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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tvrandywest on March 21, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
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At the upfronts in New York GSN announced a slate of programs in development that included several reality shows, plus "$100,000 Pyramid" and "American Bible Challenge". The latter tapes a pilot this month with host Jeff Foxworthy.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Here's a B&C article (http://"http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/482128-Upfronts_2012_GSN_Expanding_Into_Reality_Programming.php") about their new developments, including pilots for Pyramid and Bible Challenge. Officially picked up is a new Newlywed season and a reality series called Beat the Chefs. Also in development: Three Pawn Stars ripoffs, an adult Toddlers & Tiaras and a reverse Storage Wars.
I don't care if the new Pyramid that's been shopped around since 2009 ends up on a four-digit cable channel like the South Sudanese Movie Channel, for goodness' sakes. Just let me watch it.
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I don't care if the new Pyramid that's been shopped around since 2009 ends up on a four-digit cable channel like the South Sudanese Movie Channel, for goodness' sakes. Just let me watch it.
QFT. And I would actually be *more* likely to watch it on the South Sudanese Movie Channel.
"Please to be describing to your partner..."
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I feel if GSN's new version of Pyramid gets picked up, that might cause them to shelve the Dick Clark ones.
Before anyone even thinks about attacking me, I'm just making a guess here. I mean, when the current version of TNG premiered on GSN, they stopped showing the Eubanks one on regular basis.
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I feel if GSN's new version of Pyramid gets picked up, that might cause them to shelve the Dick Clark ones.
It's a fair point, but if Davies' show is quality - and we've seen no evidence that it wouldn't be from the pilot reports - I don't mind having the older series on the backburner to pave the way for a modern success.
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I feel if GSN's new version of Pyramid gets picked up, that might cause them to shelve the Dick Clark ones.
It's a fair point, but if Davies' show is quality - and we've seen no evidence that it wouldn't be from the pilot reports - I don't mind having the older series on the backburner to pave the way for a modern success.
While Davies' track record of late hasn't been stellar...this. So much this. I'm willing to risk a lack of Dick Clark for a little while to see if this can take off.
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I feel if GSN's new version of Pyramid gets picked up, that might cause them to shelve the Dick Clark ones.
It's a fair point, but if Davies' show is quality - and we've seen no evidence that it wouldn't be from the pilot reports - I don't mind having the older series on the backburner to pave the way for a modern success.
While Davies' track record of late hasn't been stellar...this. So much this. I'm willing to risk a lack of Dick Clark for a little while to see if this can take off.
But, so help me, if the contestants are standing, I'm out. Same goes for if there's no physical 25-foot pyramid with six boxes aligned in a pyramid-esque pattern at center stage. If it's at stage left or stage right, I'm out. It better be front and center, bucko.
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But, so help me, if the contestants are standing, I'm out. Same goes for if there's no physical 25-foot pyramid with six boxes aligned in a pyramid-esque pattern at center stage. If it's at stage left or stage right, I'm out. It better be front and center, bucko.
I hear you. And if we don't hear "HERE is your FIRST subject!" my TV is going over the balcony.
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But, so help me, if the contestants are standing, I'm out. Same goes for if there's no physical 25-foot pyramid with six boxes aligned in a pyramid-esque pattern at center stage. If it's at stage left or stage right, I'm out. It better be front and center, bucko.
Are you petrified of the contestants dropping trou?
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But, so help me, if the contestants are standing, I'm out. Same goes for if there's no physical 25-foot pyramid with six boxes aligned in a pyramid-esque pattern at center stage. If it's at stage left or stage right, I'm out. It better be front and center, bucko.
Are you petrified of the contestants dropping trou?
Absolutely terrified.
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Are you petrified of the contestants dropping trou?
If this thing makes it to air and is decent, I might drop trou myself.
/IYKWIM
//AITTYD
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Who wants to sit and watch something so specific as somebody buying and selling used engagement rings? Seriously, that sounds really odd.
Frankly, I've never been a super Pawn Stars fan. The fact that GSN is in development to run that concept into the ground is no surprise.
As for Pyramid, I guess they really want to get this off the ground. I hope it works out. I'm surprised they're still at it after being slapped in the face by CBS, twice.
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We purists need to get over our bad selves when it comes to GSN and reality. Many much bigger cable operations are finding huge success with reality, and GSN would seem on the surface to be a much better fit for that sort of thing than, say, The History Channel. Having said that, most of GSN's choices have that watered-down, poorly thought-out feel to them. Three of the offerings are just like Pawn Stars or Storage Wars -- except that they're each about one specific item. From what little we've seen, the other two (the wacky pageants and the dueling sister auctioneers) would seem to have a little more going for them. But honestly, this is the kind of low-budget, high-concept crap that's put a lot of networks on the map. Seriously, what makes GSN so special that they shouldn't try?
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Seriously, what makes GSN so special that they shouldn't try?
Becaue those low-budget ideas, at the time at least, were original and had concepts that hadn't been seen widely.. These are very brazen rip-offs. And granted, while it's not like ripoffs of successful franchises don't succeed, there are already ripoffs of these successful brands on in the cableverse. GSN is hopping on the bandwagon waaaaay in the back. I've got nothing against them trying something new to make a splash. A third-rate pseudo-Pawn Stars just isn't it.
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And granted, while it's not like ripoffs of successful franchises don't succeed, there are already ripoffs of these successful brands on in the cableverse.
Which means a couple more aren't gonna matter.
Matt's right. People need to build a bridge and get over it.
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Which means a couple more aren't gonna matter.
I'm just saying they're not going to matter for GSN when they try to jump in way too late on an already diluted market. If they're looking for the smash hit to bring them over the 500,000 viewers mark, I highly doubt these are it. Find something new along these lines.
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Welcome to cable 2012, where you can take a chance and lose money on an unsuccessful product. Or, you can do a third-rate ripoff of a working model and just go from there, and cut your losses easier.
I don't like it either, but I see why GSN is going for the ripoff shows. Honestly, what do they have to lose at this point? I got roped into one, I can't remember what it's called...it involves a father-daughter duo somewhere down south. Gawd help me, it was actually somewhat interesting.
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I'm just saying they're not going to matter for GSN when they try to jump in way too late on an already diluted market. If they're looking for the smash hit to bring them over the 500,000 viewers mark, I highly doubt these are it. Find something new along these lines.
You are right in that they probably aren't, but only because finding The Next Big Hit these days for an audience of abject morons is very much a needle-in-a-haystack-throw-shiat-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks process. I'm pretty confident that when that hit *does* come, we're all gonna look at it and say "what? that one? They tried X and Y and Z, and *this* one is the one that struck oil?"
So I don't see why these are worse than anything else.
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Unlike A&E, TruTV, and TLC, GSN is not on many providers "basic" list (meaning 70 or so channels). It doesn't get as much exposure as those channels. I'm not saying that GSN can't try it out (lord knows they shouldn't cater to my every whim), but reality hasn't done well on the network in the past, so my skeptical receptors are a bit sensitive.
I'm sure this won't cost as much as leasing the entire Goodson-Todman, Reg Grundy, Barry-Enright, and Chuck Barris libraries, so I guess waiting and seeing won't kill the network if it fails.
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Just a note that "Pawn Stars" is the #1 rated show on History, and "Storage Wars" is very successful for A&E (or whichever cable channel). I dislike that they are only tangentially connected to the channels' name and image, and I'm not a fan of most reality shows, but there's no arguing with ratings success. I guess the reality concepts GSN is developing are no more obtuse (unrelated to the channel's mission) than these examples.
btw, "Bible Challenge" pilots on Tuesday, the 27th.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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If GSN is on such a reality kick, I'm surprised they're not doing a Jersey Shore ripoff. I remember the GSN reality series Dream Derby. It didn't get a second season.
As for Pyramid, I'd be happy to see some form of it back, and Davies has a pretty good track record. So I'm crossing my fingers for it to see the light of day.
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If GSN is on such a reality kick, I'm surprised they're not doing a Jersey Shore ripoff.
Your sarcasm duly noted, most of us can recognize the difference between the profession-driven reality shows and the personality-driven ones. Besides, GSN has already aired a personality-driven one. Sadly, the personality driving it was Chuck Woolery.
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And then, more sadly, the personality driving it was Carnie Wilson.
Reality programming is the cheap way for cable to fill slots and hopefully fall backward into something that attracts eyeballs on repeat viewing. But I don't see how taking retreads and knockoffs of existing reality concepts is going to make GSN stand out and retain viewership. These prospective series read like cheap knockoffs, and given the majority of GSN's body of work in this genre, it's likely they'll look and sound like cheap knockoffs, too. And so, like the last crop, they'll attract 5-figure viewership and fade quickly, GSN will plug in repeats of "Whammy!" for several months, and then the process shall begin anew.
Coincidentally enough, Travel Channel started promoting their new series "Baggage Battles" today. It's "Storage Wars" with storage lockers swapped out for unclaimed luggage. So before an episode even gets shot, GSN's already doubly late to the party.
Hey, GSN, you want to attract viewers with a unique reality concept? One word: Solitary. Oh, and you might want to stop treating 6pm on Saturdays like it's the anchor slot for your premier programming.
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I'm still waiting for GSN to finally admit that they're the nichest of niche markets, abandon this reality kick altogether, and go back to what worked (at least for them). Not likely to happen, but how many more times are they gonna try this and fail at it?
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OK, I know this is a stupid idea, but how about a reality show about game shows? If they're going to do a new Pyramid, why not go behind the scenes and do a companion show about what goes on, etc. (Imagine, for an example, what a behind-the-scenes reality show on Family Feud, at the height of Dawson, might have included.) Doing a show about another show you're carrying = more exposure and maybe some crossover viewership.
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OK, I know this is a stupid idea, but how about a reality show about game shows?
Isn't this kind of what they did with Carnie's show? I know it was more about Carnie herself than about TNG, but it's the same idea.
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Bring back Burt Ludden's Love Buffet.
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Bring back Burt Ludden's Love Buffet.
I'll confess: I actually, sorta liked this show. Take a sitcom, a game show, and combine the two.
I even remember the finale. It ended with Burt Ludden (John Cervenka) getting killed in his Vegas hotel room. A clear nod to "Who Shot J.R.?"
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In the UK, shows like Take Me Out have companion chat shows delving deeper into gossip and follow ups and such. That would work for at least two GSN originals.
If GSN is so willing to rip off cable channels, why can't they rip off Challenge UK?
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OK, I know this is a stupid idea, but how about a reality show about game shows? If they're going to do a new Pyramid, why not go behind the scenes and do a companion show about what goes on, etc. (Imagine, for an example, what a behind-the-scenes reality show on Family Feud, at the height of Dawson, might have included.) Doing a show about another show you're carrying = more exposure and maybe some crossover viewership.
Hello E! True Hollywood Story.
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(Imagine, for an example, what a behind-the-scenes reality show on Family Feud, at the height of Dawson, might have included.)
Even if this were a scripted drama, I'd watch the hell out of it.
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Will any GSN Pilots videotape at Kaufman Astoria Studios in New York or Los Angeles?
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Beat the Chefs? It sounds like the really old FoodTV Network "Ready Set Cook" with hostess Sissy Bigger with a slight format change. I agree with all of the Pyramid comments. No laptops, give me COLOR for a set (enough of the goth look), show a constant score, DON'T CG THE CELEBRITIES' NAMES EVERY TIME! Yes, it better have a winner's circle with a huge pyramid and 6 categories MANUALLY turned. Keep with the $25K rules. 7 clues, 30 seconds, 7-11, Mystery7, NO DOND prize escalation. $10K,$25K and best 3 for $100K. Hell, shoot it in NY with Alan Kalter announcing.
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Will any GSN Pilots videotape at Kaufman Astoria Studios in New York or Los Angeles?
Yes.
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Cosmetic changes in general don't bother me, because I understand that shows need to look modern. I worry from some of these comments that you folks won't be satisfied unless there's orange shag carpeting on the floor. I'll tell you right now that they'll use monitors, not trilons, on the category board and at the Winner's Circle. Jeopardy doesn't use pull tabs, and Vanna doesn't actually turn letters. It's 2012. Learn to adjust your expectations.
With that out of the way, my disappointment will come if they significantly muck with the rules. For me, that includes the "6 in 20 seconds" thing, though I realize others were OK with that. If you're remaking a game because it was a good game, why are you changing the game that you recognize is already good?
And please God, find a host that can run the game, not just a famous name.
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With that out of the way, my disappointment will come if they significantly muck with the rules. For me, that includes the "6 in 20 seconds" thing, though I realize others were OK with that. If you're remaking a game because it was a good game, why are you changing the game that you recognize is already good?
My problem with the 6-in-20 is that it could've easily been made 7-in-30. Part of the problem IMO was the rotating daily guests, thus making Donny shoehorn a week's worth of plugs into one episode. To me, it was dumb to have daily celebrities anyways. Just use champions and spread things out.
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I worry from some of these comments that you folks won't be satisfied unless there's orange shag carpeting on the floor.
With the exception of toddyo's screed (which may or may not have been an attempt to get in the joke, I'm honestly not sure; the line about Alan Kalter and NY at the end was far enough out there that I'm willing to consider that maybe he's kidding too), I don't think you have much to worry about, since the rest of it (Brandon and Joe and I, anyhow) was pretty obviously parody. I love my TV too much to do anything untoward to it.
my disappointment will come if they significantly muck with the rules. For me, that includes the "6 in 20 seconds" thing,
This is absolutely a concern, and specifically this aspect, and I don't much care if other people were okay with it or not, because it materially farked with the rhythm and play of the game.
And please God, find a host that can run the game, not just a famous name.
"Your host is Chris Rock!"
/actually, I'd watch that
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I'm pretty confident that when that hit *does* come, we're all gonna look at it and say "what? that one? They tried X and Y and Z, and *this* one is the one that struck oil?"
Not to quite the degree you were talking about, but "Baggage" hit the spot for GSN.
-Jason
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Not to quite the degree you were talking about, but "Baggage" hit the spot for GSN.
Not close to the degree I'm thinking, no, but other than that you illustrate my point beautifully.
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It just hit me that this being a lower-tier network, it will probably follow the 80s CBS format for payouts, maybe a tournament, but I wouldn't be surprised if it tops out at $25K.
And you know what? I'm perfectly okay with that. I'd like to see game shows return to making a $25 or even $50K payout exciting television. It's still a year's salary for most people (or a couple years' tuition). Not everything needs to be played for one meeelion dollars. Make it intriguing and as far away from an NBC-style primetime show as possible, and you've got me.
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Make it intriguing and as far away from an NBC-style primetime show as possible, and you've got me.
I just considered the possibility of a commercial break mid-Winners' Circle and damn near threw myself out the window.
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Make it intriguing and as far away from an NBC-style primetime show as possible, and you've got me.
I just considered the possibility of a commercial break mid-Winners' Circle and damn near threw myself out the window.
"Is the top box 'Things You Cherish'?" (Show close up of contestant, then Shelley Smith, then the family members in the audience) "We'll find out after the break!"
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Seriously,I agree with Matt, but can these set designers utilize color? High definitition and it's a lot of blacks and blues - maybe it's to help illuminate the logo bug. (kidding). Keep with the rules, the format, basically the formula of the 80's Pyramid. Hey, if Jimmy Fallon can spot on mock Password, why can't GSN go for the gold, or orange or blue, and do this version correctly. Side question: are the sets from the CBS Game Show Marathon series still in mothballs? And yes, I was half kidding about Alan Kalter. If shot in LA, shoot it at Television City and say so in the open.
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Drew Carey could host Pyramid.
/just gave G-R.net an aneurism
//watch Clark Pyramid, copy the rules and gameplay
///not that hard.
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Hope they're not going to 'tweak' the game under the excuse of "well we gotta program around a jillion commercials so we have to take some liberties"
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And yes, I was half kidding about Alan Kalter.
But none of the rest of that?
If shot in LA, shoot it at Television City and say so in the open.
Oh, god.
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Drew Carey could host Pyramid.
Brian Dunkleman could host Pyramid.
Adam Ant could host Pyramid.
Dolph Ziggler could host Pyramid.
RuPaul could host Pyramid.
George W. Bush could host Pyramid.
Gordon Ramsay could host Pyramid.
O.J. Simpson could host Pyramid.
Chaz Bono could host Pyramid.
A lot of people could host Pyramid.
Drew would probably get bored with it and let his boredom show.
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Drew Carey could host Pyramid.
Brian Dunkleman could host Pyramid.
Adam Ant could host Pyramid.
Dolph Ziggler could host Pyramid.
RuPaul could host Pyramid.
George W. Bush could host Pyramid.
Gordon Ramsay could host Pyramid.
O.J. Simpson could host Pyramid. He's a little tied up until at least 2017. (http://"http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/dec/04/oj-simpsons-lawyer-request-minimum-sentence/")
;-)
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Drew Carey could host Pyramid.
Brian Dunkleman could host Pyramid.
Adam Ant could host Pyramid.
Dolph Ziggler could host Pyramid.
RuPaul could host Pyramid.
George W. Bush could host Pyramid.
Gordon Ramsay could host Pyramid.
O.J. Simpson could host Pyramid.
Chaz Bono could host Pyramid.
A lot of people could host Pyramid.
Please don't raise my hopes.
Frankly, I don't think GSN has done a terrible job picking hosts for their originals. That's the least of my worries.
/Imagine Gordon: "Cuckoo! That's an illegal clue, you *insert expletive here* moron!"
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Some people just really can't let go of grudges, I guess.
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I know that in one of their recent press releases, GSN discussed putting on one of those pawn stars/ bargain hunter type shows. Last night, I was thinking: How could they keep the idea of those shows (if they're serious about putting one on), and not stray from the formula of the network? How about using the original Price is Right format with odd/antique items? Keeping in mind that the original Price was all about auctions and not paying more for something that it's worth, it would seem like a good fit for the network. Thoughts?
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I know that in one of their recent press releases, GSN discussed putting on one of those pawn stars/ bargain hunter type shows. Last night, I was thinking: How could they keep the idea of those shows (if they're serious about putting one on), and not stray from the formula of the network?
They don't. Either the branding changes or you don't take the show. Or you resign your post because you just can't make that kind of financial decision. (Yay inside baseball.)
How about using the original Price is Right format with odd/antique items? Keeping in mind that the original Price was all about auctions and not paying more for something that it's worth, it would seem like a good fit for the network. Thoughts?
That sounds like a terrific idea. Perhaps you could get a pair of contestants, have them on for the entire episode and have them play various games about how much stuff costs. Winning the game would build up a cash prize which could be risked in the hugely dramatic final.
;)
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How about using the original Price is Right format with odd/antique items? Keeping in mind that the original Price was all about auctions and not paying more for something that it's worth, it would seem like a good fit for the network. Thoughts?
That sounds like a terrific idea. Perhaps you could get a pair of contestants, have them on for the entire episode and have them play various games about how much stuff costs. Winning the game would build up a cash prize which could be risked in the hugely dramatic final.
;)
Are you sure that would work, or are you SURE sure?
But serious, just take Cullen's PiR, but for antique items. Winner keeps the cash value of all the stuff they "win".
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Are you sure that would work, or are you SURE sure?
Beat me to it. Well played.
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I know that in one of their recent press releases, GSN discussed putting on one of those pawn stars/ bargain hunter type shows. Last night, I was thinking: How could they keep the idea of those shows (if they're serious about putting one on), and not stray from the formula of the network? How about using the original Price is Right format with odd/antique items? Keeping in mind that the original Price was all about auctions and not paying more for something that it's worth, it would seem like a good fit for the network. Thoughts?
If you go in the Dancing With People Who Have Projects to Plug thread over in the GSN board, you'll see me uncork a freight train of logic on gameshowlover87. But I'll also add this.
Let's say that there's to be a new TV network called Fuzzy Kitten Network. And let's say that the foundation of this network is $100,000 Pyramid, Curling for Loonies, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Walking/Talking Dead, South Park and Thierry Rautereu Talks With A Fransh Accent and Cooks Lamb Sausage At You, and some other stuff. Now I've presented you shows in several genres. I look at that and I say 1) "Great, where do I find this?" and 2) "I really hope it is on the Poor People Tend to Live in Clusters tier of channels, because that's what I have right now." The name of the network doesn't figure into it.
I am puzzled at how "The Learning Channel" can go from showing educational content to "How'd We Get 19 Children?" or that MTV goes from Music Television to showcasing teenage pregnancy. Even AMC changed from a movie channel to having some terrific original programming. If you tell me where the content is and don't move it around, I'll find it and be happy. I don't care what the network is called so much as what the channel number is.
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"How'd We Get 19 Children?"
Well, you see, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
...and then he loves her again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
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I need to start a fight with someone, I'm >this close to the Gordie Howe Hat Trick.
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"How'd We Get 19 Children?"
Well, you see, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
...and then he loves her again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
Easier method--Octomom twice, then a natural triple...not that anybody with a lick of intelligence would let Octomom have any more kids, let alone another 8-pack.
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Octomom meets Antonio Cromartie.
You'll have 19 in a month.
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Even AMC changed from a movie channel to having some terrific original programming.
I remember the exact moment when I realized that original intent no longer mattered for these sorts of channels. It was when AMC started showing some modern British sitcom, which was neither "A" nor "M" nor "C".
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In 1980, I remember watching the Entertainment and Sports Programming Network and wondering at what time do the entertainment shows come on. The fact was, in order to gain cable carriage, networks had to fill a niche. Once they got on, they found the niche was too small to survive. Gary Burbank once joked that the Paper View channel never got off the ground until they dropped the origami shows and started showing wrestling.
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"How'd We Get 19 Children?"
Well, you see, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
...and then he loves her again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
...and again...
Easier method--Octomom twice, then a natural triple...not that anybody with a lick of intelligence would let Octomom have any more kids, let alone another 8-pack.
Because the couple next door had 18 and there are no ties in Catch 21...
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I remember the exact moment when I realized that original intent no longer mattered for these sorts of channels. It was when AMC started showing some modern British sitcom, which was neither "A" nor "M" nor "C".
The trifecta of generic cable station programming:
- Star Trek: TNG
- Law and Order: SVU
- Wrestling
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- Star Trek: TNG
Aw! I knew I was missing something for FKN.
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I remember the exact moment when I realized that original intent no longer mattered for these sorts of channels. It was when AMC started showing some modern British sitcom, which was neither "A" nor "M" nor "C".
The trifecta of generic cable station programming:
- Star Trek: TNG
- Law and Order: SVU
- Wrestling
-Cosby Show
-Full House
Or at least that was the case a few years ago.
/Remembers when the one overexposed show was "Saved By The Bell"
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Or on a Duckman episode on USA:
"Wings, Wings, Wings, Wings, Wings and Wings will not be seen tonight..."
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I remember the exact moment when I realized that original intent no longer mattered for these sorts of channels. It was when AMC started showing some modern British sitcom, which was neither "A" nor "M" nor "C".
The Outdoor Life Network showing Arena Football.
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Am I the only one who once loved loved LOVED BBC America back in the day but now wants to scream when old reruns of US shows clog their schedule, such as ST-TNG or THE X-FILES? Why show old US programming on a channel that is supposed to showcase the best of BBC programming here in the states?
Plus I miss spending my Saturday evenings with the Kumars...sigh...
JakeT
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Am I the only one who once loved loved LOVED BBC America back in the day but now wants to scream when old reruns of US shows clog their schedule, such as ST-TNG or THE X-FILES? Why show old US programming on a channel that is supposed to showcase the best of BBC programming here in the states?
Yeah, I'd rather see Weakest Link or Pointless over either of those, or these Top Gear marathons they're airing now.
/Too much Top Gear IS a bad thing.
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Am I the only one who once loved loved LOVED BBC America back in the day but now wants to scream when old reruns of US shows clog their schedule, such as ST-TNG or THE X-FILES? Why show old US programming on a channel that is supposed to showcase the best of BBC programming here in the states?
Yeah, I'd rather see Weakest Link or Pointless over either of those, or these Top Gear marathons they're airing now.
/Too much Top Gear IS a bad thing.
I've never quite "gotten" TOP GEAR...plus there is TONS and TONS and YEARS and YEARS of incredible BBC programming that has never seen the light of day here in the US that would surely do well. Most days, BBC America more resembles SYFY or what used to be SCI-FI. At this point, if it weren't for Graham Norton or the occasional Gordon Ramsay rerun, I wouldn't bother tuning it at all.
JakeT