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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: GSWitch on November 02, 2003, 10:00:49 PM
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That's right, game show fans!
They showed a clip from Las Vegas Gambit which was on NBC! Even though Gambit was on CBS, the set was definately Las Vegas.
Looks like NBC should send them a thank you note!
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:00 PM\'] That's right, game show fans!
They showed a clip from Las Vegas Gambit which was on NBC! Even though Gambit was on CBS, the set was definately Las Vegas.
Looks like NBC should send them a thank you note! [/quote]
Are any of the original Gambit episodes even extant?
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 07:18 PM\'] Are any of the original Gambit episodes even extant? [/quote]
Well, the Museum of TV & Radio has a couple that Andy Warhol taped off the air...
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They also showed Jimmy Carter signing in on WML? - de-colorized, as if that would trick us.
*tsk tsk* :)
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:45 PM\'] They also showed Jimmy Carter signing in on WML? - de-colorized, as if that would trick us.
*tsk tsk* :) [/quote]
That's the way Carter's segment was shown on What's My Line? at 25. Maybe WML@25 was the source for the footage.
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Are any of the original Gambit episodes even extant?
Well, the Museum of TV & Radio has a couple that Andy Warhol taped off the air...
If they can find the CBS run of "The Joker's Wild", originally thought to be long-lost, they should also be able to find "Gambit".
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[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:52 PM\'][quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:45 PM\'] They also showed Jimmy Carter signing in on WML? - de-colorized, as if that would trick us.
*tsk tsk* :) [/quote]
That's the way Carter's segment was shown on What's My Line? at 25. Maybe WML@25 was the source for the footage.[/quote]
Actually, the WML@25 B&W clip was of Gerald Ford, not Jimmy Carter. Carter wasn't elected until 1976 and WML@25 ran in '75.
My problem with the Carter clip was that it came from the syndicated run, not the network era.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:18 PM\'] Are any of the original Gambit episodes even extant? [/quote]
I know there's at least one CBS promo in existence because I have a copy of it.
Here's what I want to know: where were "Password," "Tattletales" and "The $10,000 Pyramid"? How about "The $64,000 Question," one of only two game shows in history to finish the prime time season at number one?
But I shouldn't complain too much, at least they showed more game show clips than the ABC special--and last year's NBC retrospective ignored game shows completely.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 11:41 PM\']
Actually, the WML@25 B&W clip was of Gerald Ford, not Jimmy Carter. Carter wasn't elected until 1976 and WML@25 ran in '75.
My problem with the Carter clip was that it came from the syndicated run, not the network era. [/quote]
Nope. Carter was on WML when he was Governor of Georgia in the early 70s, long before he was running for President. And I remember the clip from WML@25 as that's the only place I've ever seen it.
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They also showed Martin & Lewis on WML? Isn't that episode missing from GSN's archives? I'm gonna assume they got that from the WML?@25 special, too.
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If they can find the CBS run of "The Joker's Wild", originally thought to be long-lost, they should also be able to find "Gambit".
That's specious reasoning. "Joker" reruns were found more or less accidentally, not as part of a mission. "Joker" also became a long-running, profitable franchise in syndication, which was more of an incentive to preserve the tapes (even if they were just forgotten about for many years). "Gambit" episodes are completely unattached to all of this, nevermind that, unlike "Joker," "Gambit" was run by a packaging company with a rather poor track record for preservation anyway.
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The Carter clip was also on one of the William Shatner-hosted Goodson clip shows. In May of 1975, Jimmy Carter was just a guy with an interesting job, he was not a national figure, so I'm inclined to think the WML retrospective had only Gerald Ford (as I recall that was about the only clip from the syndie), though I haven't seen the show since its first ABC network airing. As for the syndicated version being allowed to air on the CBS@75 show, well it did air on WCBS from 72-75.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:48 PM\'] Here's what I want to know: where were "Password," "Tattletales" and "The $10,000 Pyramid"? How about "The $64,000 Question," one of only two game shows in history to finish the prime time season at number one?
But I shouldn't complain too much, at least they showed more game show clips than the ABC special--and last year's NBC retrospective ignored game shows completely. [/quote]
They did show $64,000 Question! At least on the 50th anniversary honoring Television City, they had a game show section with Barker hosting.
On NBC's 75th special, Diedre Hall asked Kelsey Grammer if there would be a salute to daytime & Kelsey said no.
If I had been that Days of Our Lives star, I would've walked out of the audience on live tv in protest!
Maybe they were afraid of having Anne Robinson over!
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Well who spotted the Peter clip which was from the pilot of Rodeo Drive!!
John
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Well, the Museum of TV & Radio has a couple that Andy Warhol taped off the air...
There's also one complete episode in the trade curcuit, but I'm not sure where it originated.
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If they can find the CBS run of "The Joker's Wild", originally thought to be long-lost, they should also be able to find "Gambit".
While I hope they still exist somewhere, even if they were to find them would it do us any good? GSN probably wouldn't be interested in running them, so how would we ever see them?
Having said that, there might be hope of at least a portion of the run still being around...according to old TVGuides I have, a few stations did air repeats in the late '70s, including WPIX. Unfortunatly I missed the game show part of the special (I'd like to eventuallly see it somehow), but if they used a clip from NBC, that could mean that the NBC version still exists.
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I wonder if CBS contacted Nick Nicholson or Roger Muir when the network found the "Spin-Off" tapes? These shows should exist if only because no one reuses two inch quad tapes anymore. I'm hoping Nick was given those 65 huge blue plastic boxes of tapes and has them safely stored somewhere at his house!
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[quote name=\'jrjgames\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 07:58 AM\'] Well who spotted the Peter clip which was from the pilot of Rodeo Drive!!
John [/quote]
I spotted the clip, but didn't know it was from the Rodeo Drive pilot. They picked a very obscure show to show a clip from, I'll say that.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Nov 2 2003, 10:00 PM\'] That's right, game show fans!
They showed a clip from Las Vegas Gambit which was on NBC! Even though Gambit was on CBS, the set was definately Las Vegas.
Looks like NBC should send them a thank you note! [/quote]
That LV Gambit clip, as well as the Peter T. clip, came from the NBC Carl Reiner-hosted 1984 "Wonderful GS moments special", which featured a clip from a CBS show, namely PYL.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 09:11 AM\']
Having said that, there might be hope of at least a portion of the run still being around...according to old TVGuides I have, a few stations did air repeats in the late '70s, including WPIX. Unfortunatly I missed the game show part of the special (I'd like to eventuallly see it somehow), but if they used a clip from NBC, that could mean that the NBC version still exists. [/quote]
It is possible that whomever syndicated those Gambit reruns would still have them in a vault someplace. We know where the LV Gambit clip came from. Perhaps MGM does have some or all of either Gambit version out there, but again, would GSN be interested in airing them(but there is that upcoming Gambling cable channel, too?)
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 02:03 AM\']
If they can find the CBS run of "The Joker's Wild", originally thought to be long-lost, they should also be able to find "Gambit".
That's specious reasoning. "Joker" reruns were found more or less accidentally, not as part of a mission. "Joker" also became a long-running, profitable franchise in syndication, which was more of an incentive to preserve the tapes (even if they were just forgotten about for many years). "Gambit" episodes are completely unattached to all of this, nevermind that, unlike "Joker," "Gambit" was run by a packaging company with a rather poor track record for preservation anyway. [/quote]
Weren't those Joker Wild episodes on GSN during the daytime in 2001 the CBS ones?
Don't believe everything you here, a lot of episodes of CLASSIC game shows EXIST, GSN is too CHEAP to RUN them!
(climbs off soapbox and returns the board to normal programming already in progress :D)
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 10:56 AM\'] [quote name=\'jrjgames\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 07:58 AM\'] Well who spotted the Peter clip which was from the pilot of Rodeo Drive!!
John [/quote]
I spotted the clip, but didn't know it was from the Rodeo Drive pilot. They picked a very obscure show to show a clip from, I'll say that. [/quote]
Me neither. I thought maybe I was losing it and the PYL backdrop became solid orange for one show :D
So, I would venture to say(unless I blinked) there were no CS(Eubanks), Pyramid, or Ray Combs Feud clips?
A darn shame that those shows were forgotten by Les Moonves
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 10:20 AM\'] So, I would venture to say(unless I blinked) there were no CS(Eubanks), Pyramid, or Ray Combs Feud clips?
A darn shame that those shows were forgotten by Les Moonves
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Like Moonves had anything to do with the clips package!
And if I were Les, I'd be too busy having fun with my girlfriend, Julie Chen...not that I blame him.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 10:17 AM\']
Weren't those Joker Wild episodes on GSN during the daytime in 2001 the CBS ones?
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The clip we saw last night on the special came from January 1974, and GSN ran only September 1972-April 1973 episodes before they were sadly taken off the GSN schedule, probably due to their datedness and lack of ratings.
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And if I were Les, I'd be too busy having fun with my girlfriend, Julie Chen...not that I blame him.
So, that's how she got that job on "Big Bother"...
JOSH
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 08:17 AM\'] Don't believe everything you here, a lot of episodes of CLASSIC game shows EXIST, GSN is too CHEAP to RUN them! [/quote]
That is a flat-out idiotic comment.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 10:17 AM\'] [quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 02:03 AM\']
If they can find the CBS run of "The Joker's Wild", originally thought to be long-lost, they should also be able to find "Gambit".
That's specious reasoning. "Joker" reruns were found more or less accidentally, not as part of a mission. "Joker" also became a long-running, profitable franchise in syndication, which was more of an incentive to preserve the tapes (even if they were just forgotten about for many years). "Gambit" episodes are completely unattached to all of this, nevermind that, unlike "Joker," "Gambit" was run by a packaging company with a rather poor track record for preservation anyway. [/quote]
Weren't those Joker Wild episodes on GSN during the daytime in 2001 the CBS ones?
Don't believe everything you here, a lot of episodes of CLASSIC game shows EXIST, GSN is too CHEAP to RUN them!
(climbs off soapbox and returns the board to normal programming already in progress :D) [/quote]
No, GSN is not to cheap to air them. It is not feasable.
Cheap is a term indicating that the product is low quality--GSN is not. (Even to those of you who complain that GSN won't show Hot Potato). From an economic standpoint, the opportunity cost of airing Greed is greater than that of some 30-year old show that few people would care about.
On a side note--Didn't the Spin Off tapes show in the same vault as the CBS Jokers?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 11:36 AM\']
On a side note--Didn't the Spin Off tapes show in the same vault as the CBS Jokers? [/quote]
Yeah, both were found when WCBS did some housecleaning in 2000.
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[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 11:06 AM\']
And if I were Les, I'd be too busy having fun with my girlfriend, Julie Chen...not that I blame him.
So, that's how she got that job on "Big Brother"...[/quote]
Les was still (supposedly) happily married when she got "BB." I'm not going to conjecture any details, but he and Julie fell in love sometime thereafter. Now he's divorced, her "Early Show" and "Big Brother" gigs are very secure and they're not trying to hide anything.
I have to think, though, that if Cronkite saw that she was sharing the stage with him, Rather, Wallace, Safer and Bradley and taking a curtain call with them at the end of the CBS News package last night, he would have every right to stalk offstage in a huff.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 12:05 AM\'] Nope. Carter was on WML when he was Governor of Georgia in the early 70s, long before he was running for President. And I remember the clip from WML@25 as that's the only place I've ever seen it. [/quote]
You missed the point of what I said. I never denied he was on WML 1975 or earlier (he would've had to be). But in 1975, WML@25 didn't use the clip because in 1975, Carter was still not that well known. He was still being called "Jimmy Who?" by the media in the 1976 primaries. What I am saying is, they had no reason to use the clip in the WML@25 special.
If you find a copy of that, I am positive (unless it was inserted in a rerun performance, which I doubt) the Carter clip was not in WML@25. They opened with Gerald Ford (who was President in '75, when the special was made) in his '69 appearance when he was in Congress. One of the panelists guessed he was a Republican. It was the only syndicated clip to be used in the special and it's mentioned in Gil Fates' book. I am positive of this and will bet money on it.
The Carter clip has been on other specials, including at least one that looked back at the 1970s.
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I can't believe any of Clark's CBS Pyramids didn't make the clips. But then again, Gene Rayburn on MG was just a 2 second blip.
And on the Julie Chen comment, next thing you know, Jeff Probst will be going out with that gal from CBS Daytime programming(the one who appeared with Barker and Vinnedge on the PIR season 32 premiere) :D
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Nov 3 2003, 05:49 AM\'] They did show $64,000 Question!
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On NBC's 75th special, Diedre Hall asked Kelsey Grammer if there would be a salute to daytime & Kelsey said no.
If I had been that Days of Our Lives star, I would've walked out of the audience on live tv in protest! [/quote]
I would've sworn there was no "$64,000 Question" on that CBS special. But I went back and looked and sure enough, there was Hal March and he even uttered the phrase. Must've been looking too hard for those Revlon isolation booths, or maybe it went by too fast.
As for Deidre Hall and the NBC special, she did at least star in a prime time series on that network as well ("Our House," co-starring Wilford Brimley), so it's not like her work was completely passed over. But I always thought that gag Q&A session on the NBC special, took up way too much time that could've been used to show old B&W clips the producers obviously feared would scare away viewers. Sunday's CBS special has proven that won't happen.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' date=\'Nov 4 2003, 12:49 PM\']I would've sworn there was no "$64,000 Question" on that CBS special. But I went back and looked and sure enough, there was Hal March and he even uttered the phrase.[/quote]
Ah, but did Barker then refer to it as the "Hal March Jackpot?" There's the real test.
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[quote name=\'cweaver\' date=\'Nov 4 2003, 11:49 AM\'] But I always thought that gag Q&A session took up way too much time that could've been used to show old B&W clips the producers obviously feared would scare away viewers. Sunday's CBS special has proven that won't happen. [/quote]
Was it me, or was there a little glitch in the segment (seemed like a green screen appeared for a couple of seconds during the Jerry Lewis/Dean Martin clip)?
Just trying to make sure I'm not going totally bonkers (although it may be a bit late for that). :-D
Doug -- soon to celebrate 200 posts
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Nov 4 2003, 01:27 PM\'] Was it me, or was there a little glitch in the segment (seemed like a green screen appeared for a couple of seconds during the Jerry Lewis/Dean Martin clip)?
Just trying to make sure I'm not going totally bonkers (although it may be a bit late for that). :-D [/quote]
No Doug, you are not going bonkers, I noticed it too. It's what happens when there's a control track or other glitch during a digital tape dub. A very telling moment that hints the game show segment was possibly thrown together, hence the short shrift given "Match Game" and the complete snub of "Password," "Beat the Clock" and a few others.