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Title: 'Its Card Sharks'
Post by: The Pyramids on February 24, 2005, 06:44:43 PM
I only have one worn-looking episode of this in the collection so I will defintely be recording over it in the  spring on GSN.

However I have to ask: What is so special about the sydicated 'Card Sharks' with Bill Raferty? I have seen many, many posts asking for it in the past.

I imagine there are a lot of 'Card Shark' fans out there, so this brief, little known version has an auroa about it, plus its share of childhood memories.

I guess it is similar to  how 'Feud' diehards like me always hope to watch the relatlvely little seen return of  Richard Dawson in the Nineties again.

Am I right?
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Post by: aaron sica on February 24, 2005, 06:49:26 PM
At least for me, the specialness is because of the short time that GSN ran it on its schedule. And since the G-T shows started airing again from April 1998-on, with the notable exception of the 2001 failure, it's the only version of CS that has not aired on GSN.
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Post by: clemon79 on February 24, 2005, 06:51:56 PM
[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 04:44 PM\']However I have to ask: What is so special about the sydicated 'Card Sharks' with Bill Raferty? I have seen many, many posts asking for it in the past.
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I don't think it ran in a lot of markets. I know it was very sporadic in the San Francisco market. Ergo, a game show that we didn't see much when it was FIRST run, never MIND on GSN, makes for a popular item.

(For me, I like Card Sharks, but I think Eubanks is a grinning idiot. So to see the new Card Sharks with a competent host at the helm is refreshing.)
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Post by: BrandonFG on February 24, 2005, 06:58:52 PM
[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:44 PM\']I only have one worn-looking episode of this in the collection so I will defintely be recording over it in the  spring on GSN.

However I have to ask: What is so special about the sydicated 'Card Sharks' with Bill Raferty? I have seen many, many posts asking for it in the past.

I imagine there are a lot of 'Card Shark' fans out there, so this brief, little known version has an auroa about it, plus its share of childhood memories.
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Besides what Aaron and Chris said, I personally haven't seen this version in 18 years, and I was only 4 or so when it went off the air, so I'd love to catch up and see how Rafferty did. I guess you could call it part-curiosity, part-remininscing. :-)

For the record, I had just as much fun when I caught the Eubanks version a few yrs, ago as well. ;-)
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Post by: zachhoran on February 24, 2005, 07:20:02 PM
[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:44 PM\']

However I have to ask: What is so special about the sydicated 'Card Sharks' with Bill Raferty? I have seen many, many posts asking for it in the past.

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They had prize cards in the maingame for most of the run. Cards would appear in the player's maingame decks denoting cash or a prize. A contestant who won the match would win the prizes on whatever cards were turned over.

They started the car portion of the endgame a few weeks before Eubanks did, and the cars were a bit higher-end than the cars on Eubanks CS. Originally the car offered was a Cadillac, which when a player won one, they were forced to retire from the show. Soon after, the car became a sports car usually.
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Post by: gameshowguy2000 on February 24, 2005, 07:48:11 PM
So, does this mean the Perry and Eubanks versions are gonna stay, or are they gonna go?
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Post by: tvwxman on February 24, 2005, 07:53:50 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:51 PM\']
(For me, I like Card Sharks, but I think Eubanks is a grinning idiot. So to see the new Card Sharks with a competent host at the helm is refreshing.)
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I'm not sure this will satisfy that requirement. But, nevertheless, enjoy!
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Post by: aaron sica on February 24, 2005, 08:01:19 PM
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 07:48 PM\']So, does this mean the Perry and Eubanks versions are gonna stay, or are they gonna go?
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Post by: FeudDude on February 24, 2005, 08:08:10 PM
[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 07:48 PM\']So, does this mean the Perry and Eubanks versions are gonna stay, or are they gonna go?
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Most likely, they will remain in their current weekend slots.

Anyway I'm really looking forward to this as well, not only because I've never seen the Rafferty version before, but also because it will simply be good to have Card Sharks on weekday afternoons.
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Post by: davemackey on February 24, 2005, 08:14:41 PM
You guys are in for a treat. I was around to see the syndicated CS on Channel 7 in New York, and Rafferty was a bit of a loose cannon as a game show host, if you remember him from his days hosting "Blockbusters". He definitely brought a different edge to this version of the show. If you're of the mind that Eubanks is a little on the schmaltzy side, you will love the vinegar that Rafferty brings to the proceedings.

Lacey and Suzanna were there as well and both were gorgeous as ever.

BTW, the Ahmed thing was a Jeremy Soria reference to wrestler Ahmed Johnson, whom Jeremy thought Rafferty resembled.
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Post by: zachhoran on February 24, 2005, 08:34:53 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:14 PM\']You guys are in for a treat. I was around to see the syndicated CS on Channel 7 in New York, and Rafferty was a bit of a loose cannon as a game show host, if you remember him from his days hosting "Blockbusters". He definitely brought a different edge to this version of the show. If you're of the mind that Eubanks is a little on the schmaltzy side, you will love the vinegar that Rafferty brings to the proceedings.


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I've not seen any shows beyond the end of December 1986, as WPVI ditched Rafferty CS in its 4:30PM time slot to give Oprah her current 4-5PM WPVI time slot at that point(previous season J! reruns moved to 11AM). WABC moved Rafferty CS to the wonderful 4:30AM time slot as of 1/5/87.
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Post by: The Pyramids on February 24, 2005, 09:45:01 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:34 PM\'][quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:14 PM\']You guys are in for a treat. I was around to see the syndicated CS on Channel 7 in New York, and Rafferty was a bit of a loose cannon as a game show host, if you remember him from his days hosting "Blockbusters". He definitely brought a different edge to this version of the show. If you're of the mind that Eubanks is a little on the schmaltzy side, you will love the vinegar that Rafferty brings to the proceedings.


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I've not seen any shows beyond the end of December 1986, as WPVI ditched Rafferty CS in its 4:30PM time slot to give Oprah her current 4-5PM WPVI time slot at that point(previous season J! reruns moved to 11AM). WABC moved Rafferty CS to the wonderful 4:30AM time slot as of 1/5/87.
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I think this story is very telling about where game shows would be going in comming years.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on February 24, 2005, 09:52:45 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:53 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:51 PM\'](For me, I like Card Sharks, but I think Eubanks is a grinning idiot. So to see the new Card Sharks with a competent host at the helm is refreshing.)[/quote]I'm not sure this will satisfy that requirement. But, nevertheless, enjoy![/quote]
I always had a fondness for Rafferty as a host.  To me, he was the Jim Peck of the eighties.  Not very flashy, but efficient and workmanlike, and witty enough when he needed to be.  One of my favorite shows that it seems we never talk about is Every Second Counts, a game that really needed a talented host, especially for a bonus round that lived up to the title.
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Post by: The Ol' Guy on February 24, 2005, 10:30:34 PM
I'll join you in that. Bill made Every Second Count come across a lot better than it would have with a less witty host. That show should have had at least another year. He also made up for the less attractive format of the revived Blockbusters. If Rafferty's Card Sharks surfaces, let me know. I'd love to have a copy - I have been curious as to whether or not Rafferty and Card Sharks was a mis-match..you guys make it sound pretty good.
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Post by: dzinkin on February 24, 2005, 10:31:04 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:14 PM\']BTW, the Ahmed thing was a Jeremy Soria reference to wrestler Ahmed Johnson, whom Jeremy thought Rafferty resembled.
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Post by: aaron sica on February 24, 2005, 11:13:36 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:14 PM\']BTW, the Ahmed thing was a Jeremy Soria reference to wrestler Ahmed Johnson, whom Jeremy thought Rafferty resembled.
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Resembled in voice, not looks, as per a 1998 post in a.t.g.-s:

"Ahmed Rafferty's games were cool. (We like to call him "Ahmed" because of his
sometimes undistinguishable Brooklyn accent which makes him sound like WWF
wrestler-emeritus Ahmed Johnson.) "
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Post by: trainman on February 25, 2005, 12:24:59 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 03:51 PM\']I don't think it ran in a lot of markets. I know it was very sporadic in the San Francisco market. Ergo, a game show that we didn't see much when it was FIRST run, never MIND on GSN, makes for a popular item.
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It never ran in Tampa, and I've seen it exactly once:  someone I was at Northwestern with appeared as a Teen Week contestant, and dug up a videotape of his episode for a public showing.  (I don't think I even knew of the existence of the Rafferty CS until then.)  I might have to at least have my TiVo record it every day, just to see if they ever get around to that particular ep.
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Post by: dzinkin on February 25, 2005, 07:49:51 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:51 PM\'][quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 04:44 PM\']However I have to ask: What is so special about the sydicated 'Card Sharks' with Bill Raferty? I have seen many, many posts asking for it in the past.
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I don't think it ran in a lot of markets. I know it was very sporadic in the San Francisco market. Ergo, a game show that we didn't see much when it was FIRST run, never MIND on GSN, makes for a popular item.

(For me, I like Card Sharks, but I think Eubanks is a grinning idiot. So to see the new Card Sharks with a competent host at the helm is refreshing.)
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You would have loved it in Rochester then... we had Rafferty's run instead of the Eubanks version.  Our then-CBS affiliate pre-empted the latter but the then-NBC affiliate carried the former.
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Post by: tvwxman on February 25, 2005, 09:04:01 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 09:52 PM\'][quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 08:53 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 24 2005, 06:51 PM\'](For me, I like Card Sharks, but I think Eubanks is a grinning idiot. So to see the new Card Sharks with a competent host at the helm is refreshing.)[/quote]I'm not sure this will satisfy that requirement. But, nevertheless, enjoy![/quote]
I always had a fondness for Rafferty as a host.  To me, he was the Jim Peck of the eighties.  Not very flashy, but efficient and workmanlike, and witty enough when he needed to be.  One of my favorite shows that it seems we never talk about is Every Second Counts, a game that really needed a talented host, especially for a bonus round that lived up to the title.
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You're right. I don't think he was a terrible, "Blake Emmons/Jim Caldwell" type of host...he was rough around the edges...his accent gave him sorta a 'working man' kind of host...definitely not from the Lyn Bolen Blowdried Hair school of Emcees.

I thought he tried to be funny too often on ESC, and was just wrong for BB...this was definitely his best show.

As a quiz host, I always thought his most solid effort was the "Run For the Money" pilot he did for Grundy.
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Post by: Don Howard on February 25, 2005, 10:50:16 AM
My favorite Bill Rafferty moment came close to the end of the final edition of Blockbusters. After Rich gave the contestant plug for Classic Concentration which included a California number, Bill said, "If you want to, call collect".
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Post by: clemon79 on February 25, 2005, 11:36:25 AM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Feb 25 2005, 05:49 AM\']You would have loved it in Rochester then... we had Rafferty's run instead of the Eubanks version.  Our then-CBS affiliate pre-empted the latter but the then-NBC affiliate carried the former.
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Well, no, most of the time I'll take a grinning idiot over a crappy talk show. I just thought it was a stark contrast, watching Eubanks bumble through CS after Perry did such a superior job with it over at NBC.
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Post by: uncamark on February 25, 2005, 12:18:53 PM
In Chicago, Bill Raferty's "CS" aired the year after it was produced on WPWR in a block with "Pyramid," "Matchmaker" and another show which escapes me right now.

I always liked Raferty as a host because he *wasn't* "Mr. Game Show."  I wouldn't exactly have him doing "J!", but "CS" was a kind of show that he fit into beautifully, especially since they were going for more comedy with that incarnation, like Brucie's UK version.
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Post by: Jamey Greek on February 26, 2005, 01:41:13 AM
When I first saw Rafferty CS on GSN, I was hooked!  When I first got GSN on the Primestar in 1997.  Rafferty CS was still on the schedule, and I watched it every night, tell me, what time did Rafferty CS come on at the time? I know it was late at night, and came on after the B/W shows, man, I'd give anything, for that Killer lineup GSN had at the time!  

BTW, Did you know that the Rafferty Card Sharks came on in Orlando?  It came on WFTV Channel 9, in Fall of 1986, I may have been a baby then, but I collect TV Guides!  There was a daily Game Block consisting of J! at 4:00 Rafferty CS at 4:30 and Davidson HS at 5:00.
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Post by: Jumpondees on February 26, 2005, 02:08:07 PM
I certainly will be tuned in to watch...

I've always known of the existance of the Rafferty version through reading the "Encyclopedia", and seeing all the posts talking about it from all of the "better-versed" members of this society, and I'm curious how he did with CS.

I do remember seeing a handful of eps of him doing Blockbusters, but nothing really stood out for me to remember him...So I have no clue if I'd like him or hate him...I guess he can't be any worse than that guy who did the last "gawd-awful" incarnation of CS.
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Post by: TonicBH on February 28, 2005, 03:59:48 AM
[quote name=\'Jumpondees\' date=\'Feb 26 2005, 02:08 PM\']So I have no clue if I'd like him or hate him...I guess he can't be any worse than that guy who did the last "gawd-awful" incarnation of CS.
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I thought we had agreed to call the 2001 revival "Card Guppies" or something that doesn't resemble the original title, because it sure as hell isn't the same damn game.

Anyway, I've always wanted to see how Rafferty did Card Sharks. I always thought Perry was all game and no chit-chat, while Eubanks was the inverse of that. I hope Rafferty hits a "happy medium" or something like that.
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Post by: SplitSecond on February 28, 2005, 04:35:59 AM
This is not a knock on Jim Perry at all, but I think he was seriously miscast for Card Sharks.  When you break the show down, it's basically wild guesses on how a survey responded to humorous or intriguing questions, followed by yelling "HIGHER!" if your card was lower than an 8, yelling "LOWER!" if your card was higher than an 8, and yelling the expletive of your choice if your card was an 8.  

Jim took the game way too seriously, and as a result, the show as a whole took itself way too seriously.

I do, however, share the apparent majority opinion here on Bob Eubanks's job with the show.  Yeech.

Bill Rafferty's New York-iness may turn some people off, but I think he was a good fit for the show.  Ironically, I found him to take Blockbusters a little more seriously than his venerable predecessor, which gave that game a desperately-needed faster pace, but took out some of the fun in the process.
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Post by: CarShark on February 28, 2005, 10:47:15 AM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 04:35 AM\']This is not a knock on Jim Perry at all, but I think he was seriously miscast for Card Sharks...Jim took the game way too seriously, and as a result, the show as a whole took itself way too seriously.
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I never really got that vibe. He would talk about the audience's reactions, or a contestant's playing history, how much he disliked Jacks, and the general absurdity of some of the questions. I mean, you can only be so serious when dealing with 100 pig owners.:) My favorite part was when he would insert a humorous comment right before the reveal. The thing is, he inserts his humor so fluidly that it doesn't interrupt the flow of the game, so I can see how some say it didn't exist. Everyone knows that Eubanks had humor, because he made a point to stop the game after every question to make it known, especially with the 10 person questions.
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Post by: Don Howard on February 28, 2005, 12:19:37 PM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 03:59 AM\'][quote name=\'Jumpondees\' date=\'Feb 26 2005, 02:08 PM\']So I have no clue if I'd like him or hate him...I guess he can't be any worse than that guy who did the last "gawd-awful" incarnation of CS.
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Card Guppies!!! Pick a day, pick your rules. It's a push, it's a bust, it's a push, it's a bust. Ya never know. On Card Guppies!!!
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Post by: tvwxman on February 28, 2005, 12:46:33 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 12:19 PM\'][quote name=\'TonicBH\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 03:59 AM\'][quote name=\'Jumpondees\' date=\'Feb 26 2005, 02:08 PM\']So I have no clue if I'd like him or hate him...I guess he can't be any worse than that guy who did the last "gawd-awful" incarnation of CS.
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Card Guppies!!! Pick a day, pick your rules. It's a push, it's a bust, it's a push, it's a bust. Ya never know. On Card Guppies!!!
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Call the cards...
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Post by: GS Warehouse on February 28, 2005, 03:58:47 PM
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 12:46 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 12:19 PM\']Card Guppies!!! Pick a day, pick your rules. It's a push, it's a bust, it's a push, it's a bust. Ya never know. On Card Guppies!!!
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Call the cards...
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not have the lowest number of votes.  Don, you're out.  Just us next week on Card Guppies Poem Idol.  Seacrest...out![/RS]
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Post by: Ian Wallis on March 02, 2005, 09:20:53 AM
Hmmm...with all of these negative comments, I guess I'd better not mention that the Eubanks version was actually my favorite version of this show.

OK - I won't mention it :)
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Post by: clemon79 on March 02, 2005, 12:59:45 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 07:20 AM\']Hmmm...with all of these negative comments, I guess I'd better not mention that the Eubanks version was actually my favorite version of this show.

OK - I won't mention it :)
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Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?
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Post by: tyshaun1 on March 02, 2005, 01:33:25 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 12:59 PM\']Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?
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Hell, I used to religiously watch CS and Eubanks, but by mid '87, I began watching Classic Concentration. Now that I've seen what I've missed (and have seen Perry's version), I have changed my tune. He tried to turn that show into The Bob Eubanks Show with a game show segment.
For the life of me, I do not understand how that show ran 3 years, when it was regularly beaten out by $OTC and eventually CC (it did beat Blockbusters). And PYL drew better numbers. But I digress.......

Tyshaun
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Post by: aaron sica on March 02, 2005, 01:49:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 12:59 PM\']Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?
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As far as hosting, I like Jim Perry much better than Bob Eubanks at the CS helm. About the only thing I liked about the '80s Card Sharks is the first Car Game (find the word CAR).
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Post by: Casey Buck on March 02, 2005, 02:08:08 PM
[quote name=\'TonicBH\' date=\'Feb 28 2005, 12:59 AM\']I thought we had agreed to call the 2001 revival "Card Guppies" or something that doesn't resemble the original title, because it sure as hell isn't the same damn game.
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Post by: Card Shark on March 02, 2005, 03:24:53 PM
[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 01:33 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 12:59 PM\']Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?
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Hell, I used to religiously watch CS and Eubanks, but by mid '87, I began watching Classic Concentration. Now that I've seen what I've missed (and have seen Perry's version), I have changed my tune. He tried to turn that show into The Bob Eubanks Show with a game show segment.
For the life of me, I do not understand how that show ran 3 years, when it was regularly beaten out by $OTC and eventually CC (it did beat Blockbusters). And PYL drew better numbers. But I digress.......

Tyshaun
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I watched it, but I did so because I was a fan of the Perry version. I couldn't stand Eubanks much, but I was just happy to have one of my favorite games back on the air. I grew up in Philly and caught the syndicated version, but as Zach pointed out, it disappeared just after New Year's in 1987. So, I could only see it when I was off school for the next few years. But, Bob's comments and actions were extremely nauseating.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on March 02, 2005, 03:42:45 PM
Wonder how Jim Perry felt about competing with a show he established?
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Post by: clemon79 on March 02, 2005, 04:09:17 PM
[quote name=\'Card Shark\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 01:24 PM\']I watched it, but I did so because I was a fan of the Perry version. I couldn't stand Eubanks much, but I was just happy to have one of my favorite games back on the air.
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Let me qualify by saying I did as well...in fact, my regular videotaping schedule included Pyramid and Card Sharks most every morning. (Hindsight and all that.) It wasn't until I started watching the Eubanks ones on GSN that I realized just what a bad host (and actually, "bad" is too strong a word, especially with the Patrick Waynes and Jim Caldwells out there. How about "lame"?) I find him to be.
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Post by: SRIV94 on March 02, 2005, 04:25:55 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 02:42 PM\']Wonder how Jim Perry felt about competing with a show he established?
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He couldn't win either way.  For one year, he competed with his former show and for the next year he competed with a show his daughter worked on.

My guess is that the latter would've been a little tougher--of course, I can't speak for him.

Doug
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Post by: SplitSecond on March 02, 2005, 06:47:40 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 02:25 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 02:42 PM\']Wonder how Jim Perry felt about competing with a show he established?
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My guess is that the latter would've been a little tougher--of course, I can't speak for him.
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Post by: FeudDude on March 02, 2005, 07:38:55 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 12:59 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 07:20 AM\']Hmmm...with all of these negative comments, I guess I'd better not mention that the Eubanks version was actually my favorite version of this show.

OK - I won't mention it :)
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Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?
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I'd have to say that gameplay-wise, I prefer the Eubanks version.  The new elements they added (educated guess questions, the 10 people from the same walks of life in the audience, and the car games)  all served to enhance the show without taking away from what made the original format so engaging.  Also, I don't really mind Bob Eubanks that much - I think he was only mildly annoying at worst, and while he did get distracted from the game occasionally, I think he was still into the game and did a respectable job at keeping it going.

That said, Perry is definately the superior host, and his version also has the better set and theme music.  For those reasons, along with the fact that there was nothing wrong with the original format, I'd rate his version higher overall.
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Post by: SRIV94 on March 02, 2005, 07:49:29 PM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 05:47 PM\']He and his daughter were both working, ostensibly doing work they both enjoyed.  So long as the paychecks cleared, I'm sure they found a way to handle it.
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Point taken.  I do consider it akin to sports teams that have family members playing/coaching on opposite sides (Tiki Barber of the NY Giants and his twin brother Ronde of the Tampa Bay Bucs, to use one example).  They found a way to handle it as well (might've been tougher on other members of the family though).  Still, even though it's a job I don't know if I would feel very comfortable about competing against a family member (but that can be the nature of the beast).  More power to the Perrys for being able to pull it off successfully.

Doug
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Post by: SRIV94 on March 02, 2005, 07:57:05 PM
[quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'Mar 2 2005, 06:38 PM\']I'd have to say that gameplay-wise, I prefer the Eubanks version.  The new elements they added (educated guess questions, the 10 people from the same walks of life in the audience, and the car games)  all served to enhance the show without taking away from what made the original format so engaging.
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I preferred Perry's too, but for different reasons than you.  One game-play element of Eubanks' version that I didn't like was that contestants were very reluctant to freeze, even though there was no longer any bonus for running the board.  I can't tell you how many times someone would go on a 6, 7, 9 or 10 as the third card instead of protecting their position, of course to find that they guess wrong and give their opponent a shot (freeze, win the next question and change the awful card; seems real simple).

I recall very little of Rafferty's version, so I'll look forward to seeing if strategies were similar.

Doug
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Post by: Ian Wallis on March 03, 2005, 08:48:37 AM
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Hey, you're allowed to think it, and even say it, but be prepared to defend it. Bullard I think we all understand, but how in GOD'S name is the Eubanks version in ANY WAY superior to Perry's?


OK.  I think the Eubanks set was better - more "warm" and "cozy".
I like the theme music better.
As another poster mentioned, I like the "educated guess" and "audience" questions - it added a bit of variety to the survey format.
And I guess I always thought the $28,800 maximum payout was kind of an odd number; $32,000 sounds more reasonable.

Say what you will about Eubanks, but from a couple of the game show books out there, a couple of contestants mention that they thought he'd be real cold but he actually made them feel very comfortable on stage.
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Post by: SplitSecond on March 03, 2005, 11:30:56 AM
Was a single one of those contestant accounts from a male contestant?
Title: 'Its Card Sharks'
Post by: splinkynip on March 03, 2005, 11:35:33 AM
Thought I would put my two cents in... Interesting reading that so many of you didn't like Bob's version.  I personally thought it was great and it is currently the only show I watch regualrly on GSN.  Obnoxious?  No, just his sense of humor.  Jim Perry's run was just to dull... question, cards, question, cards etc... although it did move faster.  I thought watching the first several months from 1986 again when Bob's version returned a few years ago would be dull, but indeed, I found them quite entertaining as well...

Concerning Bill Rafferty's version for those of you who never saw it... it was great!  Bill was very funny and made a great host.  I must have seen more than 95% of the series when it originally aired, as I taped in for later viewing when it was moved to 4:30AM on WABC.  The prize cards made it a lot more fun too.  Every match had a trip offered that Bill would plug before they started.  $500 vash was another mainstay.  The rest ranged frokm the usual TV's VCR's. furniture, applaiances, etc.  Also, the first several weeks of the new format, besides Cadillacs, Corvettes, and Camaros being offered in the end game, $5,000 cash was also a prize card.  No money (that is, $100) was given to contestants for winning a game however.  I was really happy to see a few months worth of Bill's shows again in 1997 when I first got GSN and look forward to them again.  

One curious question.  Anyone know if there were any shows which never origiannly aired?  The prize/car format started airing at the end of September of 1986, the fourth week of the run (I believe with new contestants too).  However, in the summer reruns before going off the air, I remember seeing a few weeks of shows (no prizes or cars, no audience poll or educated guess) that were skipped previously.  I guess we'll see when they start rerunning.

Those are my memories....