The Game Show Forum
The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Blanquepage on February 04, 2007, 01:17:23 PM
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The Game Show Vault is now open! I'll find some time today to post some new clips on PoC, but I'll mostly be working on putting together the individual pages of which there will be a lot.
The "From the Vault" section will probably be updated the most as new stuff comes in frequently. Some of you will be happy to see some of the listed shows of which remnants were found, like 100 Grand.
It's all explicated on the front page, but to reiterate, there WILL BE downloadable .wmv videos on this page, just like the old days. They certainly won't be entire shows, but some nice fragments they will be.
The Game Show Vault (http://\"http://www.gameshowvault.com\")
--Jamie
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Allow me to be the first person to say "Thank You." That site is very well put together, and looks very professional. I can't wait to see what else is in store! :)
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Jamie, excellent stuff. It's looking great already, and I look forward to what else is in store! Good luck, man.
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Friendly queston: why is the page a fixed width? Many of us do not browse full-screen, and it's annoying to have to scroll. Forcing a width on your users is kinda presumptuous.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'145246\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 04:36 PM\']
Friendly queston: why is the page a fixed width? Many of us do not browse full-screen, and it's annoying to have to scroll. Forcing a width on your users is kinda presumptuous.
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I'm browsing it full-screen at 1024x768 and I still have to scroll to the right.
Jamie's a man ahead of his time -- he's anticipating the day when everyone has 1280x768.
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[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'145247\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 12:52 PM\']
Jamie's a man ahead of his time -- he's anticipating the day when everyone has 1280x768.
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x1024, actually. ;) Which I have (and actually at work I have 1600x1280), but I have to think that the mass majority of people do not browse full-screen. So if you set it up so it wraps, you have the best of both worlds.
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I've used 1152 x 864 for such a long time, the side scrolling issue is one matter that I didn't even consider. I'm working on it.
Edit: I've switched to 1024x768 and resized the banner on the home page. I see no side scroll bar.
--Jamie
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Today, I caught a glimpse of the newest part of PoC: www.gameshowvault.com
It listed Jamie's "Top 50 Favorites", but I noticed something unusual:
"$ale of the Century" was listed twice--at #24 and #22.
Possibly, could it be that the 1969-73 version is being included as well?
(Moderator note: Post moved to the already-existing Game Show Vault thread. -DZ)
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"$ale of the Century" was listed twice--at #24 and #22.
Oops. That's been corrected. #22 is Scrabble.
--Jamie
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Hmmm....Joe Garagiola's Memory Game....hmmm....
Sorry, just thinking out loud!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'145248\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 04:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'curtking\' post=\'145247\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 12:52 PM\']
Jamie's a man ahead of his time -- he's anticipating the day when everyone has 1280x768.
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x1024, actually. ;) Which I have (and actually at work I have 1600x1280), but I have to think that the mass majority of people do not browse full-screen. So if you set it up so it wraps, you have the best of both worlds.
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Believe it or not, I've got a 1280x768 setting for my card (maybe for widescreens?), but I've never used anything higher than 1024x768. Still waiting for Santa to bring that 22" LCD.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'145250\' date=\'Feb 4 2007, 01:46 PM\']
Edit: I've switched to 1024x768 and resized the banner on the home page. I see no side scroll bar.
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That's an improvement, but making the whole thing variable width would be way way better. On my site the left column is fixed-width and the right is variable; that seems to me to be exactly what you want to do with this. I did most of my site layout in CSS, so if you don't know it it might be worth trying to learn. It wasn't _that_ hard and it will make your life easier for something as content-heavy as this site is clearly going to be.
(Oh, wait, I think I see. That graphic at the top of the page is determining the minimum width of the cell. Text rewraps if I pull out wider than the graphic, but once I run up against that width, it starts to need scrolling because that is the widest element in the cell. You redesign that into something that isn't so wide, and your problem is fixed. Are you married to those two safes on either side? Losing even one of them would effectively solve the problem.)
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Thanks for opening up the Game Show Vault Jamie. It looks very nice. Outside of a little side-scroll issue(my computer is set at 640X480 so that I can be able to see large print), it's a very neat-looking package. Look foward to see what rare gems start popping up.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'145282\' date=\'Feb 5 2007, 12:25 AM\']
Outside of a little side-scroll issue(my computer is set at 640X480 so that I can be able to see large print)
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Another fine reason to do something about that graphic, Jamie. (No, I'm not being sarcastic. I would imagine quite a few web pages are difficult to access if you're sight-impared.)
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New page on It's Your Bet has been added.
Can anyone out there who remembers watching the show verify the exact order of the hosts?
Was it March, Kennedy, Gautier, Waggoner? The EOTVGS states that Gautier preceded Tom after Hal stepped down, but a ticket I've acquired from April 16, 1970 suggests the former.
--Jamie
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Well done on the redesign. The Vault page is much more browser-friendly now. :)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'145697\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 12:04 AM\']
Can anyone out there who remembers watching the show verify the exact order of the hosts?
Was it March, Kennedy, Gautier, Waggoner?[/quote]
That's exactly the sequence given in the book Total Television by Alex McNeil; I think, therefore, it must be right.
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Going by listings in the NYC edition of TV Guide for WNBC, Hal March was first in Sept 69, in November, Tom Kennedy was listed as host. In May of 70, Dick Gautier, back to Tom in the fall of 71, Lyle Waggoner is first listed in March of 72 and continued until the fall of 73 when the show went off. So piecing the puzzle as best I can it was Hal, Tom and Dick in the 69-70 season, Dick in the 70-71, Tom and Lyle 71-72 and Lyle 72-73.
To explain the absences, Tom tried a Merv-Mike type talk show in 1970 which didn't last long and, of course, started "Split Sec." in April of 72.
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[quote name=\'RJSchex\' post=\'145704\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 08:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'145697\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 12:04 AM\']
Can anyone out there who remembers watching the show verify the exact order of the hosts?
Was it March, Kennedy, Gautier, Waggoner?[/quote]
That's exactly the sequence given in the book Total Television by Alex McNeil; I think, therefore, it must be right.
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Either my Sarcasm Detector needs new batteries, or you need to reconsider the amount of confidence you place in McNeil's book. He also writes of Card Sharks: "The show surfaced again in 1986, with an added wrinkle: contestants had to first predict how a group of one hundred persons had answered a question before they could tackle the cards." Apparently McNeil thinks the original version consisted of a solid half-hour of people doing nothing but saying "higher" or "lower." Gee, wouldn't that have been scintillating television?
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'145778\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 09:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'RJSchex\' post=\'145704\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 08:18 AM\']
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'145697\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 12:04 AM\']
Can anyone out there who remembers watching the show verify the exact order of the hosts?
Was it March, Kennedy, Gautier, Waggoner?[/quote]
That's exactly the sequence given in the book Total Television by Alex McNeil; I think, therefore, it must be right.
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Either my Sarcasm Detector needs new batteries, or you need to reconsider the amount of confidence you place in McNeil's book. He also writes of Card Sharks: "The show surfaced again in 1986, with an added wrinkle: contestants had to first predict how a group of one hundred persons had answered a question before they could tackle the cards." Apparently McNeil thinks the original version consisted of a solid half-hour of people doing nothing but saying "higher" or "lower." Gee, wouldn't that have been scintillating television?
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Yes, even I have found mistakes in that same book. For example:
Jackpot--says the show had only 15 contestants (forgot about the King/Queen of the Hill)
Shoot for the Stars--says the game is "played similarly to The $20,000 Pyramid" (What? Other than BSP's trademark "all-blue" set, and the celebrity-contestant pairings, I see no other similarities.)
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[quote name=\'RJSchex\' post=\'145779\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 08:10 PM\']
Yes, even I have found mistakes in that same book.[/quote]
Is anybody else horribly confused right now?
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Alex McNeil's book is great for shows that he personally gave a crap about. Game shows do not figure onto that list.
The much more accurate "Encyclopedia of Daytime Television" by Wesley Hyatt says March-Gautier-Kennedy-Waggoner. Then again, his bibliography includes both McNeil and the EoTVGS.
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[quote name=\'RJSchex\' post=\'145779\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 11:10 PM\']
Yes, even I have found mistakes in that same book. For example:
Jackpot--says the show had only 15 contestants (forgot about the King/Queen of the Hill)[/quote]
I haven't read the book in years, but have newer versions fixed the omission of the 1980s versions from the entry. The 1991 printing I used to own listed only the NBC version which I found to be annoying because it contradicted my memories of the 1980s versions.
Adding a few more to the list:
Card Sharks--the syndicated reruns of Perry's version are listed as a separate run.
Match Game--the scuttled 1985 revival is listed as actually having taken place.
Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour--the Match Game portion is listed as having had three contestents playing with the two winners facing off in the Hollywood Squares portion (though evidence shows the pilot had such a format or something).
Name That Tune--doesn't mention the 1984 revival
Some other shows were omitted completely from the list, for example I had never heard of Lingo or Catch Phrase (the former didn't air in my area, never watched the latter when it aired) until the advent of the internet.
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[quote name=\'RJSchex\' post=\'145779\' date=\'Feb 9 2007, 10:10 PM\']Shoot for the Stars--says the game is "played similarly to The $20,000 Pyramid" (What? Other than BSP's trademark "all-blue" set, and the celebrity-contestant pairings, I see no other similarities.)
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On this one, I'll defend him somewhat. The end game was basically a long round of the main game from Pyramid. ISTR that the items to be described were all phrases, and I want to say two-word phrases, just like the Double Trouble category from Davidson's Pyramid.
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Two updates coming very soon: page on Hold That Note and an obscure Art James gem called Temptation .
Although many will probably think "eh, big deal," we're pretty excited to have uncovered episode #11 from 12/18/67 of the latter this week. It had been hiding somewhere on a 16mm film all this time.
It'll be both featured on the websites and will ultimately be made available in the PoC store once it's back up and running.
--Jamie
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I've been working feverishly with a new store crew to get the Game Show Vault Store up and running.
I felt that it would be more appropriate to move the store over to Game Show Vault since, after all, the items we make available tend to come from the back corners of the vault. It'll open for business this weekend. It'll be headed by a fine chap named Memo.
No joke, that's his name.
The store is going to be run by 4 individuals, unlike 2 from the previous venture, each with his or her own job. We'll be starting with 2 new available volumes which I've already assembled: a killer volume called ABC Network Rarities and another called Triple Jeopardy!
I'm currently working on creating a nice menu for each of the DVDs.
The PoC will be updated something this weekend as well. Can't give an exact time since something always interferes.
--Jamie
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One quick question, hope you don't mind answering it.
Will previously-offered volumes make a return? I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the four-decade collection.
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Will previously-offered volumes make a return? I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the four-decade collection.
Yes. The 4 Decade Collection from the old store will be available again starting Sunday.
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'147644\' date=\'Mar 7 2007, 10:33 PM\']
Yes. The 4 Decade Collection from the old store will be available again starting Sunday.
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Muchas gracias. I'll be sure to pick it up this time. ;)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'147637\' date=\'Mar 7 2007, 06:45 PM\']
We'll be starting with 2 new available volumes which I've already assembled: a killer volume called ABC Network Rarities [/quote]
I've already got a reservation in for that one.
I have long past forgotten what kind of a host Don Morrow was.
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Name That Tune--doesn't mention the 1984 revival
I think this was due to McNeill not updating certain entries from the 1983 edition...other omissions occured b/c of this, such as the complete exclusion of Summer Bartholomew in the $otC entry and no mention of the short-lived 1987 Truth or Consequences revival.
Although, to McNeill's credit, he didn't implement his bias into entries the way "Syndicated Television" author Hal Erickson did...that guy's dislike of the GS genre was more apparent than Fred Silverman's.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I don't think McNeil was biased against game shows. He did appear on Jeopardy, as I recall. I don't know if he will be updating old entries in future edtions of his book, though. Within the last year or so he offered his TV Guide collection on ebay.
Though Erickson was affecting snobbery with regards to game shows, the book had all the pertinent facts, dates and syndicators correct.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'147686\' date=\'Mar 9 2007, 02:11 AM\']
I don't think McNeil was biased against game shows. He did appear on Jeopardy, as I recall. I don't know if he will be updating old entries in future editions of his book, though. Within the last year or so he offered his TV Guide collection on ebay. [/quote]
With the advent of the internet and sites like IMDB and TV.com, the usefulness of regular updates of a single reference volume edited by a single individual is doubtful at best. It will be interesting to see whether Brooks and Marsh continue to update their work. They're usually four years between updates, which would make 2007 the next due date.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'147686\' date=\'Mar 9 2007, 02:11 AM\']
Though Erickson was affecting snobbery with regards to game shows, the book had all the pertinent facts, dates and syndicators correct.
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Erickson's snobbery is not limited to the game show genre. Trust me, I know.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'147644\' date=\'Mar 7 2007, 10:33 PM\']
Will previously-offered volumes make a return? I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the four-decade collection.
Yes. The 4 Decade Collection from the old store will be available again starting Sunday.
--Jamie
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I may have seen it advertised earlier, but what are the contents of the 4-decade collection?..I didnt see it in your new store..Good luck to it..I hope to pick up some of the DVD's in the next
few weeks/months
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[quote name=\'Tim L\' post=\'147692\' date=\'Mar 9 2007, 09:59 AM\']
I may have seen it advertised earlier, but what are the contents of the 4-decade collection[/quote]
I got it a couple of months ago and I loved it.
One episode each from the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s.
The 1950s was Music Bingo starring Johnny Gilbert, who is a heck of a singer.
The 1960s is Seven Keys starring the great Jack Narz.
The 1970s features the episode of Jackpot that contains the $38000+ Super Jackpot win
The 1980s is a curiosity with hosts Anson Williams and Jayne Kennedy. It's a pilot that mercifully did not go to series where a number of your favorite television stars played video games. What fun it is to watch Philip McKeon, Mindy Cohn and others play video games. Marty Cohen provides commentary for the action.
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I have heard that the "reference" division of Brooks and Marsh's publishers, Ballantine Books, where their book was placed under, was closed down a couple of years ago. If there's a new edition, it will be with a different publisher.
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Spring Break's over, now back to work. Page O' Clips and Game Show Vault will both be updated this week.
Also, Gameshowvault.com is offering a large bundle of game show memorabilia including tickets, games, and DVDs on Ebay.
The offering can be found here. (http://\"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330101089649\")
Split Second's 35th Anniversary is coming up, and I've been planning something special for that time...
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'148705\' date=\'Mar 20 2007, 04:01 PM\']
Split Second's 35th Anniversary is coming up, and I've been planning something special for that time...
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Not to be funny, but it's today, in fact.
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Not to be funny, but it's today, in fact.
...I swear for some reason I thought it was March 27. Oy.
My mistake. Look for something later in the weekend! :-D
--Jamie