 2008's controls seem bizarre for curling, but after some practice, I got the hang of it.  It's much easier on a controller-based system (I played it on a PS2, I think) and it was much easier to control.

/Curling for Dollars, anyone?
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: mmb5 on August 20, 2008, 08:55:09 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194643\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 06:09 PM\']
Prolly it was in Deca Sports. I was gonna get it pretty much just for the curling, but then I read some horriffic reviews. and decided to save my money.
[/quote]
The game I played and Matt watched was the Deca Sports.  According to the person who brought it, the only good games were curling (it was OK, but I've played better) and archery.  And for some strange reason, people really got into the figure skating.

Game show content: No less than five former or current Jeopardy! contestants were there for the evening in question.


--Mike
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Post by: mrchips on August 20, 2008, 11:45:50 PM
Something to try next time the women are on: Close your eyes and listen. Curling match . . . or whoopee session? You make the call.

/caught the fever in 2002
//watched it for the strategy, of course
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: trainman on August 21, 2008, 12:20:34 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'194612\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 10:20 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'194604\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 09:50 AM\']--Mike, still upset that DirecTV doesn't carry CBET[/quote]
The lack of CBC is a big player in the likelyhood of me actually staying with Comcast even if I *do* move someplace with a view of the south sky next year.[/quote]

Complain to your congressman/senator -- the problem is that DirecTV is not legally allowed to carry the Canadian over-the-air channels as part of their "local-into-local" service.

They do carry "Hockey Night in Canada" as part of the NHL Center Ice package, which I've watched when they're having a free preview.  The feed they pick up seems to come from Prince Edward Island, for some reason.
Title: Welcome back Alex, Hello there Pat
Post by: rugrats1 on August 21, 2008, 08:08:41 AM
[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'194706\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:20 AM\']the problem is that DirecTV is not legally allowed to carry the Canadian over-the-air channels as part of their "local-into-local" service.[/quote]

Yet they're allowed to carry channels such as XETV (which recently became a CW affiliate), a Mexican-licensed channel, for San Diego-area viewers.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on August 21, 2008, 12:20:27 PM
Quote
In the early days, CBET solved this by being a CBC/DuMont station and then went cherry picking with old movies, British shows or a CTV offering, since Windsor has never had a true CTV station.

I think Ch 42 Sarnia (a CKCO repeater) is the “default” CTV station for Windsor; but it probably has a weak, directional signal that doesn’t spill over into Michigan very far.

It’s surprising how much carriage CBET gets on US cable systems.  Windsor has a few other stations (CHWI, an independent - now “A” channel; TVOntario; and a French CBC channel) which I don’t think get much carriage outside of Windsor.  I don’t know why they’ve never had a CTV station right in the city – it’s big enough to warrant one.
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Post by: mmb5 on August 21, 2008, 12:40:52 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'194737\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:20 PM\']
It’s surprising how much carriage CBET gets on US cable systems.  Windsor has a few other stations (CHWI, an independent - now “A” channel; TVOntario; and a French CBC channel) which I don’t think get much carriage outside of Windsor.  I don’t know why they’ve never had a CTV station right in the city – it’s big enough to warrant one.
[/quote]
If CTV puts a city grade signal into Windsor, it falls into the market, and therefore would lose most of its prime-time.  Global and A Channel's signals are very weak and are technically not in Windsor so they can show American shows.

Growing up in a Detroit suburb that touched the Detroit river, I could pluck A Channel and Global on a good day, I could never pull CTV.  The CBC, TVOntario and SRC signals are all full power, and can be gotten pretty much no problem.  I can still pull the CBC in Ann Arbor, and occasionally get the other two on a good day.  Cable-wise, everybody in the Detroit market carries the CBC via CBET, many used to carry TVOntario but stoped when channel capacity became an issue.  A few systems in the northern part of the market carry CTV-Sarnia signal, while most other non-Detroit market Michigan systems that still carry the CBC now carry the feed from Montreal.


--Mike
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 21, 2008, 01:28:07 PM
Nowadays, we get the feed from Montreal here in Bay City, but we used to get CBET on cable up until the Ren Cen went up.  The cable company said the building was preventing them from getting a stable signal.  WTCG went in shortly thereafter (79 or so).
The CKCO repeater never was on cable, but I could get a snowy signal of it and Global if atmospheric conditions were right (usually in the Summer).
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 21, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'194728\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 07:08 AM\']
[quote name=\'trainman\' post=\'194706\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 12:20 AM\']the problem is that DirecTV is not legally allowed to carry the Canadian over-the-air channels as part of their "local-into-local" service.[/quote]

Yet they're allowed to carry channels such as XETV (which recently became a CW affiliate), a Mexican-licensed channel, for San Diego-area viewers.
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Isn't the difference, though, that XETV actually serves San Diego, while CBET doesn't serve Detroit?
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on August 21, 2008, 01:51:12 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'194746\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 01:40 PM\']Isn't the difference, though, that XETV actually serves San Diego, while CBET doesn't serve Detroit?[/quote]
"Serves" is a meaningless term here.  XETV is a Mexican-licensed channel, just as CBET is a Canadian-licensed channel.  XETV may serve/cater/try-to-gain-viewers-from San Diego more aggressively than CBET tries to serve/cater/try-to-gain-viewers-from Detroit, but that's just between them and their advertisers.  It doesn't change the fundamental fact that both channels are based in countries outside the United States.
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Post by: mmb5 on August 21, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'194746\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 01:40 PM\']
Isn't the difference, though, that XETV actually serves San Diego, while CBET doesn't serve Detroit?
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CBET technically serves Detroit, they just choose not to do it.  If they were privately owned now like they were before 1976, they would probably be more of a player in the market like some of the Windsor-based radio stations, which are Canadian in name only.  For example, the Detroit AM home for Michigan football is a Windsor-based station.
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 21, 2008, 03:20:58 PM
Points taken, Mike and Matt.  Thanks!
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Post by: drmusic_99 on August 21, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
To answer a question from a ways back, CTV Saskatchewan has always run Wheel and Jeopardy at 5pm, even during the winter when they air at 6 on WDIV. (They wouldn't bump the 6 o'clock news to simsub these shows -- the newscast is still more lucrative.)

I haven't seen the fall program grid for either network, but I'd have to assume that in this market, CBC will leave the two shows at 5 and 5:30, as a lead-in for CBC News at Six, and hope for some kind of bump.

I don't think up until now they've made much of a difference in that respect, though -- people are pretty entrenched in their news-viewing ways in this market, and I don't think Global (then STV) got much of a bump for their nascent news operation when they had the rights to Wheel and J! in the late 80s and early 90s, and CTV news was so powerful then, that it wouldn't have made much difference when the shows switched over to CTV.
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Post by: Argo on August 21, 2008, 11:35:41 PM
A local independent station, NTV - Newfoundland's Superstation, has Jeopardy & Wheel at 5:00 ant 5:30 to lead in to their evening news at 6pm. They used to air TPIR at 7 pm following the news until about 10 years ago or so. I used to find it odd because I would watch TPIR at night, and times that i stayed home and watched the CBS episode the next day, it was a repeat of the previous nights on NTV. Found it strange they were one up on the CBS affiliate.

Also, btw NTV was a strong CTV affiliate (CJON-TV). It has been an independent for some time with some connections to CTV but I don't know how strong they are.
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Post by: rugrats1 on August 22, 2008, 08:09:50 AM
[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'194793\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 11:35 PM\']
A local independent station, NTV - Newfoundland's Superstation, has Jeopardy & Wheel at 5:00 ant 5:30 to lead in to their evening news at 6pm.[/quote]

Didn't NTV air them in the middle of the night recently?

[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'194793\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 11:35 PM\']
Also, btw NTV was a strong CTV affiliate (CJON-TV). It has been an independent for some time with some connections to CTV but I don't know how strong they are.
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Of course, when you're one of only two TV stations on "The Rock" (excluding the French Radio-Canada repeater), you can be as strong as you want. Especially if you have "Captain Canada" and "Captain Newfoundland" at your side.
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Post by: vtown7 on August 22, 2008, 08:46:54 AM
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'194807\' date=\'Aug 22 2008, 08:09 AM\']
[quote name=\'Argo\' post=\'194793\' date=\'Aug 21 2008, 11:35 PM\']
A local independent station, NTV - Newfoundland's Superstation, has Jeopardy & Wheel at 5:00 ant 5:30 to lead in to their evening news at 6pm.[/quote]

Didn't NTV air them in the middle of the night recently?
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Yes - they have moved them to the middle of the night - and started promoting the heck out of Syndie Deal.

And they pretty much can cherry pick what they want from the US schedule - their schedule is a mishmash of everything Global, Rogers/City, and CTV.

Ryan :)

/who apparently has to start supporting CTV, as rumour has it that the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan has bought/is going to buy Bell.
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Post by: drmusic_99 on August 24, 2008, 02:27:43 PM
Bell no longer owns CTV... the Thomson family has majority control now.

NTV is basically a Global affiliate these days that happens to air CTV National News (and the local NTV news uses the CTV graphics package.) The story is they're afraid to upset that balance for fear Global, CTV, or both will start a repeater in the province and run them out of business.

Anyway, back on topic, it looks like CBC in Saskatchewan will have Wheel at 5:30, based on a promo I just saw. I find it odd that they would split up the two shows.

I wonder if CTV will try to pick up a game show to replace it. Last time it lost Wheel (to Global), CKCK Regina aired The Challengers up against it.

EDIT: More accurately, Challengers aired at 5:30, up against Jeopardy on STV (Global).