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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jamey Greek on February 20, 2009, 08:34:15 PM
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Was there a pilot shot for Match Game 85? I have heard that KXTV 10 in Sacramento (then a CBS affiliate) was supposed to carry the show. Have stations already signed on for the version? Before ET revealed Gene's age? Who was supposed to announce? Wasn't it supposed to be shot at Studio 33?
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I don't think there was a pilot. In the trade ads, there was just a pic of Gene on a blue background, IIRC. Check the NATPE issues of Broadcasting or Variety for confirmation. I don't think they got as far as choosing announcers, but I would guess either Johnny Olson or Gene Wood would have gotten the nod. Probably would have shot in 33.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'208527\' date=\'Feb 20 2009, 08:34 PM\']
Was there a pilot shot for Match Game 85? I have heard that KXTV 10 in Sacramento (then a CBS affiliate) was supposed to carry the show.
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The timeline of this intrigues me a bit. At what point was Match Game '85 abandoned to free Gene for his dream job at the helm of Ersatz Break The Bank?
If ET spilling the beans screwed up the MG85 debut (I presume it would have been a December 1984 announcement), was the viewpoint of the BtB85 upper echelon "I don't care how old he is. We want HIM!"......for thirteen weeks.
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Was it a sorta mock pilot, Or for real?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'208584\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 05:06 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'208527\' date=\'Feb 20 2009, 08:34 PM\']
Was there a pilot shot for Match Game 85? I have heard that KXTV 10 in Sacramento (then a CBS affiliate) was supposed to carry the show.
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The timeline of this intrigues me a bit. At what point was Match Game '85 abandoned to free Gene for his dream job at the helm of Ersatz Break The Bank?
If ET spilling the beans screwed up the MG85 debut (I presume it would have been a December 1984 announcement), was the viewpoint of the BtB85 upper echelon "I don't care how old he is. We want HIM!"......for thirteen weeks.
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I remember reading in a trade magazine as well (this would have been around early '86 or ' early '87) that MG was going to be revived in the fall of '87 as well. Of course, this never happened either.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'208589\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 06:05 PM\']
I remember reading in a trade magazine as well (this would have been around early '86 or ' early '87) that MG was going to be revived in the fall of '87 as well. Of course, this never happened either.
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Do you suppose ET gave out the birthday in December 1986 then and THAT'S the time (not in 1985) when it was decreed that a Match Game with Gene wouldn't sell?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'208591\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 07:32 PM\']
Do you suppose ET gave out the birthday in December 1986 then and THAT'S the time (not in 1985) when it was decreed that a Match Game with Gene wouldn't sell?
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Quite possibly. I wish I knew where these trade magazines were at or what they were called..I don't think it was B&C (was it just known as "Broadcasting" at the time?)..I long pitched them. I shall try and find old
Broadcasting mags sometime to solve this mystery once and for all...
I'm so surprised with as many GS fans as we have here (some older than me), that a firm date for this MG remake was never established.
I wonder if the 1985 that is embedded in our brains comes from some confusion with the reruns airing in '85..
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'208597\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 09:06 PM\']
Quite possibly. I wish I knew where these trade magazines were at or what they were called..I don't think it was B&C (was it just known as "Broadcasting" at the time?)
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Yep...my college's library had several bound copies, where each "book" consisted of about six months worth of magazines. Used to spend countless hours reading that freshman year. :-)
There was another one that I can't recall as well. I believe it folded around 1987 or so.
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The mag you're thinking of is probably Television/Radio Age. Electronic Media was (is?) more of a tabloid sized publication. Both had scads of ads for shows that never were.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208599\' date=\'Feb 21 2009, 09:25 PM\']
The mag you're thinking of is probably Television/Radio Age. Electronic Media was (is?) more of a tabloid sized publication. Both had scads of ads for shows that never were.
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From what I remember of this mag (and I do remember TV/Radio age as well), this mag had a chart of the new syndicated shows and when they may premiere.
Incidentally, Brandon, I lived close to a college and looked at Broadcasting all the time. I remember seeing something about the Shafer MG possibly going to syndication but that never materialized of course...
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Until I hear it from a reliable source, I'm chalking up this "Gene Rayburn's age on ET" story as so much Internet fanb0i mythology. Do you seriously think there's anyone in the industry who couldn't have estimated Gene's age?
ObGSF: It's not nice to play pranks on the board. One could have one's posting priveleges suspended.
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The mystery book I read...I remember a few early-80s copies included ads for a graphic design company, and each ad contained screenshots from their clients' commercials. I remember being very shocked to find screenshots from my current TV station, c. 1981-82.
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My college library has nearly all of the run of Broadcasting Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing the ads for the new updated Match Game starring Gene appearing in early 87.
Greg
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208607\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 03:23 AM\']
Until I hear it from a reliable source, I'm chalking up this "Gene Rayburn's age on ET" story as so much Internet fanb0i mythology. Do you seriously think there's anyone in the industry who couldn't have estimated Gene's age?
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Someone told that story once during a radio interview, but attributed it to the 1990 revival of MG. Said that old Gene was signed, sealed and delivered, until the producers realized Gene was that old. Tell you the truth, I had no idea he was as old as he was when I was enjoying him on the 7x series.
Oh, and the person in that radio interview? Hardly an Internet hacker. Guy's name was Charles Nelson Reilly.
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'208636\' date=\'Feb 22 2009, 11:57 PM\']
My college library has nearly all of the run of Broadcasting Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing the ads for the new updated Match Game starring Gene appearing in ads in early 87.
Greg
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Good! Then I'm not too crazy then...:)
I wonder if the 1985 year had anything to do with the book "Total Television" listing 1985 as a year that MG was on...When in reality it was just the syndie episodes getting another run in a few spots...
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'208717\' date=\'Feb 24 2009, 01:14 PM\']
I wonder if the 1985 year had anything to do with the book "Total Television" listing 1985 as a year that MG was on...
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Given their propensity for accuracy, I suspect that is exactly how 1985 came to be considered the target year.
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Someone told that story once during a radio interview, but attributed it to the 1990 revival of MG. Said that old Gene was signed, sealed and delivered, until the producers realized Gene was that old. Tell you the truth, I had no idea he was as old as he was when I was enjoying him on the 7x series.
Oh, and the person in that radio interview? Hardly an Internet hacker. Guy's name was Charles Nelson Reilly.
What I've heard from people inside the company is that Bert Convy was their first choice for '90, until he became unavailable for obvious reasons. Gene was not considered for that version. Goodson knew how old Gene was, so I dispute Charles' account of it.
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IIRC, Gene appeared on a talk show in the 90s (might have been Geraldo, not sure). He said Mark Goodson pitched the MG '90 pilot to ABC with him as the host. When ET revealed his age, ABC told Goodson "We want a younger guy." I think Art Fleming was on the same show and CNR called in to talk to Gene.
Goodson didn't have a problem with age, the networks did. Rayburn, Cullen, Ludden and Barker all worked for Goodson when they were over 60.
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'208829\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 03:18 PM\'] When ET revealed his age, ABC told Goodson "We want a younger guy." [/quote]
I know this is the story, but I also know this is the story as told by Gene who might have a slightly biased view of the whole thing, you think? It makes for an interesting story, which is what entertainers like Gene and CNR know how to do to elicit sympathy, but to my knowledge no one's ever corroborated it.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208828\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 03:06 PM\']
Someone told that story once during a radio interview, but attributed it to the 1990 revival of MG. Said that old Gene was signed, sealed and delivered, until the producers realized Gene was that old. Tell you the truth, I had no idea he was as old as he was when I was enjoying him on the 7x series.
Oh, and the person in that radio interview? Hardly an Internet hacker. Guy's name was Charles Nelson Reilly.
What I've heard from people inside the company is that Bert Convy was their first choice for '90, until he became unavailable for obvious reasons. Gene was not considered for that version. Goodson knew how old Gene was, so I dispute Charles' account of it.
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I raise the following, though, just because I think it kinda sounds plausible...
Even though Goodson had the final say (for obvious reasons), do you think that if enough of his staff raised a stink over Rayburn's age, would it have been enough to sway him to go somewhere else if indeed he was the first choice?
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By 1990 Rayburn had already been let go from Break the Bank, so perhaps some combination of Goodson and ABC agreed that Rayburn's best days were behind him. My memory is dim -- was Mike Brockman at ABC at the time?
Toward the end of the Brett and Charles version, Goodson was unhappy with the show in general and Gene in particular (I read the memo).
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208856\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 10:36 PM\']
Toward the end of the Brett and Charles version, Goodson was unhappy with the show in general and Gene in particular (I read the memo).
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That's interesting. Why?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'208859\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 11:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208856\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 10:36 PM\']
Toward the end of the Brett and Charles version, Goodson was unhappy with the show in general and Gene in particular (I read the memo).
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That's interesting. Why?
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I don't have any credible reasoning as to why Mr. Goodson was unhappy about the show in its final years, but I didn't like the show's final years either.
My reason is that the shows were edited so much (they trimmed down the think music/contestant banter to 2 or 3 seconds). There were many times in which before I could think of a good answer they were already repeating the contestant's response.
/This era of Match Game would make Jeopardy look like Primetime Deal or No Deal in terms of speed.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'208869\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:03 AM\']
[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'208859\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 11:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208856\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 10:36 PM\']
Toward the end of the Brett and Charles version, Goodson was unhappy with the show in general and Gene in particular (I read the memo).
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That's interesting. Why?
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I don't have any credible reasoning as to why Mr. Goodson was unhappy about the show in its final years, but I didn't like the show's final years either.
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I agree, the editing of the celebrity banter took a lot of entertainment value out of the show. Also, a lot of the "crazy antics" during those episodes seemed forced...Gene running around the studio as part of his entrance, switching positions with Betty, McLean, Charles, etc.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'208876\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 12:04 PM\']
I agree, the editing of the celebrity banter took a lot of entertainment value out of the show. Also, a lot of the "crazy antics" during those episodes seemed forced...Gene running around the studio as part of his entrance, switching positions with Betty, McLean, Charles, etc.
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I couldn't think of the right way to explain why I'm not a fan of the latter episodes, but this about sums it up, so thank you. :-)
I think the editing and the loss of Richard both hurt the show. Richard had great chemistry with the cast, and it was sorely missed when he left. McLean was okay, and so was Bill Daily, but the chemistry just wasn't there like with Richard.
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Around the time MG90 premiered, I remember reading a Gene Rayburn interview from (I think) AP where he claimed he openly lobbied to host the show (not sure if this was before or after Convy pulled out), but was turned down for being "too old," then claimed "Entertainment Tonight" revealing his age to the world ruined his career. He also criticized Ross Shafer's hosting of the show.
It's odd that Rayburn would openly complain about his age being revealed to the world when, for years, his age was revealed at least once a year in the AP's "This Day in History/Happy Birthday" release, and was published in numerous newspapers and broadcast on numerous radio and TV stations. It certainly could not be a secret in Hollywood.
While age may have been a factor in Rayburn not getting the chance to host revivals in 1987 and 1990, I have to wonder if he brought himself down for becoming cantankerous and difficult in his later years. Perhaps he had a reputation in the 60s and 70s, but little has been revealed. What's known about his "negative reputation" seem to focus on the 80s and 90s. (MG/HS battles over Jon Bauman and show quality, leaving BtB85, interviews over the "ET incident" and MG90, openly criticizing his successors, etc.)
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'208859\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 10:45 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'208856\' date=\'Feb 25 2009, 10:36 PM\']
Toward the end of the Brett and Charles version, Goodson was unhappy with the show in general and Gene in particular (I read the memo).
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That's interesting. Why?
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While awaiting Chris's response, I wonder if it's how the drinks hit them. In earlier years, they would be tipsy and delightful. In the syndicated years, they looked tired. Gene seemed to go through the motions, letting the game slide. He did seem to get a huge kick out of McLean. I do, too, but McLean never really shifted into game mode like other panelists did.
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Remember Goodson wasn't (allegedly) particularly happy with the show's humor to begin with.
The last couple of years were pretty bad, but mostly because there weren't any "new" additions to the panel that people liked. I mean, I know people here liked McLean, but by 1981, he pretty much carried the stench of failure with him, deserved or not. And the show needed a little influx of youth -- when the show started, irregulars like Elaine Joyce, Fannie Flagg, and Patti Deutsch were still in their late 20s, but by the end, who was really young? Debralee Scott?
I can see how people missed Gene's age -- anyone who had been in the business for awhile should have been able to piece together he was at least in his 60s, but I don't think they thought he was 70 in 1987. There were no 70-year-old hosts at that point.
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'208891\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 03:32 PM\']
Around the time MG90 premiered, I remember reading a Gene Rayburn interview from (I think) AP where he claimed he openly lobbied to host the show (not sure if this was before or after Convy pulled out), but was turned down for being "too old," then claimed "Entertainment Tonight" revealing his age to the world ruined his career. He also criticized Ross Shafer's hosting of the show.
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IMHO, if anything hurt Gene's career. or brought his chances down on hosting another MG revival, it would have been his performance on the Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour. Granted, the quality of the show wasn't as good, and they had a lot more stiffs on MGHSH than the on 7x run...
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MGHS had nothing to do with that. Trade magazine ads for a new version with Gene as host ran during a subsequent NATPE. A good portion of this forum is surmising now it must have been for fall 87. That makes sense because Goodson had TPIR in strip syndication for 85-86 and Card Sharks for 86-87.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208912\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 08:04 PM\']
MGHS had nothing to do with that. Trade magazine ads for a new version with Gene as host ran during a subsequent NATPE. A good portion of this forum is surmising now it must have been for fall 87. That makes sense because Goodson had TPIR in strip syndication for 85-86 and Card Sharks for 86-87.
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I'm trying to remember but drawing a blank (no pun intended)...were there any new Goodson offerings for 87-88? I know Feud debuted in syndication in 88-89...
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When was TKO set for?
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'208920\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:04 PM\']
When was TKO set for?
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1988 or '89 IIRC.
ETA: pilot (http://\"http://usgameshows.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Pilot_Tko\") taped in November '89, so it looks like 1990.
Didn't Goodson originally try to push Feud for fall-1987? I thought I read somewhere he wanted to, but it got pushed back. Or maybe I'm thinking he wanted it to replace Blackout in spring-1988?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208921\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'208920\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:04 PM\']
When was TKO set for?
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1988 or '89 IIRC.
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Really? I recall seeing a 1990 date on it.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208921\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:14 PM\']
Didn't Goodson originally try to push Feud for fall-1987? I thought I read somewhere he wanted to, but it got pushed back. Or maybe I'm thinking he wanted it to replace Blackout in spring-1988?
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I remember coming across that somewhere, too. I always found it odd that $25K Pyramid came back "due to popular demand" only to be yanked a few months later.....I had no idea what a "stopgap" was at 13 years of age...
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In November of 87 the NBC O&O's announced a deal for the new Feud from LBS to replace its sitcom checkerboard in Sept of 88. At the time there was speculation that Goodson would try to obtain a network daytime berth for the show. There was also a rerun package of Dawson Feud starting in the fall of 85 from Viacom.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208926\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:42 PM\']
In November of 87 the NBC O&O's announced a deal for the new Feud from LBS to replace its sitcom checkerboard in Sept of 88. At the time there was speculation that Goodson would try to obtain a network daytime berth for the show. There was also a rerun package of Dawson Feud starting in the fall of 85 from Viacom.
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I believe one of the stations airing that was (W)WOR-9 in the NYC market, putting it at 8:30pm right after its 8pm news. It carried the title "Best of Family Feud" IIRC...
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That package of nighttime Feud repeats ran on WETO (now WEMT) in my hometown market of the Tri-Cities, TN/VA. It was indeed listed as "Best of..." and when GSN added the nighttime version to its schedule in 1999 or 2000, its listings also carried that title.
Greg
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I remember reading a Gene Rayburn interview from (I think) AP where he claimed he openly lobbied to host the show (not sure if this was before or after Convy pulled out), but was turned down for being "too old," then claimed "Entertainment Tonight" revealing his age to the world ruined his career.
Now that makes all kinds of sense. It sounds like Gene was being facetious in blaming ET for ruining his career. Goodson knew how old Rayburn was. Gene was sort of done after he sleepwalked his way through BTB. Naturally the fanb0iz took Gene's statement as gospel and it is now enshrined as part of Internet mythology.
The memo I saw was written before MG was cancelled by CBS. Goodson felt there were too many hijinks and didn't like Gene's "unbuttoned attitude". Goodson predicted the show would soon be cancelled, which it was. It's possible that Goodson had soured on Rayburn after the '70s/'80s version was cancelled, thinking it was partly Gene's fault, and wasn't too keen on his MG/HS performance.
I remember seeing episodes of FF in the late '80s at 2:30 am on KNBC after the repeat of their 11 pm news. They also ran Crosswits and Classic Concentration in that time slot. After Later with Bob Costas I would tune to Charlie Rose on CBS. It was a short-lived golden era with Tonight, Letterman, Later and Charlie Rose in the same evening.
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Didn't Goodson always oppose the idea of playing MG for laughs though? He was surely smart enough to realize Gene inadvertantly and effectively saved him from a 13-week failure in 1973 by insisting it be played for laughs. Being the highest rated show on daytime is no small feat; I'd also imagine that if Goodson hated that direction so much, he wouldn't have wanted Gene back in 1983, 1987 and 1990 and what we saw with Ross Shafer would have been very different.
I wouldn't totally blame Gene for Break the Bank failing. That show was an utter disaster, and this is coming from someone who got twisted enjoyment out of Eubanks Dollar a Second.
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Which also begs the question: why not have Marshall host the Squares segment of MG/HS and have someone else host the MG portion? (Possible answers: Marshall had just failed with Fantasy, Goodson was unused to working with Marshall, Goodson always brought the original host back unless bridges had been napalmed {see Dawson, Richard}.)
I'm going to throw something else in there. Gene said himself (to someone, I forget whom) that he wished he'd moved out to California rather than commuting. I've got to think, after having just gone through 9+ years of biweekly flights from New York, Gene was pretty exhausted (and Helen was pretty sick of that). He looked real happy doing Saturday Morning Live in the few times I caught it... he might have been better off sticking with that rather than going into MG/HS.
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Is there any weight to Gene Wood's comment that Rayburn was 'dragged kicking and screaming into the hour?' I've always taken that to mean he had a contract with Goodson that made him unable to refuse the spot.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208912\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 08:04 PM\']
MGHS had nothing to do with that. Trade magazine ads for a new version with Gene as host ran during a subsequent NATPE. A good portion of this forum is surmising now it must have been for fall 87. That makes sense because Goodson had TPIR in strip syndication for 85-86 and Card Sharks for 86-87.
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Fall of '87 it is (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/mg87.html\").
13 new shows were showcased at NATPE '87. 6 made it: High Rollers, Win, Lose or Draw, Split Second (Dec. 86 start), Lingo, Home Shopping Game (Summer 87 start, off by September) and Truth or Consequences. 7 did not: Gambit, Late Night Lotto, The New Dream House, Match Game, Secrets and Rumors [hosted by Harvey Korman], Trivial Pursuit and Can You Top This?.
According to the expert summary, the two winners were going to be Truth and Win. Million Dollar Chance of a Lifetime was on the bubble, and most stations took Truth as its replacement, sealing its fate. High Rollers and Secrets were given at least a 50/50 chance, and it retrospect 50/50 was right. Home Shopping Game was either going to "[be] the next form of television" or "not do well at all."
I also saw a trade ad for 130 episodes of Press Your Luck. There was no indication whether those were new episodes or just reruns.
--Mike
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Great find!
I wonder if anyone knows if it went to pilot? Chris C?
Did you find any other cool ads with shows coming soon? I always loved those, and would sometimes spend hours in the library searching for them . (Bonus answer : Yes, I know I'm a dork.)
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:14 PM\']
Fall of '87 it is (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/mg87.html\").
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Cool ad. But if I'm a station manager on January 1, 1987 with any kind of memory, I'm looking at the same old logo and what looks like a prettty old of Gene (he looks a lot younger here than he did in MG/HS, and that sport jacket was totally out of style by the late '80s) and I'd be asking, "Have they thought this out at all, or is this going to be the same old stuff that didn't do well the last time we aired it?"
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209101\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:14 PM\']
Fall of '87 it is (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/mg87.html\").
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Cool ad. But if I'm a station manager on January 1, 1987 with any kind of memory, [/quote]
You can stop right there. Most Stat Mgrs are morons with no memory whatsoever.
And I'd counter to say that if the S.Mgr had a memory, he'd rather run with something that was tried, tested, and successful, than a complete unknown format. But who knows? Lingo made it, and Gambit and Match did not.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209103\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 04:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'209101\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:14 PM\']
Fall of '87 it is (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/mg87.html\").
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Cool ad. But if I'm a station manager on January 1, 1987 with any kind of memory, [/quote]
You can stop right there. Most Stat Mgrs are morons with no memory whatsoever.
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Really? I ought to apply for a station manager position -- admittedly, I only have half the (dis)qualifications mentioned above.
"Duh, don't try nuttin' funny. Ya can't fool me, cause I'm a moron!"
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A bit off topic but I wonder who, if anyone, was pictured in ads for 'The Nightime Price Is Right' in '85.
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' post=\'209106\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:53 PM\']
A bit off topic but I wonder who, if anyone, was pictured in ads for 'The Nightime Price Is Right' in '85.
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Tom Kennedy in two pics. I remember seeing them in Variety magazine.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209103\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 12:32 PM\']
You can stop right there. Most Stat Mgrs are morons with no memory whatsoever. [/quote]
But goddamn if they don't look good shaking hands in a suit, don't they?
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:14 PM\']
Fall of '87 it is (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/mg87.html\").
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Mike, thank you VERY much. Now that I saw it, that's exactly the ad I remember seeing back in '87. And Gene definitely didn't look like that in '87....'83 maybe.
Oh, and Curt's assessment of Saturday Morning is spot on as well....He definitely had fun doing that show.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'209006\' date=\'Feb 27 2009, 06:49 PM\']
Is there any weight to Gene Wood's comment that Rayburn was 'dragged kicking and screaming into the hour?'
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Yes, dragged kicking and screaming by the allure of big money and a network audience.
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Didn't Goodson always oppose the idea of playing MG for laughs though? He was surely smart enough to realize Gene inadvertantly and effectively saved him from a 13-week failure in 1973 by insisting it be played for laughs. Being the highest rated show on daytime is no small feat; I'd also imagine that if Goodson hated that direction so much, he wouldn't have wanted Gene back in 1983, 1987 and 1990 and what we saw with Ross Shafer would have been very different.
You basically answered your own question. From the lips of Bobby Sherman, they (including Goodson) decided six weeks into the run of MG to make it all comedy questions. The show lasted many years after that. When I read Goodson's memo I remember wondering if he hadn't watched the show in a couple of years (distinctly possible) because not that much had changed. When MG left CBS they became more aggressive about editing the panel writing time.
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why not have Marshall host the Squares segment of MG/HS and have someone else host the MG portion? (Possible answers: Marshall had just failed with Fantasy, Goodson was unused to working with Marshall, Goodson always brought the original host back unless bridges had been napalmed {see Dawson, Richard}.)
Bobby Sherman liked Jon Bauman and they apparently didn't want an unknown quantity emceeing MG.
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Is there any weight to Gene Wood's comment that Rayburn was 'dragged kicking and screaming into the hour?' I've always taken that to mean he had a contract with Goodson that made him unable to refuse the spot.
When MG was not in production Gene didn't have a contract with G-T.
I don't believe they did a pilot for MG '87.
See, Gene Rayburn and Gene Wood might do interviews but they (and all emcees and announcers) are out of the decision-making loop (unless they are also a producer, such as Monty Hall or Jack Barry). To find out what really went on you'd have to interview Goodson or Jerry Chester (both deceased) or Ira Skutch or Bobby Sherman, but the media doesn't talk to them. In the two years I was there, no emcee ever went into a show's production offices. Instead they might be called in to do a run-thru in a room on the 14th floor specifically for that purpose. Allen and Betty, Jim Perry, Bob Hilton, Dick Martin and Pat Sajack all came to the 14th floor to do run-thrus at various times. Gene Rayburn and Bill Cullen both came in once to be on the panel of a run-thru for TTTT '90. Richard Dawson was never in the building. Monty Hall never came to the G-T offices. The only time I saw Barker in the building was years after I left when he came to the CNN bureau to do an interview about animal rights and I had to shoot him in profile because he had a bandage on his face from surgery for ... um, right. Bill Todman was never in the building but his son Billy was after his Pop passed away, and Gil Fates used to come in from time to time.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209098\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:00 PM\']
Did you find any other cool ads with shows coming soon? I always loved those, and would sometimes spend hours in the library searching for them . (Bonus answer : Yes, I know I'm a dork.)
[/quote]
There was a generic Split Second one with Monty and two stills from a game. The ToC one had four stills, but no host mention. The PYL one was (old and irrelevant) demo information superimposed on a game board. Not really any other that I saw.
--Mike
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What do you know about Crosswits?
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I wouldn't totally blame Gene for Break the Bank failing. That show was an utter disaster, and this is coming from someone who got twisted enjoyment out of Eubanks Dollar a Second.
[/quote]
If anything, Gene was led into thinking that he could add in his own hijinks to BTB. If you watch the two episodes from the first week of BTB, Gene seems to be injecting a lot more fun stuff in the bonus game than he did in later episodes. Apparently Kline and Friends disliked his antics and told him they wanted a more serious show. Match Game started off as a pedestrian, dull game which Gene saved with his spontaneous, zany humor. Obviously he thought the same thing could be done to a dull, weak format that Break the Bank was.
Another problem with the first week of shows was that Gene was obviously not briefed about the stunts, nor their location in the prize vault. Most of the time, he was scrambling asking "where's that?!" Also, because he was obviously going into the bonus game with no preparation, it took him longer to explain the stunts. They later wisely decided to stop the clock during Gene's explanations.
The stunt format had its flaws, but I think taking out the stunts shortly after Joe Farago took over was not the right move. BTB was just another dull Q&A without the stunts, and Joe Farago was pretty much a straightforward MC that added nothing to the show. He wasn't so bad, but he wasn't exactly memorable either. If it was me, I would've taken out the quiz element and somehow incorporated stunts or mini games into the main game.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'209157\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 08:34 PM\']From the lips of Bobby Sherman, they (including Goodson) decided six weeks into the run of MG to make it all comedy questions.[/quote]
Didn't DeBartolo have a lot to do with that? He has said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 08:05 AM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'209157\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 08:34 PM\']From the lips of Bobby Sherman, they (including Goodson) decided six weeks into the run of MG to make it all comedy questions.[/quote]
Didn't DeBartolo have a lot to do with that? He has said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.[/quote]
If you asked Frank Wayne he'd tell you he invented all game shows because he invented oxygen, and you can't do game shows without oxygen.
Ira Skutch and Bobby Sherman ultimately decided which questions were used on MG.
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Secrets and Rumors hosted by Harvey Korman? I didn't know that. Has anyone tried to look up more info. then it came up empty-hnaded?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'209734\' date=\'Mar 7 2009, 01:58 PM\']
Secrets and Rumors hosted by Harvey Korman? I didn't know that. Has anyone tried to look up more info. then it came up empty-hnaded?
[/quote]
I'd like to know more, too. Delving the (sometimes hellish) pit of unsold pilots can really be entertaining.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:14 PM\']
I also saw a trade ad for 130 episodes of Press Your Luck. There was no indication whether those were new episodes or just reruns.
--Mike
[/quote]
They were repeats, packaged by Republic Pictures. Not sure if any locals bought in, but it was that 130 episode package that ended up on USA Network that year. (They leased more later.)
Greg
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'209858\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 02:47 AM\']
They were repeats, packaged by Republic Pictures. Not sure if any locals bought in, but it was that 130 episode package that ended up on USA Network that year. (They leased more later.)
Greg
[/quote]
Supposedly if the reruns found an audience, Carruthers planned to bring the show back in syndication.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'209858\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 02:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:14 PM\']
I also saw a trade ad for 130 episodes of Press Your Luck. There was no indication whether those were new episodes or just reruns.
--Mike
[/quote]
They were repeats, packaged by Republic Pictures. Not sure if any locals bought in, but it was that 130 episode package that ended up on USA Network that year. (They leased more later.)
Greg
[/quote]
WSVN in Miami bought em.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\']
[DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'209874\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 10:45 AM\']
[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'209858\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 02:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 02:14 PM\']
I also saw a trade ad for 130 episodes of Press Your Luck. There was no indication whether those were new episodes or just reruns.
--Mike
[/quote]
They were repeats, packaged by Republic Pictures. Not sure if any locals bought in, but it was that 130 episode package that ended up on USA Network that year. (They leased more later.)
Greg
[/quote]
WSVN in Miami bought em.
[/quote]
So did stations in Rochester NY, Pittsburgh and Toronto. Don't know of any others. Seems hard to believe only 4 stations would pick it up though. I guess they eventually found that 8 years of reruns on USA were more cost effective than making new ones.
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Who would have hosted the Gambit revival in 1987 since Wink was picked for High Rollers, or would it have likely been picked up instead of High Rollers, thus making Wink available?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'209942\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 05:42 PM\']
So did stations in Rochester NY, Pittsburgh and Toronto. Don't know of any others. Seems hard to believe only 4 stations would pick it up though. I guess they eventually found that 8 years of reruns on USA were more cost effective than making new ones.
[/quote]
Well, I'm guessing, in Miami's case, part of the allure was the fact that they had not run on the CBS affil there. So, a cheap rerun package was in fact a first-run show in South Florida.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'209755\' date=\'Mar 7 2009, 06:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'209734\' date=\'Mar 7 2009, 01:58 PM\']
Secrets and Rumors hosted by Harvey Korman? I didn't know that. Has anyone tried to look up more info. then it came up empty-hnaded?
[/quote]
I'd like to know more, too. Delving the (sometimes hellish) pit of unsold pilots can really be entertaining.
[/quote]
I had the honor of working on the marketing of the pilot, let alone sheparding Harvey around the convention floor. Jay Redack, of original Squares fame, co-created the show with Josh Goldstein, who has gone on to some prominence as a comedy writer and director. As I recall, and it's been about 20 years since I've seen the pilot, it was akin to "Hollywood's Talking" with celebrity anecdotes and the running theme of what they are talking about being a "secret" or a "rumor". As for the inevitable "do you have a copy of the pilot or know where to get it?" question, I'm sorry to say I strike out on both counts. But as some of you have noted, it was a very congested marketplace at the time and Fox, at the time, did not have the marketplace leverage to successfully co-sell a companion piece to $100,000 PYRAMID (they had tried to sell a Dan Enright pilot called BANK-O! the year before and that project, too, was stillborn.). PYRAMID, for all of its endurance and success as a daytime network series, was hampered by a time period restriction (it was prohibited from running prior to 4 PM ET because of fears of conflicting with the CBS run) and, frankly, a so-so track record (there were several markets, including New York, where it performed decently but in many other cities it was hampered by challenged stations and/or time periods. So, in a nutshell, it was a business decision more than any creative weaknesses that kept this, I would surmise, a secret AND a rumor. Hope you found that entertaining....
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[quote name=\'steveleb\' post=\'209988\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 07:12 AM\']
I had the honor of working on the marketing of the pilot, let alone sheparding Harvey around the convention floor. Jay Redack, of original Squares fame, co-created the show with Josh Goldstein, who has gone on to some prominence as a comedy writer and director. As I recall, and it's been about 20 years since I've seen the pilot, it was akin to "Hollywood's Talking" with celebrity anecdotes and the running theme of what they are talking about being a "secret" or a "rumor". As for the inevitable "do you have a copy of the pilot or know where to get it?" question, I'm sorry to say I strike out on both counts. But as some of you have noted, it was a very congested marketplace at the time and Fox, at the time, did not have the marketplace leverage to successfully co-sell a companion piece to $100,000 PYRAMID (they had tried to sell a Dan Enright pilot called BANK-O! the year before and that project, too, was stillborn.). PYRAMID, for all of its endurance and success as a daytime network series, was hampered by a time period restriction (it was prohibited from running prior to 4 PM ET because of fears of conflicting with the CBS run) and, frankly, a so-so track record (there were several markets, including New York, where it performed decently but in many other cities it was hampered by challenged stations and/or time periods. So, in a nutshell, it was a business decision more than any creative weaknesses that kept this, I would surmise, a secret AND a rumor. Hope you found that entertaining....
[/quote]
Yes, but what was the top prize on the show? And were there eggcrate displays?
I'm just kidding - that was great! Thanks, Steve!
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[quote name=\'steveleb\' post=\'209988\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 06:12 AM\']I had the honor of working on the marketing of the pilot, let alone sheparding Harvey around the convention floor. [/quote]
Man, anybody else get images of My Favorite Year?
"I'm not a game show host, I'm a movie star!"
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\']
[DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.
[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?
Also, the '80s Gambit pilot host was Bob Eubanks, who would have to wait that tiny bit longer to realize his dream of hosting a show with gi-normous playing cards.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'210004\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 12:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\']
[DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.
[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?
Also, the '80s Gambit pilot host was Bob Eubanks, who would have to wait that tiny bit longer to realize his dream of hosting a show with gi-normous playing cards.
[/quote]
Hold it...didn't Eubanks host a Gambit pilot after he was done hosting Card Sharks, and weren't actual cards not used?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'210008\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 02:34 PM\']
Hold it...didn't Eubanks host a Gambit pilot after he was done hosting Card Sharks, and weren't actual cards not used?
[/quote]
1990, and there was a combo of actual cards and graphics. I don't know who did the 80s pilot for sure. Wiki talks about a 1985 pilot (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit_(game_show)#1985_Pilot\") with Tom Campbell (of Camouflage), but...
-Jason
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'210008\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 02:34 PM\']
didn't Eubanks host a Gambit pilot after he was done hosting Card Sharks
[/quote]
If my recollection is correct, the pilot for Eubanks Gambit was filmed in 1990.
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The Wikipedia page for Gambit/Catch 21 (as always, note the source) says that Eubanks hosted his Gambit pilot in 1990 for Orion, but that Tom Campbell (who hosted the Chuck Barris flop "Camouflage" in 1980) helmed his own Gambit pilot in 1985.
I saw the Eubanks pilot a year or two ago, but I know nothing about the Campbell pilot, and whether that was offered to stations in 1987.
JD
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According to the 12/28/87 issue of Television/Radio Age, "Gambit" was being offered for fall 88 from Orion.
Other proposed game show strips in that issue were "$64,000 Question" from Casablanca, "Double Up" from MCA, "Evesdroppers" from Access, "Face the Music" from Wilshire Productions, "Family Game" and "Gong Show" from Barris, "Family Feud" from LBS, "Liar's Club" from Four Star, "Lotto Live" from ITF, "Queen For a Day" from Fries (Monty Hall,host), "Relatively Speaking" from Select Media, "Stop the Music" from MGM/UA, "Sweethearts" from Multimedia, "Tell it to Harvey" (Korman, again) from ABR, "Trivial Pursuit" from Worldvision, "Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola, "Wedding Game" from Hagen/Menk, "Who's Baby" from Taffner, "Wipeout"-Paramount and "Yahtzee" ABR.
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PYRAMID, for all of its endurance and success as a daytime network series, was hampered by a time period restriction (it was prohibited from running prior to 4 PM ET because of fears of conflicting with the CBS run)
Thanks for the info...that's great information.
Interestingly, in fall 1987, WIVB Buffalo picked up Win, Lose or Draw for 7 PM, and bumped the third year of $100,000 Pyramid to 7:30 AM (yes, AM). They didn't air the daily $25,000 Pyramid at that time, instead running Sally Jesse Raphael in that slot.
I'm wondering...did that time period restriction only apply to cities in which both aired...or was it something like you couldn't air the $100K version between certain hours (say 8 AM and 4 PM)?
Just wondering...
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
According to the 12/28/87 issue of Television/Radio Age, "Gambit" was being offered for fall 88 from Orion.
Other proposed game show strips in that issue were "$64,000 Question" from Casablanca, "Double Up" from MCA, "Evesdroppers" from Access, "Face the Music" from Wilshire Productions, "Family Game" and "Gong Show" from Barris, "Family Feud" from LBS, "Liar's Club" from Four Star, "Lotto Live" from ITF, "Queen For a Day" from Fries (Monty Hall,host), "Relatively Speaking" from Select Media, "Stop the Music" from MGM/UA, "Sweethearts" from Multimedia, "Tell it to Harvey" (Korman, again) from ABR, "Trivial Pursuit" from Worldvision, "Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola, "Wedding Game" from Hagen/Menk, "Who's Baby" from Taffner, "Wipeout"-Paramount and "Yahtzee" ABR.
[/quote]
Ah yes:
Double Up was Jamie Farr's show, mentioned during game show week on Scrabble....
Family Game had Jeff MacGregor hosting, fresh from Dating Game...
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'210026\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 05:31 PM\']Double Up was Jamie Farr's show, mentioned during game show week on Wordplay....[/quote]Actually believe that it was mentioned on Scrabble. Farr did sub-host on Wordplay though, so I guess he might have mentioned it there too.
Not having seen it, how did he do on Wordplay?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'210027\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 06:42 PM\']
Not having seen it, how did he do on Wordplay?
[/quote]
Terrible.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'210027\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 06:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'210026\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 05:31 PM\']Double Up was Jamie Farr's show, mentioned during game show week on Wordplay....[/quote]Actually believe that it was mentioned on Scrabble. Farr did sub-host on Wordplay though, so I guess he might have mentioned it there too.
Not having seen it, how did he do on Wordplay?
[/quote]
Whoops. Brainfart - it was Scrabble - he hosted Wordplay for Tom and , as said above, was terrible.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'210004\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\']
[DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.
[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?
[/quote]
IIRC, when Dickie DeBartolo was selling Match Game question cards not too long ago, ISTR a couple of our Invisioners saying that as part of their "pieces of game show history" they did get a humorous question or two from the NBC days. ("Humorous" like the early MG'73 variety).
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
"Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola
[/quote]
...what the?
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'210022\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 05:17 PM\']
Interestingly, in fall 1987, WIVB Buffalo......bumped the third year of $100,000 Pyramid to 7:30 AM (yes, AM).
[/quote]
At least in your town it was shown during an hour when many people were conscious.
We got the 7pm run on WWOR but for those in Greater Cleveland without cable, they had to contend with the 3am airing on WKYC-TV.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'210032\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 03:37 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'210004\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 01:11 PM\']
[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\']
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\']
[DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.
[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.
[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?
[/quote]
IIRC, when Dickie DeBartolo was selling Match Game question cards not too long ago, ISTR a couple of our Invisioners saying that as part of their "pieces of game show history" they did get a humorous question or two from the NBC days. ("Humorous" like the early MG'73 variety).
[/quote]
Dick says presented the idea for MAD-inspired questions after NBC failed to pick-up the show after its initial order in the 60s. Goodson bit, and the rest is __(blank)__.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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At least in your town it was shown during an hour when many people were conscious.
We got the 7pm run on WWOR but for those in Greater Cleveland without cable, they had to contend with the 3am airing on WKYC-TV.
That move to 7:30 AM was a real head-scratcher for me at the time. I guess the ratings weren't there during the evening hours. Unfortunately that was the only way of accessing the show - WWOR wasn't seen in our area until sometime in the '90s when our cable expanded to include all the superstations.
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[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'210036\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 07:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
"Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola
[/quote]
...what the?
[/quote]
Coca-Cola = Columbia
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'210109\' date=\'Mar 11 2009, 02:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'210036\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 07:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
"Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola[/quote]
...what the?[/quote]
Coca-Cola = Columbia[/quote]
I interpreted the "What the...?" as directed towards a show called "Vaudeville Game" instead of Coca-Cola. Your mileage may vary.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'210112\' date=\'Mar 11 2009, 02:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'210109\' date=\'Mar 11 2009, 02:18 PM\']
[quote name=\'TroubadourNando\' post=\'210036\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 07:25 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
"Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola[/quote]
...what the?[/quote]
Coca-Cola = Columbia[/quote]
I interpreted the "What the...?" as directed towards a show called "Vaudeville Game" instead of Coca-Cola. Your mileage may vary.
[/quote]
Both, actually.
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Who hosted The Vaudeville Game?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210188\' date=\'Mar 12 2009, 12:23 PM\']
Who hosted The Vaudeville Game?
[/quote]
These guys. (http://\"http://www.fancypantsgangsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/vern_and_johnny.png\")
/Play me out, Johnny.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'210022\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 02:17 PM\']
PYRAMID, for all of its endurance and success as a daytime network series, was hampered by a time period restriction (it was prohibited from running prior to 4 PM ET because of fears of conflicting with the CBS run)
Thanks for the info...that's great information.
Interestingly, in fall 1987, WIVB Buffalo picked up Win, Lose or Draw for 7 PM, and bumped the third year of $100,000 Pyramid to 7:30 AM (yes, AM). They didn't air the daily $25,000 Pyramid at that time, instead running Sally Jesse Raphael in that slot.
I'm wondering...did that time period restriction only apply to cities in which both aired...or was it something like you couldn't air the $100K version between certain hours (say 8 AM and 4 PM)?
Just wondering...
[/quote]
(Again going on roughly 20-odd years of faded memory)...By the fall of 1987 PYRAMID's lineup had softened considerably, with WIN LOSE in particular aggressively scooping up a lot of 4-8 PM real estate (it was Disney's first syndication effort and was similarly targeted away from daytime since NBC had also bought the Vicki Lawrence run for that daypart)and there was much scrambling to keep enough national clearance to make national ad sales viable. In most cases, that meant accepting post-2 AM graveyard clearances (including a handful of the FOX-owned stations that shoehorned it in as a favor between news rebroadcasts and paid programming) that were essentially in-house favors (no license fee) and obviously ratings-doomed. In a couple of cases, there were somewhat more opportunistic clearances offered by maverick CBS affiliates such as Buffalo and, as I recall, WWL in New Orleans as well, where special dispensation was negotiated--the time periods did not conflict with CBS' actual daytime footprint of 10 AM-4 PM ET, which was the territory they were trying to protect, and the affiliates in question weren't significant enough to truly make a difference. We suspect they felt that if the rules were capable of being "bent", let it be with one of their own. Actually--and I'll defer to this group for confirmation--I believe WWL actually programmed both $100K and $25K in the same morning line-up.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'210004\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 01:11 PM\'][quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\'][DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?[/quote]
I think (part of) the confusion comes from there possibly being a similar switch during both runs. That is, the '60s version switched from "Name a kind of bread" to "John likes to butter his _____", and the '70s version switched from the latter to Dumb Dora and such.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'210275\' date=\'Mar 13 2009, 04:00 PM\']
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'210004\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 01:11 PM\'][quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'209883\' date=\'Mar 9 2009, 11:50 AM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'209211\' date=\'Mar 1 2009, 12:05 PM\'][DeBartolo] said that MG '73 was on the verge of cancellation when he asked Goodson if he could toss in some comedy questions. Goodson said do whatever you want - the show is gone in a few weeks anyway.[/quote]
I though that was the case for the 60s "Match Game", according to his "Good Days and MAD" bio.[/quote]
I've long been confused by this, too. Anyone know for sure? Anyone?[/quote]
I think (part of) the confusion comes from there possibly being a similar switch during both runs. That is, the '60s version switched from "Name a kind of bread" to "John likes to butter his _____", and the '70s version switched from the latter to Dumb Dora and such.
[/quote]
That was what I found out too. Dick De's book mentions questions like "John likes to butter his ____" as well, not the Dumb Dora/Boobs questions.
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Trivial Pursuit was distributed by WorldVision Enterprises, Inc.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210729\' date=\'Mar 19 2009, 03:09 PM\']
Trivial Pursuit was distributed by WorldVision Enterprises, Inc.
[/quote]
Not Affiliated with World Vision International
a Religious and Charitable Organization
/Wait, what?
//Any vids yet..?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210729\' date=\'Mar 19 2009, 03:09 PM\']Trivial Pursuit was distributed by WorldVision Enterprises, Inc.[/quote]
...which was mentioned here (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17480&view=findpost&p=210018\"), 19 posts earlier in this thread. Thanks for playing.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'210760\' date=\'Mar 19 2009, 07:32 PM\']
...which was mentioned here (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17480&view=findpost&p=210018\"), 19 posts earlier in this thread. Thanks for playing.
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Apparently made a visit to Fan4Sure. (http://\"http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/2/23/15/captain-obvious-1467-1235422671-15.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'210762\' date=\'Mar 19 2009, 07:38 PM\']Apparently made a visit to Fan4Sure. (http://\"http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/2/23/15/captain-obvious-1467-1235422671-15.jpg\")[/quote]
I think we have a mascot for Matt O's Masters of the Obvious!
tpirfan28 gets a star since my students aren't taking advantage of my stash o' stars.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210188\' date=\'Mar 12 2009, 12:23 PM\']
Who hosted The Vaudeville Game?
[/quote]
From page 142 of the 2/3/88 issue of Variety, Chuck Barris was to have hosted that skein. That's probably why Don Bleu got the nod for the Gong Show revival.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212047\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 04:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210188\' date=\'Mar 12 2009, 12:23 PM\']
Who hosted The Vaudeville Game?
[/quote]
From page 142 of the 2/3/88 issue of Variety, Chuck Barris was to have hosted that skein. That's probably why Don Bleu got the nod for the Gong Show revival.
[/quote]
Chuck had already sold out (http://\"http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/26/business/barris-industries.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/B/Boards%20of%20Directors&scp=18&sq=%22chuck%20barris%22&st=cse\") to Burt Sugarman by that point, per The New York Times.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'212051\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 05:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'212047\' date=\'Apr 3 2009, 04:24 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'210188\' date=\'Mar 12 2009, 12:23 PM\']
Who hosted The Vaudeville Game?
[/quote]
From page 142 of the 2/3/88 issue of Variety, Chuck Barris was to have hosted that skein. That's probably why Don Bleu got the nod for the Gong Show revival.
[/quote]
Chuck had already sold out (http://\"http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/26/business/barris-industries.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/B/Boards%20of%20Directors&scp=18&sq=%22chuck%20barris%22&st=cse\") to Burt Sugarman by that point, per The New York Times.
[/quote]
That too is probably why Don Bleu got the nod. :)
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Here are several unsold pilots that came up empty-handed:
The New $64,000 Question
Double Up
The New Face The Music
The Family Game
Lotto Live
Stop The Music
Tell It To Harvey
Vaudeville Game
Wedding Game
Gambit(1987 version)
Late Night Lotto
The New Dream House
Secrets and Rumors
The New Match Game
Can You Top This?
And many others.
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Oh, I forgot to add Evesdroppers. Anybody know about that?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212459\' date=\'Apr 8 2009, 02:23 PM\']
Oh, I forgot to add Evesdroppers. Anybody know about that?
[/quote]
Tom Kennedy was supposed to have hosted that one. It was a Wink Martindale Production through Access Syndication (that was the company name) that didn't get enough clearances to make it a go.
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But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212540\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 11:25 AM\']
But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
[/quote]
Eve's dropped 'ers. You need to pick it up.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212540\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 11:25 AM\']
But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
[/quote]
Use as directed.
/Oh, I thought it read Eyedroppers
//Wonders what the rules of Eavesdroppers were
///Ok, not really
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Has anyone tried to look up more info of that, Then it came up empty-handed?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212570\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 08:39 PM\']
Has anyone tried to look up more info of that, Then it came up empty-handed?
[/quote]
No. Please stop asking.
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The info I got came from back issues of TV industry trade publications of the era. I couldn't find anything regarding the format of the show. I'll keep looking and if I find anything, I'll share it. Feel free to do further research on your own as well and share whatever you may find, if you so choose.
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'212553\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 02:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212540\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 11:25 AM\']
But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
[/quote]
Eve's dropped 'ers.
[/quote]
And they came on out.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'212682\' date=\'Apr 11 2009, 09:51 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'212553\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 02:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212540\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 11:25 AM\']
But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
[/quote]
Eve's dropped 'ers.
[/quote]
And they came on out.
[/quote]
Win and win again. HOW do you people manage to do this kind of joke building so often?
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'212811\' date=\'Apr 12 2009, 12:03 AM\']Win and win again. HOW do you people manage to do this kind of joke building so often?[/quote]
It's why I love coming to this forum every day. :)
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'212811\' date=\'Apr 12 2009, 12:03 AM\']Win and win again. HOW do you people manage to do this kind of joke building so often?[/quote]
Years of experience. :)
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'212682\' date=\'Apr 11 2009, 08:51 AM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'212553\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 02:47 PM\']
[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'212540\' date=\'Apr 9 2009, 11:25 AM\']
But what are the rules of Evesdroppers?
[/quote]
Eve's dropped 'ers.
[/quote]
And they came on out.
[/quote]
Ol' Bobby was on KQRS on Friday. It didn't take long for that line to come waltzing out.
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I did find one small blurb regarding "Eavesdroppers" on page 61 of the December 1987 issue of "TV Facts, Figures & Film."
"Eavesdroppers combines traditional game show elements with comedic overtones," explains Ritch Colbert, president of Access Syndication.
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May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'221990\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM\']May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?[/quote]
We did. (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17860&st=15&p=214031&#entry214031\")
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'221990\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM\']May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?[/quote]
You again?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'221990\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM\']May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?[/quote]
Most of us would prefer to see your last words on this board.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'221990\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM\']May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?[/quote]
As a great man once said...
Avocado.
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[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'222109\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 05:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'221990\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM\']May we talk about "Famous Last Words" hosted by Geoff Edwards?[/quote]
As a great man once said...
Avocado.
[/quote]
I never said that a day in my life!
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'212856\' date=\'Apr 12 2009, 09:43 AM\']Ol' Bobby was on KQRS on Friday. It didn't take long for that line to come waltzing out.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, what did Bob and Tommy B talk about? Was Barker shilling his book? Were they nice to him?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'222157\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:56 PM\'][quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'212856\' date=\'Apr 12 2009, 09:43 AM\']Ol' Bobby was on KQRS on Friday. It didn't take long for that line to come waltzing out.[/quote]
Out of curiosity, what did Bob and Tommy B talk about? Was Barker shilling his book? Were they nice to him?
[/quote]
Geez, that was quite a while ago. As I recall, they were very respectful and conducted a good interview. At one point, Bob offered clarification on the oft-quoted "The price is wrong, bitch" from Happy Gilmore. He did shill his book.
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'222175\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 11:12 PM\']Geez, that was quite a while ago. As I recall, they were very respectful and conducted a good interview. At one point, Bob offered clarification on the oft-quoted "The price is wrong, bitch" from Happy Gilmore. He did shill his book.[/quote]
Oops, I didn't realize how old your post was! Sorry! I suppose you can tell I don't listen to KQ very often.
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What's "Two Heads Are Better Than One"?
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'222796\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 03:04 PM\']What's "Two Heads Are Better Than One"?[/quote]
Wasn't a game show. It was actually a talk show produced out of Sheboygan, Wisconsin that sought out and interviewed conjoined twins on their life experiences.
Oddly enough, hosted by John & Greg Rice...
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'222796\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 02:04 PM\']What's "Two Heads Are Better Than One"?[/quote]No, see, you're supposed to provide us with the answer.
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[quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'222796\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 02:04 PM\']What's "Two Heads Are Better Than One"?[/quote]
It was a failed pilot which attempted to mix elements of Blockbusters with experimental surgery. It was scrapped when efforts to re-animate Bill Cullen proved unsuccessful.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'222949\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 08:41 PM\']It was scrapped when efforts to re-animate Bill Cullen proved unsuccessful.[/quote]
No one more disappointed than I.
/OK, maybe Ann.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'222949\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'Fan4Sure\' post=\'222796\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 02:04 PM\']What's "Two Heads Are Better Than One"?[/quote]
It was a failed pilot which attempted to mix elements of Blockbusters with experimental surgery. It was scrapped when efforts to re-animate Bill Cullen proved unsuccessful.
[/quote]
We thought we could rebuild him, but it turns out we didn't have the technology.
/athankyew...
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I also read that Rafferty Card Sharks was changing distributors to Coca-Cola Telecommunications in one of Coca-Cola's ads in a 1987 issue of Broadcasting.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'222953\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 07:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'222949\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 08:41 PM\']It was scrapped when efforts to re-animate Bill Cullen proved unsuccessful.[/quote]
No one more disappointed than I.
/OK, maybe Ann.
[/quote]
I didn't feel like starting a new thread here, so I'll just hijack briefly: I saw a contestant on Password earlier this week with the last name Kilcullen. You must have been horrified!
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'210026\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 05:31 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'210018\' date=\'Mar 10 2009, 04:44 PM\']
According to the 12/28/87 issue of Television/Radio Age, "Gambit" was being offered for fall 88 from Orion.
Other proposed game show strips in that issue were "$64,000 Question" from Casablanca, "Double Up" from MCA, "Evesdroppers" from Access, "Face the Music" from Wilshire Productions, "Family Game" and "Gong Show" from Barris, "Family Feud" from LBS, "Liar's Club" from Four Star, "Lotto Live" from ITF, "Queen For a Day" from Fries (Monty Hall,host), "Relatively Speaking" from Select Media, "Stop the Music" from MGM/UA, "Sweethearts" from Multimedia, "Tell it to Harvey" (Korman, again) from ABR, "Trivial Pursuit" from Worldvision, "Vaudeville Game" from Coca-Cola, "Wedding Game" from Hagen/Menk, "Who's Baby" from Taffner, "Wipeout"-Paramount and "Yahtzee" ABR.[/quote]
Ah yes:
Double Up was Jamie Farr's show, mentioned during game show week on Scrabble....
Family Game had Jeff MacGregor hosting, fresh from Dating Game...
[/quote]
Wasn't TDG still on the air at the time? How could he have hosted The Dating Game and The Family Game at the same time?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'223472\' date=\'Aug 20 2009, 11:29 AM\']Wasn't TDG still on the air at the time? How could he have hosted The Dating Game and The Family Game at the same time?[/quote]You do realize that those shows weren't aired live, correct?
While having the same guy host two shows concurrently in syndication would be odd, it wouldn't be implausible or undo-able either.
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What would have been impossible is one person hosting a show for two different production companies in syndication. Family and Dating were both Barris.
Greg